Bruising

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Dear Diane, The group here told me to take vitamin K, which I did,

and it is holding mine at bay. Good luck to you!

Diane wrote:

From: "Diane" <abarron@...>

could somebody please repeat what supplements to

take to help blue-black skin discoloration? thanks!! Diane

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Diane,

Vitamin K helped me. I think vitamin C with bioflavonoids was also

mentioned.

I hope this helps,

Ute

could somebody please repeat what

supplements to take to help blue-black skin discoloration?

 

thanks!!

 

Diane

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Ute, what strenght and how many bioflavonoids and Vitamin K do you take and

how often? I am taking them also,but am playing a guessing game as to

amounts.

Skippy

rheumatic bruising

> I was going to ask about bruising also. I bruise very easily. I figured it

> was the discoloration we were talking about as side effect of the Mino. I

> take vitamin C with bioflavonoids and vitamin K as Dr. Chiu used to

> recommend and those bruises go away. Now I am wondering if the supplements

> might be the cause.

> Take care,

> Ute

>

>

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If I'm not mistaken, isn't bruising easily one of the symptoms of mercury

poisoning or copper toxicity?

JMC

In a message dated 4/23/2003 8:48:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

pam.weiner@... writes:

> I have noticed that my son has a large number of bruises on his

> legs. I had not noticed this before. I am wondering if chelation

> can make my son more suceptible to bruising. Are there supplements

> that I should be adding that may help him with the bruising? I tried

> to look in the archives for info. on this. I could not find anything.

> My son had a CBC done in Feb. that was normal.

>

> My son is very high functioning and according to him he has no idea

> how it happened. As I am writing this I can hear him tell my husband

> not to worry about it because it is only bruising. He is not self-

> abusive.

>

> thank you

> Pam

[Guest guest]

Feed him some vitamin K, or green tea, or green tea extract. Vitamin

K is made by intestinal microorganisms which may not be present in

adequate numbers in toxic people with dysbiosis.

Andy

> If I'm not mistaken, isn't bruising easily one of the symptoms of

mercury

> poisoning or copper toxicity?

> JMC

>

>

> In a message dated 4/23/2003 8:48:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> pam.weiner@v... writes:

>

> > I have noticed that my son has a large number of bruises on his

> > legs. I had not noticed this before. I am wondering if chelation

> > can make my son more suceptible to bruising. Are there

supplements

> > that I should be adding that may help him with the bruising? I

tried

> > to look in the archives for info. on this. I could not find

anything.

> > My son had a CBC done in Feb. that was normal.

> >

> > My son is very high functioning and according to him he has no

idea

> > how it happened. As I am writing this I can hear him tell my

husband

> > not to worry about it because it is only bruising. He is not

self-

> > abusive.

> >

> > thank you

> > Pam

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

[Guest guest]

My daughter has the same bruising issue. Almost looks like she continually walks

into everything.

KAryn

Re: [ ] bruising

If I'm not mistaken, isn't bruising easily one of the symptoms of mercury

poisoning or copper toxicity?

JMC

In a message dated 4/23/2003 8:48:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

pam.weiner@... writes:

> I have noticed that my son has a large number of bruises on his

> legs. I had not noticed this before. I am wondering if chelation

> can make my son more suceptible to bruising. Are there supplements

> that I should be adding that may help him with the bruising? I tried

> to look in the archives for info. on this. I could not find anything.

> My son had a CBC done in Feb. that was normal.

>

> My son is very high functioning and according to him he has no idea

> how it happened. As I am writing this I can hear him tell my husband

> not to worry about it because it is only bruising. He is not self-

> abusive.

>

> thank you

> Pam

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Andy -

My daughter has the same problem, about how much Vitamin K would a 28 pounder

need?

Karyn

[ ] Re: bruising

Feed him some vitamin K, or green tea, or green tea extract. Vitamin

K is made by intestinal microorganisms which may not be present in

adequate numbers in toxic people with dysbiosis.

Andy

> If I'm not mistaken, isn't bruising easily one of the symptoms of

mercury

> poisoning or copper toxicity?

