Re: Re: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut oil hailed as cure for alzheimers

[Guest guest]

My problem with the article is the use of the word " cure " .

MCT oil should be seriously considered for Dementias and Insurance should pay

for it, but it cannot cure, it can only help maintain a level of brain

competency for a longer period of time. The brain cells will most likely

continue to deteriorate and I would bet that eventually, MCT oil will cease to

work at all. Long term studies are needed, but there is no reason why all

patients can't use MCT oil, except the fact that they still need a control group

to compare to. Anyway, 1 to 3 tbs. a day probably won't hurt anyone as long as

they are lowering the other fats considerably , and, especially, the bad ones to

zero.

Science has to figure out what is causing the accumulation of plaque in the

brain, then maybe a " cure " can be found via medicine or natural healing.

laura

________________________________

From: Dolores <dgk@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Mon, August 29, 2011 10:52:51 AM

Subject: Re: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut oil

hailed as cure for alzheimers

Hi and all,

As usual, it's difficult to get the whole story from a news item so you might

want to check out the story by Newport herself. There is a pdf with the

story of how she started her husband on coconut oil (yes, the oil only):

http://www.coconutketones.com/WhatIfCure.pdf

- and a blog that started in 2008 to the present:

http://coconutketones.blogspot.com/

Here are three quotes for those who may not have the time to read everything

there:

" quote: " I also learned that MCT oil is derived from coconut oil...the " aha "

moment that changed our lives! I looked up everything I could about ketones,

medium chain triglycerides and the nutrient breakdown of coconut oil and learned

that it was 60% MCTs. I calculated from the patent application how much coconut

oil (35 grams or 7 teaspoons) would be needed to give Steve 20 grams of MCTs. It

was very early in the morning and I had to go to bed and unfortunately there was

no time to find coconut oil before his 9 am appointment, so he scored dismally

again on the MMSE and didn't qualify for that study. Thinking " What have we got

to lose? " we drove to a store in Tampa (Whole Foods) where I had seen coconut

oil on the shelf and the rest is history. "

" Why we are (now) using the MCT oil/Coconut oil mixture:

We are using MCT oil because Steve's ketone levels were higher with MCT oil than

coconut oil, but were also gone twice as fast (by three hours). We kept the

coconut oil because the levels last longer (at least 6-7 hours). I figure that

by mixing the two he will get the benefit of the higher levels from the MCT oil

and the longer lasting levels of the coconut oil. "

Also:

" There are two very interesting videos posted on www.youtube.com by people with

Alzheimer's who have had dramatic responses to coconut oil, as well as a video

from a man whose " brain fog " lifted with coconut oil. If you go to YouTube and

do a search for Alzheimer's and coconut oil they will pop up. " end quotes

She has LOT'S more info on her blog page, though, for those who have the time.

All the Best,

Dee

-- In Coconut Oil , Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

>

> We have to wait for the study he was denied to find out if its just the MCT

oil

>

> by itself or if the whole coconut oil is necessary since the study was just

> using the MCT oil and Dr. Newport used coconut oil.

>

>

> I kind of doubt that its a cure in the sense that the brain returns to normal,

> rather it gets more energy to the brain cells that are still working well.

For

>

> it to be a cure, it would have to allow for the brain cells to be replaced by

> new ones or repair the damaged cells and I have not read or heard that the

> energy provided by MCT oil does that.

>

> C

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: AGPacific Nutriceutical <agnutriceutical@...>

> Coconut forum <Coconut Oil >

> Sent: Sun, August 28, 2011 8:35:49 AM

> Subject: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut oil

> hailed as cure for alzheimers

>

>

> Would like to share this news item from our little spot of the planet.

>

>http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/48957/virgin-coconut-oil-hailed-as-cure-for-alzhei\

mer%E2%80%99s

>s

>

>

> Tony

>

>

[Guest guest]

On 2011-08-29 12:37 PM, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

> My wife and I use 2 tbsp MCT oil for energy and she also takes an extra

> tbsp for weight loss.

I'm curious as to which brand you use Duncan?

Thanks

[Guest guest]

Dee,

please re read my post, I didn't say it wasn't worth taking... I said it was and

not only that, insurance should pay for it.

laura c.

________________________________

From: Dolores <dgk@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Mon, August 29, 2011 1:30:06 PM

Subject: Re: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut oil

hailed as cure for alzheimers

,

While it may not be a " cure " in the case of very advanced alzheimers it has

certainly reduced Newport's husband's very severe case - and he has remained at

that good functioning level since 2008. So are you saying that unless it is a

complete cure it is not worth taking? You can't seriously believe that! You have

yourself said that you take a combination of VCO and MCT oils and that your

memory has improved.

Here is a u-tube video of a man who started coconut oil as soon as he began

having symptoms (memory loss, names, etc.) and his symptoms went away

completely:

Well worth a watch.

Dee

> >

> > We have to wait for the study he was denied to find out if its just the MCT

>oil

>

> >

> > by itself or if the whole coconut oil is necessary since the study was just

> > using the MCT oil and Dr. Newport used coconut oil.

> >

> >

> > I kind of doubt that its a cure in the sense that the brain returns to

>normal,

>

>

> > rather it gets more energy to the brain cells that are still working well.

>For

>

> >

> > it to be a cure, it would have to allow for the brain cells to be replaced

by

>

> > new ones or repair the damaged cells and I have not read or heard that the

> > energy provided by MCT oil does that.

> >

> > C

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: AGPacific Nutriceutical <agnutriceutical@>

> > Coconut forum <Coconut Oil >

> > Sent: Sun, August 28, 2011 8:35:49 AM

> > Subject: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut oil

> > hailed as cure for alzheimers

> >

> >

> > Would like to share this news item from our little spot of the planet.

