Re: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut oil hailed as cure for alzheimers

[Guest guest]

Thanks for sharing Tony! It was a great time with Dr. Fife at Megamall the other

day. Great news for all of us in the coconut industry.

Archie

From: AGPacific Nutriceutical <agnutriceutical@...>

Subject: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut oil

hailed as cure for alzheimers

" Coconut forum " <Coconut Oil >

Date: Sunday, 28 August, 2011, 8:35 PM

 

Would like to share this news item from our little spot of the planet.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/48957/virgin-coconut-oil-hailed-as-cure-for-alzheim\

er%E2%80%99s

Tony

[Guest guest]

We have to wait for the study he was denied to find out if its just the MCT oil

by itself or if the whole coconut oil is necessary since the study was just

using the MCT oil and Dr. Newport used coconut oil.

I kind of doubt that its a cure in the sense that the brain returns to normal,

rather it gets more energy to the brain cells that are still working well. For

it to be a cure, it would have to allow for the brain cells to be replaced by

new ones or repair the damaged cells and I have not read or heard that the

energy provided by MCT oil does that.

C

________________________________

From: AGPacific Nutriceutical <agnutriceutical@...>

Coconut forum <Coconut Oil >

Sent: Sun, August 28, 2011 8:35:49 AM

Subject: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut oil

hailed as cure for alzheimers

Would like to share this news item from our little spot of the planet.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/48957/virgin-coconut-oil-hailed-as-cure-for-alzheim\

er%E2%80%99s

Tony

[Guest guest]

Although the title hails VCO, the background studies and Newport used MCT oil,

with Newport mixing in the VCO. The devil is in the details; here's the account:

" Intuitively, she started Newport on a feeding program. Instead of using

Axona at $100 per month with 1 dose a day, used VCO—at a cost of $10 a

month—giving him 2 tablespoons of a mixture of VCO and its pharmaceutical

isolate, MCT, with every meal " [/end quote]

MCT oil is already known and applied for ketone formation, and buffing pure MCT

oil with VCO dilutes the property. Lauric acid produces less ketone than the

rest of the MCT oils and shorter.

It would be unfortunate if Bruce Fife relied on the Newport's MCT account to

champion coconut oil's role in alzheimer's treatment in his new book. It may be

that reducing the MCT dosage by diluting it or taking less still gives an

adequate dose

I agree with that the improved ketone level and cellular metabolism

doesn't reverse the damage. In alzheimers and the other degenerative disorders

there's an enormous free radical load to attend to, and also especially in the

elderly, a slow metabolic rate and oxygenation etc. to attend to, even if all

the nutrients are available, to promote regeneration and whatever disease

recovery you can get.

all good,

Duncan

>

> We have to wait for the study he was denied to find out if its just the MCT

oil

> by itself or if the whole coconut oil is necessary since the study was just

> using the MCT oil and Dr. Newport used coconut oil.

>

>

> I kind of doubt that its a cure in the sense that the brain returns to normal,

> rather it gets more energy to the brain cells that are still working well.

For

> it to be a cure, it would have to allow for the brain cells to be replaced by

> new ones or repair the damaged cells and I have not read or heard that the

> energy provided by MCT oil does that.

>

> C

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: AGPacific Nutriceutical <agnutriceutical@...>

> Coconut forum <Coconut Oil >

> Sent: Sun, August 28, 2011 8:35:49 AM

> Subject: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut oil

> hailed as cure for alzheimers

>

>

> Would like to share this news item from our little spot of the planet.