> JMC

>

>

> In a message dated 4/23/2003 8:48:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> pam.weiner@v... writes:

>

> > I have noticed that my son has a large number of bruises on his

> > legs. I had not noticed this before. I am wondering if chelation

> > can make my son more suceptible to bruising. Are there

supplements

> > that I should be adding that may help him with the bruising? I

tried

> > to look in the archives for info. on this. I could not find

anything.

> > My son had a CBC done in Feb. that was normal.

> >

> > My son is very high functioning and according to him he has no

idea

> > how it happened. As I am writing this I can hear him tell my

husband

> > not to worry about it because it is only bruising. He is not

self-

> > abusive.

> >

> > thank you

> > Pam

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

[Guest guest]

--- In , " apjj09cscom " <pam.weiner@v...>

wrote:

> I have noticed that my son has a large number of bruises on his

> legs. I had not noticed this before. I am wondering if chelation

> can make my son more suceptible to bruising. Are there supplements

> that I should be adding that may help him with the bruising?

A loooooong time ago, my pharmacist told me to take more vitamin C.

Dana

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--- In , " Karyn " <klmitch@c...>

wrote:

> My daughter has the same bruising issue. Almost looks like she

continually walks into everything.

>

> KAryn

Increased vitamin C may also reduce bruising.

Moria

[Guest guest]

Vit K can be helpful.

Jill G.

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathe,

The bruising was one of the symptoms my doctor told me is a marker

for Dercum's, so maybe it goes along with RA? THe ortho had thought

it was due to the Bextra I was taking, but I had only taken it a few

days before my " first " fall. Last Sunday a lady at church grabbed my

arm (why does it suddenly seem there are so many arm grabbers?) and

left a lovely purple bruise within minutes.

Take care, and treat yourself gently!

Hugs,

Judi

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According to what I read on MTX, abnormal bruising should be reported to

your doctor. Have you had blood test recently?

http://www.wholehealthmd.com/refshelf/drugs_view/1,1524,403,00.html

a

> Hi a:

>

> Yes, I am still taking Mtx at 15 mg. weekly, but have

> gone back to Motrin from the Bextra. I know the Mtx

> can cause the fragile skin I now have, but this

> bruising stuff is too much.

>

> Kathe in CA

>

> --- a <paula54@...> wrote:

>> Kate,

>> Are you still on MTX and Bextra?

>> a

>>

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Kathe,

Although prednisone is notorious for causing fragile skin and bruising, I'm

not sure you're still taking it. Your other meds - Motrin, Effexor, and

methotrexate - can also cause bruising and bleeding. It could be a

combination of the meds. It's important to let your doctor know that this is

occurring so that she can determine the reason and make sure it's not

anything too serious (she may want to check your blood counts).

[ ] Bruising

> Hi guys:

>

> I have a new one for you, at least new to me lol.

> Since beginning these lovely RA meds, I have had more

> fragile skin. I notice it the most when I am feeding

> my horses and the hay will poke into my arms and

> hands, sometimes drawing blood, but also at times just

> leaving what is kind of like a blood blister where you

> can see the blood under the layer of skin but it does

> not break through to bleed. Anyway, that I have

> gotten used to. Yesterday, I had intense itching over

> my low back area, so I scratched it. Now, I was

> wearing a heavy robe and my nightgown, and I have no

> nails to speak of, and was itching my low back through

> my clothing, pretty vigorously. This morning my low

> back was very tender so I looked in the mirror and saw

> that where I had itched the night before is now very

> bruised! There are separate bruised areas over my

> lower back - obviously where I itched the hardest.

> This is a new one. I am still very tender over the

> bruised areas and am amazed that just trying to ease

> an itch could have caused this. I do bruise well

> anyway, am light complected, but this is ridiculous!

> Has anyone else experienced anything like this - does

> this now go along with the fragile skin thing? I know

> you guys have the answer lol. Bruised and tender in

> CA -

>

> Kathe

[Guest guest]

Also increase Citrus Bioflavinoids and Rutin, both with help bruising.

To help eliminate them faster, use a potatoe/radish poultice, leave in

place one hour.

Dolphi

> I have noticed that my son has a large number of bruises on his

> legs. I had not noticed this before. I am wondering if chelation

> can make my son more suceptible to bruising. Are there supplements

> that I should be adding that may help him with the bruising?

