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Be supportive of the decisopn whichever way they go. I was and still am

oppsosed of the shot. As in their boat I was was faced with " Take the shot

or courts martial. After 14 years of Naval service with a spotless record, a

child to support (even though she's with the ex), a new relationship that's

based basically if I'll be here, and a multitude of other factors.... it's a

stressful decision.

I took the first shot, but I will refuse the second and further shots. As

you mentioned before about joint pain and swelling, I had that reaction. I

found out I was not even supposed to get the shot! I was not asked if I was

taking any medications or anything, just the usual " Are you allergic to

anything " , and actually questionable on that now that I think ablut it.

A day or teo after the shot ALL of my old injuries started flaring up. This

definately includes the latest which is a broken femur in 3 places. I'm in

therapy but had pulled away from the pain killers only a month or so ago. I

have had to start taking them again.

You can send them a copy of this if you like but it is something they should

be aware of. My case has been sent to HASC members personally and I have

received one personal response that stated my case would be brought up

specifically in the meeting tomorrow.

Just my two cents :o).

Troy

>From: and Regina Castleman <brcaslmn@...>

>Reply-onelist

> " onelist " <onelist>

>Subject: First Shot

>Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 07:18:14 -0700

>

>My son in law took his first shot about ten days ago and is so far

>without any reaction. He earlier said that he would leave the Air

>Force before taking the shots. He and my daughter were getting ready to

>go on leave on a short vacation a few days after and I suppose they

>didn't want to disrupt their plans. Our daughter was already on leave at

>the time shots were administered and so far has been able to avoid

>taking the first shot. She said the Air Force is court marshalling those

>that refuse at Elmindorf now and that refusing is very difficult. I

>still pray that she doesn't take the shots but I feel that it is likely

>that she will. Even with all of the information that we have sent them

>and their earlier opposition to taking the shots it is still difficult

>for people to stand out in the crowd and risk their careers by refusing.

>She is still trying to get pregnant but no word on that so far. Tuesday

>they both return back to work from their trip. We pray for their health

>but are discouraged by his taking the first shot. Supposedly there is

>one member of their squadron that has suffered severe joint pain and

>swelling after the second shot and has temporarily been relieved of

>taking the third shot.

>

>I don't know of anything else that a parent can do. In the end it is

>their decision and we must respect that, and hope for the best. But it

>doesn't make us feel any better knowing that they are dealing with a

>potential time bomb.

>Does anyone have any positive suggestions?

>

> Castleman

>Bandon, OR

>

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Thanks to Troy Karr for the message. We can only have hope and pray for the

best.

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troy karr wrote:

> From: " troy karr " <lockedspurs@...>

>

> ,

>

> Be supportive of the decisopn whichever way they go. I was and still am

> oppsosed of the shot. As in their boat I was was faced with " Take the shot

> or courts martial. After 14 years of Naval service with a spotless record, a

> child to support (even though she's with the ex), a new relationship that's

> based basically if I'll be here, and a multitude of other factors.... it's a

> stressful decision.

> I took the first shot, but I will refuse the second and further shots. As

> you mentioned before about joint pain and swelling, I had that reaction. I

> found out I was not even supposed to get the shot! I was not asked if I was

> taking any medications or anything, just the usual " Are you allergic to

> anything " , and actually questionable on that now that I think ablut it.

> A day or teo after the shot ALL of my old injuries started flaring up. This

> definately includes the latest which is a broken femur in 3 places. I'm in

> therapy but had pulled away from the pain killers only a month or so ago. I

> have had to start taking them again.

> You can send them a copy of this if you like but it is something they should

> be aware of. My case has been sent to HASC members personally and I have

> received one personal response that stated my case would be brought up

> specifically in the meeting tomorrow.

> Just my two cents :o).

>

> Troy

>

>

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HI.I.am a trooper,1a,two unsuccesfull treatments,finished the third four months

ago,combi-treatment.I feel that this one caught on,enzymes ok,RNA-test nxt

month.So whatever you do don.t give up.After tx all the nasty side-effects will

disappeare and yr energy will come bouncing back.Goodluck william.

First Shot

Took my first shot Thursday night....dull headache, fever & chills & nausua

through yesterday...seems much better today. Definite drop in energy but I'll

just have to work through that! Still feeling positive...thanks to all.

Aloha,

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HI PAT, Wonderful news, you are now on your way killing the dragon.

Which brand of treatment are you taking? Sheerings or Roche?

I just reached my middle point, 24 weeks!

I did inquire about receiving the flu shot. The Dr. said no need this year,

that the ribavirin was enough as that is an immune booster.

