Guest guest Posted February 25, 2001 Report Share Posted February 25, 2001 Marilyn Wrote: <<Can a person develop allergy to meds. after being used to taking it for sometime? Why?>> Well, some of the people where I work said that, yes, that can happen as they have had relatives or friends that that has happened too. No one seems to know why, though. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Marilyn Wrote: <<I'm developing rashes to my carbimazole. Should I ignore the red rashes on my chest and continue to take the med? I think I developed already an affinity with it that I don't like to change, I seem to respond with it well...>> Have you checked the sheet that comes with your med - for possible side effects? If you did and it doesn't mention your particular one, why not check with your doctor, you may not have to change the med. The doc may simply adjust your dosage. When they've got a good thing going I don't think he or she will want to change your med any more than you do. <big grin> By the way, are you *sure* it's the med? Sometimes stuff happens and we think it's related when it's not ... I'll never forget the time I went out in the woods and later developed a fever, chills, and was sick with something. I noticed I had a faint red rash on my back and chest so I went to the doc and he thought it was related to my illness. But guess what? During my forest trek I had brushed against a plant. You can guess the rest but there's *still* another surprise. By the time things had escalated to angry red welts on the top of my foot working up my leg and I made a trip back to the doc, it turned out that the plant I brushed against wasn't poison oak or sumac or any of the common poisonous plants at all. The doc told me that I had an allergic reaction to this particular plant which was nonpoisonous to anyone else. So sometimes are bouts of logic are legit and sometimes not. <laughing out loud> Warmly, Denim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2001 Report Share Posted February 26, 2001 Marilyn, With allergy, the cumulative effect can make an allergy worse. This is why those of us with food allergy use the " rotation diet " to keep from developing more allergy from having the same food over and over. I don't know specifically why it happens. Please check with your dr ASAP. It may be nothing, but I'd worry about it getting to anaphlaxis (spelling?). Marcia hyperthyroidism wrote: __ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 07:27:23 -0800 (PST) From: marilyn manzo Subject: allergy CAn a person develop allergy to medz after being used to taking it for sometime? Why? I'm developing rashes to my carbimazole. Should I ignore the red rashes on my chest and continue to take the med? I think I developed already an affinity with it that I don't like to change, I seem to rspond with it well... marilyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2001 Report Share Posted February 27, 2001 Many allergies are triggered by exercise. Called " exercise induced allergies, " they occur with food or drugs. In my case I can eat cooked celery with no problems. If I eat celery before aerobics, though, I have exercise-induced allergic symptoms, including hives, that have twice led to anaphylaxis. I've also had this happen with bee pollen. Some asthmatics have this problem too and only experience drug or food induced wheezing attacks after excersing. You may just have to time your dose so it's as far apart as possible from the time you exercise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2001 Report Share Posted February 27, 2001 I don't know why, when I take the med in the morning.. no rash.. when I take it after running round the oval and after 4hours past that exercise, the rashes appear... for me it's just a little itch, but I'll observe some more.. thanks.. --- marcia21@... wrote: > Marilyn, > With allergy, the cumulative effect can make an > allergy worse. This is why those of us with food > allergy use the " rotation diet " to keep from > developing more allergy from having the same food > over and over. I don't know specifically why it > happens. Please check with your dr ASAP. It may be > nothing, but I'd worry about it getting to > anaphlaxis (spelling?). > Marcia > > > hyperthyroidism wrote: > __ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 07:27:23 -0800 (PST) > From: marilyn manzo > Subject: allergy > > CAn a person develop allergy to medz after being > used > to taking it for sometime? Why? > > I'm developing rashes to my carbimazole. Should I > ignore the red rashes on my chest and continue to > take > the med? I think I developed already an affinity > with > it that I don't like to change, I seem to rspond > with > it well... > > marilyn > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2001 Report Share Posted February 27, 2001 I don't know why, when I take the med in the morning.. no rash.. when I take it after running round the oval and after 4hours past that exercise, the rashes appear... for me it's just a little itch, but I'll observe some more.. thanks.. marilyn --- marcia21@... wrote: > Marilyn, > With allergy, the cumulative effect can make an > allergy worse. This is why those of us with food > allergy use the " rotation diet " to keep from > developing more allergy from having the same food > over and over. I don't know specifically why it > happens. Please check with your dr ASAP. It may be > nothing, but I'd worry about it getting to > anaphlaxis (spelling?). > Marcia > > > hyperthyroidism wrote: > __ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 07:27:23 -0800 (PST) > From: marilyn manzo > Subject: allergy > > CAn a person develop allergy to medz after being > used > to taking it for sometime? Why? > > I'm developing rashes to my carbimazole. Should I > ignore the red rashes on my chest and continue to > take > the med? I think I developed already an affinity > with > it that I don't like to change, I seem to rspond > with > it well... > > marilyn > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2001 Report Share Posted February 28, 2001 Thanks, Marilyn. Now that I know what I need to avoid, I haven't had problems for some time. I also take Singulair and use Beconase to temper my allergic response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2001 Report Share Posted February 28, 2001 Thanks Elaine, I've never heard of drug-induced allergies before but most probably mine is. Since I can't exercise most often, I only saw the rashes come out twice and those were after the exercise. I hope yours doesn't bother you much now. marilyn --- daisyelaine@... wrote: > Many allergies are triggered by exercise. Called > " exercise induced > allergies, " they occur with food or drugs. In my > case I can eat cooked celery > with no problems. If I eat celery before aerobics, > though, I have > exercise-induced allergic symptoms, including hives, > that have twice led to > anaphylaxis. I've also had this happen with bee > pollen. Some asthmatics have > this problem too and only experience drug or food > induced wheezing attacks > after excersing. You may just have to time your dose > so it's as far apart as > possible from the time you exercise. > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2001 Report Share Posted February 28, 2001 Marilyn It could be a reaction to your perspiration - and not related to the medication at all.... marilyn manzo wrote: > I don't know why, when I take the med in the morning.. > no rash.. when I take it after running round the oval > and after 4hours past that exercise, the rashes > appear... for me it's just a little itch, but I'll > observe some more.. thanks.. marilyn > > --- marcia21@... wrote: > > Marilyn, > > With allergy, the cumulative effect can make an > > allergy worse. This is why those of us with food > > allergy use the " rotation diet " to keep from > > developing more allergy from having the same food > > over and over. I don't know specifically why it > > happens. Please check with your dr ASAP. It may be > > nothing, but I'd worry about it getting to > > anaphlaxis (spelling?). > > Marcia > > > > > > hyperthyroidism wrote: > > __ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 07:27:23 -0800 (PST) > > From: marilyn manzo > > Subject: allergy > > > > CAn a person develop allergy to medz after being > > used > > to taking it for sometime? Why? > > > > I'm developing rashes to my carbimazole. Should I > > ignore the red rashes on my chest and continue to > > take > > the med? I think I developed already an affinity > > with > > it that I don't like to change, I seem to rspond > > with > > it well... > > > > marilyn > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 Dr. Goldburg makes me give my little guy 1 teaspoon of claritan 24hres every night before bed this helps alot. sue1jeff2001 <jeffb@...> wrote: my 5 year old wakes up with a little bit f congestion in the morning, later in the day it turns runny. shoul di use a decongestant or antihistamine ? dimetapp has a product with both. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 I have a 7 and 4 year old, my 7 year old has really bad allergies. They manifest in seizures and stomach problems. We had his histamine checked during stomach aches and seizures and found his levels to be really high. His allergies are cyclical and last time his pedi who is somewhat willing to try different things told us to give him benadryl and pepcid to block the histamine, sounds strange but 4 days of seizures and stomach aches ceased within one hour of giving him his first dose of both meds. Other doctors look at me very strange when I tell them, those of us with these kids are just too wigged out for the mainstream. I sometimes wish a doctor would say if it worked for your son then that is a move in the right direction. TAMMY <tammyblanchette2002@...> wrote:Dr. Goldburg makes me give my little guy 1 teaspoon of claritan 24hres every night before bed this helps alot. sue1jeff2001 <jeffb@...> wrote: my 5 year old wakes up with a little bit f congestion in the morning, later in the day it turns runny. shoul di use a decongestant or antihistamine ? dimetapp has a product with both. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 Dr G suggested to us last winter to use Triaminic Nighttime. It has a decongestant antihistamine and cough suppressant, and it allows the little ones to sleep. > my 5 year old wakes up with a little bit f congestion in the morning, > later in the day it turns runny. shoul di use a decongestant or > antihistamine ? dimetapp has a product with both. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 In a message dated 11/14/03 9:46:10 AM Central Standard Time, tparker82@... writes: > I had my son's allergies removed with a western noninvasive technique > called NAET. Both my son and I have also had numerous allergies cleared with NAET -- or rather a combo of NAET and TBM that our doc uses. We've not only seen a disappearance of previous symptoms from various foods and inhalants, but also saw changes in IgE and IgG blood work and in p/n allergy testing results. However, my son's EOS counts and CD3 and CD4 numbers are still really high. Since we didn't run the CDs prior to the NAET/TBM, I have no reference range, but the EOS numbers have remained fairly consistently high no matter how healthy he seems or how many foods we remove. Did you test your child's EOS (on a CBC) prior to NAET and more recently? Gaylen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 I had my son's allergies removed with a western noninvasive technique called NAET. It sounds weird but it worked. A lot of behavioral improvements as we removed 39 allergies. They also tested him for sensitivities to meds and cleared him of those. They have a protocol of clearing and they treated him for 2 allergies per week. So it took about 20 weeks. They have a website with info. and a list of practitioners. It seems like voodoo but my son had his first formed stools in his life afterwards and used called the doctor by his name when he wasn't using names. Good luck. Re: allergy I have a 7 and 4 year old, my 7 year old has really bad allergies. They manifest in seizures and stomach problems. We had his histamine checked during stomach aches and seizures and found his levels to be really high. His allergies are cyclical and last time his pedi who is somewhat willing to try different things told us to give him benadryl and pepcid to block the histamine, sounds strange but 4 days of seizures and stomach aches ceased within one hour of giving him his first dose of both meds. Other doctors look at me very strange when I tell them, those of us with these kids are just too wigged out for the mainstream. I sometimes wish a doctor would say if it worked for your son then that is a move in the right direction. TAMMY <tammyblanchette2002@...> wrote:Dr. Goldburg makes me give my little guy 1 teaspoon of claritan 24hres every night before bed this helps alot. sue1jeff2001 <jeffb@...> wrote: my 5 year old wakes up with a little bit f congestion in the morning, later in the day it turns runny. shoul di use a decongestant or antihistamine ? dimetapp has a product with both. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 > my 5 year old wakes up with a little bit f congestion in the morning, > later in the day it turns runny. shoul di use a decongestant or > antihistamine ? dimetapp has a product with both. thanks > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 Where can I find the website info. Can you give me a link to it? >From: " Tracey " <tparker82@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: Re: allergy >Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:20:54 -0500 > >I had my son's allergies removed with a western noninvasive technique >called NAET. It sounds weird but it worked. A lot of behavioral >improvements as we removed 39 allergies. They also tested him for >sensitivities to meds and cleared him of those. They have a protocol of >clearing and they treated him for 2 allergies per week. So it took about >20 weeks. They have a website with info. and a list of practitioners. It >seems like voodoo but my son had his first formed stools in his life >afterwards and used called the doctor by his name when he wasn't using >names. Good luck. > Re: allergy > > > I have a 7 and 4 year old, my 7 year old has really bad allergies. They >manifest in seizures and stomach problems. We had his histamine checked >during stomach aches and seizures and found his levels to be really high. >His allergies are cyclical and last time his pedi who is somewhat willing >to try different things told us to give him benadryl and pepcid to block >the histamine, sounds strange but 4 days of seizures and stomach aches >ceased within one hour of giving him his first dose of both meds. Other >doctors look at me very strange when I tell them, those of us with these >kids are just too wigged out for the mainstream. I sometimes wish a doctor >would say if it worked for your son then that is a move in the right >direction. > > TAMMY <tammyblanchette2002@...> wrote:Dr. Goldburg makes me give my >little guy 1 teaspoon of claritan 24hres every night before bed this helps >alot. > > > sue1jeff2001 <jeffb@...> wrote: > my 5 year old wakes up with a little bit f congestion in the morning, > later in the day it turns runny. shoul di use a decongestant or > antihistamine ? dimetapp has a product with both. thanks > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 Bella, Dr. Devi S. Nambudripad, D.C., L.Ac., R.N., Ph.D. is the author of a book called " Say Good-Bye to Allergy-Related Autism. She is the person that came up with NAET. (My niece gave me this book about a year ago...I still have not made time to read it). I think she uses alternative medicine, and kinesiology, so you may want to check with Dr. Golberg before you start any treatments that may conflict with the protocol. Good luck! Re: allergy >Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:20:54 -0500 > >I had my son's allergies removed with a western noninvasive technique >called NAET. It sounds weird but it worked. A lot of behavioral >improvements as we removed 39 allergies. They also tested him for >sensitivities to meds and cleared him of those. They have a protocol of >clearing and they treated him for 2 allergies per week. So it took about >20 weeks. They have a website with info. and a list of practitioners. It >seems like voodoo but my son had his first formed stools in his life >afterwards and used called the doctor by his name when he wasn't using >names. Good luck. ===MESSAGE THREAD TRUNCATED=== Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with the original author, and is not necessarily endorsed by or the opinion of the Research