A loooooong time ago, my pharmacist told me to take more vitamin C.

Dana

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Could be the Advair, Kathe. Since it could be any of the other three,

too, or a combination of the meds you're on, I would definitely call

your doctor and let her figure what's causing it.

http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/advair_ad.htm

Sorry!

Re: [ ] Bruising

> Hi :

>

> Thanks - I just had blood work done within the last

> two weeks and all was normal but I will be calling her

> on Monday to discuss the bruising - my back is still

> very tender too. No, I haven't been on Prednisone for

> a while, but do take Advair, although I was told that

> the Prednisone in that goes directly into my lungs -

> maybe that could also be a problem? It would be bad

> if it is because that med really helps with my asthma.

> Darn these meds for helping with one thing and

> causing problems with another - round and round we go.

>

>

> Kathe in CA

> --- <Matsumura_Clan@...> wrote:

> > Kathe,

> >

> > Although prednisone is notorious for causing fragile

> > skin and bruising, I'm

> > not sure you're still taking it. Your other meds -

> > Motrin, Effexor, and

> > methotrexate - can also cause bruising and bleeding.

> > It could be a

> > combination of the meds. It's important to let your

> > doctor know that this is

> > occurring so that she can determine the reason and

> > make sure it's not

> > anything too serious (she may want to check your

> > blood counts).

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I have noticed bruising in the last few years. Mainly on my legs.

...... Florida

[Guest guest]

I also bruise fairly easily. if I bump my thigh on the edge of a desk I'm

bruised for a

few weeks. My knees have some bruises that have been there since a fall I had

over

Thanksgiving when I got plowed down by a Golden Retriever and landed on my knees

on a hardwood floor.

Sounds like it's an issue for some of us but I don't think anything can be done

about

it other than some concealer. :-)

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Try arnica or deep tissue oil, heat massage oil, alternate hot and cold therapy...SV <shavig@...> wrote: Last week my husband slipped getting into his van and grazed his shin badly. There wasn't much blood, but the lump on his shin was astounding! Made me sick to my stomach and thought he should go to the emergency room. But nooooooooooo, he chose to stay home with his leg up with ice. I also gave him ruta (remedy). By Saturday his foot is very purple and green, just like a bruise. The bump is still there, but the open wound is healing nicely. He was doing fine until today and now his leg hurts him, alot. Any

suggestions? Other than stay off it?! He's a skinny guy, probably 4% body fat with little banty legs so that bump looked like a grapefruit shoved under his skin, that's how big it was. Where does all that blood go? Into his foot, I'm assuming. Shari Suzi What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. health/ http://suziesgoats.wholefoodfarmacy.com/

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Had to find my other info.. here you go.. Fragile blood vessels are caused by a lack of vitamin C and bioflavonoids. Eat dark green, leafy vegetables and alfalfa sprouts to ensure adequate quantities of the blood-clotting agent vitamin K. These foods also contain iron, which is important to combat anemia, a possible cause of bruising. Citrus fruits contain vitamin K and are high in vitamin C and bioflavonoids, both of which are needed for strong capillaries. Fatty fish such as salmon or mackerel promote blood clotting with vitamin D, a nutrient which is also provided by sunlight. Easy bruising with slow healing is often due to a lack of

vitamin C. Bioflavonoids should always be included in the vitamin C formula, as they exist together in nature and work synergistically. Vitamin E also helps prevent and heal bruises. Both vitamins C and E are antioxidants, which prevent free-radical tissue damage. Bromelain also accelerates healing. Herbal teas, baths and compresses relieve the pain of a bruise and speed healing. Twice a day, alternate rubbing the bruise with thyme oil and tea tree oil diluted in olive oil. Add 15 drops comfrey tincture to warm bath water. After bathing the area, apply arnica salve to absorb the blood, or alternate with St. 's wort oil to relieve the pain and help speed healing. Add an infusion of thyme, chamomile and horsetail to your bath. Use any of the following herbs for compresses: St. 's wort, comfrey, fennel, chamomile, witch hazel, calendula blossoms and peppermint to soothe and heal the injury. Drink plenty of rose hip tea to help prevent

bruising caused by a lack of vitamin C. Would also take MSM.Suzanne <suziesgoats@...> wrote: Try arnica or deep tissue oil, heat massage oil, alternate hot and cold therapy...SV <shavig@...> wrote: Any suggestions? Other than stay off it?! He's a skinny guy, probably 4% body fat with little banty legs so that bump looked like a grapefruit shoved under his skin, that's how big it was. Where does all that blood go? Into his foot, I'm assuming. Shari

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Massaging up his leg toward his heart will help break up and remove dead blood.

