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I have a Freedom in one ear and a Med-El in the other ear. My Med-El

has done this twice over the past 6.5 years. Both times the problem

was in the battery case. The contacts, or whatever you call them, went

bad. It behaved exactly as you described.

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Kat

It can't be fixed.

The whole implanted part has to be removed,

I am waiting for a CI version before replacing it,

as I never understand much with the CI in the first place.

L-deafened

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Yes I had the same problem, it's starteda you outline

and withing 2 weeks the system went back to silence.

The Doctor said moisture in the implanted part was the culprit.

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I am very sorry for your distress. I would be very upset if this

occured to me, two weeks after activation, moisture getting inside the

internal CI. I might have missed your earlier post, but what implant

did you get?

Chris

On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Ismael Varga <ahmeva@...> wrote:

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> Kat

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> It can't be fixed.

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> The whole implanted part has to be removed,

> I am waiting for a CI version before replacing it,

> as I never understand much with the CI in the first place.

>

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> L-deafened

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> Yes I had the same problem, it's starteda you outline

> and withing 2 weeks the system went back to silence.

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> The Doctor said moisture in the implanted part was the culprit.

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> L- deafened

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Hi

I had that - cutting in and off all morning, then suddenly silence by

lunchtime - then just shocking sensations. All was due to internal

implant failure (moisture in the internal implant). I have the MEd-

El, this was the COmbi C40+...

Had to be re-implanted, now with newer internal implant (Pulsar CI

100) and had an upgrade from Tempo+ BTE to OPUS 2 BTE 6 mths post re-

implant.

You'll need to see the CI Team, then have extensive tests by the

manuafactuer - to confirm failure if neccesary.

If thats the case, the +ve thing is you'll be re-implanted with

latest implant/processor. IF I didn't have the failure then I'd won't

be using the OPUS 2.

Hoep this helps - it is horrible, I know, but you can get thru it.

>

> The past 2 days my over the ear processor has stopped working... It

sounds like it is shorting out as it just keeps going off and on...

I have tried replacing the ear piece, the battery but nothing is

changing the problem.. Has anyone else had this problem.. I tried the

bwp to see if it did the same but that seems to be working fine..

Hoping that my audio can see me today to try to find out what is

happening here..

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Sorry to hear of your distress. Where did you have your surgery ?

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> Kat

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> It can't be fixed.

>

> The whole implanted part has to be removed,

> I am waiting for a CI version before replacing it,

> as I never understand much with the CI in the first place.

>

>

> L-deafened

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> Re: NOT WORKING

>

>

>

> Yes I had the same problem, it's starteda you outline

> and withing 2 weeks the system went back to silence.

>

> The Doctor said moisture in the implanted part was the culprit.

>

>

> L- deafened

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In another group I posted about my implant cutting in/out that

started doing it last summer that I had to keep going back to Audie

to increase the RF and change some maps to stop cutting in out.

But around Decemeber it finally cut in/out so bad and last month it

gotten worse that I could no longer maintain stable audio. Last week

a rep from AB came by to my audie office and she determined that I

have an implant failure.

So they set me up a surgery date to have it replaced. I was first

implanted 4 year ago and during that time I was told that there were

bad batch with bad sealant allowing mostiures to get into the interal

implant but it was highly unlikly I had the one of those bad batch

implant.

Now it turn out that I do have one of those bad batch implant and

will need it to be replaced.

Well at least I will be getting the newest one now and hopefully they

seal it better this time. I don't know if it an upgrade over my 4

year old implant or it the same circuity.

I know it sucks having to do all those surgery and recovering deal

but I like my CI better than my hearing aids that I am willing to

tolerate it all again.

Bill

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> > The past 2 days my over the ear processor has stopped working...

It

> sounds like it is shorting out as it just keeps going off and on...

> I have tried replacing the ear piece, the battery but nothing is

> changing the problem.. Has anyone else had this problem.. I tried

the

> bwp to see if it did the same but that seems to be working fine..

> Hoping that my audio can see me today to try to find out what is

> happening here..

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I'm sorry to hear that - do they know why there was so much moisture in the

implant?

Kat

From: Ismael Varga

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Subject: Re: NOT WORKING

Kat

It can't be fixed.

The whole implanted part has to be removed,

I am waiting for a CI version before replacing it,

as I never understand much with the CI in the first place.

L-deafened

Re: NOT WORKING

Yes I had the same problem, it's starteda you outline

and withing 2 weeks the system went back to silence.

The Doctor said moisture in the implanted part was the culprit.