>

>

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/48957/virgin-coconut-oil-hailed-as-cure-for-alzheim\

er%E2%80%99s

>

>

> Tony

>

>

[Guest guest]

This page on brainfuels.com lists some of the ways ketone bodies are have been

found to contribute, 1971 to present:

<http://brainfuels.com/category/energy-substrates/ketone-bodies/page/2/>

all good,

Duncan

[Guest guest]

Hi and all,

As usual, it's difficult to get the whole story from a news item so you might

want to check out the story by Newport herself. There is a pdf with the

story of how she started her husband on coconut oil (yes, the oil only):

http://www.coconutketones.com/WhatIfCure.pdf

- and a blog that started in 2008 to the present:

http://coconutketones.blogspot.com/

Here are three quotes for those who may not have the time to read everything

there:

" quote: " I also learned that MCT oil is derived from coconut oil...the " aha "

moment that changed our lives! I looked up everything I could about ketones,

medium chain triglycerides and the nutrient breakdown of coconut oil and learned

that it was 60% MCTs. I calculated from the patent application how much coconut

oil (35 grams or 7 teaspoons) would be needed to give Steve 20 grams of MCTs. It

was very early in the morning and I had to go to bed and unfortunately there was

no time to find coconut oil before his 9 am appointment, so he scored dismally

again on the MMSE and didn't qualify for that study. Thinking " What have we got

to lose? " we drove to a store in Tampa (Whole Foods) where I had seen coconut

oil on the shelf and the rest is history. "

" Why we are (now) using the MCT oil/Coconut oil mixture:

We are using MCT oil because Steve's ketone levels were higher with MCT oil than

coconut oil, but were also gone twice as fast (by three hours). We kept the

coconut oil because the levels last longer (at least 6-7 hours). I figure that

by mixing the two he will get the benefit of the higher levels from the MCT oil

and the longer lasting levels of the coconut oil. "

Also:

" There are two very interesting videos posted on www.youtube.com by people with

Alzheimer's who have had dramatic responses to coconut oil, as well as a video

from a man whose " brain fog " lifted with coconut oil. If you go to YouTube and

do a search for Alzheimer's and coconut oil they will pop up. " end quotes

She has LOT'S more info on her blog page, though, for those who have the time.

All the Best,

Dee

-- In Coconut Oil , Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

>

> We have to wait for the study he was denied to find out if its just the MCT

oil

> by itself or if the whole coconut oil is necessary since the study was just

> using the MCT oil and Dr. Newport used coconut oil.

>

>

> I kind of doubt that its a cure in the sense that the brain returns to normal,

> rather it gets more energy to the brain cells that are still working well.

For

> it to be a cure, it would have to allow for the brain cells to be replaced by

> new ones or repair the damaged cells and I have not read or heard that the

> energy provided by MCT oil does that.

>

> C

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: AGPacific Nutriceutical <agnutriceutical@...>

> Coconut forum <Coconut Oil >

> Sent: Sun, August 28, 2011 8:35:49 AM

> Subject: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut oil

> hailed as cure for alzheimers

>

>

> Would like to share this news item from our little spot of the planet.

>

>

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/48957/virgin-coconut-oil-hailed-as-cure-for-alzheim\

er%E2%80%99s

>

>

> Tony

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good point ; the MCT/VCO mix was not found to be the cure for alzheimer's

that the sensationalised title says it is. It may well be hailed as one in some

coconut-producing areas, but it's really a disease management tool that enables

some cells to burn a fuel other than glucose, in that way very similar to other

oils that have also been used in a ketogenic diet.

My wife and I use 2 tbsp MCT oil for energy and she also takes an extra tbsp for

weight loss. It tastes very good with a very faint nutty flavour (but not

coconutty) and it's easy to eat right off the spoon. The body loves it, unlike a

mouthful of most other oils.

Free radical damage forms a large component of the disorder, low glutathione is

the main marker for disease prognosis, and arresting the damage process by

increasing glutathione may be the cure. I favour undenatured whey because it

handily stops lipid peroxidation.

(Google: lipid peroxidation glutathione alzheimer's)

all good,

Duncan

>

> My problem with the article is the use of the word " cure " .

>

> MCT oil should be seriously considered for Dementias and Insurance should pay

> for it, but it cannot cure, it can only help maintain a level of brain

> competency for a longer period of time. The brain cells will most likely

> continue to deteriorate and I would bet that eventually, MCT oil will cease to

> work at all. Long term studies are needed, but there is no reason why all

> patients can't use MCT oil, except the fact that they still need a control

group

> to compare to.