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From: SV

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Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 5:12 PM

Subject: bruising

Last week my husband slipped getting into his van and grazed his shin badly. There wasn't much blood, but the lump on his shin was astounding! Made me sick to my stomach and thought he should go to the emergency room. But nooooooooooo, he chose to stay home with his leg up with ice. I also gave him ruta (remedy). By Saturday his foot is very purple and green, just like a bruise. The bump is still there, but the open wound is healing nicely. He was doing fine until today and now his leg hurts him, alot.

Any suggestions? Other than stay off it?! He's a skinny guy, probably 4% body fat with little banty legs so that bump looked like a grapefruit shoved under his skin, that's how big it was. Where does all that blood go? Into his foot, I'm assuming.

Shari

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Well, I know he gets his greens as he juices and eats two large salads a day and is drinking green smoothies that have at least 1/2 head of romaine. And we're raw fooders so he lives on fruits most of the daylight hours, so I doubt C is an issue. But the rest of it might help with the after effects. He honestly does not bruise easily so he really smacked himself.

I will pass on the rest of the suggestions and get him back on his MSM.

Thanks, Suzanne

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Is it a hard knot or does it fill liquid filled, like a water balloon? A doctor's visit certainly wouldn't be unreasonable... he could have chipped the bone, and draining it, if required, would best be done in sterile conditions by a professional.

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Are you taking any blood thinner like baby aspirin?

<kyrik@...> wrote: > Also, I've been getting bruises

(ugly quarter-sized) bruise for no

> apparent reason. Perhaps I'm bumping myself more than usual; but, in

> the past, something that caused a bruise was something I noticed and

> remembered. Is one more prone to bruising with Methotrexate?

I bruise like crazy, and I'm not on MTX. Seems to be worse when I'm

flaring or when the RA is not under control, like when I've gone

off meds...

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Has anyone noticed more bruising or bleeding with an injure and might it be r/t

Xolair?

carol

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Nope--haven't noticed more bruising or bleeding. However, when I was anemic, I

bruised very easily and my skin became very thin.

While I have the " floor " I would like to share an experience. First, I will

always have some asthma because of the condition of my lungs and because not all

of my asthma is allergy induced. I have been on xolair for almost 2 years. In

March when I saw the allergist whose office gives me the shots, he put me on 1

shot every six weeks instead of every 4 weeks. The week after I had the first

" six weeks " shot, we had high allergen counts and the next weekend my saga

began--a sore throat, followed by a dry cough, followed by sneezing, nasal

drainage (used two boxes of tissues in two days--more than I usually use in two

or three months!), then nasal blockage with the sinus pain, and now nasal

drainage again but with a cough--very productive! My chest has been sore as

well. I called the doctor last Friday and he put me on zyrtec D, which I

started Saturday night, instead of the fexofenadine. But....NO infection! I

have used my nebulizer about three

times, but only one day did I use my inhaler several times. While I still have

the cough and the nasal drainage, I did not feel too bad today, although the

first weekend of this event, I really felt awful. I have run NO fever. So if

the sinus stuff isn't as severe in the past when I have had to take an

antibiotic and steroids, I guess I can live with a sinus rhinitis attack once in

a while. But I had gotten so used to not having one of these attacks, that I am

really spoiled.

I will tell the xolair allergist--I did call my regular allergist so he has a

record of how I felt. If I have another such event, I will ask to go back to

the one shot every four weeks. I now know how much better I have felt since

beginning the xolair.

Thanks for letting me share......

Have a great week everyone--Here's to better breathing!

Adah

From: Carol Corley <floridabouvs@...>

Subject: [ ] Bruising

Date: Monday, April 28, 2008, 1:31 PM

Has anyone noticed more bruising or bleeding with an injure and might it be r/t

Xolair?

carol

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