L- deafened

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Hello Bill

I thought Advanced Bionics KNEW exactly which implants were affected,

right from the beginning. They talk about Manufacturer " A " and

Manufacturer " B " , one or the other was supplying the faulty implants.

I would have thought it would be prudent of them to replace ALL of

that particular manufacturers implants, without waiting to see if

they fail. If its a KNOWN problem, which it is, it should be fixed

with a reliable implant.

I'm sorry to hear about people having to go through this surgery a

second time, with always the chance of problems and that the re-

implantation might not work.

Ted F.

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> > > The past 2 days my over the ear processor has stopped

working...

> It

> > sounds like it is shorting out as it just keeps going off and

on...

> > I have tried replacing the ear piece, the battery but nothing is

> > changing the problem.. Has anyone else had this problem.. I tried

> the

> > bwp to see if it did the same but that seems to be working fine..

> > Hoping that my audio can see me today to try to find out what is

> > happening here..

> > >

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Kat,

Kat,

From what I have heard there may have been a case where some vendors

for a short period of time did not seal the case in a dry enough

environment and the electronics will start to corrode after a period

of time is just one possibility I have heard on the web.

>

> I'm sorry to hear that - do they know why there was so much

moisture in the

> implant?

>

> Kat

>

> From: Ismael Varga

> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:06 PM

>

> Subject: Re: NOT WORKING

>

>

> Kat

>

> It can't be fixed.

>

> The whole implanted part has to be removed,

> I am waiting for a CI version before replacing it,

> as I never understand much with the CI in the first place.

>

>

> L-deafened

>

> Re: NOT WORKING

>

>

>

> Yes I had the same problem, it's starteda you outline

> and withing 2 weeks the system went back to silence.

>

> The Doctor said moisture in the implanted part was the culprit.

>

>

> L- deafened

>

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At least that would be your own choice, Virg. Was manufacturer B, the

good one or the dud one?

Ted F.

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> I have the implant from manufacturer B, Ted, and I'm not about to want

> a replacement unless this one fails. They don't all fail. If they

> offered a reimplant right now for everyone I wouldn't take it.

>

> Virg

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Thanks Virg, I hope your implant is one of the ones that doesnt fail

and that it outlives you.

Ted F.

> > >

> > > I have the implant from manufacturer B, Ted, and I'm not about

> > > to want a replacement unless this one fails. They don't all

> > > fail. If they offered a reimplant right now for everyone I

> > > wouldn't take it.

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> > > Virg

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Reliability is the name of the game. So whenever one chooses an implant

manufacturer, check the reliability stats before making a choice. Also

would be nice if manufacturers had 24/7 hotlines to take care of problems

that occur even over long weekends. We are totally at the mercy of the

manufacturer, so choose a good one.

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Re: NOT WORKING

Posted by: " tadyen " zesuit@... tadyen

Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:05 am (PST)

In another group I posted about my implant cutting in/out that

started doing it last summer that I had to keep going back to Audie

to increase the RF and change some maps to stop cutting in out.

But around Decemeber it finally cut in/out so bad and last month it

gotten worse that I could no longer maintain stable audio. Last week

a rep from AB came by to my audie office and she determined that I

have an implant failure.

So they set me up a surgery date to have it replaced. I was first

implanted 4 year ago and during that time I was told that there were

bad batch with bad sealant allowing mostiures to get into the interal

implant but it was highly unlikly I had the one of those bad batch

implant.

Now it turn out that I do have one of those bad batch implant and

will need it to be replaced.

Well at least I will be getting the newest one now and hopefully they

seal it better this time. I don't know if it an upgrade over my 4

year old implant or it the same circuity.

I know it sucks having to do all those surgery and recovering deal

but I like my CI better than my hearing aids that I am willing to

tolerate it all again.

Bill

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Oh Ted, you ray of sunshine,

NO implant company is going to replace a model until it starts not

working. Or stops working. They can tell you all they want about

manufacturer A vs manufacturer B, but will rarely admit you got stuck

with the lemon. When it fails down the line, then they say, " oops, it

must have been Mfg. B " , let us replace it. But I know of none that

replace until it stops working.

Let's remember, there are still people using the implant with the

positioner that has been linked with, and still is closely associated

with the risk of meningitis. But as long as the implant works, they

don't insist you be explanted and reimplanted.

Some people have lots more patience with this than you or I do!

I thought Advanced Bionics KNEW exactly which implants were affected,

right from the beginning. They talk about Manufacturer " A " and

Manufacturer " B " , one or the other was supplying the faulty implants.

