Oh no!

[Guest guest]

Hi Everybody,

Just as I was enjoying a few decent days since starting abx, I found

deer tick firmly attached to my side! This unfortunately has never been

a rare occurrence, but since we have been suffering drought-like

conditions, we have noticed a drop in the amount of deer ticks we have

been seeing.

I felt sicker yesterday, and had a bad headache for the 1st time since

starting Neurontin. Later, I found the damned tick. I am on 500mg. of

Biaxin 2x a day. Anybody know if that would have killed any new

spirochetes? Byron, what was that incantation again?!!!

Sick of Ticks, Joan LI, NY

[Guest guest]

Joan,

I had the same reaction when I found a deer tick

on me. A hysterical call to my Lyme doctor (on a

Sunday morning, no less) got me the information

that I should be perfectly fine, since the

antibiotics should kill any spirochetes it might

have injected into me.

I was on 1000 mg of Biaxin and 500 mg of Ceftin at

the time. She did tell me to keep an eye out for

any kind of a local reaction, of course, just in

case. (I never had any further problems from it).

I never saw the tick that infected me, so finding

this *%( & ^_*)! thing on me was very upsetting.

Jean

[Guest guest]

Bummer Joan .. I am so sorry to hear that . Those D@#$% Ticks !!!

{{{{{JOAN}}}}}

[Guest guest]

oh dear... I didn't know that.. Last summer I found a dog tick walking on my

arm while I was lying on the sofa.. You can bet how I freaked out.. Actually

I don't normally freak out when bugs are on me since entomology is an hobby

of mine... This tick was swollen.. I guess I must have picked it up while I

was working on the garden or the dog brought it in.. A couple of months ago,

I found another tick on my bed.. shuddering.. but in both times, I took

comfort that I was immune because of the antibiotics I was taking..And I

didn't get sicker. I didnt realize till you shared with us your experience

that current antibiotics may not be effective to new tick bites..oh geez, I

camped in Maine for one week last Aug and three weeks in Everglades last

Jan.. Now this is really scary, thinking our antibiotics are not protecting

us from future lyme or related condition....

does this mean you need to avoid going outside as much as possible?

Sorry to hear that,

hugs,

elizabeth

In a message dated 99-07-24 05:36:58 EDT, you write:

<<

My first known tick bite was July 27, 1996. I was finally beginning

to feel better in early May of '97. Then, on Memorial Day, I found

a deer tick embedded in my arm - at the inside elbow crease. At the

time, I was on 1000mg/day of Biaxin, and 1000mg/day Cedax. I thought

for sure that this would kill any new spirochetes, but, within a

few days, I lost all the ground I had gained and continued to get

worse than with the first tick bite.

>>

[Guest guest]

Hi Patty,

Did your LLMD ever give you an explanation as to why the abx didn't keep

you from relapsing? Were you retested for Ehrlichiosis and Babesiosis

after the second bite? Also, do you know if the testing for those two

are any more accurate than the Lyme tests?

I am calling my LLMD Mon. morning to tell him about the new bite and the

swelling of my feet.

This is such a complicated battle...just when we start making some

progress, it's two steps back. But in order to make progress, we must

keep fighting.

Hope you're having a good day! Hugs, Joan LI, NY

[Guest guest]

Patty,

I am glad you shared this with us.. I have asked other people with lyme,

including a couple who host lyme chat groups, and they all feel that if one

is still on antibiotic treatment, this would be effective deterrent to

possible reinfection or whatever. I never thought about different strains nor

different bacterial infection, so this is a wake up call.. I was going

around with a sense of false security and I am sure a lot of others feel that

way.

You live not too far from where I live. So I will take precautions not only

during camping trips, but also for outsdoor work in MY own yard. That will

take some time to get used to.. my yard as an hostile environment.. sigh...

I have no idea if I got bitten by these two ticks.. I guess I will never

know.. Thank goodness I didn't feel worse afterwards.. Please keep us posted

about your hubby.

Thanks, patty

elizabeth

md

<<

Hi ,

I'm sorry, didn't mean to scare anyone, but I think it's important that

we realize the abx we're on MIGHT not protect us from further infection

with new tick bites. One reason is because of the different strains of

Bb, and another is because of co-infections - one tick might not be

carrying Babesiosis and/or Erlichiosis, while a second, etc. tick may be

carrying it.