[Guest guest]

,

While it may not be a " cure " in the case of very advanced alzheimers it has

certainly reduced Newport's husband's very severe case - and he has remained at

that good functioning level since 2008. So are you saying that unless it is a

complete cure it is not worth taking? You can't seriously believe that! You have

yourself said that you take a combination of VCO and MCT oils and that your

memory has improved.

Here is a u-tube video of a man who started coconut oil as soon as he began

having symptoms (memory loss, names, etc.) and his symptoms went away

completely:

Well worth a watch.

Dee

> >

> > We have to wait for the study he was denied to find out if its just the MCT

oil

> >

> > by itself or if the whole coconut oil is necessary since the study was just

> > using the MCT oil and Dr. Newport used coconut oil.

> >

> >

> > I kind of doubt that its a cure in the sense that the brain returns to

normal,

>

> > rather it gets more energy to the brain cells that are still working well.

For

> >

> > it to be a cure, it would have to allow for the brain cells to be replaced

by

> > new ones or repair the damaged cells and I have not read or heard that the

> > energy provided by MCT oil does that.

> >

> > C

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: AGPacific Nutriceutical <agnutriceutical@>

> > Coconut forum <Coconut Oil >

> > Sent: Sun, August 28, 2011 8:35:49 AM

> > Subject: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut oil

> > hailed as cure for alzheimers

> >

> >

> > Would like to share this news item from our little spot of the planet.

> >

>

>http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/48957/virgin-coconut-oil-hailed-as-cure-for-alzhei\

mer%E2%80%99s

> >s

> >

> >

> > Tony

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes, I did re-read it Laua and I apologize for that part of my reply. I

remembered that on the way to the grocery store and just got back.

I guess my problem with your response was the fact it inspired our resident

genius - who I not longer reply to - who once again poo-poo'd the use of coconut

oil for alzheimers and, once again, promoted the use of MCT oil alone (when I

clearly pointed out the reason that Newhart now uses BOTH, though she

acheived remarkable results with VCO alone). Then he goes on to suggest

undenatured whey may be the cure! Yeah, we can put that in the same category as

his butter cure :-)

All the Best,

Dee

> > >

> > > We have to wait for the study he was denied to find out if its just the

MCT

> >oil

> >

> > >

> > > by itself or if the whole coconut oil is necessary since the study was

just

> > > using the MCT oil and Dr. Newport used coconut oil.

> > >

> > >

> > > I kind of doubt that its a cure in the sense that the brain returns to

> >normal,

> >

> >

> > > rather it gets more energy to the brain cells that are still working well.

> >For

> >

> > >

> > > it to be a cure, it would have to allow for the brain cells to be replaced

by

> >

> > > new ones or repair the damaged cells and I have not read or heard that the

> > > energy provided by MCT oil does that.

> > >

> > > C

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > From: AGPacific Nutriceutical <agnutriceutical@>

> > > Coconut forum <Coconut Oil >

> > > Sent: Sun, August 28, 2011 8:35:49 AM

> > > Subject: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut

oil

> > > hailed as cure for alzheimers

> > >

> > >

> > > Would like to share this news item from our little spot of the planet.

> > >

>

>>http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/48957/virgin-coconut-oil-hailed-as-cure-for-alzhe\

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> >s

> > >s

> > >

> > >

> > > Tony

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I did not follow the whole thread. So can someone clarify what is the best

source of the MCT (medium chain triglyceride)? Should it be from coconut, or

palm, or whatever natural source? I believe the source of the MCT should make a

difference in its use/efficacy.