> >

>>http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/48957/virgin-coconut-oil-hailed-as-cure-for-alzhe\

imer%E2%80%99s

>s

> >s

> >

> >

> > Tony

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

On 2011-08-29 1:30 PM, Dolores <dgk@...> wrote:

> While it may not be a " cure " in the case of very advanced alzheimers it

> has certainly reduced Newport's husband's very severe case - and he has

> remained at that good functioning level since 2008. So are you saying

> that unless it is a complete cure it is not worth taking? You can't

> seriously believe that!

Please learn to read Dee... there is no rational basis for that

conclusion based on what she said... which was:

> MCT oil should be seriously considered for Dementias and Insurance

> should pay for it, but it cannot cure, it can only help maintain a

> level of brain competency for a longer period of time.

How does that equate to 'not worth taking'?

[Guest guest]

The whey wasn't good for me, I gave the rest to my nephew.

Still, I would be interested in the study that was using MCT only. I have no

idea if the Mix of VCO and MCT is more effective and right now I would say no

one does... and I can't say since I cook with VCO and take the MCT by itself or

mixed in food.

________________________________

From: Dolores <dgk@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Mon, August 29, 2011 3:48:54 PM

Subject: Re: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut oil

hailed as cure for alzheimers

Yes, I did re-read it Laua and I apologize for that part of my reply. I

remembered that on the way to the grocery store and just got back.

I guess my problem with your response was the fact it inspired our resident

genius - who I not longer reply to - who once again poo-poo'd the use of coconut

oil for alzheimers and, once again, promoted the use of MCT oil alone (when I

clearly pointed out the reason that Newhart now uses BOTH, though she

acheived remarkable results with VCO alone). Then he goes on to suggest

undenatured whey may be the cure! Yeah, we can put that in the same category as

his butter cure :-)

All the Best,

Dee

> > >

> > > We have to wait for the study he was denied to find out if its just the

MCT

>

> >oil

> >

> > >

> > > by itself or if the whole coconut oil is necessary since the study was

just

>

> > > using the MCT oil and Dr. Newport used coconut oil.

> > >

> > >

> > > I kind of doubt that its a cure in the sense that the brain returns to

> >normal,

> >

> >

> > > rather it gets more energy to the brain cells that are still working well.

> >For

> >

> > >

> > > it to be a cure, it would have to allow for the brain cells to be replaced

>by

>

> >

> > > new ones or repair the damaged cells and I have not read or heard that the

> > > energy provided by MCT oil does that.

> > >

> > > C

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > From: AGPacific Nutriceutical <agnutriceutical@>

> > > Coconut forum <Coconut Oil >

> > > Sent: Sun, August 28, 2011 8:35:49 AM

> > > Subject: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut

oil

>

> > > hailed as cure for alzheimers

> > >

> > >

> > > Would like to share this news item from our little spot of the planet.

> > >

>>>http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/48957/virgin-coconut-oil-hailed-as-cure-for-alzh\

eimer%E2%80%99s

>s

> >s

> > >s

> > >

> > >

> > > Tony

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I don't know the answer to that. I am using NOW MCT oil. And it says it is

distilled from coconut and palm oil both. But it works for me.

C

________________________________

From: joehomps <jh@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Mon, August 29, 2011 8:14:55 PM

Subject: Re: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut oil

hailed as cure for alzheimers

I did not follow the whole thread. So can someone clarify what is the best

source of the MCT (medium chain triglyceride)? Should it be from coconut, or

palm, or whatever natural source? I believe the source of the MCT should make a

difference in its use/efficacy.

Joe

> > > >

> > > > We have to wait for the study he was denied to find out if its just the

>MCT

>

> >

> > >oil

> > >

> > > >

> > > > by itself or if the whole coconut oil is necessary since the study was

>just

>

> >

> > > > using the MCT oil and Dr. Newport used coconut oil.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I kind of doubt that its a cure in the sense that the brain returns to

> > >normal,

> > >

> > >

> > > > rather it gets more energy to the brain cells that are still working

>well.

>

>

> > >For

> > >

> > > >

> > > > it to be a cure, it would have to allow for the brain cells to be

>replaced

>

> >by

> >

> > >

> > > > new ones or repair the damaged cells and I have not read or heard that

>the

>

>

> > > > energy provided by MCT oil does that.

> > > >

> > > > C

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > From: AGPacific Nutriceutical <agnutriceutical@>

> > > > Coconut forum <Coconut Oil >

> > > > Sent: Sun, August 28, 2011 8:35:49 AM

> > > > Subject: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut

>oil

>

> >

> > > > hailed as cure for alzheimers

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Would like to share this news item from our little spot of the planet.

> > > >

>>>>http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/48957/virgin-coconut-oil-hailed-as-cure-for-alz\

heimer%E2%80%99s

>s

> >s

> > >s

> > > >s

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Tony

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I agree with . The newspaper reporter should have used the term " treatment "

rather than " cure. "

I was following this thread and I admire the positive and intelligent responses

from this group. I guess that's the effect of taking VCO and/or MCT.

From: Cody <lecody2001@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut

oil hailed as cure for alzheimers

Coconut Oil

Date: Tuesday, 30 August, 2011, 2:02 AM

 

Dee,

please re read my post, I didn't say it wasn't worth taking... I said it was and

not only that, insurance should pay for it.

laura c.

________________________________

From: Dolores <dgk@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Mon, August 29, 2011 1:30:06 PM

Subject: Re: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut oil

hailed as cure for alzheimers

,

While it may not be a " cure " in the case of very advanced alzheimers it has

certainly reduced Newport's husband's very severe case - and he has remained at

that good functioning level since 2008. So are you saying that unless it is a

complete cure it is not worth taking? You can't seriously believe that! You have

yourself said that you take a combination of VCO and MCT oils and that your

memory has improved.

