Guest guest Posted November 4, 2010 Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 There are a few studies which examine the potential protective nature of areas in South America (Venezuela specifically) which people living in slums and endemic to helminth infections with Schistosoma mansoni. This was a retrospective in view of protection from development of asthma, not treatment of. In as much as treatment with helminths, there are some articles discussing the antiasthmatic properties of certain antigens isolated from helminths, and those are in laboratory (in vitro) studies, or in mice. As of right now, the actions of what helminths appear to do are being sought out to find drug targets. Nothing done in humans, and is far from drug development, which is even further away from the FDA approval process. Glenn ________________________________ From: jakemanp_sf <jakemanp_sf@...> Sent: Wed, November 3, 2010 8:01:53 PM Subject: [ ] hookworms / helminthic therapy Has anyone on this forum tried Xolair in combination with hookworms (i.e. helminthic therapy)? I've been on Xolair for a year, has helped my asthma/allergies considerably, but has not entirely solved the problem. Seriously considering giving hookworms a try. please note that I have considered this for 3 years and believe I have exhausted all other routes -- so I plead you to refrain from any " OMG your crazy!! " response unless you have evaluated helminthic therapy considerably yourself. Thanks in advance !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2010 Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 Hi there, Here are my thoughts, and I am in no way a professional, so please take it with a grain of salt. My understanding of the treatment is that it increases IgE levels. The theory is that once your body is fighting on that front, it will be less active in causing other issues. Please keep in mind I have only researched this briefly, but my though is, no to put a damper on your enthusiasm, would it not be a bit self-defeating in regards to the Xolair treatment? Also, is there anything environmental that maybe causing the problem to be so severe? Cats? Dogs? Being around cigarette smoke. Are you worse if have a viral or bacterial infection? You didn't mention what the cause of your asthma was. Obviously there is an allergic component to it (which why Xolair is helping). I will try to research this some more for you. Sorry you have to be dealing with this and I hope you find an answer and full relief soon. I am wondering what happens if you try it. What are the possible outcomes? Best and worst case scenarios. That is usually how I make a decision, best and worst scenario and decide if I can live with the worse option if it happened/ie side effects, etc.. Best, Sheila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2010 Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 Sheila, Thanks for rounding that off. I failed to mention that helminth infections increase IgE tremendously, and yes, there would be a *relative* defeatist nature of simultaneous treatment with a helminth and omalizumab. The body's response to a helminth infection by increasing IgE is the attempt to kill off the helminth itself. Thus, I would not be in too much favor for administering this combination (Although in registry trials in Brazil, there was a good fraction of patients who had helminth infections while receiving omalizumab). Glenn ________________________________ From: sheila bissonnette <sheilabiss@...> Sent: Thu, November 4, 2010 8:46:38 PM Subject: Re: [ ] hookworms / helminthic therapy Hi there, Here are my thoughts, and I am in no way a professional, so please take it with a grain of salt. My understanding of the treatment is that it increases IgE levels. The theory is that once your body is fighting on that front, it will be less active in causing other issues. Please keep in mind I have only researched this briefly, but my though is, no to put a damper on your enthusiasm, would it not be a bit self-defeating in regards to the Xolair treatment? Also, is there anything environmental that maybe causing the problem to be so severe? Cats? Dogs? Being around cigarette smoke. Are you worse if have a viral or bacterial infection? You didn't mention what the cause of your asthma was. Obviously there is an allergic component to it (which why Xolair is helping). I will try to research this some more for you. Sorry you have to be dealing with this and I hope you find an answer and full relief soon. I am wondering what happens if you try it. What are the possible outcomes? Best and worst case scenarios. That is usually how I make a decision, best and worst scenario and decide if I can live with the worse option if it happened/ie side effects, etc.. Best, Sheila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2010 Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 Hi Glenn and Sheila, I must say, we do have interesting discussions in this group! Thanks for your input! Caroline (doing her best to avoid worms, helminths and other parasite infections!) ________________________________ From: GW <fpa9@...