Joe

> > > >

> > > > We have to wait for the study he was denied to find out if its just the

MCT

> >

> > >oil

> > >

> > > >

> > > > by itself or if the whole coconut oil is necessary since the study was

just

> >

> > > > using the MCT oil and Dr. Newport used coconut oil.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I kind of doubt that its a cure in the sense that the brain returns to

> > >normal,

> > >

> > >

> > > > rather it gets more energy to the brain cells that are still working

well.

>

> > >For

> > >

> > > >

> > > > it to be a cure, it would have to allow for the brain cells to be

replaced

> >by

> >

> > >

> > > > new ones or repair the damaged cells and I have not read or heard that

the

>

> > > > energy provided by MCT oil does that.

> > > >

> > > > C

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > From: AGPacific Nutriceutical <agnutriceutical@>

> > > > Coconut forum <Coconut Oil >

> > > > Sent: Sun, August 28, 2011 8:35:49 AM

> > > > Subject: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut

oil

> >

> > > > hailed as cure for alzheimers

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Would like to share this news item from our little spot of the planet.

> > > >

>

>>>http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/48957/virgin-coconut-oil-hailed-as-cure-for-alzh\

eimer%E2%80%99s

> >s

> > >s

> > > >s

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Tony

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

MCT oil is not a cure for alzheimers even diluted by VCO; the MCT oil only

represents an alternative way to supply energy to some of the marginalised brain

cell and the disease pathogenesis remains unaffected because there's nothing at

all in the approach to address these issues.

The huge oxidative stress burden and its continuing damage, the senile plaques,

the neurofibrillary tangles, and the pathological accumulation of lipofuscin,

all of which are disease promoters, would be of interest but remain entirely

unaddressed by the approach.

all good,

Duncan

[Guest guest]

We're using Now Foods MCT oil from Bodybuilding.com. It tastes very good,

basically almost neutral, with a hint of nutty or branny flavour

all good,

Duncan

> > My wife and I use 2 tbsp MCT oil for energy and she also takes an extra

> > tbsp for weight loss.

>

> I'm curious as to which brand you use Duncan?

>

> Thanks

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Archie,

I also agree that the reporter should have used the term " treatment " rather than

" cure " ; however, isn't that just par for the course in journalistic headlines

these days? I see no reason, however, to let that divert us from the fact that

(when used in proper amounts throughout the day) it has exhibited the ability to

stop it in it's tracks, and is therefore the closest thing to a cure that anyone

has found so far. Not only that, but as we are all here aware, prevention is

always preferable to medicine, and Bruce Fife presents an excellent case on both

counts here:

http://tinyurl.com/3bdhfg8

And for someone to say, as our " resident authority " recently did that " . . .the

MCT oil only

represents an alternative way to supply energy to some of the marginalised brain

cell and the disease pathogenesis remains unaffected because there's nothing at

all in the approach to address these issues. " seems patently ridiculous in light

of the remarkable, and rapid recovery made in some of the most advanced cases.

In addition, the previous notion that brain cells cannot be regenerated has been

replaced by newer discoveries;

http://tinyurl.com/3k9r8yv

PRINCETON, N.J. -- In a finding that eventually could lead to new methods for

treating brain diseases and injuries, Princeton scientists have shown that new

neurons are continually added to the cerebral cortex of adult monkeys. The

discovery reverses a dogma nearly a century old and suggests entirely new ways

of explaining how the mind accomplishes its basic functions, from problem

solving to learning and memory.

Gould and Gross report in the Oct. 15 issue of Science that

the formation of new neurons or nerve cells -- neurogenesis -- takes place in

several regions of the cerebral cortex that are crucial for cognitive and

perceptual functions. The cerebral cortex is the most complex region of the

brain and is responsible for highest-level decision making and for recognizing

and learning about the world. The results strongly imply that the same process

occurs in humans, because monkeys and humans have fundamentally similar brain

structures.

" This is an absolutely novel result, " says T. Greenough, director of the

neuroscience program at the University of Illinois' Beckman Institute. " These

data scream for a reanalysis of human brain development. "

Best,

Dee

>

> > >

>

> > > We have to wait for the study he was denied to find out if its just the

MCT

>

> >oil

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> > > by itself or if the whole coconut oil is necessary since the study was

just

>

> > > using the MCT oil and Dr. Newport used coconut oil.