Here is a u-tube video of a man who started coconut oil as soon as he began

having symptoms (memory loss, names, etc.) and his symptoms went away

completely:

Well worth a watch.

Dee

> >

> > We have to wait for the study he was denied to find out if its just the MCT

>oil

>

> >

> > by itself or if the whole coconut oil is necessary since the study was just

> > using the MCT oil and Dr. Newport used coconut oil.

> >

> >

> > I kind of doubt that its a cure in the sense that the brain returns to

>normal,

>

>

> > rather it gets more energy to the brain cells that are still working well.

>For

>

> >

> > it to be a cure, it would have to allow for the brain cells to be replaced

by

>

> > new ones or repair the damaged cells and I have not read or heard that the

> > energy provided by MCT oil does that.

> >

> > C

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: AGPacific Nutriceutical <agnutriceutical@>

> > Coconut forum <Coconut Oil >

> > Sent: Sun, August 28, 2011 8:35:49 AM

> > Subject: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut oil

> > hailed as cure for alzheimers

> >

> >

> > Would like to share this news item from our little spot of the planet.

> >

>>http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/48957/virgin-coconut-oil-hailed-as-cure-for-alzhe\

imer%E2%80%99s

>s

> >s

> >

> >

> > Tony

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

A study could be done with MCT only group and a VCO/MCT group and a Placebo

group. But I can't imagine that anyone will put up the money for such a study

because none of the above can be patented so it would have to be the Coconut Oil

Industry.. and why would they care, since they would sell CO regardless of how

it was packaged for sale.

And the MCT oil that Docs recommend cost around 80 bucks or so and I would bet

that brand is funding the study. NOW brand costs are 19 dollars and change.

But the study done is MCT or Placebo only so that is all we will have the info

on. And I realize that even though she is a doctor, Newport is not unbiased and

a study of one is not a study so no scientist is going to take her Anecdotal

evidence. Perhaps not fair, but that is the way it is. .

Even so, if someone I loved had Alzheimer's, I would be sure to encourage them

to take MCT oil straight and at least cook with VCO but you would be amazed

about how tough a sell that would be with some people that won't do or take

anything a doctor doesn't tell them to.

For example, I tried for 2 years to get my sister to take Vitamin D for her back

spasms and pain [osteomalacia], she even went so far to get a motorized chair

cause she couldn't walk very far, and until a Rheumotogist finally tested [the

right test] her and found her deficient did she start taking D and low and

behold her back pain and spasms went away. The thing is, she saw me go through

the same thing and saw how much improved I had gotten, still, till the Doc said

take this, she wouldn't do it.

The chair mostly sits in the garage gathering dust... I am sure she will need it

someday for real, but not for some time.

________________________________

From: Dolores <dgk@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Tue, August 30, 2011 1:47:23 PM

Subject: Re: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut oil

hailed as cure for alzheimers

, can you explain how a study using MCT only would show how a mixture of

VCO and MCT is more effective than MCT alone? Wouldn't that study have to be

divided between people who took VCO only and those who mixed the two? An MCT

only study would only contain folks who took MCT and those taking a placebo,

would it not?

And how can you say that " no one does " (know which is more effective) when

Newport reported that:

" We are using MCT oil because Steve's ketone levels were higher with MCT oil

than coconut oil, but were also gone twice as fast (by three hours). We kept the

coconut oil because the levels last longer (at least 6-7 hours). "

Seems like a good enough reason to me, but if you remain skeptical you can

always do your own experimenting rather than waiting for a study.

Best,

Dee

-

[Guest guest]

The problem with Alzheimer's is that plaque is being formed, destroying the

neuron. The plaque'd neurons do not disappear, so new neurons have no place to

go... However, MCT oil gives the good neurons left more energy and since new

pathways can be made/found memory improves up to a point and should slow down

the progression of the disease.

Still, eventually, MCT oil won't help because there won't be enough healthy

neurons to carry on...

Lalura C.

________________________________

From: Dolores <dgk@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Tue, August 30, 2011 1:31:48 PM

Subject: Re: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut oil

hailed as cure for alzheimers

Hi Archie,

I also agree that the reporter should have used the term " treatment " rather than

" cure " ; however, isn't that just par for the course in journalistic headlines

these days? I see no reason, however, to let that divert us from the fact that

(when used in proper amounts throughout the day) it has exhibited the ability to

stop it in it's tracks, and is therefore the closest thing to a cure that anyone

has found so far. Not only that, but as we are all here aware, prevention is

always preferable to medicine, and Bruce Fife presents an excellent case on both

counts here:

http://tinyurl.com/3bdhfg8

And for someone to say, as our " resident authority " recently did that " . . .the

MCT oil only

represents an alternative way to supply energy to some of the marginalised brain

cell and the disease pathogenesis remains unaffected because there's nothing at

all in the approach to address these issues. " seems patently ridiculous in light

of the remarkable, and rapid recovery made in some of the most advanced cases.

In addition, the previous notion that brain cells cannot be regenerated has been

replaced by newer discoveries;

http://tinyurl.com/3k9r8yv

PRINCETON, N.J. -- In a finding that eventually could lead to new methods for

treating brain diseases and injuries, Princeton scientists have shown that new

neurons are continually added to the cerebral cortex of adult monkeys. The

discovery reverses a dogma nearly a century old and suggests entirely new ways

of explaining how the mind accomplishes its basic functions, from problem

solving to learning and memory.

Gould and Gross report in the Oct. 15 issue of Science that

the formation of new neurons or nerve cells -- neurogenesis -- takes place in

several regions of the cerebral cortex that are crucial for cognitive and

perceptual functions. The cerebral cortex is the most complex region of the

brain and is responsible for highest-level decision making and for recognizing

and learning about the world. The results strongly imply that the same process

occurs in humans, because monkeys and humans have fundamentally similar brain

structures.