I would have thought it would be prudent of them to replace ALL of

that particular manufacturers implants, without waiting to see if

they fail. If its a KNOWN problem, which it is, it should be fixed

with a reliable implant.

I'm sorry to hear about people having to go through this surgery a

second time, with always the chance of problems and that the re-

implantation might not work.

Ted F.

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  • 6 months later...

Give it at least 6-9 months and rememeber the purpose of LDN is to

slow/halt disease progression, symptom improvement is a bonus not

everyone experience's.

Art

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> I have MS and I am on LDN since 3 months ago!

> i have 1 attack. When we can say LDN that dont work for me?

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Have you been tested for Acid Reflux? I just had Endoscopy and Brava Implants

which measure ph and Acid Reflux? It was determined that I have Acid reflux. I

have to undergo surgery to correct this condition. I was just evaluated at

National Jewish in Denver, Co and they determined that I am aspirating into my

lungs which contributes to my " Asthma " symptoms. Have you been tested for Acid

Reflux?

Befroe xolair, my IGE was around 250, then went up as expected to 800 about 6

months later, but now hovers around 50 to 150 depending on the day and the lab

where the study is performed.

Leigh

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Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 2:50:09 PM

Subject: [ ] not working

I have been on Xolair for 13 months with absolutely no result. The frequency and

dosage is appropriate for my IgE value and weight and I am not on the border of

the next dosage up either. Have any of you with only moderate IgE levels have

had to wait a long time to see any improvement at all?

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I know you have posted here quite a few times, but what exactly are your

symptoms? Do you notice a connection between allergic reactions and asthma

attacks? Not asthma exacerbations or difficulty breathing. I have very mild

asthma and difficulty breathing sometimes with strenuous exercise. Xolair did

nothing for that despite IgE levels around 300. But, it shut down my EE for the

most part and most of my skin atopy. So, not all that seems part of atopy is

truly atopic.

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> I have been on Xolair for 13 months with absolutely no result. The frequency

and dosage is appropriate for my IgE value and weight and I am not on the border

of the next dosage up either. Have any of you with only moderate IgE levels have

had to wait a long time to see any improvement at all?

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you say that you have very mild asthma, yet Xolair did nothing for you in that

regard. this seems redundant; if your asthma is very mild, as you say, assuming

you are only using albuterol for rescue, and nothing else whatsoever, then any

improvement in your asthma status by way of adding on Xolair would be marginal

to none anyhow. This is why Xolair is only indicated and used for people with

severe, usually steroid recalcitrant asthma.

All a part of atopy IS truly atopic, it is the very definition. But there are a

large percentage of asthmatics who are non-atopic, who also experience releif

from Xolair, suggestion more than one mechanism of action for this

drug/antibody. There is a lot of pressure brewing for the research community to

research non-atopic asthma.

However, I am very excited to hear that it has improved your EE...may be worth a

case report for that.

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> > I have been on Xolair for 13 months with absolutely no result. The frequency

and dosage is appropriate for my IgE value and weight and I am not on the border

of the next dosage up either. Have any of you with only moderate IgE levels have

had to wait a long time to see any improvement at all?

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Eosinophilic Esophagitis. Actually, I have Eosinophilic Enteritis (pretty much

the entire digestive track), and you don't want it.

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> > I have been on Xolair for 13 months with absolutely no result. The

frequency and dosage is appropriate for my IgE value and weight and I am not on

the border of the next dosage up either. Have any of you with only moderate IgE

levels have had to wait a long time to see any improvement at all?

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Mild to moderate asthma, that is controllable through inhaled corticosteroids,

but where the lung functions fall below the 80th percentile, is within the

protocol for prescribing Xolair. It isn't only indicated for people that aren't

helped with inhaled or swallowed steroids. At least that is the guideline in

California. I can say that Xolair might have helped me in that I don't use an

inhaled corticosteroid anymore and rarely a rescue inhaler. BUT, I had used an

inhaled corticosteroid for so many years without an attack, that it was

uncertain when I went on Xolair how much asthma I still had. I was put on it

because my lung functions dropped from the 90th percentile over 20 some years to

about the 72nd percentile in a matter of months. I also presented with severe

skin problems, sinusitis, and EE....all at once. I was atopic with an IgE of

about 300, but only moderate allergies to wheat, gluten and mold. Everything

else was considered mild or not considered. I never really reacted to the above

when exposed to those three and yet when I went on Xolair the symptoms of atopy

(as noted above) disappeared. Most specialists concede that I might be

self-immune and/or have so many mild allergies that it creates a persistent

state of atopy. And, that is true.....none of the symptoms I stated above ever

diminished once they started three years ago. 24/7. Yes, my specialist as

already submitted the results of my biopsies.