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > I kind of doubt that its a cure in the sense that the brain returns to

>

> >normal,

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > > rather it gets more energy to the brain cells that are still working well.

>

> >For

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> > > it to be a cure, it would have to allow for the brain cells to be replaced

by

>

> >

>

> > > new ones or repair the damaged cells and I have not read or heard that the

>

> > > energy provided by MCT oil does that.

>

> > >

>

> > > C

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > ________________________________

>

> > > From: AGPacific Nutriceutical <agnutriceutical@>

>

> > > Coconut forum <Coconut Oil >

>

> > > Sent: Sun, August 28, 2011 8:35:49 AM

>

> > > Subject: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut

oil

>

> > > hailed as cure for alzheimers

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Would like to share this news item from our little spot of the planet.

>

> > >

>

>

>>http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/48957/virgin-coconut-oil-hailed-as-cure-for-alzhe\

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>

> >s

>

> > >s

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Tony

>

> > >

>

> > >

[Guest guest]

, can you explain how a study using MCT only would show how a mixture of

VCO and MCT is more effective than MCT alone? Wouldn't that study have to be

divided between people who took VCO only and those who mixed the two? An MCT

only study would only contain folks who took MCT and those taking a placebo,

would it not?

And how can you say that " no one does " (know which is more effective) when

Newport reported that:

" We are using MCT oil because Steve's ketone levels were higher with MCT oil

than coconut oil, but were also gone twice as fast (by three hours). We kept the

coconut oil because the levels last longer (at least 6-7 hours). "

Seems like a good enough reason to me, but if you remain skeptical you can

always do your own experimenting rather than waiting for a study.

Best,

Dee

> > > >

> > > > We have to wait for the study he was denied to find out if its just the

MCT

> >

> > >oil

> > >

> > > >

> > > > by itself or if the whole coconut oil is necessary since the study was

just

> >

> > > > using the MCT oil and Dr. Newport used coconut oil.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I kind of doubt that its a cure in the sense that the brain returns to

> > >normal,

> > >

> > >

> > > > rather it gets more energy to the brain cells that are still working

well.

>

> > >For

> > >

> > > >

> > > > it to be a cure, it would have to allow for the brain cells to be

replaced

> >by

> >

> > >

> > > > new ones or repair the damaged cells and I have not read or heard that

the

>

> > > > energy provided by MCT oil does that.

> > > >

> > > > C

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > From: AGPacific Nutriceutical <agnutriceutical@>

> > > > Coconut forum <Coconut Oil >

> > > > Sent: Sun, August 28, 2011 8:35:49 AM

> > > > Subject: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut

oil

> >

> > > > hailed as cure for alzheimers

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Would like to share this news item from our little spot of the planet.

> > > >

>

>>>http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/48957/virgin-coconut-oil-hailed-as-cure-for-alzh\

eimer%E2%80%99s

> >s

> > >s

> > > >s

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Tony

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

, your reply provides no explanation as to why you are waiting for the

study of MCT only. Why not just mix the two and experiment on your own? And

since your sister was convinced by your own experience with Vitamin D, why then

are you so reluctant to be equally convinced by Dr. Newport's experience with

her husband and VCO/MCT? I fail to see how you can call that " biased " unless she

is profiting from the sale of VCO, which there is no indication that she is. And

even though she has written a book, her information is freely available on the

internet - provided regularly by Dr. Newport herself.

Dee

>

> A study could be done with MCT only group and a VCO/MCT group and a Placebo

> group. But I can't imagine that anyone will put up the money for such a study

> because none of the above can be patented so it would have to be the Coconut

Oil

> Industry.. and why would they care, since they would sell CO regardless of how

> it was packaged for sale.