" This is an absolutely novel result, " says T. Greenough, director of the

neuroscience program at the University of Illinois' Beckman Institute. " These

data scream for a reanalysis of human brain development. "

Best,

Dee

>

> > >

>

> > > We have to wait for the study he was denied to find out if its just the

MCT

>

>

> >oil

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> > > by itself or if the whole coconut oil is necessary since the study was

just

>

>

> > > using the MCT oil and Dr. Newport used coconut oil.

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > I kind of doubt that its a cure in the sense that the brain returns to

>

> >normal,

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > > rather it gets more energy to the brain cells that are still working well.

>

> >For

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> > > it to be a cure, it would have to allow for the brain cells to be replaced

>by

>

>

> >

>

> > > new ones or repair the damaged cells and I have not read or heard that the

>

> > > energy provided by MCT oil does that.

>

> > >

>

> > > C

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > ________________________________

>

> > > From: AGPacific Nutriceutical <agnutriceutical@>

>

> > > Coconut forum <Coconut Oil >

>

> > > Sent: Sun, August 28, 2011 8:35:49 AM

>

> > > Subject: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut

oil

>

>

> > > hailed as cure for alzheimers

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Would like to share this news item from our little spot of the planet.

>

> > >

>

>>>http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/48957/virgin-coconut-oil-hailed-as-cure-for-alzh\

eimer%E2%80%99s

>s

>

> >s

>

> > >s

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Tony

>

> > >

>

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dee,

My sister was not convinced, she would not take the D until a doctor told her

too.... please re read my post.

Newport is personally biased and will likely see improvement that is not

objective because she really wants to see that improvement. Happens all the

time.

When I say something works for me, I no longer tell anyone it will work for

them... they can only try it for themselves since my experience is, by

definition, anecdotal.

And Dee, I do use both MCT oil and VCO. I mix the MCT in the food or take it as

is and I cook with VCO. All I can say is that I DID NOT have the memory

improvement with the VCO ONLY and I was taking up to 5 tablespoons a day. That

improvement only happened when I added MCT oil.

It could be that MCT oil by itself is all that is needed, but I won't know that

until and IF I decide to just do MCT by itself without any vco at all.

C

________________________________

From: Dolores <dgk@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Tue, August 30, 2011 3:09:45 PM

Subject: Re: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut oil

hailed as cure for alzheimers

, your reply provides no explanation as to why you are waiting for the

study of MCT only. Why not just mix the two and experiment on your own? And

since your sister was convinced by your own experience with Vitamin D, why then

are you so reluctant to be equally convinced by Dr. Newport's experience with

her husband and VCO/MCT? I fail to see how you can call that " biased " unless she

is profiting from the sale of VCO, which there is no indication that she is. And

even though she has written a book, her information is freely available on the

internet - provided regularly by Dr. Newport herself.

Dee

>

> A study could be done with MCT only group and a VCO/MCT group and a Placebo

> group. But I can't imagine that anyone will put up the money for such a study

> because none of the above can be patented so it would have to be the Coconut

>Oil

>

> Industry.. and why would they care, since they would sell CO regardless of how

> it was packaged for sale.

>

> But the study done is MCT or Placebo only so that is all we will have the info

> on. And I realize that even though she is a doctor, Newport is not unbiased

>and

>

> a study of one is not a study so no scientist is going to take her Anecdotal

> evidence. Perhaps not fair, but that is the way it is. .

>

> Even so, if someone I loved had Alzheimer's, I would be sure to encourage them

> to take MCT oil straight and at least cook with VCO but you would be amazed

> about how tough a sell that would be with some people that won't do or take

> anything a doctor doesn't tell them to.

>

> For example, I tried for 2 years to get my sister to take Vitamin D for her

>back

>

> spasms and pain [osteomalacia], she even went so far to get a motorized chair

> cause she couldn't walk very far, and until a Rheumotogist finally tested [the

> right test] her and found her deficient did she start taking D and low and

> behold her back pain and spasms went away. The thing is, she saw me go

through

>

> the same thing and saw how much improved I had gotten, still, till the Doc

said

>

> take this, she wouldn't do it.

>

> The chair mostly sits in the garage gathering dust... I am sure she will need

>it

>

> someday for real, but not for some time.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am not sure what you mean by this?

C.

________________________________

From: Dolores <dgk@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Tue, August 30, 2011 3:12:45 PM

Subject: Re: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut oil

hailed as cure for alzheimers

I think we have to be careful about making definitive statements regarding

Alzheimer's and the brain. This is an area in which little is known and much is

yet to be discovered.

Dee

>

> The problem with Alzheimer's is that plaque is being formed, destroying the

> neuron. The plaque'd neurons do not disappear, so new neurons have no place

to

>

> go... However, MCT oil gives the good neurons left more energy and since new

> pathways can be made/found memory improves up to a point and should slow down

> the progression of the disease.

>

>

> Still, eventually, MCT oil won't help because there won't be enough healthy

> neurons to carry on...

>

> Lalura C.

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I understood the article, but what does that have to do with MCT oil and

Alzheimer's? It obvious that our [probable] ability to create/replace neurons

hasn't stopped dementia's in their tracks at all so far... they are still here.

C.

________________________________

From: Dolores <dgk@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Tue, August 30, 2011 5:10:24 PM

Subject: Re: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut oil

hailed as cure for alzheimers

What I mean, , is that unless you are a scientist currently involved in

alzheimer (or brain) research you are simply mimicking information the public is

fed prior to information that may or may not yet be available; therefore, to say

something like " -- eventually, MCT oil won't help because there won't be enough

healthy neurons to carry on. " --as you have claimed with such assurance, is

something only time will tell. Did you read my previous link to the

Gould and Gross report? :

http://tinyurl.com/3k9r8yv

While it may not address alzheimers specifically, it surely addresses an

evolving understanding of the brain and it's abilities previously considered

impossible.

