Guest guest Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 Hi Pam, I send out kefir grains for $5 by Priority Mail when I'm in the States. It takes 2 days. Of course it doesn't matter during the winter since it's cooler..... I wouldn't be so concered with what the grains were fermented in. It doesn't damage them to put them in store-bought milk. I'm rural too, but live in Canada, where the Govmint feels that raw milk is dangerous to our health and " protects " us from ourselves. I live right next door to a farm, but the farmer will not sell me any milk because he could be fined heavily and even thrown in jail! Grrr boo hiss! I've found a friendly goat lady who sells me raw goat milk, but she lives an hour away and hubby gets on my case about driving so far. So, I get my goat lady to freeze the milk for me, and buy it in bulk once in a while. To be honest, the goat milk tastes " funny " and is thinner than cow milk. I use supermarket whole milk, and it tastes great and the grains thrive. I've also used raw cow milk in the past, and it was wonderful to have CREAMY milk :-) I've even used UHT milk (for some reason the grains do very well on that, supposedly because they don't have to compete with any other micro-organisms. It tasted remarkably good). So you could say that my grains are very versatile! It's good that you plan to do some reading before getting your grains. There's a ton of info on Dom's site! Make sure that you always use glass jars for kefir. The acid can leach bad stuff out of plastic containers. I have mason jars, but in a pinch I use old mayo or pickel jars (well washed of course) - anything quart-sized (with a lid) will do. Yes, the acid is not good for your teeth, but all you need to do is swill out your mouth with water to take care of it. Funny about you cutting up the container to lick out the thick kefir that's stuck to the sides. Around here, that's the job for my two labradorables :-) Cheers, and the K9's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 You can get raw milk here.... http://www.mercola.com/forms/organic_pastures.htm It's not cheap (I pay $5/gallon here, as opposed to Mercola's $5/half-gallon), but it's available. Sharyn From: Pee Tee [mailto:peetee1965@...] I am sooo disappointed tho that the only milk availabale to me is pasturized, --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 7/22/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 , O.k. so store bought milk is o.k., I will buy organic (what's another penny pinching expense??) Dom seems to be a cook... I know nothing about the website (i think you mention). >>>>>>I'm rural too, but > live in Canada, where the Govmint feels that raw milk is dangerous to our > health and " protects " us from ourselves.<<<<<<<<< (grrr booo Hiss) NO KIDDING!! Our goverment is nothing short of an OXY MORON. I can't help but go against my 'grains' to think that I could get these organic hormone free grains and place them in storebought hormone laden milk and that won't change there genetic structure thereforth leaving them open to rampant cancer, poluted organism sucking pollution LOL> Just tell me that if one day our beloved caring goverment decides raw milk is a consumable storebought item that my beloved kefir grains can be converted back to pure creamy thick kefir I will know that my 'nomiman' investment in my new kids will not be in vein. BTW= My quart jars are READY for production!! Pam and Mr. Henry Weinhard's =============================================== ----------------------------------------------------------- > Hi Pam, > > I send out kefir grains for $5 by Priority Mail when I'm in the States. It > takes 2 days. Of course it doesn't matter during the winter since it's > cooler..... > > I wouldn't be so concered with what the grains were fermented in. It > doesn't damage them to put them in store-bought milk. I'm rural too, but > live in Canada, where the Govmint feels that raw milk is dangerous to our > health and " protects " us from ourselves. I live right next door to a farm, > but the farmer will not sell me any milk because he could be fined heavily > and even thrown in jail! Grrr boo hiss! I've found a friendly goat lady > who sells me raw goat milk, but she lives an hour away and hubby gets on my > case about driving so far. So, I get my goat lady to freeze the milk for > me, and buy it in bulk once in a while. > > To be honest, the goat milk tastes " funny " and is thinner than cow milk. I > use supermarket whole milk, and it tastes great and the grains thrive. > I've also used raw cow milk in the past, and it was wonderful to have CREAMY > milk :-) I've even used UHT milk (for some reason the grains do very well > on that, supposedly because they don't have to compete with any other > micro-organisms. It tasted remarkably good). So you could say that my > grains are very versatile! > > It's good that you plan to do some reading before getting your grains. > There's a ton of info on Dom's site! Make sure that you always use glass > jars for kefir. The acid can leach bad stuff out of plastic containers. I > have mason jars, but in a pinch I use old mayo or pickel jars (well washed > of course) - anything quart-sized (with a lid) will do. > > Yes, the