Re: Good undenatured whey source

[Guest guest]

On 2011-03-05 2:26 PM, Duncan Crow wrote:

> Got a price from Nutritek on 33 lb bags of high-quality undenatured whey

> isolate: $349 CAD plus about $25 shipping from Montreal.

>

> http://www.nutriteck.com/sportswpi100.html

>

> Considerable savings and an excellent profile.

Hey Duncan,

I'm noticing that different products have different recommended amounts

per serving...

What is the optimal amount per serving, on average? Most of the others

have scoops twice as big as the 10g one that site shows, and they

recommend 1-2 of them per serving... so I'm confused about how much I

should be taking and how many times per day.

Anyway, I prefer the LifeSource brand, its (claimed to be) from grass

fed cows that are disease-free, pesticide-free, chemical-free, hormone

treatment-free and GMO-free, and is only $3 more per pound even when

buying just one 2.2lb tub... they also offer a 20% discount for 6 or

more tubs, which brings the price down to about the same as the above...

http://www.lifesource4life.com/protein.html

[Guest guest]

Looking at the website, they recommend

" WPI-95 should be taken 1/2 to 1 hour before meals at a rate of 10

grams / 3 to 5 times per day. "

I use NOW whey protein isolate. I take 30 grams with my main meal,

and another 30 grams along with my post-meal vitamins.

I wonder about the statement

" * Important Note: Should always be taken before meals only for

maximum effectiveness * "

on the Nutritek site. Is it really that important? If so, I need to

shift procedures. I have been using Duncan's revision of the Budwig

protocol (whey with fish body oil) and taking it with my main meal. I

wonder about how much effectiveness I am losing my not taking whey

away from food or vitamins.

Nutritek is a good looking whey but price per pound is quite a bit

higher than NOW brand Whey protein isolate from Vitaglo ($76.95 US for

10 pound bag, free shipping). I wonder if Nutritek is sufficiently

superior to NOW to warrant the increase in price?

Alobar

On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...> wrote:

> On 2011-03-05 2:26 PM, Duncan Crow wrote:

>> Got a price from Nutritek on 33 lb bags of high-quality undenatured whey

>> isolate: $349 CAD plus about $25 shipping from Montreal.

>>

>> http://www.nutriteck.com/sportswpi100.html

>>

>> Considerable savings and an excellent profile.

>

> Hey Duncan,

>

> I'm noticing that different products have different recommended amounts

> per serving...

>

> What is the optimal amount per serving, on average? Most of the others

> have scoops twice as big as the 10g one that site shows, and they

> recommend 1-2 of them per serving... so I'm confused about how much I

> should be taking and how many times per day.

>

> Anyway, I prefer the LifeSource brand, its (claimed to be) from grass

> fed cows that are disease-free, pesticide-free, chemical-free, hormone

> treatment-free and GMO-free, and is only $3 more per pound even when

> buying just one 2.2lb tub... they also offer a 20% discount for 6 or

> more tubs, which brings the price down to about the same as the above...

>

> http://www.lifesource4life.com/protein.html

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's a pretty good undenatured whey so about 30 grams per serving may be

equivalent to 35 grams of a lesser whey isolate or an isolate/concentrate blend.

You'd have to work it out molecularly to know exactly. Again, people do better

on two servings generally than one and many take more.

Thanks for the link http://www.lifesource4life.com/protein.html. It seems to be

a good product. This company says women should take 25 grams per serving. Men 50

grams.

all good,

Duncan

> > Got a price from Nutritek on 33 lb bags of high-quality undenatured whey

> > isolate: $349 CAD plus about $25 shipping from Montreal.

> >

> > http://www.nutriteck.com/sportswpi100.html

> >

> > Considerable savings and an excellent profile.

>

> Hey Duncan,

>

> I'm noticing that different products have different recommended amounts

> per serving...

>

> What is the optimal amount per serving, on average? Most of the others

> have scoops twice as big as the 10g one that site shows, and they

> recommend 1-2 of them per serving... so I'm confused about how much I

> should be taking and how many times per day.

>

> Anyway, I prefer the LifeSource brand, its (claimed to be) from grass

> fed cows that are disease-free, pesticide-free, chemical-free, hormone

> treatment-free and GMO-free, and is only $3 more per pound even when

> buying just one 2.2lb tub... they also offer a 20% discount for 6 or

> more tubs, which brings the price down to about the same as the above...

>

> http://www.lifesource4life.com/protein.html

>

[Guest guest]

I don't believe it's important to take only 10 grams at a time. The bodybuilders

would have got wind of it and I haven't seen them or any other company advise

that. Even the story, " you can only assimilate 40 grams of protein per sitting "

doesn't apply to whey.

all good,

Duncan

> >> Got a price from Nutritek on 33 lb bags of high-quality undenatured whey

> >> isolate: $349 CAD plus about $25 shipping from Montreal.