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> > > I have been on Xolair for 13 months with absolutely no result. The

frequency and dosage is appropriate for my IgE value and weight and I am not on

the border of the next dosage up either. Have any of you with only moderate IgE

levels have had to wait a long time to see any improvement at all?

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That is incorrect, by both the prescribing information and the most recent

updated national (NHLBI) guidelines, Xolair is indicated only for moderate to

severe asthma.

From Xolair's prescribing information:

INDICATIONS AND USAGE: Xolair (Omalizumab) is indicated for adults and

adolescents (12 years of age and above) with moderate to severe persistent

asthma who have a positive skin test or in vitro reactivity to a perennial

aeroallergen and whose symptoms are inadequately controlled with inhaled

corticosteroids. Xolair has been shown to decrease the incidence of asthma

exacerbations in these patients. Safety and efficacy have not been established

in other allergic conditions.

on page 225 of the 2007 NHLBI guidelines it states:

The Expert Panel recommends that omalizumab may be considered as adjunctive

therapy in step 5 or 6 care for patients who have allergies and severe

persistent asthma that is inadequately controlled with the combination of

high-dose ICS and LABA (Evidence B). (See Evidence Table 13, Immunomodulators:

Anti-IgE.)

For clarity, steps 5 & 6 are considered severe asthma.

I tend not to go by state guidelines, however, they would likely follow national

guidelines.

Falling below 80% alone is not a reason to undergo Xolair treatment, especially

when there are much more cost effective and efficacious treatments. As far as

your being initiated on Xolair, you have had so many other contributing factors,

that your physician likely thought it would help out.

> > >

> > > I know you have posted here quite a few times, but what exactly are your

symptoms? Do you notice a connection between allergic reactions and asthma

attacks? Not asthma exacerbations or difficulty breathing. I have very mild

asthma and difficulty breathing sometimes with strenuous exercise. Xolair did

nothing for that despite IgE levels around 300. But, it shut down my EE for the

most part and most of my skin atopy. So, not all that seems part of atopy is

truly atopic.

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> > >

> > >

> > > --- In , " shirl.halpern " <shirl.halpern@>

wrote:

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> > > > I have been on Xolair for 13 months with absolutely no result. The

frequency and dosage is appropriate for my IgE value and weight and I am not on

the border of the next dosage up either. Have any of you with only moderate IgE

levels have had to wait a long time to see any improvement at all?

> > > >

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Ok, now you are just being literal as opposed to the practical or functional

management of allergic asthma. These are the prior approval guidelines for

Xolair, which are likely rather common state to state. I met all this criteria

without consideration of EE. I was put on it because I had fallen below the

numbers on #3, and because of #6. The issue remained whether I had moderate

persistent asthma because I was not using a rescue inhaler with any frequency or

having attacks but, my peak flows had changed about 30% from previous years. As

this was all happening along with raised IgE and other atopic symptoms, it was

assumed to be all part of the same root cause. But, I concede my situation is

far from the standardized reason why Xolair is prescribed, but I still fit the

criteria below.

APPROVAL CRITERIA: CHECK ALL BOXES THAT APPLY

NOTE: Any areas not filled out are considered not applicable to your patient &

MAY AFFECT THE OUTCOME of this request.

& #9633; Yes & #9633; No Patient is 12 years of age or older AND

& #9633; Yes & #9633; No Patient has a diagnosis of Moderate

Persistent or Severe Persistent asthma AND

& #9633; Yes & #9633; No Patient has a FEV1 < 80% predicted AND

& #9633; Yes & #9633; No Patient has a positive skin test or in vitro

reactivity to a perennial aeroallergen AND

& #9633; Yes & #9633; No Patient has an IgE level that is greater than

or equal to 30 IU/ml AND

& #9633; Yes & #9633; No Patient has symptoms that are inadequately

controlled with combination controller therapy

(medium to high dose inhaled corticosteroids

plus long acting beta-2 agonists and/or Leukotriene

receptor antagonists), or cannot tolerate these

medications

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> > > > I know you have posted here quite a few times, but what exactly are

your symptoms? Do you notice a connection between allergic reactions and asthma

attacks? Not asthma exacerbations or difficulty breathing. I have very mild

asthma and difficulty breathing sometimes with strenuous exercise. Xolair did

nothing for that despite IgE levels around 300. But, it shut down my EE for the

most part and most of my skin atopy. So, not all that seems part of atopy is

truly atopic.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In , " shirl.halpern " <shirl.halpern@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I have been on Xolair for 13 months with absolutely no result. The

frequency and dosage is appropriate for my IgE value and weight and I am not on

the border of the next dosage up either. Have any of you with only moderate IgE

levels have had to wait a long time to see any improvement at all?

