anaphylaxis

[Guest guest]

and it wasn't even for Xolair, it was another medication

I am still on numerous medications. I am too depressed to count. (I can name 15

off the top of my head, the others...who knows...who cares). It almost seems ike

I am a legalized drug addict, pick a drug, any drug

Here, the local science museum MOSI is having their exhibition on the human

body, I should be the live display.

So many meds, so many side effects

what scares me, the drs have a list of the meds, so does the pharmacy. All meds

are through one pharmacy and this is what happens.

Last May, I had a friend who died from drug interactions. His drs and pharmacy

never closely monitored. And you hear the chains advertise how they do,

apparently, they don't.

(another thing, the 24 hour pharmacy is almost nonesistent where I live. The

store is open, not the pharmacy, so technically they are open....people need to

speak up)

Between provera and tylenol with codeine...that finished me. Provera was the

chest pains and epi and the codeine interfered with the ulcer

so I got to see the good men and women work hard and transport me to the ER.

That was nice of them, what good people

It does get scary because I live alone. I called 911, I knew the operator

receives my info when I call in, so I didnt' speak much bc I couldn't

so here I am , in the hospital.........again........admitted.....again

Easter I was admitted

Friday before Palm SUnday I was admitted

Maybe I should be like the cars in New York State, I can't be released til I

pass inspection (Wait, I'd never be released)

This week was a long week as well. I had the bippsy and ultrasound.

But.......for my birthday in June, I am having a party to celebrate the

hysterectomy! Relief in sight for that

this is just one more thing

ER seems to think the antidepressant should be changed again as well. I hate

those pills., they make me sleep...and gain weight. I wish they would hlave the

dose so I won't sleep as much. Maybe I will just do that.

The asthma...well the pollen seems to have diminished a bit but the air quality

still is not so great. Especailly when there are controlled brush fires

I am glad I don't have a gun, I would have used it by now on me. If I were a

farm animal, I'd be put out of my misery a long time ago

So....anaphylaxis...how fun........NOT!!! I hate that shot of epi. That hurts

like hell

[Guest guest]

I also asked about this off-list, and didn't really get a good answer.

Do the iodine docs do any kind of allergy testing with their patients, such as a

test dose, before putting anyone on a protocol?

It would be helpful if someone in-the-know would please respond to these

questions.

-Ken Bagwell

>

> Hi! How long does it take to have the reaction? Also, if a person was taking

25mg with no problem - is it possible to have a sever reaction at 50mg or a

100mg?

> I'm wondering - why the instructions to the loading test are not warning for

anaphylaxis.

> Katerinka

>

[Guest guest]

I am sure that if the Iodine docs felt there was a risk they would test it. But they have done thousands of patients and I have not heard mention of one with a reaction like Dennis had. So that is probably the reason why they don't do it.

Steph

Re: Anaphylaxis

Hi Steph,I guess when I said I didn't get a good answer, I was really hoping for a different answer.I think it would be better for them to do test doses, first.A doctor on another forum said she did in fact have a life threatening reaction while previously never having a reaction to iodine-containing foods and antiseptics.-Ken Bagwell> >> > Hi! How long does it take to have the reaction? Also, if a person was taking 25mg with no problem - is it possible to have a sever reaction at 50mg or a 100mg? > > I'm wondering - why the instructions to the loading test are not warning for anaphylaxis. > > Katerinka> >>

[Guest guest]

Ken,

A test dose won't guarantee that a person won't have a reaction. In fact, you

could react just as violently to the test dose (quantity is not always the

issue). The best insurance is to give it in a setting where any reaction can be

immediately reversed, as Dennis did. I had a severe anaphylactic reaction to

ATP and my breathing locked up the second it hit my bloodstream. Luckily, we

had 500mg of IV Solu Medrol waiting, which immediately stopped the reaction and

restored my breathing. Then we continued the appt as if nothing had happened!