Your fellow Hepper friend,

Donna

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HI PAT, Wonderful news, you are now on your way killing the dragon.

Which brand of treatment are you taking? Sheerings or Roche?

I just reached my middle point, 24 weeks!

I did inquire about receiving the flu shot. The Dr. said no need this year,

that the ribavirin was enough as that is an immune booster.

Your fellow Hepper friend,

Donna

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I'm on treatment and was told to get both a flu shot and a pneumonia shot - more

important on treatment than not as the immune system can be repressed...you

might want to check again...I have heard this from more than one source...

Re: first shot

HI PAT, Wonderful news, you are now on your way killing the dragon.

Which brand of treatment are you taking? Sheerings or Roche?

I just reached my middle point, 24 weeks!

I did inquire about receiving the flu shot. The Dr. said no need this year,

that the ribavirin was enough as that is an immune booster.

Your fellow Hepper friend,

Donna

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I'm on treatment and was told to get both a flu shot and a pneumonia shot - more

important on treatment than not as the immune system can be repressed...you

might want to check again...I have heard this from more than one source...

Re: first shot

HI PAT, Wonderful news, you are now on your way killing the dragon.

Which brand of treatment are you taking? Sheerings or Roche?

I just reached my middle point, 24 weeks!

I did inquire about receiving the flu shot. The Dr. said no need this year,

that the ribavirin was enough as that is an immune booster.

Your fellow Hepper friend,

Donna

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I'm about to give him another couple of Advil, another multi-

vitamin, and some orange juice or water...whatever he wants. What's

a good electrolyte drink? The only electrolyte drink I can think of

is Pedalyte which we gave to my son when he had diareha(sp). But, I

would never subject Shane to that. When Tommy wouldn't drink it I

tasted it to see what he was so peeved about and it tastes like

somebody dumped several teaspoons of salt in watered down koolaid.

Nasty stuff...

> The First shot is the worst. Your body is just not used to this

> med. First shot has the worst sides and does cause alot of down

time.

>

> Each shot afterward has less sides til about the third or fourth

> shot, and that seems to be what u get. I can only speak upt to

the

> sixth shot myself.

>

> Acetaminaphine and lots of water, juices and electrolyte dirinks.

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After Shane's biopsy the doc gave him codeine, but I too have read

that you shouldn't take it. The doc said " in moderation " ...pretty

much the party line for everything. Glad you're " up " ...let us know

what we can do.

Jen

P.S. You know, you could make some money while on tx...just stick a

jar next to the bed and when you get the shakes have your wife pitch

in a quarter....I used to love those beds when we'd go on family

vacations as kids....lol.

> Hey everyone,

>

> First, I would like to say thanks to everyone for helping with my

> questions. This group helps alot and am so happy to have found it.

>

> Well, I took my first shot around 6p.m. last night. I was so

nervous

> that I was shaking. I shook enough that I formed a foam within the

> interferon vial...lol. Anyway, my side effects so far are a head-

> ache, the chills (my wife probably thought she was in Niagara

Falls

> on one of those vibrating beds last night), minor aches and pains,

> runny nose and my eyes will go from very dry to tearing. Mentally,

I

> feel fine, although tired. All of these side effects seem to go in

> waves of severity. Now that the initial injection is done, I

> shouldn't be so nervous the next time. Overall, I find the side

> effects almost the same as the sides I had from just the hep c,

but

> to a larger degree.

>

> For my head-ache last night, I took two 300mg Tylonol with

codeine.

> Is anyone else taking codeine? My specialist said I could take it,

> but I also heard that I shouldn't take codeine. I just took two

more

> this morning. Any help would be appreciated and thanks.

>

> Have a great day everyone!!

> Nick

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Thanks for the idea Jen. The jar is in place. I put a few coins in

there already...that should make her think...lol.

Nick

> > Hey everyone,

> >

> > First, I would like to say thanks to everyone for helping with

my

> > questions. This group helps alot and am so happy to have found

it.

> >

> > Well, I took my first shot around 6p.m. last night. I was so

> nervous

> > that I was shaking. I shook enough that I formed a foam within

the

> > interferon vial...lol. Anyway, my side effects so far are a head-

> > ache, the chills (my wife probably thought she was in Niagara

> Falls

> > on one of those vibrating beds last night), minor aches and

pains,

> > runny nose and my eyes will go from very dry to tearing.

Mentally,

> I

> > feel fine, although tired. All of these side effects seem to go

in

> > waves of severity. Now that the initial injection is done, I

> > shouldn't be so nervous the next time. Overall, I find the side

> > effects almost the same as the sides I had from just the hep c,

> but

> > to a larger degree.