> >>

> >> http://www.nutriteck.com/sportswpi100.html

> >>

> >> Considerable savings and an excellent profile.

> >

> > Hey Duncan,

> >

> > I'm noticing that different products have different recommended amounts

> > per serving...

> >

> > What is the optimal amount per serving, on average? Most of the others

> > have scoops twice as big as the 10g one that site shows, and they

> > recommend 1-2 of them per serving... so I'm confused about how much I

> > should be taking and how many times per day.

> >

> > Anyway, I prefer the LifeSource brand, its (claimed to be) from grass

> > fed cows that are disease-free, pesticide-free, chemical-free, hormone

> > treatment-free and GMO-free, and is only $3 more per pound even when

> > buying just one 2.2lb tub... they also offer a 20% discount for 6 or

> > more tubs, which brings the price down to about the same as the above...

> >

> > http://www.lifesource4life.com/protein.html

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Neither of these companies actually state what percentage of their product

is undenatured. Check out trueprotein.com, they actually state the % of

denaturing. Their cold processed whey is 0-3% denatured, leaving you with a

better profile, and probably a 30g serving for most would be enough. Search

the Weston Price price to see the effects of heating on glutathione

precursors, I'm sure everyone is familiar. They sell in bulk for about $2 a

pound more than NOW and have a ton of stevia based sweeteners if that's what

you like. Their product is made in the USA and melamine free.

On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

>

>

> I don't believe it's important to take only 10 grams at a time. The

> bodybuilders would have got wind of it and I haven't seen them or any other

> company advise that. Even the story, " you can only assimilate 40 grams of

> protein per sitting " doesn't apply to whey.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

>

>

> > >> Got a price from Nutritek on 33 lb bags of high-quality undenatured

> whey

> > >> isolate: $349 CAD plus about $25 shipping from Montreal.

> > >>

> > >> http://www.nutriteck.com/sportswpi100.html

> > >>

> > >> Considerable savings and an excellent profile.

> > >

> > > Hey Duncan,

> > >

> > > I'm noticing that different products have different recommended amounts

> > > per serving...

> > >

> > > What is the optimal amount per serving, on average? Most of the others

> > > have scoops twice as big as the 10g one that site shows, and they

> > > recommend 1-2 of them per serving... so I'm confused about how much I

> > > should be taking and how many times per day.

> > >

> > > Anyway, I prefer the LifeSource brand, its (claimed to be) from grass

> > > fed cows that are disease-free, pesticide-free, chemical-free, hormone

> > > treatment-free and GMO-free, and is only $3 more per pound even when

> > > buying just one 2.2lb tub... they also offer a 20% discount for 6 or

> > > more tubs, which brings the price down to about the same as the

> above...

> > >

> > > http://www.lifesource4life.com/protein.html

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On 2011-03-06 10:10 AM, yg wrote:

> Neither of these companies actually state what percentage of their product

> is undenatured. Check out trueprotein.com, they actually state the % of

> denaturing. Their cold processed whey is 0-3% denatured, leaving you with a

> better profile, and probably a 30g serving for most would be enough. Search

> the Weston Price price to see the effects of heating on glutathione

> precursors, I'm sure everyone is familiar. They sell in bulk for about $2 a

> pound more than NOW and have a ton of stevia based sweeteners if that's what

> you like. Their product is made in the USA and melamine free.

Denaturing is caused by heat.

http://www.lifesource4life.com/protein.html

LifeSource Whey is made from non pasteurized milk, and utilizes a purely

COLD process... from their website:

1. Our whey protein comes from grass fed cows that are disease-free,

pesticide-free, chemical-free, hormone treatment-free and GMO-free.

2. The milk used to make our whey has not been pasteurized or processed

at high temperatures that destroy all the freshness & goodness in the milk.

3. The processing of these whey proteins are done at cold temperatures

and in a way that doesn't damage the fragile protein fragments or cultures.

4. The whey protein is not a by-product of a cheese making process that

damages the proteins.

So, looks like 0% denaturation for LifeSource whey as well, and that,

combined with the fact that they plainly state that the milk comes from

grass fed cows that are disease-free, pesticide-free, chemical-free,

hormone treatment-free and GMO-free makes it the best, bar none...

[Guest guest]

YG, the lactoferrin, beta-lactoglobulin, serum albumin and alpha lactalbumin on

the label are the undenatured proteins. When they are denatured they are broken

into something else and not on the label.