Mike

>

> Hi Steph,

>

> I guess when I said I didn't get a good answer, I was really hoping for a

different answer.

>

> I think it would be better for them to do test doses, first.

[Guest guest]

I didn't know about this guy, Dennis. But the person I'm hearing from is

Barnette, a Nurse Practitioner, on the hypo forum. She says she took a test

dose herself while in her natural Medicine MD's office, and suffered a severe

anaphylatic reaction.

I was hoping to hear that the iodine docs would advise people take a test dose

while in their office, or trying just a part of a pill in a test kit before

advising them to take a high dose 50mg Iodine capsule. This would really be to

cover their bases, because even though it may be rare, all it takes is ONE

person to get injured or die, and these guys have a lawsuit on their hands, or

worse.

But I'm not an Iodine expert, either. It's their own business, I guess.

-Ken Bagwell

> > >

> > > Hi! How long does it take to have the reaction? Also, if a person was

taking 25mg with no problem - is it possible to have a sever reaction at 50mg or

a 100mg?

> > > I'm wondering - why the instructions to the loading test are not warning

for anaphylaxis.

> > > Katerinka

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

By the way, I have just read Dennis' posts, so now I am familiar with him on

this board. Seems like a good guy. I do the web board thing rather than

incoming emails, so sometimes I miss posts.

I guess feel kinda like Mike from San Diego. I wish after all these years of

the Iodine project (10?) there were more doctors or researchers willing to come

forth and verify what Abraham, Brownstein, and Co. are saying.

I know there are doctors and studies that used high-dose Iodine 70 or 80 years

ago, however I'm not yet familiar about whether they recommended it as a daily

high-dose supplement for long term general health. It seemed to me they were

recommending it for people who presented obvious health problems, not just

general wellness.

That said, I do understand that 70-80 years ago and earlier, the goitrogenic

soup we swim in today was probably not present then, and perhaps this is good

reason to now suggest a daily high dose supplement.

I guess I am still on the fence and wish this Iodine controversy was easier to

figure out, or believe one way or the other. Or perhaps I am just being

impatient. I just don't want my wife to hurt herself any more than she already

is, she is emotionally frail (that's just how she is), and if I were to advise

her toward something that hurt her, and she ended up with hypo or some

autoimmune issue, we would both be totally devastated.

I want to feel absolutely confident that high-dose Iodine does not cause

hypothyroidism or autoimmune disorders over time. I stil thinking and looking.

-Ken Bagwell

> > > >

> > > > Hi! How long does it take to have the reaction? Also, if a person was

taking 25mg with no problem - is it possible to have a sever reaction at 50mg or

a 100mg?

> > > > I'm wondering - why the instructions to the loading test are not

warning for anaphylaxis.

> > > > Katerinka

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mike,

That is good to hear. I guess I am concerned (not so much for myself) about

Abraham, Brownstein, & Co. advising high-dose Iodine to a lot of people.

Without those people having a safe way to deal with a life threatening reaction

like you did with ATP, won't Abraham and Co. potentially be putting themselves

at risk of big lawsuit and losing their license? Like I said, all it takes is

one person to get hurt.

At the same time, I understand that this is kind of antithetical to their

argument that Iodine is safe and most people should take high doses.

Not totally sure how to look at it.

-Ken Bagwell

> >

> > Hi Steph,

> >

> > I guess when I said I didn't get a good answer, I was really hoping for a

different answer.

> >

> > I think it would be better for them to do test doses, first.

>

[Guest guest]

That could happen with anything they recommend taking. I had a really bad reaction to Licorice root.

It is their choice as to how they do things - I happen to agree with how they handle things.

You are beating a dead horse here. They don't test and debating this isn't going to change things.