> > > > >

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Fpa9 - you are absolutely right, but I just wanted to chime in that there are

any number of Xolair patients who are using it for off-label uses, including and

especially severe allergic skin conditions.

Shirl, I know we've had a handful of folks who didn't see improvement until

12-15 months into Xolair treatment. What does your doctor say about staying on

Xolair?

Addy

Group co-owner

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> > > > I know you have posted here quite a few times, but what exactly are

your symptoms? Do you notice a connection between allergic reactions and asthma

attacks? Not asthma exacerbations or difficulty breathing. I have very mild

asthma and difficulty breathing sometimes with strenuous exercise. Xolair did

nothing for that despite IgE levels around 300. But, it shut down my EE for the

most part and most of my skin atopy. So, not all that seems part of atopy is

truly atopic.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In , " shirl.halpern " <shirl.halpern@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I have been on Xolair for 13 months with absolutely no result. The

frequency and dosage is appropriate for my IgE value and weight and I am not on

the border of the next dosage up either. Have any of you with only moderate IgE

levels have had to wait a long time to see any improvement at all?

> > > > >

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- apologize if I appear inflammatory.

I agree on most of your statements, and appreciate your commentary. My original

statement was based on you saying you had " very mild asthma " which enabled my

response involving that Xolair should not be used in the very mild asthmatic. I

do generally disagree that Xolair would be used in an asthmatic who is of

mild-moderate category. I reserve Xolair for the poorly controlled asthmatic.

In regards to your check-box below, I am a little wary that 80% FEV1 is the

threshold, although FEV1, even though still a 'gold stanadard' of diagnosis and

treatment, tends to lose validity more and more each year. This is even seen

more and more in the literature each year, as primary endpoints move away from

FEV1, but more to exacerbation rate. But I digress.

All this being said, the guidelines are guidelines, and each person is and

should be treated on an individual case. You appear to have more than one

allergic malady persevering right now. And, again, I am thrilled to hear it

working in treatment for them. If you don't mind my asking, what is your current

FEV1?

> > > > >

> > > > > I know you have posted here quite a few times, but what exactly are

your symptoms? Do you notice a connection between allergic reactions and asthma

attacks? Not asthma exacerbations or difficulty breathing. I have very mild

asthma and difficulty breathing sometimes with strenuous exercise. Xolair did

nothing for that despite IgE levels around 300. But, it shut down my EE for the

most part and most of my skin atopy. So, not all that seems part of atopy is

truly atopic.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In , " shirl.halpern " <shirl.halpern@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have been on Xolair for 13 months with absolutely no result. The

frequency and dosage is appropriate for my IgE value and weight and I am not on

the border of the next dosage up either. Have any of you with only moderate IgE

levels have had to wait a long time to see any improvement at all?

> > > > > >

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Response time and response category to Xolair (or any asthma therapy for that

matter) may be variable. 15 months is pushing it though, and you may be

considered a non or subresponder.'

Are you not experiencing any decrease in asthma exacerbations, nighttime

awakenings, albuterol use, emergency room/unscheudled doctors visits, or

any improvements in lung function or symptoms?

Have you maximized all of your other meds at all? Are you taking Xolair in

conjunction with oral steroids, and while decreasing the oral steroids not

experiencing any relief in any form? Is your condition getting worse? are you

female, and if so, perimenopausal?

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> Somehow my question got entagled with someone else's- I have severe allergic

asthma and have not responded at all to the Xolair after 13 months. I am on the

correct dose for my IGE and weight. Can anyone out there respond to me without

giving details about their own asthma that are not relevant to my question, and

that is actually helpful?

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> Somehow my question got entagled with someone else's- I have severe allergic

asthma and have not responded at all to the Xolair after 13 months. I am on the

correct dose for my IGE and weight. Can anyone out there respond to me without

giving details about their own asthma that are not relevant to my question, and

that is actually helpful?

>

It took me a few days over a year and I hear that it does take some people

longer. Sorry I wasn't much help.

What does your doctor say? Mine told me to stay the course and I did.

Doug

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