Dee

In Coconut Oil , Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

>

> I am not sure what you mean by this?

>

> C.

>

> ________________________________

> From: Dolores <dgk@...>

> Coconut Oil

> Sent: Tue, August 30, 2011 3:12:45 PM

> Subject: Re: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut

oil

>

> hailed as cure for alzheimers

>

>

> I think we have to be careful about making definitive statements regarding

> Alzheimer's and the brain. This is an area in which little is known and much

is

>

> yet to be discovered.

>

>

> Dee

>

>

> >

> > The problem with Alzheimer's is that plaque is being formed, destroying the

> > neuron. The plaque'd neurons do not disappear, so new neurons have no place

>to

>

> >

> > go... However, MCT oil gives the good neurons left more energy and since

new

>

> > pathways can be made/found memory improves up to a point and should slow

down

>

> > the progression of the disease.

> >

> >

> > Still, eventually, MCT oil won't help because there won't be enough healthy

> > neurons to carry on..MCT oil won't help because there won't be enough

healthy

>

> > neurons to carry on..

> >

> > Lalura C.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________>

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

________________________________

From: Dolores <dgk@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Tue, August 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM

Subject: Re: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut oil

hailed as cure for alzheimers

> >

> > A study could be done with MCT only group and a VCO/MCT group and a Placebo

> > group. But I can't imagine that anyone will put up the money for such a

>study

>

>

> > because none of the above can be patented so it would have to be the Coconut

> >Oil

> >

> > Industry.. and why would they care, since they would sell CO regardless of

>how

>

>

> > it was packaged for sale.

>

> >

> > But the study done is MCT or Placebo only so that is all we will have the

>info

>

>

> > on. And I realize that even though she is a doctor, Newport is not unbiased

> >and

> >

> > a study of one is not a study so no scientist is going to take her Anecdotal

> > evidence. Perhaps not fair, but that is the way it is. .

> >

> > Even so, if someone I loved had Alzheimer's, I would be sure to encourage

>them

>

>

> > to take MCT oil straight and at least cook with VCO but you would be amazed

> > about how tough a sell that would be with some people that won't do or take

> > anything a doctor doesn't tell them to.

> >

> > For example, I tried for 2 years to get my sister to take Vitamin D for her

> >back

> >

> > spasms and pain [osteomalacia], she even went so far to get a motorized

chair

>

> > cause she couldn't walk very far, and until a Rheumotogist finally tested

>[the

>

>

> > right test] her and found her deficient did she start taking D and low and

> > behold her back pain and spasms went away. The thing is, she saw me go

>through

>

> >

> > the same thing and saw how much improved I had gotten, still, till the Doc

>said

>

> >

> > take this, she wouldn't do it.

> >

> > The chair mostly sits in the garage gathering dust... I am sure she will

need

>

> >it

> >

> > someday for real, but not for some time.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dr Fife is a ND, not a neurologist, nor an expert of any kind where the brain is

concerned. He knows a lot about coconut oil, but I cannot consider him an

expert in the area of Alzheimer's.

C.

________________________________

From: Dolores <dgk@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Tue, August 30, 2011 8:34:08 PM

Subject: Re: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut oil

hailed as cure for alzheimers

,

Are you aware of the fact that scans of Dr. Newport's husband confirm that the

atrophy in his brain has come to a complete halt? And if, as the article I

referenced suggests, neurogenesis is now considered possible, isn't it also

possible (or even probable) that could be what's going on in those taking

MCT/VCO whose condition is not yet as severe, and whose symptoms have

disappeared completely?

Here is a simpler explanation of the evolving understanding of neurogenesis:

http://www.wellesley.edu/Biology/Concepts/Html/neurogenesiswhat.html

So do you have any information that allows you to know for certain that MCT/VCO

contribute nothing to neurogenesis? That is certainly not the opinion of Dr.

Fife:

http://tinyurl.com/3bdhfg8

Dee

In Coconut Oil , Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

>

> Yes, I understood the article, but what does that have to do with MCT oil and

> Alzheimer's? It obvious that our [probable] ability to create/replace neurons

> hasn't stopped dementia's in their tracks at all so far... they are still

here.

>

> C.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Great update on brain regeneration issue!  Thanks so much Dee.

Tony

________________________________

From: Dolores <dgk@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 1:31 AM

Subject: Re: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut oil

hailed as cure for alzheimers

 

Hi Archie,

I also agree that the reporter should have used the term " treatment " rather than

" cure " ; however, isn't that just par for the course in journalistic headlines

these days? I see no reason, however, to let that divert us from the fact that

(when used in proper amounts throughout the day) it has exhibited the ability to

stop it in it's tracks, and is therefore the closest thing to a cure that anyone

has found so far. Not only that, but as we are all here aware, prevention is

always preferable to medicine, and Bruce Fife presents an excellent case on both

counts here:

http://tinyurl.com/3bdhfg8

And for someone to say, as our " resident authority " recently did that " . . .the

MCT oil only

represents an alternative way to supply energy to some of the marginalised brain

cell and the disease pathogenesis remains unaffected because there's nothing at

all in the approach to address these issues. " seems patently ridiculous in light

of the remarkable, and rapid recovery made in some of the most advanced cases.