Institute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 What are NAET & TBM????? Thanks Audra in Louisiana >From: Googahly@... >Reply- > >Subject: Re: allergy >Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:05:06 EST > >In a message dated 11/14/03 9:46:10 AM Central Standard Time, >tparker82@... writes: > > > > I had my son's allergies removed with a western noninvasive technique > > called NAET. > >Both my son and I have also had numerous allergies cleared with NAET -- or >rather a combo of NAET and TBM that our doc uses. We've not only seen a >disappearance of previous symptoms from various foods and inhalants, but >also saw >changes in IgE and IgG blood work and in p/n allergy testing results. >However, >my son's EOS counts and CD3 and CD4 numbers are still really high. Since >we >didn't run the CDs prior to the NAET/TBM, I have no reference range, but >the EOS >numbers have remained fairly consistently high no matter how healthy he >seems >or how many foods we remove. Did you test your child's EOS (on a CBC) >prior >to NAET and more recently? >Gaylen > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 Thanks a lot. I have an appointment with him next week and I will check it out. >From: " golivo " <golivo@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: Re: allergy >Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:09:35 -0800 > >Bella, > >Dr. Devi S. Nambudripad, D.C., L.Ac., R.N., Ph.D. is the author of a book >called " Say Good-Bye to Allergy-Related Autism. She is the person that >came up with NAET. (My niece gave me this book about a year ago...I still >have not made time to read it). >I think she uses alternative medicine, and kinesiology, so you may want to >check with Dr. Golberg before you start any treatments that may conflict >with the protocol. > >Good luck! > Re: allergy > >Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:20:54 -0500 > > > >I had my son's allergies removed with a western noninvasive technique > >called NAET. It sounds weird but it worked. A lot of behavioral > >improvements as we removed 39 allergies. They also tested him for > >sensitivities to meds and cleared him of those. They have a protocol >of > >clearing and they treated him for 2 allergies per week. So it took >about > >20 weeks. They have a website with info. and a list of practitioners. >It > >seems like voodoo but my son had his first formed stools in his life > >afterwards and used called the doctor by his name when he wasn't using > >names. Good luck. > >===MESSAGE THREAD TRUNCATED=== > > Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with > the original author, and is not necessarily endorsed by or the > opinion of the Research Institute. > > _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 I saw changes in IgE and IgG. I Do still avoid gluten and dairy because of their opiate effect. I think it helped immensely with meds and environmental sensitivities. Re: allergy In a message dated 11/14/03 9:46:10 AM Central Standard Time, tparker82@... writes: > I had my son's allergies removed with a western noninvasive technique > called NAET. Both my son and I have also had numerous allergies cleared with NAET -- or rather a combo of NAET and TBM that our doc uses. We've not only seen a disappearance of previous symptoms from various foods and inhalants, but also saw changes in IgE and IgG blood work and in p/n allergy testing results. However, my son's EOS counts and CD3 and CD4 numbers are still really high. Since we didn't run the CDs prior to the NAET/TBM, I have no reference range, but the EOS numbers have remained fairly consistently high no matter how healthy he seems or how many foods we remove. Did you test your child's EOS (on a CBC) prior to NAET and more recently? Gaylen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 www.naet.com You can also do a search on naet and will find other info. I don't know why any doctor would find fault with this. Their are no needles or drugs. They simply do massage on meridian points. I mentioned in another post that I still advocate GFCF diet unless your labs show opiate effect is not a problem. I also failed to mention that my son's dark under eye circles went away and energy went way up. Most doctors I talked to said they did not see how it could work but would not hurt. A friend of mine also treated her son with naet with great results and no longer does diet with her son. Her father in law also tried it with a life threatening allergy to shellfish and now consumes all the shellfish he wants! Re: allergy > > > I have a 7 and 4 year old, my 7 year old has really bad allergies. They >manifest in seizures and stomach problems. We had his histamine checked >during stomach aches and seizures and found his levels to be really high. >His allergies are cyclical and last time his pedi who is somewhat willing >to try different things told us to give him benadryl and pepcid to block >the histamine, sounds strange but 4 days of seizures and stomach aches >ceased within one hour of giving him his first dose of both meds. Other >doctors look at me very strange when I tell them, those of us with these >kids are just too wigged out for the mainstream. I sometimes wish a doctor >would say if it worked for your son then that is a move in the right >direction. > > TAMMY <tammyblanchette2002@...> wrote:Dr. Goldburg makes me give my >little guy 1 teaspoon of claritan 24hres every night before bed this helps >alot. > > > sue1jeff2001 <jeffb@...