> >

> > For my head-ache last night, I took two 300mg Tylonol with

> codeine.

> > Is anyone else taking codeine? My specialist said I could take

it,

> > but I also heard that I shouldn't take codeine. I just took two

> more

> > this morning. Any help would be appreciated and thanks.

> >

> > Have a great day everyone!!

> > Nick

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Glad I could help...

> > > Hey everyone,

> > >

> > > First, I would like to say thanks to everyone for helping with

> my

> > > questions. This group helps alot and am so happy to have found

> it.

> > >

> > > Well, I took my first shot around 6p.m. last night. I was so

> > nervous

> > > that I was shaking. I shook enough that I formed a foam within

> the

> > > interferon vial...lol. Anyway, my side effects so far are a

head-

> > > ache, the chills (my wife probably thought she was in Niagara

> > Falls

> > > on one of those vibrating beds last night), minor aches and

> pains,

> > > runny nose and my eyes will go from very dry to tearing.

> Mentally,

> > I

> > > feel fine, although tired. All of these side effects seem to

go

> in

> > > waves of severity. Now that the initial injection is done, I

> > > shouldn't be so nervous the next time. Overall, I find the

side

> > > effects almost the same as the sides I had from just the hep

c,

> > but

> > > to a larger degree.

> > >

> > > For my head-ache last night, I took two 300mg Tylonol with

> > codeine.

> > > Is anyone else taking codeine? My specialist said I could take

> it,

> > > but I also heard that I shouldn't take codeine. I just took

two

> > more

> > > this morning. Any help would be appreciated and thanks.

> > >

> > > Have a great day everyone!!

> > > Nick

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Oh you had me in stitches!

Wonderful sense of humor.

When I took my first shot I had my 2 kids with me. They wanted to be there..

Well, I sat down in a chair at the kitchen table, jabbed the needle in leg

like a dart and proceeded to tell them how suddenly I felt so dizzy. My eldest

son looked at me with a bland expression on his face and said Mom the medicine

couldn't even have gotten from your leg to you head by now.

I just went into bed and fell asleep.

Your hepper friend,

Donna

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Willem, you are so funny...we sure do miss you around here...but we all

understand love <g>

FIRST SHOT

HI.Here are some tips regarding taking yr first shot....Make sure you close all

the windows so that neighbours cannot hear you scream.If you have a buddy let

him be standby with the telephone and the Bible,if you.re alone....well hope for

the best.Put on a CD of a heavy metal group it prevents you from hearing the

needle cutting your flesh..Make sure you have a towel or something to prevent

blood from messing up your carpet.Aim the needle straight towards the fat tissue

otherwise you will hit a nerve or muscle and then even the heavy metal,closed

windows, will prevent you from alerting the neighbourhood with your screams.You

might even end up in a wheelchair.If you have no fat go to Mac .s for a

year and then try again.Once you have injected yourself and nothing of the above

has happened say amen close your eyes,lie down and try to forget this

ordeal........Ok....I have take hundreds of shots and believe me a mosquito-bite

is worse.Absolutely nothing to it.Willem.

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Willem, you are so funny...we sure do miss you around here...but we all

understand love <g>

FIRST SHOT

HI.Here are some tips regarding taking yr first shot....Make sure you close all

the windows so that neighbours cannot hear you scream.If you have a buddy let

him be standby with the telephone and the Bible,if you.re alone....well hope for

the best.Put on a CD of a heavy metal group it prevents you from hearing the

needle cutting your flesh..Make sure you have a towel or something to prevent

blood from messing up your carpet.Aim the needle straight towards the fat tissue

otherwise you will hit a nerve or muscle and then even the heavy metal,closed

windows, will prevent you from alerting the neighbourhood with your screams.You

might even end up in a wheelchair.If you have no fat go to Mac .s for a

year and then try again.Once you have injected yourself and nothing of the above

has happened say amen close your eyes,lie down and try to forget this

ordeal........Ok....I have take hundreds of shots and believe me a mosquito-bite

is worse.Absolutely nothing to it.Willem.

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HI.By now you know that taken shots is a piece of cake,important is that you

switch the injections sites because many people get red spots,the size of a

nickel around the injection-site.They disappear in a couple of days.Left

leg,right leg,left above the hips,right above the hips and vica versa or other

places at yr choosing as long as there.s fat tissue which you can roll between

your thumb and the finger nxt to it ,squeeze it tight and jabbed it quick and

firmly.Goodluck.Willem.