In addition, the previous notion that brain cells cannot be regenerated has been

replaced by newer discoveries;

http://tinyurl.com/3k9r8yv

PRINCETON, N.J. -- In a finding that eventually could lead to new methods for

treating brain diseases and injuries, Princeton scientists have shown that new

neurons are continually added to the cerebral cortex of adult monkeys. The

discovery reverses a dogma nearly a century old and suggests entirely new ways

of explaining how the mind accomplishes its basic functions, from problem

solving to learning and memory.

Gould and Gross report in the Oct. 15 issue of Science that

the formation of new neurons or nerve cells -- neurogenesis -- takes place in

several regions of the cerebral cortex that are crucial for cognitive and

perceptual functions. The cerebral cortex is the most complex region of the

brain and is responsible for highest-level decision making and for recognizing

and learning about the world. The results strongly imply that the same process

occurs in humans, because monkeys and humans have fundamentally similar brain

structures.

" This is an absolutely novel result, " says T. Greenough, director of the

neuroscience program at the University of Illinois' Beckman Institute. " These

data scream for a reanalysis of human brain development. "

Best,

Dee

>

> > >

>

> > > We have to wait for the study he was denied to find out if its just the

MCT

>

> >oil

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> > > by itself or if the whole coconut oil is necessary since the study was

just

>

> > > using the MCT oil and Dr. Newport used coconut oil.

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > I kind of doubt that its a cure in the sense that the brain returns to

>

> >normal,

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > > rather it gets more energy to the brain cells that are still working well.

>

> >For

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> > > it to be a cure, it would have to allow for the brain cells to be replaced

by

>

> >

>

> > > new ones or repair the damaged cells and I have not read or heard that the

>

> > > energy provided by MCT oil does that.

>

> > >

>

> > > C

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > ________________________________

>

> > > From: AGPacific Nutriceutical <agnutriceutical@>

>

> > > Coconut forum <Coconut Oil >

>

> > > Sent: Sun, August 28, 2011 8:35:49 AM

>

> > > Subject: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut

oil

>

> > > hailed as cure for alzheimers

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Would like to share this news item from our little spot of the planet.

>

> > >

>

>

>>http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/48957/virgin-coconut-oil-hailed-as-cure-for-alzhe\

imer%E2%80%99s

>

> >s

>

> > >s

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Tony

>

> > >

>

> > >

[Guest guest]

Great info! Thanks Duncan.

Tony

________________________________

From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:14 AM

Subject: Re: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut oil

hailed as cure for alzheimers

 

This page on brainfuels.com lists some of the ways ketone bodies are have been

found to contribute, 1971 to present:

<http://brainfuels.com/category/energy-substrates/ketone-bodies/page/2/>

all good,

Duncan

[Guest guest]

Look Dee, I like Dr. Fife. I have listened to many podcasts where he was

interviewed and I take from him what is useful to me. But neither he nor you

nor I have any EXPERTISE in Alzheimer's.

I am not too crazy about modern medicine, but I do believe in the scientific

method, and even Dr. Newport should believe in that, and I suspect if you could

talk to her she would acknowledge that until the official studies are done, any

thing she has direct knowledge of, meaning her case study of one, on her

husband, is anecdotal and that she is biased.

I am not saying it is meaningless, it is a start, but we have to wait for the

official and hopefully double blind studies to be done to really know what role

MCT oil will take in its treatment. Then we have long years to wait to find out

if MCT oil is a stop gap measure or if it can stop the brain destruction in its

tracks. And not an expert, but I sort of doubt it will cure dementia's.

I have learned that you have to put your faith in experts and you have to make

sure the expert in question really is one in the subject at hand.

And the more I read and learn about health and disease, the more I realize that

the first place we should look for cures or treatments for anything is food, the

whole food when possible.

When it come to people or pets that are close to us, we are all biased. I have

been experiencing that myself for the last year with a very dear pet that I

finally had to euthanize last month. My bias was is only looking for

indications of good health rather than noting the times that she was not well.

Which, once I had finally acknowledged that it had to end, could I see how few

good days she had been having.

So please understand that I am not dinging Dr. Newport, just understanding how

unintentionally biased we can all be.

So can we end this thread for now? Please!

C.

________________________________

From: Dolores <dgk@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Wed, August 31, 2011 11:28:29 AM

Subject: Re: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut oil

hailed as cure for alzheimers

And you consider yourself to be an expert then, ? Are you a neurologist? If

so then please enlighten us as to YOUR credentials. If you read Dr. Fife's

article or his books you might notice that he provides references to the studies

he used in his research - something you have yet to do.

Dee

> >

> > Yes, I understood the article, but what does that have to do with MCT oil

and

>

> > Alzheimer's? It obvious that our [probable] ability to create/replace

>neurons

>

>

> > hasn't stopped dementia's in their tracks at all so far... they are still

> here.

> >

> > C.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On 2011-09-01 12:02 PM, Dolores <dgk@...> wrote:

> And as far as your OWN reading and comprehension skills, I guess you

> missed the part in both articles that stated Dr. Newport achieved her

> original results with coconut oil alone and only added the MCT oil

> later; and while she did find the MCT oil to work even better, the

> effect didn't last as long until she combined the two.

Actually, he did address that part:

On 2011-08-30 11:08 PM, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

> In any event adding VCO means a longer time before the MCT oil can be

> used up creating the ketones. This sreems like an impairment to me.

>

> Remembering that lauric acid does not produce nearly the ketones that

> the shorter chains do, it seems it's not really helping, or hasn't

> been shown to be helping, in an MCT/VCO mix; it really seems to be a

> buffer in this regard, at best neutral, at worst an impairment.

>

> In fact you could most likely take MCT oil twice as often to maintain

> ketone level, and not need the dilution factor of the VCO at all.

Makes sense to me...

You'll get better results with pure MCT oil, but take it more often (3-4

times per day) to keep the levels up.