Re: Anaphylaxis

I didn't know about this guy, Dennis. But the person I'm hearing from is Barnette, a Nurse Practitioner, on the hypo forum. She says she took a test dose herself while in her natural Medicine MD's office, and suffered a severe anaphylatic reaction.I was hoping to hear that the iodine docs would advise people take a test dose while in their office, or trying just a part of a pill in a test kit before advising them to take a high dose 50mg Iodine capsule. This would really be to cover their bases, because even though it may be rare, all it takes is ONE person to get injured or die, and these guys have a lawsuit on their hands, or worse.But I'm not an Iodine expert, either. It's their own business, I guess.-Ken Bagwell> > >> > > Hi! How long does it take to have the reaction? Also, if a person was taking 25mg with no problem - is it possible to have a sever reaction at 50mg or a 100mg? > > > I'm wondering - why the instructions to the loading test are not warning for anaphylaxis. > > > Katerinka> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Where do you live Ken? Maybe we have a reference for an Iodine doc.

Re: Anaphylaxis

By the way, I have just read Dennis' posts, so now I am familiar with him on this board. Seems like a good guy. I do the web board thing rather than incoming emails, so sometimes I miss posts.I guess feel kinda like Mike from San Diego. I wish after all these years of the Iodine project (10?) there were more doctors or researchers willing to come forth and verify what Abraham, Brownstein, and Co. are saying.I know there are doctors and studies that used high-dose Iodine 70 or 80 years ago, however I'm not yet familiar about whether they recommended it as a daily high-dose supplement for long term general health. It seemed to me they were recommending it for people who presented obvious health problems, not just general wellness.That said, I do understand that 70-80 years ago and earlier, the goitrogenic soup we swim in today was probably not present then, and perhaps this is good reason to now suggest a daily high dose supplement.I guess I am still on the fence and wish this Iodine controversy was easier to figure out, or believe one way or the other. Or perhaps I am just being impatient. I just don't want my wife to hurt herself any more than she already is, she is emotionally frail (that's just how she is), and if I were to advise her toward something that hurt her, and she ended up with hypo or some autoimmune issue, we would both be totally devastated.I want to feel absolutely confident that high-dose Iodine does not cause hypothyroidism or autoimmune disorders over time. I stil thinking and looking.-Ken Bagwell> > > >> > > > Hi! How long does it take to have the reaction? Also, if a person was taking 25mg with no problem - is it possible to have a sever reaction at 50mg or a 100mg? > > > > I'm wondering - why the instructions to the loading test are not warning for anaphylaxis. > > > > Katerinka> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

I don't know how many times or different ways I can say it,

anaphylaxis is an extreme as well as unusual reaction to anything including

iodine. I know of only one other person that presented with anaphylaxis in my

clinic, and a typical characteristic is that they have said allergic reaction

to most anything. The other woman had a reaction to animal dander, as well as a

myriad of other things. If you have anaphylactic reactions to certain things,

then you need to be prudent with what you ingest regardless of its nature. Perhaps

a modicum of common sense would be prudent for anyone that is concerned about

an anaphylactic reaction to anything. An anaphylactic reaction should not

happen with iodine any more than any other product that you might ingest. If it

does, you have more serious problems to deal with, and need to be under a

physician's care.

It would be prudent to point out that the reference to

anaphylaxis was used as an example of why I came to find this site. Please be

advised to read and try to understand the entire post, rather than reacting to

something that was not intended to be posted as a precaution.

Dennis Dvorak

From:

iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of kenancy2000

Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:14 AM

iodine

Subject: Re: Anaphylaxis

I didn't know about this guy, Dennis. But the

person I'm hearing from is Barnette, a Nurse Practitioner, on the hypo

forum. She says she took a test dose herself while in her natural Medicine MD's

office, and suffered a severe anaphylatic reaction.

I was hoping to hear that the iodine docs would advise people take a test dose

while in their office, or trying just a part of a pill in a test kit before

advising them to take a high dose 50mg Iodine capsule. This would really be to

cover their bases, because even though it may be rare, all it takes is ONE

person to get injured or die, and these guys have a lawsuit on their hands, or

worse.

