Re: Trace Minerals for Oxygenation & Cancer Treatment

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On 2011-04-01 4:11 PM, Weldon wrote:

> I actually contacted the gentleman in charge of the 12 year MSM

> study and he told me to give her 3 tablespoons per day (but I did not

> give him her size which is 30lb, but I know the 1.5gm/kg limit) as

> this is what cured his son of testicular cancer. Through my MSM

> research I came across some of McCabe's work on flooding your body

> with oxygen. The MSM, in only 2 weeks of 3 grams per day,

There was a recent discussion about using megadoses of MSM... so, I

don't know where you got this 'limit' of 1.5gm/kg, but you can

apparently use a whole lot more than that totally safely...

The MSM crystals I have now say there is 4gms of MSM in each TEAspoon,

and I've been taking 3-4 TABLEspoons per day for about 2 weeks now and

I'm still alive...

Anyway, if that limit were valid, the math says that your daughter could

take about 100gms per day... give 4gm per teaspoon, you could give her

as much as 8 Tablespoons per day safely...

But the first thing you need to do is find out how much actual MSM is

really in each Tablespoon.

What kind/brand is it?

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--- In Coconut Oil , Tanstaafl

> The MSM crystals I have now say there is 4gms of MSM in each TEAspoon,

> and I've been taking 3-4 TABLEspoons per day for about 2 weeks now and

> I'm still alive...

>

> Anyway, if that limit were valid, the math says that your daughter could

> take about 100gms per day... give 4gm per teaspoon, you could give her

> as much as 8 Tablespoons per day safely...

>

> But the first thing you need to do is find out how much actual MSM is

> really in each Tablespoon.

>

> What kind/brand is it?

I'm using the Jarrow Brand, OptiMSM. Sorry, went back and reread the rat study

it actually said there were NO subchronic effects at 1.5gm/kg. How fast were you

able to move up in dosage? It seems like she is having alot of stomach

discomfort by the end of the day after the 3-1 gram doses. She could be

experiencing some late radiation effects to her bowels or still possibly

battling some C.Diff she caught in the hospital though, hard to tell. She has

been on it for 2 weeks now. She has been through a skin redness and heat detox

phase that lasted for about 5 days when I increased her dose to her current

dosage. I asked the study director about initial detox reactions but he didn't

answer my questions about that.

>

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Weldon, yes, shilajit is soluble, and that's how it is purified from the host

rock. It is fulvic and humic acid-based. Inorganic minerals rely on their

ionization in the gut, which may occur but if you don't know how good bowel

ecology is, go with the humic/fulvics.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Hi everyone, I am treating my daughter for a rare form of a CNS cancer that

chemo won't touch (of course chemo is junk anyway). We have already done

radiation recently so it is now up to me to completely get rid of her cancer. I

actually contacted the gentleman in charge of the 12 year MSM study and he told

me to give her 3 tablespoons per day (but I did not give him her size which is

30lb, but I know the 1.5gm/kg limit) as this is what cured his son of testicular

cancer. Through my MSM research I came across some of McCabe's work on flooding

your body with oxygen. The MSM, in only 2 weeks of 3 grams per day, has done so

much for her that there has got to be something to this. McCabe advocates adding

some form of ionic trace minerals. There seems to be competing ideas on the

internet. I really need something that is in liquid form as she cannot take

pills due to her age and genetic condition. I've seen Duncan's recommendation of

Shilajit but not sure if that can be liquefied and how would it compare? I am

down to looking at a concentrated fulvic acid(which has some anti-cancer

research) and the Trace Minerals Brand Concentrace drops. I am open to

suggestions, sorry for the long post.

>

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>

> Weldon, yes, shilajit is soluble, and that's how it is purified from the host

rock. It is fulvic and humic acid-based. Inorganic minerals rely on their

ionization in the gut, which may occur but if you don't know how good bowel

ecology is, go with the humic/fulvics.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

Duncan, if so, would you empty one or two capsules of the Black Indian Shilajit

that you recommended some time ago and dissolve the contents in water? What

dosage would be therapeutic? I guess that's what I should be asking. Thanks.

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If you drop the shilajit I have from http://therootofthematter.net in water it

dissipates without even hitting the bottom of the glass.

For someone who wasn't taking minerals, a single cap a day would be therapeutic.

The dose is listed at 1-6 capsules per day but 6 seems a bit much to me. I use

one cap but I just swallow the cap without dumping it into food.

all good,

Duncan

>> Duncan, if so, would you empty one or two capsules of the Black Indian

Shilajit that you recommended some time ago and dissolve the contents in water?

What dosage would be therapeutic? I guess that's what I should be asking.

Thanks.

>

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On 2011-04-01 8:31 PM, Weldon wrote:

> I'm using the Jarrow Brand, OptiMSM.

Good brand... that's the one I'll be moving to once the first batch I

bought is gone...

> Sorry, went back and reread the rat

> study it actually said there were NO subchronic effects at 1.5gm/kg.

According to the OptiMSM website (and other sources I've read concur),

the best way to determine dosage is the same as when using powdered

vitamin C - ie, you take it to 'bowel tolerance' - when you start having

loose bowels or diarrhea, you back down to just below that level, then

slowly start increasing it at that point.

As far as I can tell, there are no dangerous side effects from taking

too much - unless of course you continued taking too much until the

diarrhea depleted you of vital minerals...

> How fast were you able to move up in dosage?