[Guest guest]

Elaine,

So far as I have followed, no one is saying wait for the studies where MCT/VCO

is concerned as far as adding it to your diet. We are all agree its brain

food. What has to wait for the studies is how much and how long it helps and if

it can do more than give the brain more energy to allow all those connections to

one's memories, short and long term to find new routes.

I understand the excitement over Dr. Newport's experiment on her husband, but

what we don't and can't know is how long MCT will help him. That could take

years and Dr. Newport may not report when things start going south. We can only

hope that she will be honest and let those that believe in her and follow her

know there may be a time limit.

It would be wonderful if MCT oil turns out to be the ticket to stopping

dementia's in their tracks. And I hope that is the case but I for one {opinion

follows} don't think it will.

I found this little article that says that Dementia's are increasing all over

the world, even in places where coconuts are grown and I assume widely

consumed. One would have to seriously investigate whether or not those being

stricken in these area consume VCO regularly, something I am in no position to

do, but it would be interesting.

I suspect human pollution is probably the culprit in most of today's epidemics.

http://www.dementia.org.ph/?fid=history

" Alzheimer's disease, a chronic and progressive neurodegenerative disorder,

affects millions of people all over the world. Aging remains to be the most

important risk factor for the development of the disease. The rapid increase in

the elderly population worldwide due to improving healthcare system is

predictably accompanied by a rise in cases of Alzheimer's disease. The effect

on the quality of life of the affected individual is devastating. The impact of

Alzheimer's disease inevitably concerns caregivers and the society and the

resulting caregiver burden and healthcare cost are overwhelming. The

Philippines is likewise challenged with the epidemic of dementia and thorough

preparation is necessary in order to confront this challenge competently. "

C.

________________________________

From: elaine1231 <elaine1231@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Fri, September 2, 2011 4:41:59 PM

Subject: Re: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut oil

hailed as cure for alzheimers

I cannot be bothered mentioning others reading comp issues in this tone ---- I

am not that rude, unless provoked.

Just state your opinion or your substantiated fact and move on-------------

leave the nasty, only intended to shut the other person up, or make them feel

small, comments for your personal life. They do not belong on this board.

If someone interprets your comments erroneously -- correct it in a nice manner.

Everyone makes mistakes - interpretation, grammatical, and otherwise.

Why does MCT oil or coconut oil HAVE to be a cure for anything??

They seem to be very helpful and likely harmless.

So I am going to wait around for the medical community to regard something

alternative as definitive. And by that time it will likely be too expensive,

too rare, too processed, or I will have to get it by prescription.

For every study that even purports a remedy/concoction/dietary recommendation

there are likely two that come along that say the opposite.

What happened to internal wisdom? Do you need someone else to tell you

something is beneficial? Do we need an expensive study that proves prayer

works?

Did anyone here really believe that there was really a cure for alzheimers from

that article -- or were you able to overlook the sensationalism of the title?

Cure was way too strong a word to be used.

Am I allowed to say that there will probably never be a cure for

alzheimers/dementia? Maybe these two oils, when used synergistically, might

slow the progression or prevent the disease when used with free radical

scavengers. I found the article hopeful.

The need for scientific study on the MCT oil/coconut oil seemed too negative.

Are these oils not brain food? Could they be capable of more than what is known

as of yet? Could they be less than what many hope for? Absolutely

Will I be using it for alzheimers, dementia, seizure disorder, cognitive

decline, traumatic brain injury, etc. -----------Absolutely.

I will be the first at the store buying a truckload of any potential treatment

(that may not have 100% scientific backing but that has credible sources

regarding its effect) for any disorder as long as that treatment is minimally

invasive, with little or no known side effects.

My biggest concern is that one would not even try using an MCT oil or coconut

oil in their management of a neuro disease after reading the discussion here

regarding the article.

elaine

> >

> > And you consider yourself to be an expert then, ? Are you a

neurologist?

>If so then please enlighten us as to YOUR credentials. If you read Dr. Fife's

>article or his books you might notice that he provides references to the

studies

>he used in his research - something you have yet to do.

> >

> > Dee

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dee,

 

For

the past 6 years I devoted my time to promote virgin coconut oil and its

by-products. Basically, as a business cum advocacy, to create greater awareness

about the awesome health and nutritional benefits of a product still unknown to

many in the populace. To convince more Filipinos to patronize virgin coconut oil

which has unlimited benefits and to neutralize whatever undeserved and

unjustified negative publicity there is – a spillover of the public relations

campaign against tropical oils spearheaded by the soya bean industry group

abroad.

To explain in layman’s terms the truth about coconut oil that has remained

hidden and unread in medical journals.

 

I

agree with you, that Filipinos are greatly influenced by western pronouncements

on food, nutrition and health. (I can relate to these since I worked 10 years

in a multinational pharmaceutical company prior to become an advocate on

natural health.) The case of coconut oil is an example of this, where it got

conflicting signals before. But going through all the favorable reports on

coconut oil in medical journals, I don’t even have to look at other Asian and

Polynesian communities around the Pacific to attest to the health benefits of

coconut oil. My grandmother who loves to eat foods with coconut milk and oil

died

at the age of 107. At 105, she was still able to recognize her children and

most grandchildren closed to her. But the urbanization, marketing trends and

invasion

of cure-all products in the market, tend to sideline this incredible oil

especially to the new generation of the country where it originated.  

 

Archie

From: Dolores <dgk@...>

Subject: Re: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut oil

hailed as cure for alzheimers

Coconut Oil

Date: Saturday, 3 September, 2011, 11:30 PM

 

>

snip>

>

> I found this little article that says that Dementia's are increasing all over

> the world, even in places where coconuts are grown and I assume widely

> consumed. One would have to seriously investigate whether or not those being

> stricken in these area consume VCO regularly, something I am in no position

to

> do, but it would be interesting.