>

> But the study done is MCT or Placebo only so that is all we will have the info

> on. And I realize that even though she is a doctor, Newport is not unbiased

and

> a study of one is not a study so no scientist is going to take her Anecdotal

> evidence. Perhaps not fair, but that is the way it is. .

>

> Even so, if someone I loved had Alzheimer's, I would be sure to encourage them

> to take MCT oil straight and at least cook with VCO but you would be amazed

> about how tough a sell that would be with some people that won't do or take

> anything a doctor doesn't tell them to.

>

> For example, I tried for 2 years to get my sister to take Vitamin D for her

back

> spasms and pain [osteomalacia], she even went so far to get a motorized chair

> cause she couldn't walk very far, and until a Rheumotogist finally tested [the

> right test] her and found her deficient did she start taking D and low and

> behold her back pain and spasms went away. The thing is, she saw me go

through

> the same thing and saw how much improved I had gotten, still, till the Doc

said

> take this, she wouldn't do it.

>

> The chair mostly sits in the garage gathering dust... I am sure she will need

it

> someday for real, but not for some time.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think we have to be careful about making definitive statements regarding

Alzheimer's and the brain. This is an area in which little is known and much is

yet to be discovered.

Dee

>

> The problem with Alzheimer's is that plaque is being formed, destroying the

> neuron. The plaque'd neurons do not disappear, so new neurons have no place

to

> go... However, MCT oil gives the good neurons left more energy and since new

> pathways can be made/found memory improves up to a point and should slow down

> the progression of the disease.

>

>

> Still, eventually, MCT oil won't help because there won't be enough healthy

> neurons to carry on...

>

> Lalura C.

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > A study could be done with MCT only group and a VCO/MCT group and a Placebo

> > group. But I can't imagine that anyone will put up the money for such a

study

>

> > because none of the above can be patented so it would have to be the Coconut

> >Oil

> >

> > Industry.. and why would they care, since they would sell CO regardless of

how

>

> > it was packaged for sale.

>

> >

> > But the study done is MCT or Placebo only so that is all we will have the

info

>

> > on. And I realize that even though she is a doctor, Newport is not unbiased

> >and

> >

> > a study of one is not a study so no scientist is going to take her Anecdotal

> > evidence. Perhaps not fair, but that is the way it is. .

> >

> > Even so, if someone I loved had Alzheimer's, I would be sure to encourage

them

>

> > to take MCT oil straight and at least cook with VCO but you would be amazed

> > about how tough a sell that would be with some people that won't do or take

> > anything a doctor doesn't tell them to.

> >

> > For example, I tried for 2 years to get my sister to take Vitamin D for her

> >back

> >

> > spasms and pain [osteomalacia], she even went so far to get a motorized

chair

> > cause she couldn't walk very far, and until a Rheumotogist finally tested

[the

>

> > right test] her and found her deficient did she start taking D and low and

> > behold her back pain and spasms went away. The thing is, she saw me go

through

> >

> > the same thing and saw how much improved I had gotten, still, till the Doc

said

> >

> > take this, she wouldn't do it.

> >

> > The chair mostly sits in the garage gathering dust... I am sure she will

need

> >it

> >

> > someday for real, but not for some time.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

What I mean, , is that unless you are a scientist currently involved in

alzheimer (or brain) research you are simply mimicking information the public is

fed prior to information that may or may not yet be available; therefore, to say

something like " -- eventually, MCT oil won't help because there won't be enough

healthy neurons to carry on. " --as you have claimed with such assurance, is

something only time will tell. Did you read my previous link to the

Gould and Gross report? :

http://tinyurl.com/3k9r8yv

While it may not address alzheimers specifically, it surely addresses an

evolving understanding of the brain and it's abilities previously considered

impossible.

Dee

In Coconut Oil , Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

>

> I am not sure what you mean by this?

>

> C.