If you didn't get any worse from your second bite by now, I doubt that

you're going to at this point - and that's good news!

And I'm not saying that everyone on antibiotics will get worse with

subsequent tick bites, but I do think that we still need to be just

as cautious and anyone else when it comes to taking proper precautions

against another bite. And if we take these precautions, then I don't

see any reason for limiting outdoor activities.

Heck, I wasn't even outside to get my second tick bite - I'm convinced

that it came in on my hubby and decided it like me best! <G> But

seriously, it's not just pets that can bring ticks indoors so I think

that we still have to be vigilant and continue to check ourselves for

ticks and take precautions.

I have a ziplock baggie with 15 DEAD ticks that I've removed from either

my hubby, me or one of my granddaughters - all since March! My hubby

has already sprayed our property 4 times since March, and the one time

that he went outside and didn't spray himself with Deep Woods

Off, we found a deer tick embedded in his thigh. He's been on Doxy,

300mg/day since the day after we removed the tick, and will continue on

that dose for six weeks - longer of course if any symptoms appear. So

far, nothing in these 3 weeks - now, three more to go.

Bottom Line - I think we have to continue to follow all of the advice

that we give to others - tick checks, sprays, etc. because there's

always the possibility that a new bite " could " make us worse.

Have a great Sunday!

>>

[Guest guest]

Patty

I am giving educational talks when I feel good and badly need ticks for

display purposes. could you email me and I'll give you my address to send

the ticks you seem to find if you could spare them. I'm also with the

Michigan Lyme Disease Association.

Thanks

Bev

[Guest guest]

Abbey,

My polyps always came back in about 3 months, but not full blown. The only time they came back full blown was when I was working at a new job with chemicals and mold. Did you start a new job or change your where you live? Just curious.

Tami

Oh no!

Hey Guys, I had my 4th sinus surgery the 19th of May, and I went back to my ENT the other day and i have full blown polyps already!!!! Two weeks ago I had none. What the heck???? He said he had never seen them come back so fast. What's a low salicylite diet? Does that help polyps or just the asthma?? Is there anything I can do? I checked into the NAET trestments but it's just way to expensive. Thanks!AbbeyAtlanta, GA

[Guest guest]

Dear Abbey,

Weren't you the one who went on the mucusless diet and your pollyps went

away? Wouldn't it be worth trying again? My idea is to go on the diet

until the polyps are gone. Then adjust the diet some to be able to be

heathy long term on it - such as adding a little meat and/or some soy milk

for protein and B12. You could slowly add more foods if you wished a

little at a time and you'd easily be able to tell if you reacted to the

food - say if you added one food a week. I actually did a diet very

similar to the one you went on called the Hallelujah diet and it worked for

me too until I began to lose a lot of weight and turn orange since I drank

a lot of carrot juice as part of the diet to get enough calcium and other

nutrients. I went off this diet and very soon I felt really lousy again.

A low salicylate diet helps asthma and polyps or it did for me anyway.

It is the Feingold plan (instead of calling it a diet). You can find out

more about it at www.Feingold.org. I would recommend the extremely

sensitive plan to start on. Once your pollyps are better you can add more

foods.

NAET could maybe be used just to get tested for what you are allergic to

and avoid them. That would be less expensive and you could get treated

later when you could afford it. If you knew what to avoid it would really

be a key to getting well. If you avoided what you are reacting to your

body could heal and maybe later your body could tolerate those things fine

or maybe you could tolerate small amounts. You can find out more about

this at www.NAET.com. NAET has actually been curing my allergies. It

really works. I can now eat foods that I know made me sick before.

Oh no!

Hey Guys,

I had my 4th sinus surgery the 19th of May, and I went back to my ENT the

other day and i have full blown polyps already!!!! Two weeks ago I had

none.

What the heck???? He said he had never seen them come back so fast.

What's a

low salicylite diet? Does that help polyps or just the asthma?? Is there

anything I can do? I checked into the NAET trestments but it's just way to

expensive. Thanks!