But I'm not an Iodine expert, either. It's their own business, I guess.

-Ken Bagwell

> > >

> > > Hi! How long does it take to have the reaction? Also, if a

person was taking 25mg with no problem - is it possible to have a sever

reaction at 50mg or a 100mg?

> > > I'm wondering - why the instructions to the loading test are not

warning for anaphylaxis.

> > > Katerinka

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ken,

It

would appear that you are genuinely interested in learning about iodine, and hypothyroidism.

Some books that may be helpful to you would obviously be Brownstein's, as well

as Broda .

Again

it is not the purpose of this site to defend via " research " or

whatever the participant may have come up with or think of value, if for no

other reason that there are people that are that which we might call

" believers " that are in critical need of help RIGHT NOW. It is

already been stated that this is the purpose of the group rather than arguing

ad infinitum about a circuitous idea that does not have relevance to the bulk

of the group. My views are predicated on that which I understand from history

of what I think of the allopathic medical profession and how it came into

being. If you want to delve further into that, so that you will understand at

least my mindset and probably the mindset of et al., read " Pasteur

Exposed by Ethel Hume. I have no ISBN as it is an Australian book first

published in 1923 with the last edition in 1988. Also ISBN 1556431708 (Coulter)

you may also want to have a conversation with a new poster such as Diane,

who apparently is a disillusioned Registered Nurse. She like others in this

group have actual experience dealing with the allopathic medical mindset. To be

blunt, I think you've been brainwashed, as a lot of folks, myself included have

been by the allopathic medical mindset. After having been blown off by the

established medical community, I had to decide whether I want to eat my gun, or

take responsibility to get better in whatever way I could. 37 years later I am

now in the best health of my life. None of it has been because of research

studies done by entities that may have a vested interest in the outcome. I

believe that what this group has to offer is personal experiences that work.

This is a self-help group. That means that you have to help yourself, using the

information provided. There is no one here that is trying to sell you something

or make money from you. You need to do your research to convince yourself that

either we are right or full of baloney.

From reading what you said about your wife, I would strongly

suggest that you avail yourself of the services of a competent naturopathic

practitioner. Iodine has great merit, and in and of itself would aid your

wife's return to health, but there may be other things in this specific

situation that need to be looked at, that are outside the scope of this venue.

Dennis Dvorak

From:

iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of kenancy2000

Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 4:14 AM

iodine

Subject: Re: Anaphylaxis

By the way, I have just read Dennis' posts, so

now I am familiar with him on this board. Seems like a good guy. I do the web

board thing rather than incoming emails, so sometimes I miss posts.

I guess feel kinda like Mike from San Diego. I wish after all these years of

the Iodine project (10?) there were more doctors or researchers willing to come

forth and verify what Abraham, Brownstein, and Co. are saying.

I know there are doctors and studies that used high-dose Iodine 70 or 80 years

ago, however I'm not yet familiar about whether they recommended it as a daily

high-dose supplement for long term general health. It seemed to me they were

recommending it for people who presented obvious health problems, not just

general wellness.

That said, I do understand that 70-80 years ago and earlier, the goitrogenic

soup we swim in today was probably not present then, and perhaps this is good

reason to now suggest a daily high dose supplement.

I guess I am still on the fence and wish this Iodine controversy was easier to

figure out, or believe one way or the other. Or perhaps I am just being

impatient. I just don't want my wife to hurt herself any more than she already

is, she is emotionally frail (that's just how she is), and if I were to advise

her toward something that hurt her, and she ended up with hypo or some

autoimmune issue, we would both be totally devastated.

I want to feel absolutely confident that high-dose Iodine does not cause

hypothyroidism or autoimmune disorders over time. I stil thinking and looking.

-Ken Bagwell

> > > >

> > > > Hi! How long does it take to have the reaction? Also, if a

person was taking 25mg with no problem - is it possible to have a sever

reaction at 50mg or a 100mg?