acid is not good for your teeth, but all you need to do is swill > out your mouth with water to take care of it. > > Funny about you cutting up the container to lick out the thick kefir that's > stuck to the sides. Around here, that's the job for my two labradorables > :-) > > Cheers, > and the K9's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 Hi , If your goat's milk tastes funny, then there is something wrong because it is delicious. Some of the ways it might taste off is, if it wasn't cleanly handled, exposed to sunlight or fluorescent lights, not chilled down soon enough, not frozen soon enough, cobalt deficient doe, sub clinical mastitis in the doe, the kind of feed or not waiting long enough after exposure to some weeds and a few more I've forgotten. Side by side, the cow's milk will taste bitter compared to the goat's milk and definitely, no funny off taste at all in the goat's milk. Anyone who tastes goat's milk for the first time is always surprised at how good it tastes. My sister's husband was the most opinionated person you would ever meet and he absolutely refused to taste it. So, my sister replaced the cow's milk in the container with goat's milk and at the meal, mentioned goat's milk again. Her husband said he could tell the difference and to never try to fool him! No comment when we fessed up. Baugh ************* Pugh <gramlin@...> wrote: To be honest, the goat milk tastes " funny " and is thinner than cow milk. I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 WHAT ? NO WAY ? I'm a Mercola 'follower' That sounds like way tooo much expense to get a weekly supply of milk to support my kefir habbit. Not that that is the way to goooooo>>>>> .....But it's good to know, I'll have to look into Mr. Mercola's Milk. Unfortunately kinda outa the question for me tho....DARN. Once I win that darn lottery and hire that assistant to do all my internet ordering w/ my internet account will that become a reality. (all in good humor Sharyn) P.S. I love MR. MERCOLA and the fact that he is able to ship his version of 'pure' milk to folks like me. Unfortunately the only thing of his I can afford is his knowledge. Pam ------------------------------------------ > You can get raw milk here.... > HYPERLINK > " http://www.mercola.com/forms/organic_pastures.htm'>http://www.mercola.com/forms/organic_pastures.htm " http://www.merco la.com/fo > rms/organic_pastures.htm > > It's not cheap (I pay $5/gallon here, as opposed to Mercola's > $5/half-gallon), but it's available. > > Sharyn > > _____ > > From: Pee Tee [mailto:peetee1965@h...] > > > I am sooo disappointed tho that the only milk availabale to me is > pasturized, > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 7/22/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 Pam, Go for it, spare the expense and buy the organic milk if it makes you feel good :-) Dom (from the kefir site) is a cook, and dabbles in a lot of things like cheesemaking and other healthy endeavours. Here's the website for anyone who is interested http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html Don't worry about the grains, they've made it down through the centuries and are robust little critters and will adapt. As long as you give them something containing lactose they will be happy. Kefir cheers to Henry when you see him next! and the K9's ----- > O.k. so store bought milk is o.k., I will buy organic (what's another penny pinching expense??) Dom seems to be a cook... I know nothing about the website (i think you mention). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 Thanks to and Suzanne for comments on the taste of goats milk. The first time I bought it I thought it tasted really goaty. The second batch tasted better because I asked her not to pasturize it. She does not keep a billy in with the goats (I've checked) and she waits 10 days or whatever it is after treating for mastitis before she will let me have any milk. Ditto for worming. I keep hearing people say that it tastes just like cows milk - but mine doesn't. I have to admit that I am not drinking the milk, but kefiring it first and then drinking it, but that shouldn't make a difference. Maybe it's the freezing and thawing that cause the problem. I try to use it as fast as possible, and only thaw it out in the fridge. It still has ice in it when I use it. Maybe it wasn't cleanly handled :-( Thanks, and the K9's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 Oh ha ha! You're deluged with offers of grains - you're lucky! I would get them from whoever is the closest (assuming that you can go and pick them up). If you have to get them through the mail, you can be more picky if you want to. If you're really that spooked about getting " nasties " with your grains, you could always wash them in non-chlorinated water or milk after you get them. Just tell whoever you do not chose that someone already offered you some. Don't panic! and the K9's >I've had 3 offers from folks so far. What should I use to determine who to get them thru? Location? ( freshness) Origin ? (organic in nature) Yikes what do I do ? don't want to hurt anyones feelings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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