> wrote: > my 5 year old wakes up with a little bit f congestion in the morning, > later in the day it turns runny. shoul di use a decongestant or > antihistamine ? dimetapp has a product with both. thanks > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 Some already know this....for others it may come as a surprise. NAET was one of the alternative treatments we tried prior to finding Dr. G. I was open to anything that could help, as long as I knew it couldn't hurt. I even called Devi for a recommendation. I wanted to find someone very experienced and there was nobody in my area doing this . I completely committed to the treatment. You'd have to in order to travel several hours, one-way, a couple times a week, for months and months. We also were working with two of the best according to Devi. One was an M.D., the other was oriental medicine. The M.D. was a little further away, so we saw her about once a month. It gave us the added benefit of seeing if there was agreement on what had cleared. Those who have experience with this type of treatment will have a good idea what we committed $$$-wise.... clearing over 40 items. For whatever reason, we had no long term benefits. The symptoms and bloodtests indicated that his immune system was still reacting to everything he'd been treated for. Our experience doesn't necessarily mean that someone else can't have a positive experience. At least with this type of alternative treatment there doesn't appear to be any dangers/potential damage involved. The only potential negative (in my opinion) is time and money since you have to commit to it if you go that route. Cheryl P.S.- the opiate effect was a theory. Research is showing immune reactions. ----Original Message Follows---- From: " Tracey " <tparker82@...> Reply- < > Subject: Re: allergy Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:54:30 -0500 I saw changes in IgE and IgG. I Do still avoid gluten and dairy because of their opiate effect. I think it helped immensely with meds and environmental sensitivities. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Shopping upgraded for the holidays! Snappier product search... http://shopping.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 > Some already know this....for others it may come as a surprise. > > NAET was one of the alternative treatments we tried prior to finding Dr. G. > I was open to anything that could help, as long as I knew it couldn't hurt. > I even called Devi for a recommendation. I wanted to find someone very > experienced and there was nobody in my area doing this . > > I completely committed to the treatment. You'd have to in order to travel > several hours, one-way, a couple times a week, for months and months. We > also were working with two of the best according to Devi. One was an M.D., > the other was oriental medicine. The M.D. was a little further away, so we > saw her about once a month. It gave us the added benefit of seeing if there > was agreement on what had cleared. > > Those who have experience with this type of treatment will have a good idea > what we committed $$$-wise.... clearing over 40 items. > > For whatever reason, we had no long term benefits. The symptoms and > bloodtests indicated that his immune system was still reacting to > everything he'd been treated for. > > Our experience doesn't necessarily mean that someone else can't have a > positive experience. At least with this type of alternative treatment there > doesn't appear to be any dangers/potential damage involved. The only > potential negative (in my opinion) is time and money since you have to > commit to it if you go that route. > Cheryl > > P.S.- the opiate effect was a theory. Research is showing immune reactions. > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: " Tracey " <tparker82@n...> > Reply- > < > > Subject: Re: allergy > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:54:30 -0500 > > I saw changes in IgE and IgG. I Do still avoid gluten and dairy because of > their opiate effect. I think it helped immensely with meds and > environmental sensitivities. > what do u mean by your ps? > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Shopping upgraded for the holidays! Snappier product search... > http://shopping.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2003 Report Share Posted November 15, 2003 Sorry you had no long term benefit for your efforts. Opiate effect is based on lab work conducted by Dr. Cave from AAL Lab urinary polypeptide test. When we saw Dr. Cave she felt diet was still important but I produced labs showing no allergies to Ige, IgA, or IGG. The polypeptide test showed me he needed the diet. He had one goldfish this summer and was a totally different child. High as a kite and unsafe in his judgement which had is normally good. > Some already know this....for others it may come as a surprise. > > NAET was one of the alternative treatments we tried prior to finding Dr. G. > I was open to anything that could help, as long as I knew it couldn't hurt. > I even called Devi for a recommendation. I wanted to find someone very > experienced and there was nobody in my area doing this . > > I completely committed to the treatment. You'd have to in order to travel > several hours, one-way, a couple times a week, for months and months. We > also were working with two of the best according to Devi. One was an M.D., > the other was oriental medicine. The M.D. was a little further away, so we > saw her about once a month. It gave us the added benefit of seeing if there > was agreement on what had cleared. > > Those who have experience with this type of treatment will have a good idea > what we committed $$$-wise.... clearing over 40 items. > > For whatever reason, we had no long term benefits. The symptoms and > bloodtests indicated that his immune system was still reacting to > everything he'd been treated for. > > Our experience doesn't necessarily mean that someone else can't have a > positive experience. At least with this type of alternative treatment there > doesn't appear to be any dangers/potential damage involved. The only > potential negative (in my opinion) is time and money since you have to > commit to it if you go that route. > Cheryl > > P.S.