Re: OT; regrowing cartilage

[Guest guest]

The only side effect is that he's barred from the racetracks now...

Chuck

Reporters interviewing a 104-year-old woman: " And

what do you think is the best thing about being 104? "

the reporter asked. She simply replied, " No peer

pressure. "

On 9/11/2011 3:19:59 PM, J Trettel (gnp222@...) wrote:

> Horses?? I

> don't mind that so much, but wonder what might be in it that

> might be harmful to humans.

> On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 8:55 AM, michaelinde <michaelinde@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > -Judy

> >

> > From one who has had his knees rebuilt by using the product below

> > Case history

> > 1 cartilage torn on right knee(surgery involved)'many

> weeks of rehab and

> > missing work

> > 2 left knee doing same refused surgery (found this product)

> > Three days later pain gone . Over the last year all symptoms gone

> > Caution this formula was designed for horses only.Please take the time

> to

> > read the indigents and do your research. Very powerful stuff and dirt

> cheap,

> >

> > http://www.animedproducts.com/images/AniFlexGL_Comparison_01-10_.pdf

> >

> > also for those who prefer the research of the other listings. dirt

> cheap

> > compared to the so called health food venders we find online

> >

> > http://www.animedproducts.com/hjoint.html

> > mike

[Guest guest]

ROFL!!!!

Judy

On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 6:07 PM, <cking001@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> The only side effect is that he's barred from the racetracks now...

>

> Chuck

>

> Reporters interviewing a 104-year-old woman: " And

> what do you think is the best thing about being 104? "

> the reporter asked. She simply replied, " No peer

> pressure. "

>

>

> On 9/11/2011 3:19:59 PM, J Trettel (gnp222@...) wrote:

> > Horses?? I

> > don't mind that so much, but wonder what might be in it that

> > might be harmful to humans.

> > On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 8:55 AM, michaelinde <michaelinde@...>

> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > -Judy

> > >

> > > From one who has had his knees rebuilt by using the product below

> > > Case history

> > > 1 cartilage torn on right knee(surgery involved)'many

> > weeks of rehab and

> > > missing work

> > > 2 left knee doing same refused surgery (found this product)

> > > Three days later pain gone . Over the last year all symptoms gone

> > > Caution this formula was designed for horses only.Please take the time

> > to

> > > read the indigents and do your research. Very powerful stuff and dirt

> > cheap,

> > >

> > > http://www.animedproducts.com/images/AniFlexGL_Comparison_01-10_.pdf

> > >

> > > also for those who prefer the research of the other listings. dirt

> > cheap

> > > compared to the so called health food venders we find online

> > >

> > > http://www.animedproducts.com/hjoint.html

> > > mike

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Chuck,

I can assure you there is nothing in that formula that is illegal to be

used on race horses.

Re: Re: OT; regrowing cartilage

> The only side effect is that he's barred from the racetracks now...

>

> Chuck

>

> Reporters interviewing a 104-year-old woman: " And

> what do you think is the best thing about being 104? "

> the reporter asked. She simply replied, " No peer

> pressure. "

>

>

>

> On 9/11/2011 3:19:59 PM, J Trettel (gnp222@...) wrote:

>> Horses?? I

>> don't mind that so much, but wonder what might be in it that

>> might be harmful to humans.

>> On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 8:55 AM, michaelinde <michaelinde@...>

>> wrote:

>>

>> >

>> > -Judy

>> >

>> > From one who has had his knees rebuilt by using the product below

>> > Case history

>> > 1 cartilage torn on right knee(surgery involved)'many

>> weeks of rehab and

>> > missing work

>> > 2 left knee doing same refused surgery (found this product)

>> > Three days later pain gone . Over the last year all symptoms gone

>> > Caution this formula was designed for horses only.Please take the time

>> to

>> > read the indigents and do your research. Very powerful stuff and dirt

>> cheap,

>> >

>> > http://www.animedproducts.com/images/AniFlexGL_Comparison_01-10_.pdf

>> >

>> > also for those who prefer the research of the other listings. dirt

>> cheap

>> > compared to the so called health food venders we find online

>> >

>> > http://www.animedproducts.com/hjoint.html

>> > mike

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

But he's an unlicensed competitor to the track horses...

Chuck

My wife and I have the secret to making a marriage last.