> > > > I'm wondering - why the instructions to the loading test

are not warning for anaphylaxis.

> > > > Katerinka

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Ken,

It's all relative. We give potentially dangerous compounds everyday (morphine,

Amiodarone, etc), but in prescribed environments. The case getting lots of

attention now is Propafol and . I used to give it as an IV drip,

but ONLY in the ICU, and only to people on a ventilator. His doctor will

probably be convicted of involuntary manslaughter, not for giving Propafol, but

for giving it w/o the proper safeguards (like the ICU) at hand. The same

applies for those giving iodine.

So I don't think doctors using iodine are opening themselves up to lawsuits

(unless they don't use the proper safeguards) any more than doctors who give any

drug that has the potential for anaphylactic shock AND is being used for an off

label (non FDA approved) purpose, which is legal. Not that I have any respect

for the FDA, but the courts definitely do. It is those 'lots of people' you

mentioned, many of whom will use iodine w/o being in the right environment, who

are at risk. And you can't control that, you can only be sure you accent the

potential problems as well as the potential benefits in the information you

disseminate to the general public. In those cases, you end up with the 'Common

Joe' being injured, with no recourse.

Mike

> > >

> > > Hi Steph,

> > >

> > > I guess when I said I didn't get a good answer, I was really hoping for a

different answer.

> > >

> > > I think it would be better for them to do test doses, first.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

it would be interesting to know what the test dose actually was. ppl

report on here that they have probs on lower doses that go away on

higher doses, and it is ironic that enough iodine can relieve allergic

symptoms.

gracia

Dennis Dvorak wrote:

>

>

> I don't know how many times or different ways I can say it,

> anaphylaxis is an extreme as well as unusual reaction to anything

> including iodine. I know of only one other person that presented with

> anaphylaxis in my clinic, and a typical characteristic is that they

> have said allergic reaction to most anything. The other woman had a

> reaction to animal dander, as well as a myriad of other things. If you

> have anaphylactic reactions to certain things, then you need to be

> prudent with what you ingest regardless of its nature. Perhaps a

> modicum of common sense would be prudent for anyone that is concerned

> about an anaphylactic reaction to anything. An anaphylactic reaction

> should not happen with iodine any more than any other product that you

> might ingest. If it does, you have more serious problems to deal with,

> and need to be under a physician's care.

>

>

>

> It would be prudent to point out that the reference to anaphylaxis was

> used as an example of why I came to find this site. Please be advised

> to read and try to understand the entire post, rather than reacting to

> something that was not intended to be posted as a precaution.

>

>

>

> Dennis Dvorak

>

>

>

> *From:* iodine [mailto:iodine ] *On

> Behalf Of *kenancy2000

> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:14 AM

> *To:* iodine

> *Subject:* Re: Anaphylaxis

>

>

>

>

>

> I didn't know about this guy, Dennis. But the person I'm hearing from

> is Barnette, a Nurse Practitioner, on the hypo forum. She says

> she took a test dose herself while in her natural Medicine MD's

> office, and suffered a severe anaphylatic reaction.

>

> I was hoping to hear that the iodine docs would advise people take a

> test dose while in their office, or trying just a part of a pill in a

> test kit before advising them to take a high dose 50mg Iodine capsule.

> This would really be to cover their bases, because even though it may

> be rare, all it takes is ONE person to get injured or die, and these

> guys have a lawsuit on their hands, or worse.

>

> But I'm not an Iodine expert, either. It's their own business, I guess.

>

> -Ken Bagwell

>

[Guest guest]

I think everyone is getting too

scared about this. After all, peanuts, eggs, etc. CAN cause anaphylaxis

reactions in SOME people, but nobody only gives them to our children in a

doctor’s office or hospital where the proper remediation can be

administered IF they were to have a reaction.