- the opiate effect was a theory. Research is showing immune reactions. > Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with the original author, and is not necessarily endorsed by or the opinion of the Research Institute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2003 Report Share Posted November 15, 2003 ----Original Message Follows---- From: " Tracey " <tparker82@...> Reply- < > Subject: Re: Re: allergy Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:35:32 -0500 >Sorry you had no long term benefit for your efforts. Opiate effect is >based on lab work conducted by Dr. Cave from AAL Lab urinary >polypeptide test. When we saw Dr. Cave she felt diet was still >important >but I produced labs showing no allergies to Ige, IgA, or IGG. The >polypeptide test showed me he needed the diet. He had one goldfish this >summer and was a totally different child. High as a kite and unsafe in his >judgement which had is normally good. Hi Tracey, I put together a collection to help explain my comment. If you look back over the past 5-10 years, a lot has changed. When we first became patients of Dr. Goldberg I remember not seeing too many others involved with autism discussing things like neuroimmune, cytokines, etc. From what I can gather, the opioid theory evolved due to a combination of findings. The tests I found at AAL, GPL, and discussions from Dr. Cave all seem to go back to older research when they were trying to connect the brain dysfunction, reactions to dietary factors, and the urinary findings. And how to tie this together with the reason they felt these problems were occuring. I'm assuming the opioid part was because at one time it was believed that D-amino acids had to come from an exogenous source and opioids contain D-amino acids. As you'll see below, the same urinary and serum findings have been discussed in Lupus. Great Plains has references linking the same findings in autism and Schizophrenia. There are a ton of abstracts listed in our files section on schizophrenia and lupus that discuss the immune system, infections, etc. like the abstracts listed below on autism. I've also posted quite a lot on immune activation and tryptophan metabolism. (can be found in files section or by doing a search under 1raptor ) Hope that helps Cheryl ---------------------------------- (this is from an article on Dr. Cave's theory) " In addition, the children combine casein from dairy protein and gluten from wheat, oats, barley, and rye to naturally occurring morphine in the body. These gliadomorphin and casomorphin peptides make the children spacey and irritable. The enzyme DPPIV that would normally break down these peptides and eliminate them is inactivated by mercury and heavy metals. Subsequently, these children have higher levels of morphines in the body. " --------------------------------------------- http://www.antibodyassay.com/index.htm choose urinary peptides and IAG #6500 http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/glutencasein.html Dohan, F.C. " Schizophrenia: possible relationship to cereal grains and celiac disease. In: S. Sankar, ed, Schizophrenia: Current Concepts and Research. PJD Publications, Hicksville, NY, 1969 Page 539. Dohan, F. C. " The possible pathogenic effect of cereal grains in schizophrenia--Celiac disease as a model. " Acta Neurol. 31:195, 1976. Dohan, F. C. et al. " Relapsed schizophrenics. More rapid improvement on a milk and cereal-free diet. " Br. J. Psychiatry 115:595, 1969. Kinivsberg, A. et al. " Dietary Intervention in Autistic Syndromes. " Brain Dysfunction 3: 315-327, 1990. Reichelt K. et al. " Gluten, mil proteins and autism: dietary intervention effects on behavior and peptide secretions. " Journ of Applied Nutrition 42:1-11, 1990. Reichelt K. et al. " Biologically active peptide-containing fractions in schizophrenia and childhood autism. " Adv Biochem Psychopharmacol 28:627-47, 1981. ------------------------------------------------------------- Genetic and physiological data implicating the new human gene G72 and the gene for D-amino acid oxidase in schizophrenia. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2002 Oct 15;99(21):13675-80. Epub 2002 Oct 03. Erratum in: Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A 2002 Dec 24;99(26):17221. PMID: 12364586 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] ------------------------ Cloninger CR. Related Articles, Links The discovery of susceptibility genes for mental disorders. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2002 Oct 15;99(21):13365-7. Epub 2002 Oct 08. Review. No abstract available. PMID: 12374853 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] ------------------------- Orig Life Evol Biosph. 