Two times a week, we go to a nice restaurant, a little wine, good

food... She goes Tuesdays, I go Fridays.

On 9/11/2011 8:42:14 PM, Bob Banever (bbanever@...) wrote:

> Chuck,

>

> I can assure you there is nothing in that formula that is illegal to be

> used on race horses.

> Re: Re: OT; regrowing cartilage

>

>

> > The only side effect is that

> he's barred from the racetracks now...

> >

> > Chuck

> >

> > Reporters interviewing a 104-year-old woman: " And

> > what do you think is the best thing about being 104? "

> > the reporter asked. She simply replied, " No peer

> > pressure. "

> >

> >

> >

> > On 9/11/2011 3:19:59 PM, J Trettel (gnp222@...) wrote:

> >> Horses?? I

> >> don't

> mind that so much, but wonder what might be in it that

> >> might be harmful to humans.

> >> On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 8:55 AM, michaelinde <michaelinde@...>

> >> wrote:

> >>

> >> >

> >> > -Judy

> >> >

> >> > From one who has had his knees rebuilt by using the product below

> >> > Case history

> >> > 1 cartilage torn on right knee(surgery involved)'

[Guest guest]

JUdy

That is the reason I suggested to do the research on these products. The way I

did it was to open up- the labels list copy the ingredient then pasted it on the

search engine.

It blew me away the first few times when I did this and became angry when I

realized the horses had more value then us humans. No fillers in their

supplements.Just us humans

mike

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the chuckles Chuck. You're on a roll tonight :-)

Dee

> > >>

> > >> >

> > >> > -Judy

> > >> >

> > >> > From one who has had his knees rebuilt by using the product below

> > >> > Case history

> > >> > 1 cartilage torn on right knee(surgery involved)'

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ; OmegaAlpha SinewPlex looks a lot like a general-purpose multivitamin,

and the collagen might help joints too if it's type II.

My sister used " collastin " cetyl-myristoleate, which I think is a blend of

synethetic and natural CMO. Everlasting is the guaranteed product from Integris

Corp; my sis used the super starter kit, which included Everlasting Support. I

have the booklet At Last Collastin on my site here:

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/at_last_collastin.pdf

This is what she used; I have no corporate link anymore:

http://www.allproducts.com/sup006/adventure/330.html

all good,

Duncan

>

>

>

>

> Would you please provide a link to the product your sister used to help with

her knees.

>

> Thank you in advance,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Our family has used horse vitamins off and on for almost 40 years; we think they

are pretty safe. My parents buy a horse vitamin blend that contains selenium.

Funny that veterinarians are aware that animals have selenium-deficient diets

without supplementation but doctors are not aware of that with regard to their

own patients.

all good,

Duncan

>

> If you think about it, this stuff is the same thing that breeders of horses

that

> sell for millions of dollars.. they demand the best. Same for other breeders

of

> dogs, cats, and other animal livestock.

>

>

[Guest guest]

-Back in the eighties I was informed that the vets had access to the purest

form of vite while we humans could only buy the synthetic form. Which was a

byproduct of the Eastman Kodak co Kinda lets us know where we stand dosent it

mike

[Guest guest]

Duncan, of course, is correct. The difference between MSM and all of

the others is that you can take huge amounts of it without gastric

upset. I have always taken smaller amounts of the " others. " I am

especially a big fan of MicroLactin, but 1/2 gm a day is my limit.

Hyaluronic acid can only be taken in much smaller amounts or injected.

The whole idea here is to get the maximum amount of these nutrients

into the joints. Exercise is also key. Joints have very little blood

flow, so exercise is essential. But don't run... its too hard on them.

Regards,

Jim

>Hi ; OmegaAlpha SinewPlex looks a lot like a general-purpose

multivitamin, and the collagen might help joints too if it's type II.

My sister used " collastin " cetyl-myristoleate, which I think is a blend

of synethetic and natural CMO. Everlasting is the guaranteed product

from Integris Corp; my sis used the super starter kit, which included

Everlasting Support. I have the booklet At Last Collastin on my site here:

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/at_last_collastin.pdf

<http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/at_last_collastin.pdf>

This is what she used; I have no corporate link anymore:

http://www.allproducts.com/sup006/adventure/330.html

<http://www.allproducts.com/sup006/adventure/330.html>

all good,

Duncan<

[Guest guest]

HI HS:

This is the first I have heard of it. As I have stated sev. times

here... it has been described as the least toxic chemical on the planet

by some impressive people. My question would be: is it a result of the

release of a toxic burden? Do you have mercury

fillings? Either way, I would drop back for a month at lower amounts,

then try moving up again.