Re: FIRST SHOT

That was absolutely hysterical!!!! Thanks for the chuckle, even if

you were slightly laughing at me LOL.

<><TammieD><>

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HI.By now you know that taken shots is a piece of cake,important is that you

switch the injections sites because many people get red spots,the size of a

nickel around the injection-site.They disappear in a couple of days.Left

leg,right leg,left above the hips,right above the hips and vica versa or other

places at yr choosing as long as there.s fat tissue which you can roll between

your thumb and the finger nxt to it ,squeeze it tight and jabbed it quick and

firmly.Goodluck.Willem.

Re: FIRST SHOT

That was absolutely hysterical!!!! Thanks for the chuckle, even if

you were slightly laughing at me LOL.

<><TammieD><>

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HI.By now you know that taken shots is a piece of cake,important is that you

switch the injections sites because many people get red spots,the size of a

nickel around the injection-site.They disappear in a couple of days.Left

leg,right leg,left above the hips,right above the hips and vica versa or other

places at yr choosing as long as there.s fat tissue which you can roll between

your thumb and the finger nxt to it ,squeeze it tight and jabbed it quick and

firmly.Goodluck.Willem.

Re: FIRST SHOT

That was absolutely hysterical!!!! Thanks for the chuckle, even if

you were slightly laughing at me LOL.

<><TammieD><>

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HI.By now you know that taken shots is a piece of cake,important is that you

switch the injections sites because many people get red spots,the size of a

nickel around the injection-site.They disappear in a couple of days.Left

leg,right leg,left above the hips,right above the hips and vica versa or other

places at yr choosing as long as there.s fat tissue which you can roll between

your thumb and the finger nxt to it ,squeeze it tight and jabbed it quick and

firmly.Goodluck.Willem.

Re: FIRST SHOT

That was absolutely hysterical!!!! Thanks for the chuckle, even if

you were slightly laughing at me LOL.

<><TammieD><>

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I'm glad this note resurfaced because I had begun one and put it in my filing

cabinet and forgot it was there!

LOL -- Willem, not only did I laugh so good at your note about doing shots

(and about the exercise), the shot note reminded me of my second shot day (the

thoughts I had). When I did that second shot (in my kitchen), I had an

automatic, very fleeting (but strong) urge to go into the bathroom instead and

do

it. (Talk about recall ) ! Sheesh! I hadn't " done a shot " since 1978, but

my brain vividly recalled that bathrooms were the place I used to do them --

with the blinds pulled, the door locked, and the toilet nearby. It (the

recall) was almost like punishment (not very good memories, not to mention

the

source of my HCV). I finally shook the visions and said to myself " it ain't

the 70's no more. Stop beating yourself up and just stick the damn thing in

your upper thigh " lol.

Anyhow..... back to seriousness. I have a question (or concern) about " red

spots " and wonder if the answer (if there is one) might bear any

significance on my reaction to the Pegasys. When I did mine (all three), I

expected

red spots to appear, (and they did -- on about the second day afterwards).

My red spots, though, didn't go away in a few days. They just got bigger and

bigger as the week went by (they probably reached 50-cent piece size), and

they remained there for about a month. They weren't beet red and didn't itch

or hurt as I recall, but it was apparent my thighs thought I had viciously

assaulted them! I never showed them to the nurse or doc because 1) redness

around injection site was expected, and 2) even though they were kind of big,

by the time they got that big I was already off treatment and wasn't

anticipating ever wanting to attempt it again and didn't care about what, if any

significance they might have.

So the big question is -- do you (or does anyone) know if my spots may have

indicated something more serious than just a local reaction? I'm paranoid, I

guess. LOL. It's not even 5:45 in the a.m. yet, and here I sit -- worried

about red spots! The heat index outside yesterday was 110 (actual temp was

98). I didn't walk yesterday morning; I didn't walk yesterday evening, I

didn't go to bed until midnight, and I guess I'm wide-eyed from lack of

exercise.

I just stepped outside a few minutes ago, and it's already 78 degrees out

there -- so muggy and oppressive already it's hard for someone in GOOD health to

breathe !

I wanna go to Alaska. You guys have a good day.

In a message dated 6/18/2004 3:32:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,

lands142@... writes:

> HI.By now you know that taken shots is a piece of cake,important is that

> you switch the injections sites because many people get red spots,the size of

a

> nickel around the injection-site.They disappear in a couple of days.Left

> leg,right leg,left above the hips,right above the hips and vica versa or other

> places at yr choosing as long as there.s fat tissue which you can roll between

> your thumb and the finger nxt to it ,squeeze it tight and jabbed it quick

> and firmly.Goodluck.Willem.

>

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