2002 Apr;32(2):103-27. Related Articles, Links D-amino acids in living higher organisms. Fujii N. Research Reactor Institute, Kyote University Kumatori, Sennan, Osaka, Japan. nfujii@... The homochirality of biological amino acids (L-amino acids) and of the RNA/DNA backbone (D-ribose) might have become established before the origin of life. It has been considered that D-amino acids and L-sugars were eliminated on the primitive Earth. Therefore, the presence and function of D-amino acids in living organisms have not been studied except for D-amino acids in the cell walls of microorganisms. However, D-amino acids were recently found in various living higher organisms in the form of free amino acids, peptides, and proteins. Free D-aspartate and D-serine are present and may have important physiological functions in mammals. D-amino acids in peptides are well known as opioid peptides and neuropeptides. In protein, D-aspartate residues increase during aging. This review deals with recent advances in the study of D-amino acids in higher organisms. Publication Types: Review Review, Tutorial PMID: 12185671 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] -------------------------------- FEBS Lett. 2003 Sep 25;552(2-3):95-8. Related Articles, Links D-Amino acids and D-Tyr-tRNA(Tyr) deacylase: stereospecificity of the translation machine revisited. Yang H, Zheng G, Peng X, Qiang B, Yuan J. Institute of Basic Medical Sciences, Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences and Peking Union Medical College, 5 Dong Dan San Tiao, 100005 Beijing, PR China. Until 30 years ago, it had been considered that D-amino acids were excluded from living systems except for D-amino acids in the cell wall of microorganisms. However, D-amino acids, in the form of free amino acids, peptides and proteins, were recently detected in various living organisms from bacteria to mammals. The extensive distribution of bio-functional D-amino acids challenges the current concept of protein synthesis: more attention should be paid to the stereospecificity of the translation machine. Besides aminoacyl-tRNA synthetases, elongation factor Tu and some other mechanisms, D-Tyr-tRNA(Tyr) deacylases provide a novel checkpoint since they specifically recycle misaminoacylated D-Tyr-tRNA(Tyr) and some other D-aminoacyl-tRNAs. Their unique structure represents a new class of tRNA-dependent hydrolase. These unexpected findings have far-reaching implications for our understanding of protein synthesis and its origin. Publication Types: Review Review, Tutorial PMID: 14527667 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] ------------------------------------------------ Dev Med Child Neurol. 2003 Feb;45(2):121-8. Related Articles, Links Comment in: Dev Med Child Neurol. 2003 Feb;45(2):75. Opioid peptides and dipeptidyl peptidase in autism. Hunter LC, O'Hare A, Herron WJ, Fisher LA, GE. YAbA Ltd, Logan Building, Roslin Biocentre, Midlothian, UK. It has been hypothesized that autism results from an 'opioid peptide excess'. The aims of this study were to (1) confirm the presence of opioid peptides in the urine of children with autism and (2) determine whether dipeptidyl peptidase IV (DPPIV/CD26) is defective in children with autism. Opioid peptides were not detected in either the urine of children with autism (10 children; nine males, one female; age range 2 years 6 months to 10 years 1 month) or their siblings (10 children; seven males, three females; age range 2 years 3 months to 12 years 7 months) using liquid chromatography-ultraviolet-mass spectrometric analysis (LC-UV-MS). Plasma from 11 normally developing adults (25 years 5 months to 55 years 5 months) was also tested. The amount and activity of DPPIV in the plasma were quantified by an ELISA and DPPIV enzyme assay respectively; DPPIV was not found to be defective. The percentage of mononuclear cells expressing DPPIV (as CD26) was determined by flow cytometry. Children with autism had a significantly lower percentage of cells expressing CD3 and CD26, suggesting that they had lower T-cell numbers than their siblings. In conclusion, this study failed to replicate the findings of others and questions the validity of the opioid peptide excess theory for the cause of autism. PMID: 12578238 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] --------------------------------------------- J Rheumatol. 2002 Sep;29(9):1858-66. Related Articles, Links Reduction of serum soluble CD26/dipeptidyl peptidase IV enzyme activity and its correlation with disease activity in systemic lupus erythematosus. Kobayashi H, Hosono O, Mimori T, Kawasaki H, Dang NH, Tanaka H, Morimoto C. Division of Clinical Immunology, Advanced Clinical Research Center, Institute of Medical Science, University of Tokyo, Japan. OBJECTIVE: CD26 is the cell surface activation antigen with dipeptidyl peptidase IV (DPPIV) enzyme activity at the extracellular domain that is preferentially expressed on memory T cells and has a role in T cell immune responses. The soluble form of CD26 is present in serum and recombinant soluble CD26 (rsCD26) can enhance in vitro antigen-specific T cell responses. To determine the role of soluble CD26 (sCD26) in the pathophysiology of patients with systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE), we measured levels of sCD26 and its specific DPPIV activity in serum. METHODS: Serum sCD26 levels and DPPIV activity were measured by sandwich ELISA in 53 patients with SLE and 54 healthy controls. Serum sCD26 was identified by immunoprecipitation and immunoblot analysis. Expression of CD26 on T cells was analyzed by flow cytometry. RESULTS: Serum levels of sCD26 and its specific DPPIV activity were significantly decreased in SLE and were inversely correlated with SLE disease activity index score, but not with clinical variables or clinical subsets of SLE. Close correlation between sCD26/DPPIV and disease activity was observed in the longitudinal study. CONCLUSION: Serum levels of sCD26 may be involved in the pathophysiology of SLE, and appear to be useful as a new disease activity measure for SLE. PMID: 12233879 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] ---------------------------------------- Bull G, Shattock P, Whiteley P, R, Groundwater PW, Lough JW, Lees G. Related Articles, Indolyl-3-acryloylglycine (IAG) is a putative diagnostic urinary marker for autism spectrum disorders. Med Sci Monit. 