Guest guest Posted June 22, 2010 Report Share Posted June 22, 2010 I have found allergy testing to be useful, and we have pinpointed a few food allergies that my 2 children have. However through lots of trial and error, I have discovered that my children are intolerant to pesticides, GMO foods, and other unnatural things that are in the foods. For example, soy and corn don't come up on the tests as an allergy, but my kids are both cleary intolerant to them. However, when we visit my husbands relatives in the middle of Mexico and eat the home-grown corn there, my kids don't have a problem with it. I don't think there has been much discussion regarding this in the group (?), but it could explain why our kids allergy tests come up negative when we know they react to certain foods. I follow Dr. G's guidlines, but I also need to eliminate foods high in pesticides because my kids clearly cannot tolerate them. My personal experience, Carol From: Mel J <mel.j@...> Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING nids Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2010, 4:34 AM http://www.metametrix.com/test-menu/profiles/immune-function/allergix-igg4-food-\ antibodies-90 From: lbharris@... Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 07:28:52 -0400 Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING These tests should also be available through any local lab such as Quest that does blood work. Here in Canada we do not need any specialty lab to do these typical and standard tests. Lori _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of agirlnamedsuess21 Sent: June-21-10 9:37 PM Subject: Re: ALLERGY TESTING There are several immunoglobulin tests. IgE, IgM, IgG, and IgA. You can do these yourself through Great PLains Labs. > > My son was 3 when he had the 'SKIN PRICK' test for food allergies. Results were 'NEGATIVE'. > He is now 5 yrs old and we would like to know more about the 'INTOLERANCE' testing that can be done as well. (IS IT CALLED THE IEG?). > > Also, where can a family on 'low income' get this test done? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > THANK YOU, > > Inessa & > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 Hello Mellisa & Lori, Thanks for all the info on this topic. You both seem very well educated. My wife and I on the other hand are at some what of a loss. We think we want to have our son tested for Intolerance's using the IgG4 test. Does this seem like an ok first step after getting negative results with the IgE skin prick test? If so, how would someone go about getting these tests done? Is Belgium the only place to do it? We have so many questions,we don't know where to begin. Please help if you have any of these answers. Sincerely, Inessa & From: Mel J <mel.j@...> Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING nids Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 6:05 PM hi Lori i am too interested in why Kathy says that it is reliable ok here is the explaination i got off my health care professional IgE skin prick test, which test for an immediate response by the immune system to certain foods etc IgG4 is a blood serum test done for intolerances, which can take upto 72 hours for the immune system to react. hence therefore being unnoticed or the delay in a reaction which can present in numerous ways, depending on the person, like asthma, skin rashes, ezcma etc, due to that time period people dont often associate those things with food intolerances, or the immune system display to those foods. Also what happens with the IgG4 intolerance foods, the body produces blood antigens, and its those antigens that show up in the blood serum tests. now when the body produces those antigens, the TH2 Natural killer cells go into over drive and fight the food antigens, hence the reason our kids are sick etc, because instead of fighting the viruses etc the NKS are fighting the antigens to the food IGGs. now if you are like me and have spent 43 years of eating these foods you will end up with NO th2 NK cells left, yep i have zero, so i have no defence mechanisms any more and i have to try and build up what is left of my th1 to protect myself. you can only find this out thru specific immune system panel tests. we are awaiting results from belgium for my son. also i have to mention that for example my IgG4 to caesin was that severe it hit the limit of a score of 2000, so whilst i am off the dairy it still may take 2 to 3 years for the blood antigens to reach a normal limit, thats why when you test and you have been off, just say dairy for 12 months and you still have antigens, its because it takes the body and the immune system along time to reset. but if you compare the initial results to the new ones there should be a reduction over a period of time. From: lbharris@... Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:22:35 -0400 Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING Hi Kathy, Can you elaborate on this a bit more? If the testing is done through blood serum why would it not be reliable? I do understand that skin scratch tests are not reliable for kids with an immune dysfunction simply because it is only used to detect a histamine response, thus the skin welt or reaction. However, if the immune system is not functioning, it may not necessarily produce histamine. Somehow, I always had more faith in the serum tests thinking the blood doesn't lie??? All the years you have treated your daughter for allergies, was it detected through blood results like IgE, Eosinophils, etc. or was it strictly her reaction to things such as typical watery eyes, stuffy nose, cough, exzema, etc.in addition to what we parents know is behaviour? I appreciate your input as I am REALLY trying to focus on allergies right now, again, still, for my son. Many thanks in advance, Lori _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of JOSKAT95@... Sent: June-23-10 6:13 PM Subject: Re: Re: ALLERGY TESTING These kind of allergy tests are not necessarily reliable in individuals with dysfunctional immune systems. on Re: ALLERGY TESTING There are several immunoglobulin tests. IgE, IgM, IgG, and IgA. You can do these yourself through Great PLains Labs. > > My son was 3 when he had the 'SKIN PRICK' test for food allergies. Results were 'NEGATIVE'. > He is now 5 yrs old and we would like to know more about the 'INTOLERANCE' testing that can be done as well. (IS IT CALLED THE IEG?). > > Also, where can a family on 'low income' get this test done? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > THANK YOU, > > Inessa & > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 This is a quote I pulled out of a discussion after the XMRV announcement regarding TH1 and TH2. It explain the Rnase factor as well. It is attached Bill From: Mel J <mel.j@...> Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING nids Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 9:05 PM hi Lori i am too interested in why Kathy says that it is reliable ok here is the explaination i got off my health care professional IgE skin prick test, which test for an immediate response by the immune system to certain foods etc IgG4 is a blood serum test done for intolerances, which can take upto 72 hours for the immune system to react. hence therefore being unnoticed or the delay in a reaction which can present in numerous ways, depending on the person, like asthma, skin rashes, ezcma etc, due to that time period people dont often associate those things with food intolerances, or the immune system display to those foods. Also what happens with the IgG4 intolerance foods, the body produces blood antigens, and its those antigens that show up in the blood serum tests. now when the body produces those antigens, the TH2 Natural killer cells go into over drive and fight the food antigens, hence the reason our kids are sick etc, because instead of fighting the viruses etc the NKS are fighting the antigens to the food IGGs. now if you are like me and have spent 43 years of eating these foods you will end up with NO th2 NK cells left, yep i have zero, so i have no defence mechanisms any more and i have to try and build up what is left of my th1 to protect myself. you can only find this out thru specific immune system panel tests. we are awaiting results from belgium for my son. also i have to mention that for example my IgG4 to caesin was that severe it hit the limit of a score of 2000, so whilst i am off the dairy it still may take 2 to 3 years for the blood antigens to reach a normal limit, thats why when you test and you have been off, just say dairy for 12 months and you still have antigens, its because it takes the body and the immune system along time to reset. but if you compare the initial results to the new ones there should be a reduction over a period of time. From: lbharris@... Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:22:35 -0400 Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING Hi Kathy, Can you elaborate on this a bit more? If the testing is done through blood serum why would it not be reliable? I do understand that skin scratch tests are not reliable for kids with an immune dysfunction simply because it is only used to detect a histamine response, thus the skin welt or reaction. However, if the immune system is not functioning, it may not necessarily produce histamine. Somehow, I always had more faith in the serum tests thinking the blood doesn't lie??? All the years you have treated your daughter for allergies, was it detected through blood results like IgE, Eosinophils, etc. or was it strictly her reaction to things such as typical watery eyes, stuffy nose, cough, exzema, etc.in addition to what we parents know is behaviour? I appreciate your input as I am REALLY trying to focus on allergies right now, again, still, for my son. Many thanks in advance, Lori _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of JOSKAT95@... Sent: June-23-10 6:13 PM Subject: Re: Re: ALLERGY TESTING These kind of allergy tests are not necessarily reliable in individuals with dysfunctional immune systems. on Re: ALLERGY TESTING There are several immunoglobulin tests. IgE, IgM, IgG, and IgA. You can do these yourself through Great PLains Labs. > > My son was 3 when he had the 'SKIN PRICK' test for food allergies. Results were 'NEGATIVE'. > He is now 5 yrs old and we would like to know more about the 'INTOLERANCE' testing that can be done as well. (IS IT CALLED THE IEG?). > > Also, where can a family on 'low income' get this test done? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > THANK YOU, > > Inessa & > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 hi Billthankspart of testing with De Mierlier was for the xmrv i was positive and awaiting results for my son. like i said before there is probably plenty of different medical approaches to intolerances etc, below is just the the explanation i got. De Meirlier also tested iga/igm for different virus and bacteria, like the hhv6 and 7 to name a few, i came up negative for those two mentioned, but positive for a lot of others, so it will be interesting to see what results my son has also my stool sample showed ZERO ecoli, which is a mechanic in the metabolic process of making sereotin. so as you can see there are lots of factors involved and complicated, but the IGG4 foods are definitely part of the equation. but a necessary part. like is said different health care professionals will offer different advice depending on their point of view of treatment. Prof De Meirlier is and expert in CFS immune dysfunction and has done alot of research in this area, but this is HIS way of treatment, and so far i have had huge improvements and my son on his basic protocol is making mega improvements. thanks for the read very interesting From: klimas_bill@... Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 06:39:44 -0700 Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING This is a quote I pulled out of a discussion after the XMRV announcement regarding TH1 and TH2. It explain the Rnase factor as well. It is attached Bill From: Mel J <mel.j@...> Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING nids Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 9:05 PM hi Lori i am too interested in why Kathy says that it is reliable ok here is the explaination i got off my health care professional IgE skin prick test, which test for an immediate response by the immune system to certain foods etc IgG4 is a blood serum test done for intolerances, which can take upto 72 hours for the immune system to react. hence therefore being unnoticed or the delay in a reaction which can present in numerous ways, depending on the person, like asthma, skin rashes, ezcma etc, due to that time period people dont often associate those things with food intolerances, or the immune system display to those foods. Also what happens with the IgG4 intolerance foods, the body produces blood antigens, and its those antigens that show up in the blood serum tests. now when the body produces those antigens, the TH2 Natural killer cells go into over drive and fight the food antigens, hence the reason our kids are sick etc, because instead of fighting the viruses etc the NKS are fighting the antigens to the food IGGs. now if you are like me and have spent 43 years of eating these foods you will end up with NO th2 NK cells left, yep i have zero, so i have no defence mechanisms any more and i have to try and build up what is left of my th1 to protect myself. you can only find this out thru specific immune system panel tests. we are awaiting results from belgium for my son. also i have to mention that for example my IgG4 to caesin was that severe it hit the limit of a score of 2000, so whilst i am off the dairy it still may take 2 to 3 years for the blood antigens to reach a normal limit, thats why when you test and you have been off, just say dairy for 12 months and you still have antigens, its because it takes the body and the immune system along time to reset. but if you compare the initial results to the new ones there should be a reduction over a period of time. From: lbharris@... Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:22:35 -0400 Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING Hi Kathy, Can you elaborate on this a bit more? If the testing is done through blood serum why would it not be reliable? I do understand that skin scratch tests are not reliable for kids with an immune dysfunction simply because it is only used to detect a histamine response, thus the skin welt or reaction. However, if the immune system is not functioning, it may not necessarily produce histamine. Somehow, I always had more faith in the serum tests thinking the blood doesn't lie??? All the years you have treated your daughter for allergies, was it detected through blood results like IgE, Eosinophils, etc. or was it strictly her reaction to things such as typical watery eyes, stuffy nose, cough, exzema, etc.in addition to what we parents know is behaviour? I appreciate your input as I am REALLY trying to focus on allergies right now, again, still, for my son. Many thanks in advance, Lori _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of JOSKAT95@... Sent: June-23-10 6:13 PM Subject: Re: Re: ALLERGY TESTING These kind of allergy tests are not necessarily reliable in individuals with dysfunctional immune systems. on Re: ALLERGY TESTING There are several immunoglobulin tests. IgE, IgM, IgG, and IgA. You can do these yourself through Great PLains Labs. > > My son was 3 when he had the 'SKIN PRICK' test for food allergies. Results were 'NEGATIVE'. > He is now 5 yrs old and we would like to know more about the 'INTOLERANCE' testing that can be done as well. (IS IT CALLED THE IEG?). > > Also, where can a family on 'low income' get this test done? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > THANK YOU, > > Inessa & > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 $135 last summer From: Mel J <mel.j@...> Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING nids Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 6:05 PM hi Lori i am too interested in why Kathy says that it is reliable ok here is the explaination i got off my health care professional IgE skin prick test, which test for an immediate response by the immune system to certain foods etc IgG4 is a blood serum test done for intolerances, which can take upto 72 hours for the immune system to react. hence therefore being unnoticed or the delay in a reaction which can present in numerous ways, depending on the person, like asthma, skin rashes, ezcma etc, due to that time period people dont often associate those things with food intolerances, or the immune system display to those foods. Also what happens with the IgG4 intolerance foods, the body produces blood antigens, and its those antigens that show up in the blood serum tests. now when the body produces those antigens, the TH2 Natural killer cells go into over drive and fight the food antigens, hence the reason our kids are sick etc, because instead of fighting the viruses etc the NKS are fighting the antigens to the food IGGs. now if you are like me and have spent 43 years of eating these foods you will end up with NO th2 NK cells left, yep i have zero, so i have no defence mechanisms any more and i have to try and build up what is left of my th1 to protect myself. you can only find this out thru specific immune system panel tests. we are awaiting results from belgium for my son. also i have to mention that for example my IgG4 to caesin was that severe it hit the limit of a score of 2000, so whilst i am off the dairy it still may take 2 to 3 years for the blood antigens to reach a normal limit, thats why when you test and you have been off, just say dairy for 12 months and you still have antigens, its because it takes the body and the immune system along time to reset. but if you compare the initial results to the new ones there should be a reduction over a period of time. From: lbharris@... Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:22:35 -0400 Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING Hi Kathy, Can you elaborate on this a bit more? If the testing is done through blood serum why would it not be reliable? I do understand that skin scratch tests are not reliable for kids with an immune dysfunction simply because it is only used to detect a histamine response, thus the skin welt or reaction. However, if the immune system is not functioning, it may not necessarily produce histamine. Somehow, I always had more faith in the serum tests thinking the blood doesn't lie??? All the years you have treated your daughter for allergies, was it detected through blood results like IgE, Eosinophils, etc. or was it strictly her reaction to things such as typical watery eyes, stuffy nose, cough, exzema, etc.in addition to what we parents know is behaviour? I appreciate your input as I am REALLY trying to focus on allergies right now, again, still, for my son. Many thanks in advance, Lori _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of JOSKAT95@... Sent: June-23-10 6:13 PM Subject: Re: Re: ALLERGY TESTING These kind of allergy tests are not necessarily reliable in individuals with dysfunctional immune systems. on Re: ALLERGY TESTING There are several immunoglobulin tests. IgE, IgM, IgG, and IgA. You can do these yourself through Great PLains Labs. > > My son was 3 when he had the 'SKIN PRICK' test for food allergies. Results were 'NEGATIVE'. > He is now 5 yrs old and we would like to know more about the 'INTOLERANCE' testing that can be done as well. (IS IT CALLED THE IEG?). > > Also, where can a family on 'low income' get this test done? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > THANK YOU, > > Inessa & > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 Hey Bill - I was curious about what you had attached? It didn't come over ... would you send it to me?  Thanks, ________________________________ From: Bill klimas <klimas_bill@...> Sent: Thu, June 24, 2010 8:39:44 AM Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING  This is a quote I pulled out of a discussion after the XMRV announcement regarding TH1 and TH2. It explain the Rnase factor as well. It is attached Bill From: Mel J <mel.j@...> Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING nids Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 9:05 PM hi Lori i am too interested in why Kathy says that it is reliable ok here is the explaination i got off my health care professional IgE skin prick test, which test for an immediate response by the immune system to certain foods etc IgG4 is a blood serum test done for intolerances, which can take upto 72 hours for the immune system to react. hence therefore being unnoticed or the delay in a reaction which can present in numerous ways, depending on the person, like asthma, skin rashes, ezcma etc, due to that time period people dont often associate those things with food intolerances, or the immune system display to those foods. Also what happens with the IgG4 intolerance foods, the body produces blood antigens, and its those antigens that show up in the blood serum tests. now when the body produces those antigens, the TH2 Natural killer cells go into over drive and fight the food antigens, hence the reason our kids are sick etc, because instead of fighting the viruses etc the NKS are fighting the antigens to the food IGGs. now if you are like me and have spent 43 years of eating these foods you will end up with NO th2 NK cells left, yep i have zero, so i have no defence mechanisms any more and i have to try and build up what is left of my th1 to protect myself. you can only find this out thru specific immune system panel tests. we are awaiting results from belgium for my son. also i have to mention that for example my IgG4 to caesin was that severe it hit the limit of a score of 2000, so whilst i am off the dairy it still may take 2 to 3 years for the blood antigens to reach a normal limit, thats why when you test and you have been off, just say dairy for 12 months and you still have antigens, its because it takes the body and the immune system along time to reset. but if you compare the initial results to the new ones there should be a reduction over a period of time. From: lbharris@... Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:22:35 -0400 Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING             Hi Kathy, Can you elaborate on this a bit more? If the testing is done through blood serum why would it not be reliable? I do understand that skin scratch tests are not reliable for kids with an immune dysfunction simply because it is only used to detect a histamine response, thus the skin welt or reaction. However, if the immune system is not functioning, it may not necessarily produce histamine. Somehow, I always had more faith in the serum tests thinking the blood doesn't lie??? All the years you have treated your daughter for allergies, was it detected through blood results like IgE, Eosinophils, etc. or was it strictly her reaction to things such as typical watery eyes, stuffy nose, cough, exzema, etc.in addition to what we parents know is behaviour? I appreciate your input as I am REALLY trying to focus on allergies right now, again, still, for my son. Many thanks in advance, Lori _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of JOSKAT95@... Sent: June-23-10 6:13 PM Subject: Re: Re: ALLERGY TESTING These kind of allergy tests are not necessarily reliable in individuals with dysfunctional immune systems. on Re: ALLERGY TESTING There are several immunoglobulin tests. IgE, IgM, IgG, and IgA. You can do these yourself through Great PLains Labs. > > My son was 3 when he had the 'SKIN PRICK' test for food allergies. Results were 'NEGATIVE'. > He is now 5 yrs old and we would like to know more about the 'INTOLERANCE' testing that can be done as well. (IS IT CALLED THE IEG?). > > Also, where can a family on 'low income' get this test done? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > THANK YOU, > > Inessa & > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 I don't post often but I do try to read as much as I have time for and I am confused by a few things. One why is everyone so hung up on testing for allergies? I have had my daughter tested several times, by several Immunologist, who have all informed me that my daughter is not allergic to anything. The hives all over her body should be proof enough that she is reacting to something. They have all said, " Your child does not have immune dysfunction. "  Seriously? I have seen her immune panel and she most certainly does. That being said my child reacts behaviorally to many different foods. She is not allergic she is " sensitive. "  You can do all the testing in the world and it can be negative, however, it doesn't change the fact that a child who tests negative can still be reactive to environmental triggers, food triggers, or chemical triggers. I have removed many offending foods from my child's diet that I have tested by removing and then adding into her diet and I now know which foods cause which behaviors. It was a difficult process but it has worked for us. The result is a much higher functioning child who has a smile on her face and who is enjoyable to be around. I just don't see the hype about testing it proves nothing for my child. But removing the items from her diet have proven to make a huge improvement in all areas. I want to laugh when people say that the GF CF diet is difficult. My daughter is GF/CF/corn free/soy free (to include oils and soy lecithin), preservative free and dye free. When people ask me what I feed her I tell them, real foods such as meat and vegetables and the occasional fruit. No junk, no fast food, no cookies but she is a happy little girl whose tummy no longer hurts her and she doesn't have any more rashes and she is beginning to speak at 9 years of age. The other interesting topic that I have been reading is about the OSR #1 why can't things that are food based clean out bodies of things that are unwanted? My daughter is sensitive to chemicals and so I use many auturnative cleaning products. I use vinegar, baking soda, olive oil, and lemons which are all food products but highly effective cleaners. On the flip side some medications that I have taken that are highly effective for others have nearly killed me due to damaging my liver and yet they are FDA approved, even though it is documented that the medication that caused me harm, can cause liver toxicity in some people. Why wouldn't the same be true for supplements?  Sheri From: Mel J <mel.j@...> Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING nids Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 6:05 PM hi Lori i am too interested in why Kathy says that it is reliable ok here is the explaination i got off my health care professional IgE skin prick test, which test for an immediate response by the immune system to certain foods etc IgG4 is a blood serum test done for intolerances, which can take upto 72 hours for the immune system to react. hence therefore being unnoticed or the delay in a reaction which can present in numerous ways, depending on the person, like asthma, skin rashes, ezcma etc, due to that time period people dont often associate those things with food intolerances, or the immune system display to those foods. Also what happens with the IgG4 intolerance foods, the body produces blood antigens, and its those antigens that show up in the blood serum tests. now when the body produces those antigens, the TH2 Natural killer cells go into over drive and fight the food antigens, hence the reason our kids are sick etc, because instead of fighting the viruses etc the NKS are fighting the antigens to the food IGGs. now if you are like me and have spent 43 years of eating these foods you will end up with NO th2 NK cells left, yep i have zero, so i have no defence mechanisms any more and i have to try and build up what is left of my th1 to protect myself. you can only find this out thru specific immune system panel tests. we are awaiting results from belgium for my son. also i have to mention that for example my IgG4 to caesin was that severe it hit the limit of a score of 2000, so whilst i am off the dairy it still may take 2 to 3 years for the blood antigens to reach a normal limit, thats why when you test and you have been off, just say dairy for 12 months and you still have antigens, its because it takes the body and the immune system along time to reset. but if you compare the initial results to the new ones there should be a reduction over a period of time. From: lbharris@... Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:22:35 -0400 Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING             Hi Kathy, Can you elaborate on this a bit more? If the testing is done through blood serum why would it not be reliable? I do understand that skin scratch tests are not reliable for kids with an immune dysfunction simply because it is only used to detect a histamine response, thus the skin welt or reaction. However, if the immune system is not functioning, it may not necessarily produce histamine. Somehow, I always had more faith in the serum tests thinking the blood doesn't lie??? All the years you have treated your daughter for allergies, was it detected through blood results like IgE, Eosinophils, etc. or was it strictly her reaction to things such as typical watery eyes, stuffy nose, cough, exzema, etc.in addition to what we parents know is behaviour? I appreciate your input as I am REALLY trying to focus on allergies right now, again, still, for my son. Many thanks in advance, Lori _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of JOSKAT95@... Sent: June-23-10 6:13 PM Subject: Re: Re: ALLERGY TESTING These kind of allergy tests are not necessarily reliable in individuals with dysfunctional immune systems. on Re: ALLERGY TESTING There are several immunoglobulin tests. IgE, IgM, IgG, and IgA. You can do these yourself through Great PLains Labs. > > My son was 3 when he had the 'SKIN PRICK' test for food allergies. Results were 'NEGATIVE'. > He is now 5 yrs old and we would like to know more about the 'INTOLERANCE' testing that can be done as well. (IS IT CALLED THE IEG?). > > Also, where can a family on 'low income' get this test done? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > THANK YOU, > > Inessa & > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 You are so right. It is so frustrating to me that more doctors don't know more about thus. It's a super long story, but we were literally losing my baby girl due to food intolerances. As shocking as UT sounds, I took her to 17 different doctors in two states. They either could not help, or even made things worse! Two well known pediatric GI specialists were " killing " her. It was horrific. Kristy " Sheri Brown " <eszbibb@...> wrote: >I don't post often but I do try to read as much as I have time for and I am confused by a few things. One why is everyone so hung up on testing for allergies? I have had my daughter tested several times, by several Immunologist, who have all informed me that my daughter is not allergic to anything. The hives all over her body should be proof enough that she is reacting to something. They have all said, " Your child does not have immune dysfunction. "  Seriously? I have seen her immune panel and she most certainly does. That being said my child reacts behaviorally to many different foods. She is not allergic she is " sensitive. "  You can do all the testing in the world and it can be negative, however, it doesn't change the fact that a child who tests negative can still be reactive to environmental triggers, food triggers, or chemical triggers. I have removed many offending foods from my child's diet that I have tested by removing and then > adding into her diet and I now know which foods cause which behaviors. It was a difficult process but it has worked for us. The result is a much higher functioning child who has a smile on her face and who is enjoyable to be around. I just don't see the hype about testing it proves nothing for my child. But removing the items from her diet have proven to make a huge improvement in all areas. I want to laugh when people say that the GF CF diet is difficult. My daughter is GF/CF/corn free/soy free (to include oils and soy lecithin), preservative free and dye free. When people ask me what I feed her I tell them, real foods such as meat and vegetables and the occasional fruit. No junk, no fast food, no cookies but she is a happy little girl whose tummy no longer hurts her and she doesn't have any more rashes and she is beginning to speak at 9 years of age. >The other interesting topic that I have been reading is about the OSR #1 why can't things that are food based clean out bodies of things that are unwanted? My daughter is sensitive to chemicals and so I use many auturnative cleaning products. I use vinegar, baking soda, olive oil, and lemons which are all food products but highly effective cleaners. >On the flip side some medications that I have taken that are highly effective for others have nearly killed me due to damaging my liver and yet they are FDA approved, even though it is documented that the medication that caused me harm, can cause liver toxicity in some people. Why wouldn't the same be true for supplements?  >Sheri > > > > > >From: Mel J <mel.j@...