>

> ________________________________

> From: Dolores <dgk@...>

> Coconut Oil

> Sent: Tue, August 30, 2011 3:12:45 PM

> Subject: Re: Philippine News Item - Virgin coconut

oil

> hailed as cure for alzheimers

>

>

> I think we have to be careful about making definitive statements regarding

> Alzheimer's and the brain. This is an area in which little is known and much

is

> yet to be discovered.

>

>

> Dee

>

>

> >

> > The problem with Alzheimer's is that plaque is being formed, destroying the

> > neuron. The plaque'd neurons do not disappear, so new neurons have no place

to

> >

> > go... However, MCT oil gives the good neurons left more energy and since

new

> > pathways can be made/found memory improves up to a point and should slow

down

> > the progression of the disease.

> >

> >

> > Still, eventually, MCT oil won't help because there won't be enough healthy

> > neurons to carry on..MCT oil won't help because there won't be enough

healthy

> > neurons to carry on..

> >

> > Lalura C.

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[Guest guest]

We do not know that coconut oil or MCT oil does not aid in neurogenesis.

I am not going to fault anyone for believing so since consumption of these oils

seems harmless.

> > >

> > > The problem with Alzheimer's is that plaque is being formed, destroying

the

> > > neuron. The plaque'd neurons do not disappear, so new neurons have no

place

> >to

> >

> > >

> > > go... However, MCT oil gives the good neurons left more energy and since

new

> >

> > > pathways can be made/found memory improves up to a point and should slow

down

> >

> > > the progression of the disease.

> > >

> > >

> > > Still, eventually, MCT oil won't help because there won't be enough

healthy

> > > neurons to carry on..MCT oil won't help because there won't be enough

healthy

> >

> > > neurons to carry on..

> > >

> > > Lalura C.

> > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

,

Are you aware of the fact that scans of Dr. Newport's husband confirm that the

atrophy in his brain has come to a complete halt? And if, as the article I

referenced suggests, neurogenesis is now considered possible, isn't it also

possible (or even probable) that could be what's going on in those taking

MCT/VCO whose condition is not yet as severe, and whose symptoms have

disappeared completely?

Here is a simpler explanation of the evolving understanding of neurogenesis:

http://www.wellesley.edu/Biology/Concepts/Html/neurogenesiswhat.html

So do you have any information that allows you to know for certain that MCT/VCO

contribute nothing to neurogenesis? That is certainly not the opinion of Dr.

Fife:

http://tinyurl.com/3bdhfg8

Dee

In Coconut Oil , Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

>

> Yes, I understood the article, but what does that have to do with MCT oil and

> Alzheimer's? It obvious that our [probable] ability to create/replace neurons

> hasn't stopped dementia's in their tracks at all so far... they are still

here.

>

> C.

>

>

[Guest guest]

It seems by reading the the report that the elevation of ketones by oral MCT oil

is dose-related, and VCO most likely impairs or impedes the process, perhaps by

competing for a pathway or something else.

In any event adding VCO means a longer time before the MCT oil can be used up

creating the ketones. This sreems like an impairment to me.

Remembering that lauric acid does not produce nearly the ketones that the

shorter chains do, it seems it's not really helping, or hasn't been shown to be

helping, in an MCT/VCO mix; it really seems to be a buffer in this regard, at

best neutral, at worst an impairment.

In fact you could most likely take MCT oil twice as often to maintain ketone

level, and not need the dilution factor of the VCO at all.

all good,

Duncan

>

> , can you explain

> " We are using MCT oil because Steve's ketone levels were higher with MCT oil

> than coconut oil, but were also gone twice as fast (by three hours). We kept

the

> coconut oil because the levels last longer (at least 6-7 hours). "

>

[Guest guest]

I think it's safe to reiterate what pointed out, that the damage is not

actually reversed but the cells are better fed by MCT oil. Thus, not a cure.

Also, the oxidative stress that propels the disease is not stopped by MCT oil.

all good,

Duncan

> >

> > The problem with Alzheimer's is that plaque is being formed, destroying the

> > neuron. The plaque'd neurons do not disappear, so new neurons have no place

to

> > go... However, MCT oil gives the good neurons left more energy and since

new

> > pathways can be made/found memory improves up to a point and should slow

down

> > the progression of the disease.