Actually, I started out right at 3 Tablespoons per day (in divided doses

- morning, noon and evening. Once I get my OptiMSM I'm planning on

doubling this (2 Tablespoons 3x per day), and going from there.

> It seems like she is having alot of stomach discomfort by the end of

> the day after the 3-1 gram doses. She could be experiencing some late

> radiation effects to her bowels or still possibly battling some

> C.Diff she caught in the hospital though, hard to tell.

Could be... and everyone is different too. First thing to try to

determine is if it is in fact the MSM that is causing the discomfort -

if it is, just back dwn on the dosage until the discomfort is minimized

or gone, then slowly start increasing it..

For cancer thought, apparently the absolute best therapy one can do is

the intravenous DMSO/Sodium Bicarb therapy. I know that is what I would

do if it were me, or one of my loved ones (assuming I could convince

them to do it - but I can be pretty 'in your face' when I want/need to

be ).

> She has been on it for 2 weeks now. She has been through a skin

> redness and heat detox phase that lasted for about 5 days when I

> increased her dose to her current dosage. I asked the study director

> about initial detox reactions but he didn't answer my questions about

> that.

I don't know anything about radiation detox... but I sincerely hope you

and she stick with it... but like I said, slow down, it is better to go

slower than to get discouraged by severe detox symptoms and stop altogether.

All the best...

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On 2011-04-01 10:50 PM, Duncan Crow wrote:

> Weldon, yes, shilajit is soluble, and that's how it is purified from

> the host rock. It is fulvic and humic acid-based. Inorganic minerals

> rely on their ionization in the gut, which may occur but if you don't

> know how good bowel ecology is, go with the humic/fulvics.

Duncan - how would you compare shilajit with the Fulvic/Humic minerals

from Vital Earth, which is what I'm currently taking? I really like

them, but they're not the cheapest (a case of 12 gets you a 15%

discount, but that almost $500)...

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She seems to be feeling really well today, I am going to increase the dosage by

50% to 1.5grams per meal and see how she does today. I think once she has

detoxed pretty well I should be able to increase the dosage pretty quickly. I

think a 50% increase every 3 days or so seems to be sufficient to handle detox

symptoms from the past 2 weeks experience. She is non-verbal so I have to be a

little extra cautious as crying could mean anything for her. Concerning the

DMSO/Socium Bicarb, without a reputable somewhat local natural doc to handle the

DMSO/Sodium bicarb IV I doubt I'll be able to get my wife to go along with it

unfortunately. But she has pretty much given me free reign when it comes to oral

supplementation and Layla's trustee for her trust is providing financial support

for it as well. I am thinking about combining Duncan's Shilajit with this

product

http://www.optimallyorganic.com/Fulvic-What.htm

I like the fact that it is concentrated, which seems to be important in treating

tumors. I learned this early on when I thought just changing her diet to high

orac value/low oxidation foods, such as muscadine grapes, blueberry juice and

virgin coconut oil(obviously) would work in conjunction with her treatment to

stop the cancer. That didn't work so I have learned much on this board and have

found the active substances in the foods and now give multiple

concentrates/compounds. We have an MRI Monday to check the radiation effects and

for new tumors. Will keep you posted.

Here is a 40+ page report on fulvic acid that seems to be floating around the

internet on multiple websites:

http://www.fulvalife.com/documents/pdf/8.fulvic.acid.report.pdf

[Guest guest]

Hi Weldon & Tanstaafl:

From all that I have read, there is no limit for MSM intake in that you

simply are not able to physically ingest too much and this would be

especially true for a child.

However, for cancer, it would make sense that DMSO would be preferred

form since, with cancer, the oxidative component should be a benefit.

Of course, with DMSO, you have to take the necessary precautions to

avoid contamination.

Cheers,

Jim

> I actually contacted the gentleman in charge of the 12 year MSM

> study and he told me to give her 3 tablespoons per day (but I did not

> give him her size which is 30lb, but I know the 1.5gm/kg limit) as

> this is what cured his son of testicular cancer. Through my MSM

> research I came across some of McCabe's work on flooding your body

> with oxygen. The MSM, in only 2 weeks of 3 grams per day,

There was a recent discussion about using megadoses of MSM... so, I

don't know where you got this 'limit' of 1.5gm/kg, but you can

apparently use a whole lot more than that totally safely...

The MSM crystals I have now say there is 4gms of MSM in each TEAspoon,

and I've been taking 3-4 TABLEspoons per day for about 2 weeks now and

I'm still alive...

Anyway, if that limit were valid, the math says that your daughter could

take about 100gms per day... give 4gm per teaspoon, you could give her

as much as 8 Tablespoons per day safely...

But the first thing you need to do is find out how much actual MSM is

really in each Tablespoon.

What kind/brand is it?

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On 2011-04-02 10:44 AM, Weldon wrote:

> Concerning the DMSO/Socium Bicarb, without a reputable somewhat local

> natural doc to handle the DMSO/Sodium bicarb IV I doubt I'll be able to

> get my wife to go along with it unfortunately.

In that case, there are two other options for your consideration...

The first is very simple, using just plain Sodium Bicarb and maple syrup

(or blackstrap molasses):

http://www.health-science-spirit.com/maple.html

The other is more involved/complicated, but also incorporates DMSO. It

is called 'The overnight cancer cure' (aka OCCT - here's a direct link

to the page describing the substances used:

http://www.new-cancer-treatments.org/Cancer/OCC_04_Elements.html

Sounds like your daughter is in good hands... all the best to you both