> > >Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING > >nids > >Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 6:05 PM > > > >hi Lori > >i am too interested in why Kathy says that it is reliable > >ok here is the explaination i got off my health care professional > >IgE skin prick test, which test for an immediate response by the immune system to certain foods etc > >IgG4 is a blood serum test done for intolerances, which can take upto 72 hours for the immune system to react. hence therefore being unnoticed or the delay in a reaction which can present in numerous ways, depending on the person, like asthma, skin rashes, ezcma etc, due to that time period people dont often associate those things with food intolerances, or the immune system display to those foods. > >Also what happens with the IgG4 intolerance foods, the body produces blood antigens, and its those antigens that show up in the blood serum tests. now when the body produces those antigens, the TH2 Natural killer cells go into over drive and fight the food antigens, hence the reason our kids are sick etc, because instead of fighting the viruses etc the NKS are fighting the antigens to the food IGGs. now if you are like me and have spent 43 years of eating these foods you will end up with NO th2 NK cells left, yep i have zero, so i have no defence mechanisms any more and i have to try and build up what is left of my th1 to protect myself. you can only find this out thru specific immune system panel tests. > >we are awaiting results from belgium for my son. > >also i have to mention that for example my IgG4 to caesin was that severe it hit the limit of a score of 2000, so whilst i am off the dairy it still may take 2 to 3 years for the blood antigens to reach a normal limit, thats why when you test and you have been off, just say dairy for 12 months and you still have antigens, its because it takes the body and the immune system along time to reset. but if you compare the initial results to the new ones there should be a reduction over a period of time. > > > > > > > > > >From: lbharris@... > >Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:22:35 -0400 > >Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING > > > > > > > >  > >   > >   > >   Hi Kathy, > > > >Can you elaborate on this a bit more? If the testing is done through blood > > > >serum why would it not be reliable? > > > >I do understand that skin scratch tests are not reliable for kids with an > > > >immune dysfunction simply because it is only used to detect a histamine > > > >response, thus the skin welt or reaction. However, if the immune system is > > > >not functioning, it may not necessarily produce histamine. Somehow, I > > > >always had more faith in the serum tests thinking the blood doesn't lie??? > > > >All the years you have treated your daughter for allergies, was it detected > > > >through blood results like IgE, Eosinophils, etc. or was it strictly her > > > >reaction to things such as typical watery eyes, stuffy nose, cough, exzema, > > > >etc.in addition to what we parents know is behaviour? > > > >I appreciate your input as I am REALLY trying to focus on allergies right > > > >now, again, still, for my son. > > > >Many thanks in advance, > > > >Lori > > > >_____ > > > >From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of > > > >JOSKAT95@... > > > >Sent: June-23-10 6:13 PM > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Re: ALLERGY TESTING > > > >These kind of allergy tests are not necessarily reliable in individuals with > > > >dysfunctional immune systems. > > > > on > > > > Re: ALLERGY TESTING > > > >There are several immunoglobulin tests. IgE, IgM, IgG, and IgA. > > > >You can do these yourself through Great PLains Labs. > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> My son was 3 when he had the 'SKIN PRICK' test for food allergies. Results > > > >were 'NEGATIVE'. > > > >> He is now 5 yrs old and we would like to know more about the 'INTOLERANCE' > > > >testing that can be done as well. (IS IT CALLED THE IEG?). > > > >> > > > >> Also, where can a family on 'low income' get this test done? > > > >> > > > >> Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > > >> > > > >> THANK YOU, > > > >> > > > >> Inessa & > > > >> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 hi i don't know about what the general thought is in the states, but here in oz, i took my son to a gastro specialist, we did the IGE skin prick test, which showed nothing, i showed her the 140 food group IgG4 panel, which shows intolerances, she told me it was a waste of time and that IgG4s were not a proven or recognised thing blah blah blah blah, and neither was fructose malasorption, yet since being of all these relevant foods my son and myself have made huge progess, i now see a cfs specialist and another dr from beligum who researches and specialises in cfs and that is the first thing they test is the IGGs and for fructose and lactose malasoprtion. i think that the anything new and out of the ordinary, normal western medical science does not want to take it on or it takes a very long time for it to filter thru, as things have to be SCIENCTIFICALLY PROVEN etc etc From: knardini@... Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 13:09:50 -0700 Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING You are so right. It is so frustrating to me that more doctors don't know more about thus. It's a super long story, but we were literally losing my baby girl due to food intolerances. As shocking as UT sounds, I took her to 17 different doctors in two states. They either could not help, or even made things worse! Two well known pediatric GI specialists were " killing " her. It was horrific. Kristy " Sheri Brown " <eszbibb@...> wrote: >I don't post often but I do try to read as much as I have time for and I am confused by a few things. One why is everyone so hung up on testing for allergies? I have had my daughter tested several times, by several Immunologist, who have all informed me that my daughter is not allergic to anything. The hives all over her body should be proof enough that she is reacting to something. They have all said, " Your child does not have immune dysfunction. " Seriously? I have seen her immune panel and she most certainly does. That being said my child reacts behaviorally to many different foods. She is not allergic she is " sensitive. " You can do all the testing in the world and it can be negative, however, it doesn't change the fact that a child who tests negative can still be reactive to environmental triggers, food triggers, or chemical triggers. I have removed many offending foods from my child's diet that I have tested by removing and then > adding into her diet and I now know which foods cause which behaviors. It was a difficult process but it has worked for us. The result is a much higher functioning child who has a smile on her face and who is enjoyable to be around. I just don't see the hype about testing it proves nothing for my child. But removing the items from her diet have proven to make a huge improvement in all areas. I want to laugh when people say that the GF CF diet is difficult. My daughter is GF/CF/corn free/soy free (to include oils and soy lecithin), preservative free and dye free. When people ask me what I feed her I tell them, real foods such as meat and vegetables and the occasional fruit. No junk, no fast food, no cookies but she is a happy little girl whose tummy no longer hurts her and she doesn't have any more rashes and she is beginning to speak at 9 years of age. >The other interesting topic that I have been reading is about the OSR #1 why can't things that are food based clean out bodies of things that are unwanted? My daughter is sensitive to chemicals and so I use many auturnative cleaning products. I use vinegar, baking soda, olive oil, and lemons which are all food products but highly effective cleaners. >On the flip side some medications that I have taken that are highly effective for others have nearly killed me due to damaging my liver and yet they are FDA approved, even though it is documented that the medication that caused me harm, can cause liver toxicity in some people. Why wouldn't the same be true for supplements? >Sheri > > > > > >From: Mel J <mel.j@...