Unfortunately, I have plenty of mercury, but have been dealing with it

till I can find a dentist who knows how to take it out and the money to

do it.

I had this problem with 500mg Acetyl-L-Carnitine, dropped back by 1/2

and then stopped taking it altogether. Any vegans out there wanna buy

some cheap?

>Hi Jim,

There are those of us who have heart-related side effects from ingesting

MSM. I, for one, started on a low dose increasing it gradually. When I

got to about 1 tsp. (yes, only 1 tsp.!), I got severe heart

palpitations. To be sure, this happened several times as I was deducing

the cause. MSM! I used the purest MSM available (Opti). In googling for

research on this experience, I found that I am not alone. Many

individuals have had the exact same side effect. Some, frightened enough

to go to the ER. And, after thorough exam/testing, were found to have

nothing wrong with them.

So, can you explain these side effects? You seem to have a great deal of

experience with MSM and I'm hoping that someone can shed some light on

how/why this happens to some of us. Looking forward to your reply . . . .

Anne Zipkes

HS, AR<

[Guest guest]

Anne, it seems that a person who has been taking whey has been getting quite a

lot of organic sulfur and for some of those people additional may not really be

necessary. Similarly, glucosamine sulfate and fucoidans are very good sulfur

providers. Maybe the MSM isn't so important considering all your other sulfur

sources; like Jim says a little is a good start and you can ramp up from there.

all good,

Duncan

>

> HI HS:

>

> This is the first I have heard of it. As I have stated sev. times

> here... it has been described as the least toxic chemical on the planet

> by some impressive people. My question would be: is it a result of the

> release of a toxic burden? Do you have mercury

> fillings? Either way, I would drop back for a month at lower amounts,

> then try moving up again.

>

> Unfortunately, I have plenty of mercury, but have been dealing with it

> till I can find a dentist who knows how to take it out and the money to

> do it.

>

> I had this problem with 500mg Acetyl-L-Carnitine, dropped back by 1/2

> and then stopped taking it altogether. Any vegans out there wanna buy

> some cheap?

>

> >Hi Jim,

>

> There are those of us who have heart-related side effects from ingesting

> MSM. I, for one, started on a low dose increasing it gradually. When I

> got to about 1 tsp. (yes, only 1 tsp.!), I got severe heart

> palpitations. To be sure, this happened several times as I was deducing

> the cause. MSM! I used the purest MSM available (Opti). In googling for

> research on this experience, I found that I am not alone. Many

> individuals have had the exact same side effect. Some, frightened enough

> to go to the ER. And, after thorough exam/testing, were found to have

> nothing wrong with them.

>

> So, can you explain these side effects? You seem to have a great deal of

> experience with MSM and I'm hoping that someone can shed some light on

> how/why this happens to some of us. Looking forward to your reply . . . .

>

> Anne Zipkes

> HS, AR<

>

[Guest guest]

I was encouraged by the collagen and protein and the lipoic acid ... looks like

a really great formulation.

Can this be taken with what your sister took or is that overkill? Trying to

find a solid regimen that stick with and change up periodically and/or just take

a break for a few weeks every few months.

The information your provided on the Collastin is very intersting. There is so

much information on different threads I'd love to get down to one concise list

for daily use for basic health and specific issues relating to anti-aging /

joints etc.

I will try to find more information on the Everlast products which sound really

great and the testimonials your provided add to the level of assurance needed to

unertake a healing program.

Thanks you!!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Would you please provide a link to the product your sister used to help with

her knees.

> >

> > Thank you in advance,

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

No it's not overkill to take both formulas because cetyl-myristoleate in

Everlasting (Collastin) can be one of the more useful ingredients for joint

recovery. In a " best " approach you can not overlook nutrition, vitamins,

minerals etc., and a wholistic approach looks at potential deficiencies.

all good,

Duncan

>

> I was encouraged by the collagen and protein and the lipoic acid ... looks

like a really great formulation.

>

> Can this be taken with what your sister took or is that overkill? Trying to

find a solid regimen that stick with and change up periodically and/or just take

a break for a few weeks every few months.