2003 Oct;9(10):CR422-5. PMID: 14523330 [PubMed - in process] ------------------------------ Clin Chim Acta. 1975 Nov 3;64(3):273-80. Related Articles, Links Urinary excretion of indolyl-3-acryloylglycine in some skin affections. Marklova E, Malina L, Hais IM. 1. Urinary excretion of indolyl-3-acryloylglycine (chromogen of the so-called Kimmig's light band) in 15 normal subjects was highly significantly increased in June-September ( " summer " ) against the November-April ( " winter " ) collection in the same subjects. Possible explanation of this phenomenon is discussed. 2. In the " winter " period, the mean of 23 patients with chronic polymorphous light eruption was significantly higher than the mean of the 29 controls. In the " summer " period, though an increaes of the average against " winter " was also noted, this difference against the control group (29) disappeared. 3. In 24 patients with skin tuberculosis the mean excretion in " winter " was significantly higher than in controls. This increase cannot be simply attributed to heliotherapy. 4. In " winter " , there was no significant difference between the normal subjects and 12 patients with lupus erythematosus and 10 patients with porphyria cutanea tarda. In both these groups there was marked " summer " increase in excretion, though in the case of porphyria cutanea tarda, the " summer " mean was significantly lower than that of the controls. 5. All results were expressed on creatinine basis. In part of the subjects it was possible to calculate the excretion per unit time. Identical conclusions could be drawn. PMID: 1183041 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ----------------------------------------------- Neurobiol Dis. 2002 Mar;9(2):107-25. Related Articles, Links Erratum in: Neurobiol Dis 2002 Jun;10(1):69. Genetic and immunologic considerations in autism. Korvatska E, Van de Water J, Anders TF, Gershwin ME. Division of Rheumatology, Allergy, and Clinical Immunology, University of California at , , California 95616, USA. According to recent epidemiological surveys, autistic spectrum disorders have become recognized as common childhood psychopathologies. These life-lasting conditions demonstrate a strong genetic determinant consistent with a polygenic mode of inheritance for which several autism susceptibility regions have been identified. Parallel evidence of immune abnormalities in autistic patients argues for an implication of the immune system in pathogenesis. This review summarizes advances in the molecular genetics of autism, as well as recently emerging concerns addressing the disease incidence and triggering factors. The neurochemical and immunologic findings are analyzed in the context of a neuroimmune hypothesis for autism. 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Guest guest Posted November 16, 2003 Report Share Posted November 16, 2003 Thanks for the info. I have tried enzymes Houston and Kirkman and don't see much help. For my son " theory " seems to make sense. Are you doing diet? Do you feel there is value in enzymes and if so how do you dose and which brand do you like. I am new to this site but am interested in lots of different viewpoints. I follow my instincts, keep my ear to the ground and discuss options with our Dan doctor. I also find Dorfman really insightful. Did you try AIT? Our son benefited a great deal from this therapy. He loves the computer and I am considering earobics or Fast Foreword. I would love input from anyone who has experience. Thanks again. Re: Re: allergy Hi Tracey, I put together a collection to help explain my comment. If you look back over the past 5-10 years, a lot has changed. When we first became patients of Dr. Goldberg I remember not seeing too many others involved with autism discussing things like neuroimmune, cytokines, etc. From what I can gather, the opioid theory evolved due to a combination of findings. The tests I found at AAL, GPL, and discussions from Dr. Cave all seem to go back to older research when they were trying to connect the brain dysfunction, reactions to dietary factors, and the urinary findings. And how to tie this together with the reason they felt these problems were occuring. I'm assuming the opioid part was because at one time it was believed that D-amino acids had to come from an exogenous source and opioids contain D-amino acids. As you'll see below, the same urinary and serum findings have been discussed in Lupus. Great Plains has references linking the same findings in autism and Schizophrenia. There are a ton of abstracts listed in our files section on schizophrenia and lupus that discuss the immune system, infections, etc. like the abstracts listed below on autism. I've also posted quite a lot on immune activation and tryptophan metabolism. (can be found in files section or by doing a search under 1raptor ) Hope that helps Cheryl MESSAGE TRUNCATED>>> Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with the original author, and is not necessarily endorsed by or the opinion of the Research Institute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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