> > >Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING > >nids > >Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 6:05 PM > > > >hi Lori > >i am too interested in why Kathy says that it is reliable > >ok here is the explaination i got off my health care professional > >IgE skin prick test, which test for an immediate response by the immune system to certain foods etc > >IgG4 is a blood serum test done for intolerances, which can take upto 72 hours for the immune system to react. hence therefore being unnoticed or the delay in a reaction which can present in numerous ways, depending on the person, like asthma, skin rashes, ezcma etc, due to that time period people dont often associate those things with food intolerances, or the immune system display to those foods. > >Also what happens with the IgG4 intolerance foods, the body produces blood antigens, and its those antigens that show up in the blood serum tests. now when the body produces those antigens, the TH2 Natural killer cells go into over drive and fight the food antigens, hence the reason our kids are sick etc, because instead of fighting the viruses etc the NKS are fighting the antigens to the food IGGs. now if you are like me and have spent 43 years of eating these foods you will end up with NO th2 NK cells left, yep i have zero, so i have no defence mechanisms any more and i have to try and build up what is left of my th1 to protect myself. you can only find this out thru specific immune system panel tests. > >we are awaiting results from belgium for my son. > >also i have to mention that for example my IgG4 to caesin was that severe it hit the limit of a score of 2000, so whilst i am off the dairy it still may take 2 to 3 years for the blood antigens to reach a normal limit, thats why when you test and you have been off, just say dairy for 12 months and you still have antigens, its because it takes the body and the immune system along time to reset. but if you compare the initial results to the new ones there should be a reduction over a period of time. > > > > > > > > > >From: lbharris@... > >Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:22:35 -0400 > >Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kathy, > > > >Can you elaborate on this a bit more? If the testing is done through blood > > > >serum why would it not be reliable? > > > >I do understand that skin scratch tests are not reliable for kids with an > > > >immune dysfunction simply because it is only used to detect a histamine > > > >response, thus the skin welt or reaction. However, if the immune system is > > > >not functioning, it may not necessarily produce histamine. Somehow, I > > > >always had more faith in the serum tests thinking the blood doesn't lie??? > > > >All the years you have treated your daughter for allergies, was it detected > > > >through blood results like IgE, Eosinophils, etc. or was it strictly her > > > >reaction to things such as typical watery eyes, stuffy nose, cough, exzema, > > > >etc.in addition to what we parents know is behaviour? > > > >I appreciate your input as I am REALLY trying to focus on allergies right > > > >now, again, still, for my son. > > > >Many thanks in advance, > > > >Lori > > > >_____ > > > >From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of > > > >JOSKAT95@... > > > >Sent: June-23-10 6:13 PM > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Re: ALLERGY TESTING > > > >These kind of allergy tests are not necessarily reliable in individuals with > > > >dysfunctional immune systems. > > > > on > > > > Re: ALLERGY TESTING > > > >There are several immunoglobulin tests. IgE, IgM, IgG, and IgA. > > > >You can do these yourself through Great PLains Labs. > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> My son was 3 when he had the 'SKIN PRICK' test for food allergies. Results > > > >were 'NEGATIVE'. > > > >> He is now 5 yrs old and we would like to know more about the 'INTOLERANCE' > > > >testing that can be done as well. (IS IT CALLED THE IEG?). > > > >> > > > >> Also, where can a family on 'low income' get this test done? > > > >> > > > >> Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > > >> > > > >> THANK YOU, > > > >> > > > >> Inessa & > > > >> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2010 Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 Well it hasn't been scientifically proven that autism *is* a psychiatric disorder either. The ASA just said hey we need to expand the criteria because there are a lot of kids with just some of this. Where are the studies that say that this inclusion was the same? ________________________________ From: Mel J <mel.j@...> nids Sent: Tue, June 29, 2010 4:51:57 PM Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING hi i don't know about what the general thought is in the states, but here in oz, i took my son to a gastro specialist, we did the IGE skin prick test, which showed nothing, i showed her the 140 food group IgG4 panel, which shows intolerances, she told me it was a waste of time and that IgG4s were not a proven or recognised thing blah blah blah blah, and neither was fructose malasorption, yet since being of all these relevant foods my son and myself have made huge progess, i now see a cfs specialist and another dr from beligum who researches and specialises in cfs and that is the first thing they test is the IGGs and for fructose and lactose malasoprtion. i think that the anything new and out of the ordinary, normal western medical science does not want to take it on or it takes a very long time for it to filter thru, as things have to be SCIENCTIFICALLY PROVEN etc etc From: knardini@... Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 13:09:50 -0700 Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING You are so right. It is so frustrating to me that more doctors don't know more about thus. It's a super long story, but we were literally losing my baby girl due to food intolerances. As shocking as UT sounds, I took her to 17 different doctors in two states. They either could not help, or even made things worse! Two well known pediatric GI specialists were " killing " her. It was horrific. Kristy " Sheri Brown " <eszbibb@...