>

> The information your provided on the Collastin is very intersting. There is so

much information on different threads I'd love to get down to one concise list

for daily use for basic health and specific issues relating to anti-aging /

joints etc.

>

> I will try to find more information on the Everlast products which sound

really great and the testimonials your provided add to the level of assurance

needed to unertake a healing program.

>

> Thanks you!!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Jim.

I appreciate your response. Yes, I have amalgam fillings - not many - but some.

Over the past 5-6 years, I have detoxed many different times, using many

different processes - some, specifically for mercury. It does not seem to me to

be the problem, especially with a number of others experiencing the same side

effect. But, I don't know for sure. I never kept records.

If anyone else has ever heard of heart palpitations as a side effect of oral

MSM, please share your thoughts.

BTW: All that was ever prescribed for my horse (big, heavy, 1200# AQHx) was one

cup per day. And that was for some very serious joint damage. Was my vet

overly cautious or are your suggested amounts overly enthusiastic? There's

quite a variance!

Love and Laughter,

Anne Zipkes

HS, AR

[Guest guest]

Hi Duncan,

Thanks for your input. At only 1/2 to 1 tsp. (compared to the suggested cups)

of oral MSM, I am inclined to think that there is something else going on . . .

.. especially with others having very similar side effects. While my heart

palpitations didn't send me to the ER, they were of great concern. So, it's

good to know that I may be getting sufficient sulfur with my current sulfur

sources. If more sulfur is indicated in the future, I will go low and slow.

BUT, I'm still curious about these heart palpitations. So, if anyone knows

anything, please share.

Love and Laughter,

Anne Zipkes

HS,AR

[Guest guest]

On 2011-09-12 8:10 PM, Anne Zipkes <acutez@...> wrote:

> BUT, I'm still curious about these heart palpitations. So, if anyone

> knows anything, please share.

Can be caused by adrenal fatigue, too much lactic acid buildup, too much

aspartame or MSG, or simple electrolyte imbalance

(calcium/sodium/potassium/magnesium).

Raw Apple Cider Vinegar+Sodium Bi-Carb is a natural remedy that helps many.

Also, Hawthorne is *the* heart remedy...

But this doesn't address why you only get them when taking MSM...

[Guest guest]

>>

> If anyone else has ever heard of heart palpitations as a side effect of oral

MSM, please share your thoughts.

>

Hi Anne,

It sounds like you have done some research on this but wonder if you came across

the responses on Earth Clinic - MSM Cures & Side Effects:

http://www.earthclinic.com/Supplements/MSM2.html

If not, it's worth checking out as they mention a number of possibilities.

Best,

Dee

[Guest guest]

Anne, just be very sure they are heart palpitations before you react. It's my

understanding that without the right equipment you wouldn't detect your own

palpitations, and repetitive thumps in the chest normally turn out to be

bronchial spasms. Many people think they have palpitations that turn out to be

bronchial spasms. I get them myself

all good,

Duncan

>

> Hi Duncan,

>

> Thanks for your input. At only 1/2 to 1 tsp. (compared to the suggested cups)

of oral MSM, I am inclined to think that there is something else going on . . .

.. especially with others having very similar side effects. While my heart

palpitations didn't send me to the ER, they were of great concern. So, it's

good to know that I may be getting sufficient sulfur with my current sulfur

sources. If more sulfur is indicated in the future, I will go low and slow.

>

> BUT, I'm still curious about these heart palpitations. So, if anyone knows

anything, please share.

>

> Love and Laughter,

> Anne Zipkes

> HS,AR

>

>

[Guest guest]

Could be a heart qi deficiency. I'd have to examine you in person. Zhi

Gan Cao Wan is a possibility.

On 9/13/2011 5:27 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:

> On 2011-09-12 8:10 PM, Anne Zipkes<acutez@...> wrote:

>> BUT, I'm still curious about these heart palpitations. So, if anyone

>> knows anything, please share.

> Can be caused by adrenal fatigue, too much lactic acid buildup, too much

> aspartame or MSG, or simple electrolyte imbalance

> (calcium/sodium/potassium/magnesium).

>

> Raw Apple Cider Vinegar+Sodium Bi-Carb is a natural remedy that helps many.

>

> Also, Hawthorne is *the* heart remedy...

>

> But this doesn't address why you only get them when taking MSM...

>

>

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>

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