Directly comparing the weight of the proteins and how many bonded cysteines

occur in each is how to figure the potency of the supplement with regard to

glutathione promotion. The number of cysteine residues per protein is given in

the method at the bottom of the whey page:

http://tinyurl.com/whey-page

I checked out the trueprotein.com Whey Protein Isolate Microfiltrated to compare

with Now's, and it doesn't give the protein analysis.

Deducing what bonded cysteines might be there based on an overall percentage of

undenaturation does not supply the detail you need, as some proteins give only

four cysteines per molecule and some give 17 plus. Thus a 100% undenatured

protein might give four or 17 residues, or something in between, and you have to

know which proteins are present to get the proper figure.

all good,

Duncan

> > > >> Got a price from Nutritek on 33 lb bags of high-quality undenatured

> > whey

> > > >> isolate: $349 CAD plus about $25 shipping from Montreal.

> > > >>

> > > >> http://www.nutriteck.com/sportswpi100.html

> > > >>

> > > >> Considerable savings and an excellent profile.

> > > >

> > > > Hey Duncan,

> > > >

> > > > I'm noticing that different products have different recommended amounts

> > > > per serving...

> > > >

> > > > What is the optimal amount per serving, on average? Most of the others

> > > > have scoops twice as big as the 10g one that site shows, and they

> > > > recommend 1-2 of them per serving... so I'm confused about how much I

> > > > should be taking and how many times per day.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, I prefer the LifeSource brand, its (claimed to be) from grass

> > > > fed cows that are disease-free, pesticide-free, chemical-free, hormone

> > > > treatment-free and GMO-free, and is only $3 more per pound even when

> > > > buying just one 2.2lb tub... they also offer a 20% discount for 6 or

> > > > more tubs, which brings the price down to about the same as the

> > above...

> > > >

> > > > http://www.lifesource4life.com/protein.html

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I say to this ongoing topic of undenatured whey, make some kefir and start

drinking that daily. This is totally unprocessed, undenatured whey protein. I

have just started, about 15 days ago and I see that this is the way to get pure

whey. The taste is amazing, the health benefits were seen from the first sample

I drank and it is a whole lot cheaper.

I grew up with the nursery rhyme about little miss muffit, who sat on her

tuffet, eating her curds and whey. But I never knew what curds and whey were.

Now I do, and it is fun!

________________________________

From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Sun, March 6, 2011 1:20:27 PM

Subject: Re: Good undenatured whey source

YG, the lactoferrin, beta-lactoglobulin, serum albumin and alpha lactalbumin on

the label are the undenatured proteins. When they are denatured they are broken

into something else and not on the label.

Directly comparing the weight of the proteins and how many bonded cysteines

occur in each is how to figure the potency of the supplement with regard to

glutathione promotion. The number of cysteine residues per protein is given in

the method at the bottom of the whey page:

http://tinyurl.com/whey-page

I checked out the trueprotein.com Whey Protein Isolate Microfiltrated to compare

with Now's, and it doesn't give the protein analysis.

Deducing what bonded cysteines might be there based on an overall percentage of

undenaturation does not supply the detail you need, as some proteins give only

four cysteines per molecule and some give 17 plus. Thus a 100% undenatured

protein might give four or 17 residues, or something in between, and you have to

know which proteins are present to get the proper figure.

all good,

Duncan

> > > >> Got a price from Nutritek on 33 lb bags of high-quality undenatured

> > whey

> > > >> isolate: $349 CAD plus about $25 shipping from Montreal.

> > > >>

> > > >> http://www.nutriteck.com/sportswpi100.html

> > > >>

> > > >> Considerable savings and an excellent profile.

> > > >

> > > > Hey Duncan,

> > > >

> > > > I'm noticing that different products have different recommended amounts

> > > > per serving...

> > > >

> > > > What is the optimal amount per serving, on average? Most of the others

> > > > have scoops twice as big as the 10g one that site shows, and they

> > > > recommend 1-2 of them per serving... so I'm confused about how much I

> > > > should be taking and how many times per day.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, I prefer the LifeSource brand, its (claimed to be) from grass

> > > > fed cows that are disease-free, pesticide-free, chemical-free, hormone

> > > > treatment-free and GMO-free, and is only $3 more per pound even when

> > > > buying just one 2.2lb tub... they also offer a 20% discount for 6 or

> > > > more tubs, which brings the price down to about the same as the

> > above...

> > > >

> > > > http://www.lifesource4life.com/protein.html

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

When I went to order the 6 containers of the whey, I did not get the 20%

discount.

> Got a price from Nutritek on 33 lb bags of high-quality undenatured whey

> isolate: $349 CAD plus about $25 shipping from Montreal.