> >

> >

> > Still, eventually, MCT oil won't help because there won't be enough healthy

> > neurons to carry on...

> >

> > Lalura C.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________>

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> I think it's safe to reiterate what pointed out, that the damage is not

actually reversed but the cells are better fed by MCT oil. Thus, not a cure.

>

> Also, the oxidative stress that propels the disease is not stopped by MCT oil.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

To clarify, Duncan, I never said CURE, because it is too soon to make that

determination; but I do think it's safe to point out that neither you nor

have provided one iota of evidence to substantiate your statements that " the

damage is not reversed " or that " the oxidative stress that propels the disease

is not stopped " . Bruce Fife, who has researched the issue in depth, says just

the opposite.:

http://tinyurl.com/3bdhfg8

But then I'm sure you won't let facts or evidence stop you. They never do.

Now PLEASE - stop the flirting and go back to your lovely wife. This whole

affair is OVER.

Dee

[Guest guest]

And you consider yourself to be an expert then, ? Are you a neurologist? If

so then please enlighten us as to YOUR credentials. If you read Dr. Fife's

article or his books you might notice that he provides references to the studies

he used in his research - something you have yet to do.

Dee

> >

> > Yes, I understood the article, but what does that have to do with MCT oil

and

> > Alzheimer's? It obvious that our [probable] ability to create/replace

neurons

>

> > hasn't stopped dementia's in their tracks at all so far... they are still

> here.

> >

> > C.

> >

> >

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Dee, nagging is your strong suit and reading and comprehension your weakest.

Nobody has mentioned as they have you with regard to reading and

comprehension issues.

Many of us understand that along with some wonderful content Dr. Fife also

incorporated information that was unresearched, poorly researched,

sensationalised, and obviously biased. Some of those qualities don't belong in

an authoritative work but may belong in an opinion piece.

I read many references myself so forgive me if I don't jump on board and hail

virgin coconut oil as a cure for anything.

What was used in this thread of alzheimer's treatment was MCT oil as a known

active ingredient, then a blend of the active ingredient with VCO. No reason to

nag or me, then throw a red herring about credentials, for not believing

everything you thought you read. We can all form our own opinions.

all good,

Duncan

>

> And you consider yourself to be an expert then, ? Are you a neurologist?

If so then please enlighten us as to YOUR credentials. If you read Dr. Fife's

article or his books you might notice that he provides references to the studies

he used in his research - something you have yet to do.

>

> Dee

>

[Guest guest]

Well forgive me for continuing to nag Duncan dearest, but if you are going to

post definitive comments such as " eventually, MCT oil won't help because there

won't be enough healthy neurons to carry on... " , or " the oxidative stress that

propels the disease is not stopped by MCT oil. " - then shouldn't you be prepared

to back up those statements with some hard evidence, even if only personal

experience? I'm quite willing to accept someone's experience as at least " a "

truth, but not someone's unsubstantiated opinion.

As for your contention that Dr. Fife incorporated information that was

un-researched or poorly researched, you give no specifics whatsoever. So, once

again, more spitting into the wind in order to further inflate your own ego.

And as far as your OWN reading and comprehension skills, I guess you missed the

part in both articles that stated Dr. Newport achieved her original results with

coconut oil alone and only added the MCT oil later; and while she did find the

MCT oil to work even better, the effect didn't last as long until she combined

the two.

Another point you both either didn't read, or ignored, was the fact that scans

of Dr. Newport's husband confirm that the atrophy in his brain has come to a

complete halt - and remain steady over the last 3 years. Of course I guess you

would want to ignore that because it challenges your theory that " the oxidative

stress that propels the disease is not stopped by MCT oil " - for which you have

no proof (at least so far).

As I stated previously, only time will tell - but the use of these two oils

together does seem promising - as does the new information regarding

neurogenesis.

Dee