> Sent: Fri, November 5, 2010 8:42:39 AM Subject: Re: [ ] hookworms / helminthic therapy Sheila, Thanks for rounding that off. I failed to mention that helminth infections increase IgE tremendously, and yes, there would be a *relative* defeatist nature of simultaneous treatment with a helminth and omalizumab. The body's response to a helminth infection by increasing IgE is the attempt to kill off the helminth itself. Thus, I would not be in too much favor for administering this combination (Although in registry trials in Brazil, there was a good fraction of patients who had helminth infections while receiving omalizumab). Glenn ________________________________ From: sheila bissonnette <sheilabiss@...> Sent: Thu, November 4, 2010 8:46:38 PM Subject: Re: [ ] hookworms / helminthic therapy Hi there, Here are my thoughts, and I am in no way a professional, so please take it with a grain of salt. My understanding of the treatment is that it increases IgE levels. The theory is that once your body is fighting on that front, it will be less active in causing other issues. Please keep in mind I have only researched this briefly, but my though is, no to put a damper on your enthusiasm, would it not be a bit self-defeating in regards to the Xolair treatment? Also, is there anything environmental that maybe causing the problem to be so severe? Cats? Dogs? Being around cigarette smoke. Are you worse if have a viral or bacterial infection? You didn't mention what the cause of your asthma was. Obviously there is an allergic component to it (which why Xolair is helping). I will try to research this some more for you. Sorry you have to be dealing with this and I hope you find an answer and full relief soon. I am wondering what happens if you try it. What are the possible outcomes? Best and worst case scenarios. That is usually how I make a decision, best and worst scenario and decide if I can live with the worse option if it happened/ie side effects, etc.. Best, Sheila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2010 Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 Thank for your kind words Glenn. As I said, my understanding is limited in this regard. I agree with you on the combination not being a good choice, theoretically. I wonder if the Brazil study was a reflection of certain cultural vulnerabilities due to sanitation. There are 10 folds more Helminthic and H Pylori infections where I come from (middle east). S On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 5:42 AM, GW <fpa9@...> wrote: > > > Sheila, > Thanks for rounding that off. I failed to mention that helminth infections > increase IgE tremendously, and yes, there would be a *relative* defeatist > nature > of simultaneous treatment with a helminth and omalizumab. The body's > response to > a helminth infection by increasing IgE is the attempt to kill off the > helminth > itself. Thus, I would not be in too much favor for administering this > combination (Although in registry trials in Brazil, there was a good > fraction of > patients who had helminth infections while receiving omalizumab). > Glenn > > ________________________________ > From: sheila bissonnette <sheilabiss@... <sheilabiss%40gmail.com>> > > < %40> > Sent: Thu, November 4, 2010 8:46:38 PM > Subject: Re: [ ] hookworms / helminthic therapy > > > Hi there, > Here are my thoughts, and I am in no way a professional, so please take it > with a grain of salt. My understanding of the treatment is that it > increases IgE levels. The theory is that once your body is fighting on that > front, it will be less active in causing other issues. Please keep in mind > I have only researched this briefly, but my though is, no to put a damper > on > your enthusiasm, would it not be a bit self-defeating in regards to the > Xolair treatment? > Also, is there anything environmental that maybe causing the problem to be > so severe? Cats? Dogs? Being around cigarette smoke. Are you worse if have > a viral or bacterial infection? You didn't mention what the cause of your > asthma was. Obviously there is an allergic component to it (which why > Xolair > is helping). I will try to research this some more for you. Sorry you have > to be dealing with this and I hope you find an answer and full relief soon. > I am wondering what happens if you try it. What are the possible outcomes? > Best and worst case scenarios. That is usually how I make a decision, best > and worst scenario and decide if I can live with the worse option if it > happened/ie side effects, etc.. > > Best, > Sheila > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2010 Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 Hi everyone. I am getting my insurance to cover xolair. I have had asthma for a long time but in the recent months it has become severe. I am waiting for a lung function test which the company requires for approval, I have never had one done before. I am currently on singular , advair, zyrtec, and oral prednisone. I am not able to discontinue meds and concerned that lung test will not show me symptomatic since oral steroids have practically cleared all symptoms. Has anyone else been in this situation. Can insurance co ask me to discontinue meds? Thanks everyone. Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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