Abbey

Atlanta, GA

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[Guest guest]

So, was the feeling sick, from your reaction from the food you ate, or just

the fact tht you did so well for 3 days and blew it? Kick out the guilt, if

that's it. Tomorrow's another day. Start over and take it from there. If

it's the food making you feel that way, then it is showing you your body can

tell you it's not being fed right, and you'll only keep repeating it as long

or as often as for the moment the wrong food makes you think how good it

tastes is worth the feeling bad. After a while the thought of feeling bad

will help you to prefer to eat right more often.

Oh NO!

> Ok.. so I did really well on my diet for 3 days.. then today I got

> depressed. I've eaten a Big Mac, fries, rootbeer, chocolate pudding,

> and some berry pie and ice cream. I feel sick.

>

> Great.

>

> Why do I do this?

>

> So much hard work for 3 days.. then destroy it in a 24 hour binge.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

mamaambota2003 wrote:

> Ok.. so I did really well on my diet for 3 days.. then today I got

> depressed. I've eaten a Big Mac, fries, rootbeer, chocolate pudding,

> and some berry pie and ice cream. I feel sick.

>

> Great.

>

> Why do I do this?

Maybe a craving for variety?

I'm convinced that's what we need.

I think that's why I went bananas on dark chocolate last night and

downed an entire slab during a movie. Yum.

Felt fine till I woke up today bloated and 4 pounds heavier than yesterday.

Chocolate is okay for little bits - not as a substitute for supper I

don't think :-)

But I sure enjoyed it.

With hindsight I'd have done better on a escargot, mushroom and mangoes

for a change of pace/taste.

Keeping variety on hand is not so easy. especially low budget.

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

I try to blame the scientist in me. I have to reproduce the

results. Unfortunately it always works, feel terrible and usually

bloated on top of that. On the positive side, feeling terrible tells

me that the avoids are really bad for me, if I want to feel good,

just get back to the beneficials.

> Ok.. so I did really well on my diet for 3 days.. then today I got

> depressed. I've eaten a Big Mac, fries, rootbeer, chocolate

pudding,

> and some berry pie and ice cream. I feel sick.

>

> Great.

>

> Why do I do this?

>

> So much hard work for 3 days.. then destroy it in a 24 hour binge.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I wince now at how I ate during college sometimes. I would go to church on

a Sunday morning then before I cam home to lay on the couch and watch the

Dallas Cowboys play, I would stop by Mcs and buy two quarter punders

with cheese, no pickles, two large fries, a supersized Coke and sometimes a

cherry pie. Then I would also go by a donut place and buy a couple of dozen

donut holes!

I'd eat all that and usually fall asleep before the end of the game. I'd be

out of it most of the afternoon and then get back to studying or watching TV

that night.

I guess at least I was getting beef in the quarter pounders. Mama don't

worry we all have had our time of overcoming the trails that have been

blazed in our habits.

You will get there :-)

_____

From: Irene de Villiers [mailto:furryboots@...]

Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 10:02 PM

Subject: Re: Oh NO!

mamaambota2003 wrote:

> Ok.. so I did really well on my diet for 3 days.. then today I got

> depressed. I've eaten a Big Mac, fries, rootbeer, chocolate pudding,

> and some berry pie and ice cream. I feel sick.

>

> Great.

>

> Why do I do this?

Maybe a craving for variety?

I'm convinced that's what we need.

I think that's why I went bananas on dark chocolate last night and

downed an entire slab during a movie. Yum.

Felt fine till I woke up today bloated and 4 pounds heavier than yesterday.

Chocolate is okay for little bits - not as a substitute for supper I

don't think :-)

But I sure enjoyed it.

With hindsight I'd have done better on a escargot, mushroom and mangoes

for a change of pace/taste.

Keeping variety on hand is not so easy. especially low budget.

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

Once you have realized what you have done, you are OK. That was a

lesson. I think we all cheat sometimes... That's life and

naughtiness

I do not have a sweet tooth (lucky me for a nonsecreetor). Cheese

catches me again and again but then my body tells me no no.

I think each cheat is a lesson. The basic thing is you shouldn't get

discouraged. Stand up if you fall.