>

Yes, the question as to whether VCO is consumed regularly, as it once was in

these areas, is a good one. As we know, these areas have become increasingly

urbanized:

A quote from the Philippine Inquirer:

" The Philippines today has one of the highest rates of urbanization in the East

Asian and Pacific region at roughly 53 percent " .

And like nearly all places on the planet have been invaded by all of the fast

food chains: http://tinyurl.com/3o8ojmf

A scroll to the bottom shows not only a Philippines Mcs but Burger King,

Taco Bell, Subway, 's KFC, and Jollibee.

In addition, is it too far fetched to suspect that the public has been

indoctrinated for the last 20 or so years with westernized views of health that

included the belief that saturated fats like coconut oil are bad for you? I

don't really know either but perhaps Tony can be of some help in that regard.

Dee

[Guest guest]

If no one in your family objects, start with MCT oil, a couple of tablespoons

every day... say 2. The first month will cost you less than 20 dollars. Its

worth a try. It has helped me with memory quite a bit. Although I can't say

for sure, it has also helped me in concentration with regards to reading. Doing

a lot more of that now. Used to be able to read 1000 pages a day. Now, maybe I

will pick a day and see how that goes.. at least get through one book.

Anyway, after a week or two, you might start cooking with VCO. Of course, much

of this depends on who is taking care of your grandpa and how willing they are

to try this.

The one definite thing is it won't hurt. There is nothing dangerous in eating

VCO or MCT or a mix of the two.

I get mine at iherb.com and as I have told everyone use this referral code

LEC615 and get 5 bucks off the first order, and if you spend 40 bucks they pay

for shipping. It is the NOW brand and it costs 19.11 there.

No I do not work for them, I just spend a lot of money with them and they will

give me a few cents off my order. This month I will be spending 120 or 130

bucks and most of it is food products.

Oh, and they always offer free samples and you get one free a month. I am

getting laundry soap this time.

Enough on the self promotion.. try the MCT oil on your grandpa and please let

us know if it works for him. Much will depend on how far along he is with the

disease process.

C

________________________________

From: jalexander_2003 <jalexander_2003@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Sat, September 3, 2011 1:36:47 PM

Subject: Re: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut oil

hailed as cure for alzheimers

Hi My name is and I have been reading these posts in hopes of finding

something for my grandpa's Alzheimer's. The doctors of course have stated that

even experimental treatments are a dead end currently and offered no hope. I

read Dr. Newport's articles and a couple of Mr. Fife's books. I have hopes for

the keytone stuff and will be trying it out. As for Mr. Fife, I think that he

is an advocate for coconut which is good but I will not call him a doctor.

Apparently, as per a friend of mine in naturopathic medicine, he cannot back up

his doctorate with documentation or a Universty. Sadly because of this anything

he says in his books I have to make sure of by researching elsewhere for proof.

It turns out that a lot of what he says is unfounded and has no real medical

research behind it. Dee keeps referring to him in conjunction with coconut oil

and that is making me nervous.

Can anyone post real research articles from real doctors / companies / medical

journals on alzheimers for me.

Thanks!!!!

> > >

> > > Yes, I understood the article, but what does that have to do with MCT oil

>and

>

> >

> > > Alzheimer's? It obvious that our [probable] ability to create/replace

> >neurons

> >

> >

> > > hasn't stopped dementia's in their tracks at all so far... they are still

> > here.

> > >

> > > C.

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

About 25 years ago, I remember seeing my mother drinking home-made coconut

oil.  Me, together with other siblings who were supposedly better educated

about health with western knowledge available in our schools (my parents did not

have access to complete basic formal education during their time), would tell

her to stop doing it because it was bad. She just requested that we do no mind

what she was doing because she felt more energetic with drinking the oil. Five

years ago, with scientific researches on good health effects of coconut oil

becoming accessible (Thanks to Dr. Bruce Fife who first organized the

information in his personal capacity) I was humbled to realize that afterall my

parents were better educated about use of coconut oil from tradition, than me

from western knowledge.

Until these times, in far-flung mountain communities here in the Philippines it

is not surprising to encounter people in these communities who would feel

embarassed serving their guests from urban areas foods prepared from fresh

vegetables and organic livestocks abundant in their communities, because they

were not able to go to the lowland town centers to buy what they think as better

foods: canned goods, hotdogs, bacon and other processed foods.that they could

have served.

In general, we almost lost the coconut as our food for good health.  It is

going to be a long way to go back to where our ancestors were on the traditional

coconut oil.

Tony

________________________________

From: Dolores <dgk@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 11:30 PM

Subject: Re: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut oil

hailed as cure for alzheimers

 

>

snip>

>

> I found this little article that says that Dementia's are increasing all over

> the world, even in places where coconuts are grown and I assume widely

> consumed. One would have to seriously investigate whether or not those being

> stricken in these area consume VCO regularly, something I am in no position

to

> do, but it would be interesting.

>

Yes, the question as to whether VCO is consumed regularly, as it once was in

these areas, is a good one. As we know, these areas have become increasingly

urbanized:

A quote from the Philippine Inquirer:

" The Philippines today has one of the highest rates of urbanization in the East

Asian and Pacific region at roughly 53 percent " .

And like nearly all places on the planet have been invaded by all of the fast

food chains: http://tinyurl.com/3o8ojmf

A scroll to the bottom shows not only a Philippines Mcs but Burger King,

Taco Bell, Subway, 's KFC, and Jollibee.

In addition, is it too far fetched to suspect that the public has been

indoctrinated for the last 20 or so years with westernized views of health that

included the belief that saturated fats like coconut oil are bad for you? I

don't really know either but perhaps Tony can be of some help in that regard.

Dee