> wrote: >I don't post often but I do try to read as much as I have time for and I am confused by a few things. One why is everyone so hung up on testing for allergies? I have had my daughter tested several times, by several Immunologist, who have all informed me that my daughter is not allergic to anything. The hives all over her body should be proof enough that she is reacting to something. They have all said, " Your child does not have immune dysfunction. " Seriously? I have seen her immune panel and she most certainly does. That being said my child reacts behaviorally to many different foods. She is not allergic she is " sensitive. " You can do all the testing in the world and it can be negative, however, it doesn't change the fact that a child who tests negative can still be reactive to environmental triggers, food triggers, or chemical triggers. I have removed many offending foods from my child's diet that I have tested by removing and then > adding into her diet and I now know which foods cause which behaviors. It was a difficult process but it has worked for us. The result is a much higher functioning child who has a smile on her face and who is enjoyable to be around. I just don't see the hype about testing it proves nothing for my child. But removing the items from her diet have proven to make a huge improvement in all areas. I want to laugh when people say that the GF CF diet is difficult. My daughter is GF/CF/corn free/soy free (to include oils and soy lecithin), preservative free and dye free. When people ask me what I feed her I tell them, real foods such as meat and vegetables and the occasional fruit. No junk, no fast food, no cookies but she is a happy little girl whose tummy no longer hurts her and she doesn't have any more rashes and she is beginning to speak at 9 years of age. >The other interesting topic that I have been reading is about the OSR #1 why can't things that are food based clean out bodies of things that are unwanted? My daughter is sensitive to chemicals and so I use many auturnative cleaning products. I use vinegar, baking soda, olive oil, and lemons which are all food products but highly effective cleaners. >On the flip side some medications that I have taken that are highly effective for others have nearly killed me due to damaging my liver and yet they are FDA approved, even though it is documented that the medication that caused me harm, can cause liver toxicity in some people. Why wouldn't the same be true for supplements? >Sheri > > > > > >From: Mel J <mel.j@...> > >Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING > >nids > >Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 6:05 PM > > > >hi Lori > >i am too interested in why Kathy says that it is reliable > >ok here is the explaination i got off my health care professional > >IgE skin prick test, which test for an immediate response by the immune system to certain foods etc > >IgG4 is a blood serum test done for intolerances, which can take upto 72 hours for the immune system to react. hence therefore being unnoticed or the delay in a reaction which can present in numerous ways, depending on the person, like asthma, skin rashes, ezcma etc, due to that time period people dont often associate those things with food intolerances, or the immune system display to those foods. > >Also what happens with the IgG4 intolerance foods, the body produces blood antigens, and its those antigens that show up in the blood serum tests. now when the body produces those antigens, the TH2 Natural killer cells go into over drive and fight the food antigens, hence the reason our kids are sick etc, because instead of fighting the viruses etc the NKS are fighting the antigens to the food IGGs. now if you are like me and have spent 43 years of eating these foods you will end up with NO th2 NK cells left, yep i have zero, so i have no defence mechanisms any more and i have to try and build up what is left of my th1 to protect myself. you can only find this out thru specific immune system panel tests. > >we are awaiting results from belgium for my son. > >also i have to mention that for example my IgG4 to caesin was that severe it hit the limit of a score of 2000, so whilst i am off the dairy it still may take 2 to 3 years for the blood antigens to reach a normal limit, thats why when you test and you have been off, just say dairy for 12 months and you still have antigens, its because it takes the body and the immune system along time to reset. but if you compare the initial results to the new ones there should be a reduction over a period of time. > > > > > > > > > >From: lbharris@... > >Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:22:35 -0400 > >Subject: RE: Re: ALLERGY TESTING > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kathy, > > > >Can you elaborate on this a bit more? If the testing is done through blood > > > >serum why would it not be reliable? > > > >I do understand that skin scratch tests are not reliable for kids with an > > > >immune dysfunction simply because it is only used to detect a histamine > > > >response, thus the skin welt or reaction. However, if the immune system is > > > >not functioning, it may not necessarily produce histamine. Somehow, I > > > >always had more faith in the serum tests thinking the blood doesn't lie??? > > > >All the years you have treated your daughter for allergies, was it detected > > > >through blood results like IgE, Eosinophils, etc. or was it strictly her > > > >reaction to things such as typical watery eyes, stuffy nose, cough, exzema, > > > >etc.in addition to what we parents know is behaviour? > > > >I appreciate your input as I am REALLY trying to focus on allergies right > > > >now, again, still, for my son. > > > >Many thanks in advance, > > > >Lori > > > >_____ > > > >From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of > > > >JOSKAT95@... > > > >Sent: June-23-10 6:13 PM > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Re: ALLERGY TESTING > > > >These kind of allergy tests are not necessarily reliable in individuals with > > > >dysfunctional immune systems. > > > > on > > > > Re: ALLERGY TESTING > > > >There are several immunoglobulin tests. IgE, IgM, IgG, and IgA. > > > >You can do these yourself through Great PLains Labs. > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> My son was 3 when he had the 'SKIN PRICK' test for food allergies. Results > > > >were 'NEGATIVE'. > > > >> He is now 5 yrs old and we would like to know more about the 'INTOLERANCE' > > > >testing that can be done as well. (IS IT CALLED THE IEG?). > > > >> > > > >> Also, where can a family on 'low income' get this test done? > > > >> > > > >> Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > > >> > > > >> THANK YOU, > > > >> > > > >> Inessa & > > > >> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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