TODAY IS YOUR NEW CHANCE.

TO ESCAPE/REDUCE BINGES EAT YOUR PROTEINS IN DECENT PROPORTIONS WITH

THE RIGHT VEGGIES TO FILL YOUR TUMMY.

FOR CRAVINGS YOU HAVE THE OPTION OF ACCEPTABLE NUTS AND DRIED FRUITS

(a nice combination)

OR FRESH FRUIT !!!

Love, Rose in Hungary

[Guest guest]

Personally, I'd go with throwing it out and starting anew with your

backup....

Gayle

On Jan 11, 2009, at 2:42 PM, whistling_lass wrote:

> I just went into the kitchen and noticed the cover was off my brewing

> container (maybe the rubberband slipped?) and now there are tons of

> fruit flies in it.

>

> Do I need to throw the SCOBY away? Have they already laid eggs on it?

> Is it a lost cause? I'm not squeamish about drinking the tea, if I

> filter it and there are no flies in it, but I'm worried the SCOBY is

> now contaminated.

>

> I must have ESP, b/c last weekend, I decided to start a second batch,

> so I cut my SCOBY in half so I'd have a backup. Whew! Good thinking.

>

> Marcy

>

[Guest guest]

Agree with Gayle that it would be safer to throw it out. However, why

not throw out the new scoby and the tea, but gently clean the mother

scoby beneath and re-use it?

Dennis

>

> > I just went into the kitchen and noticed the cover was off my brewing

> > container (maybe the rubberband slipped?) and now there are tons of

> > fruit flies in it.

> >

> > Do I need to throw the SCOBY away? Have they already laid eggs on it?

> > Is it a lost cause? I'm not squeamish about drinking the tea, if I

> > filter it and there are no flies in it, but I'm worried the SCOBY is

> > now contaminated.

> >

> > I must have ESP, b/c last weekend, I decided to start a second batch,

> > so I cut my SCOBY in half so I'd have a backup. Whew! Good thinking.

> >

> > Marcy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone,

Often if you have mold it gets into the KT and SCOBY not just on the surface. To

use

anything from a moldy batch could reintroduce the mold into your new batch.

Keep a backup!

Peace, Love and Harmony,

Bev

> >

> > > I just went into the kitchen and noticed the cover was off my brewing

> > > container (maybe the rubberband slipped?) and now there are tons of

> > > fruit flies in it.

> > >

> > > Do I need to throw the SCOBY away? Have they already laid eggs on it?

> > > Is it a lost cause? I'm not squeamish about drinking the tea, if I

> > > filter it and there are no flies in it, but I'm worried the SCOBY is

> > > now contaminated.

> > >

> > > I must have ESP, b/c last weekend, I decided to start a second batch,

> > > so I cut my SCOBY in half so I'd have a backup. Whew! Good thinking.

> > >

> > > Marcy

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Agree with Gayle that it would be safer to throw it out. However, why

> not throw out the new scoby and the tea, but gently clean the mother

> scoby beneath and re-use it?

I forgot to check back to see what you all said. I ended up throwing

out the tea and the scobies from the fruit fly batch, but my other one

has two scobies in it as well, b/c the mother sank to the bottom, so I

have two backups.

Marcy

[Guest guest]

My neighbors in back are burning again. It is just outside the city limits

therefore, legal.

Last time, they burned I didn't do too bad but my 84 year old mother in law is

" mildly " asthmatic and has probs too.

Thank the Lord for my WONDERFUL CPAP at night

Doug

Group founder

[Guest guest]

Oh Doug, I'm sorry. If people only kenw(or care) that their actions affect

other people. I hope you and your mother are doing ok. take care jean

>

> My neighbors in back are burning again. It is just outside the city limits

therefore, legal.

>

> Last time, they burned I didn't do too bad but my 84 year old mother in law is

" mildly " asthmatic and has probs too.

>

>

> Thank the Lord for my WONDERFUL CPAP at night

>

> Doug

> Group founder

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Oh Doug, I'm sorry. If people only kenw(or care) that their actions affect

other people. I hope you and your mother are doing ok. take care jean

>

Thanks They are just about done. I am glad that I am a minister and was at

the church most of the day (wink)