Any person can have a reaction to any medication, food, airborn

fume, anything in life. To expect that someone has tested for every case

possible is exactly why we are losing the freedom to get hold of natural

remedies that have worked in the past, but maybe are not so measurable.

By wanting “some expert” to study everything in life

and decide all the possible problems so that we know all the risks is asking

for government to step in and take all the risks for us, thereby giving them

all the control.

I would rather take responsibility for my own life and take the

risk that those choices entail. After all, how do you think medicine was

started in the first place? People used what was growing around them, and made

anecdotal observations – “Gee, when we use (fill in the blank) when

cooking, grandma has less pain in her legs afterward. Maybe (that substance)

will help her again. I think I will try it!” Wahla, we have tried to use

some item to heal by anecdotal observation. What made them try bread mold to

heal? Anecdotal observation. Was there risk in trying it? Yes, because no one

had done an official scientific study on it yet!

Ok, those are my thoughts for the morning, back to making

applesauce!

Donna in IL

I was hoping to hear that the iodine docs would advise people take a test dose

while in their office, or trying just a part of a pill in a test kit before

advising them to take a high dose 50mg Iodine capsule. This would really be to

cover their bases, because even though it may be rare, all it takes is ONE

person to get injured or die, and these guys have a lawsuit on their hands, or

worse.

[Guest guest]

I am not sure you can feel absolutely confident about what you said below. There

ARE studies showing high dose iodine causes these disorders in at least SOME

people. Japan consumes the highest amount of iodine and also has the highest

rate of Hashimoto's. You can (and should) do your own research on it.

> I want to feel absolutely confident that high-dose Iodine does not cause

hypothyroidism or autoimmune disorders over time. I stil thinking and looking.

>

> -Ken Bagwell

[Guest guest]

"...It is those 'lots of people' you mentioned, many of whom will use iodine w/o being in the right environment, who are at risk. And you can't control that, you can only be sure you accent the potential problems as well as the potential benefits in the information you disseminate to the general public. In those cases, you end up with the 'Common Joe' being injured, with no recourse..."

We aren't talking about a drug here which all have side effects. Iodine is in nature, the body requires it, and all people ingest some. You give me the impression you are in the present medical system that got us into this mess and fighting to keep us in it. That will not happen.

I highly value Mikes input to the group and am very thankful he takes the time to share his experiences. I hope he continues. The same person who had a reaction, which is incredibly rare, would have had the same eating in a restaurant anything with iodine, such as seaweed in a chinese rest.

The safety of natural products is without question. Relying on the medical cartel is what got us into this mess in the first place and is killing millions of people.

Many are now leading the way into the medical system of the future, so in a sense we are all pioneers going back to the wisdom of the past (which the present system is trying to discredit and cover up), to regain what was best, and adding on the latest nutritional research.

I first discovered the iodine project through Dr Brownstein's video on youtube and was amazed at what he was saying. As I continued to research the topic I found safety often mentioned, and in a sensible manner, Bottom line to me is if one had no reaction to iodized salt, likely it's fine. I sensibly started with low dose iodine - a health product at .15mg. Over a weeks time I went to 8 or ten of these with no issues at all. From there I found a local pharmacy who had lugol's ( a very smart/wise pharmacist!) rare nowadays.

Starting at 1 drop I worked up to 50/60 mg/day. I have no thyroid issues that gave me reason to take iodine other than the fact that the body needs it for numerous reasons for good health. The more I research it the more valuable I see it is.

As a health researcher going on 3,000 hours of study and research, I did what many do who discover what the present failed system covered up, I applied it. I am very thankful of this group as the feedback is invaluable (understatement). Those like Steph and others who invest so much time to help others represent the best of that which is to come and for which many of us are in training for. True Health Care.

Optimal health through natural products. We don't have drug deficiencies, we have nutrient deficiencies. I am totally confident that we were created to live in perfect health through our 90's. And will.

Bruce

[Guest guest]

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