>

> http://www.nutriteck.com/sportswpi100.html

>

> Considerable savings and an excellent profile.

Hey Duncan,

I'm noticing that different products have different recommended amounts

per serving...

What is the optimal amount per serving, on average? Most of the others

have scoops twice as big as the 10g one that site shows, and they

recommend 1-2 of them per serving... so I'm confused about how much I

should be taking and how many times per day.

Anyway, I prefer the LifeSource brand, its (claimed to be) from grass

fed cows that are disease-free, pesticide-free, chemical-free, hormone

treatment-free and GMO-free, and is only $3 more per pound even when

buying just one 2.2lb tub... they also offer a 20% discount for 6 or

more tubs, which brings the price down to about the same as the above...

http://www.lifesource4life.com/protein.html

[Guest guest]

If I am not mistaken, LifeSource whey is isolate not concentrate. So if you are

assuming that the value of isolate and concentrate is the same, then I guess the

statement below is true....Margo

On Mar 6, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:

>

> So, looks like 0% denaturation for LifeSource whey as well, and that,

> combined with the fact that they plainly state that the milk comes from

> grass fed cows that are disease-free, pesticide-free, chemical-free,

> hormone treatment-free and GMO-free makes it the best, bar none...

[Guest guest]

Lyn, if you meant to write raw liquid whey is cheaper than powdered, bear in

mind that a single dose of whey powder requires many gallons of raw whey, and

you can't drink enough raw whey in a day to get a single low " dose " of

glutathione precursors. And, if you watered down the whey shake to match the

concentration in raw whey, the cost will be similar and the effect will be

similarly lost.

all good,

Duncan

> > > > >> Got a price from Nutritek on 33 lb bags of high-quality undenatured

> > > whey

> > > > >> isolate: $349 CAD plus about $25 shipping from Montreal.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> http://www.nutriteck.com/sportswpi100.html

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Considerable savings and an excellent profile.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hey Duncan,

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm noticing that different products have different recommended

amounts

> > > > > per serving...

> > > > >

> > > > > What is the optimal amount per serving, on average? Most of the others

> > > > > have scoops twice as big as the 10g one that site shows, and they

> > > > > recommend 1-2 of them per serving... so I'm confused about how much I

> > > > > should be taking and how many times per day.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyway, I prefer the LifeSource brand, its (claimed to be) from grass

> > > > > fed cows that are disease-free, pesticide-free, chemical-free, hormone

> > > > > treatment-free and GMO-free, and is only $3 more per pound even when

> > > > > buying just one 2.2lb tub... they also offer a 20% discount for 6 or

> > > > > more tubs, which brings the price down to about the same as the

> > > above...

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.lifesource4life.com/protein.html

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Whey isolates and concentrates do not have the same profile, and the specific

glutathione precursors of each have to be worked out from its profile. Isolates

extracted for this purpose usually contain higher glutathione precursors than

very good concentrates do.

all good,

Duncan

>

>

> If I am not mistaken, LifeSource whey is isolate not concentrate. So if you

are assuming that the value of isolate and concentrate is the same, then I guess

the statement below is true....Margo

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan,

Here's the protein analysis for True Protein WPI

Beta-lactoglobulin 68-75%

Alpha-lactalbumin 19-25%

Bovine Serum Albumin 2-3%

Immunoglobulin 2-3%

Certainly looks like a good product to me, and about equal to Nutriteck

depending on the marker, but it's slightly cheaper, sourced from US

manufacturers as well as melamine free. About the only thing I don't see is

grass fed, Non GMO feed, hormone/pesticide free cows from organic farms.

yg

On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

>

>

> YG, the lactoferrin, beta-lactoglobulin, serum albumin and alpha

> lactalbumin on the label are the undenatured proteins. When they are

> denatured they are broken into something else and not on the label.

>

> Directly comparing the weight of the proteins and how many bonded cysteines

> occur in each is how to figure the potency of the supplement with regard to

> glutathione promotion. The number of cysteine residues per protein is given

> in the method at the bottom of the whey page:

> http://tinyurl.com/whey-page

>

> I checked out the trueprotein.com Whey Protein Isolate Microfiltrated to

> compare with Now's, and it doesn't give the protein analysis.

>

> Deducing what bonded cysteines might be there based on an overall

> percentage of undenaturation does not supply the detail you need, as some

> proteins give only four cysteines per molecule and some give 17 plus. Thus a

> 100% undenatured protein might give four or 17 residues, or something in

> between, and you have to know which proteins are present to get the proper

> figure.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

>

>

> > > > >> Got a price from Nutritek on 33 lb bags of high-quality

> undenatured

> > > whey

> > > > >> isolate: $349 CAD plus about $25 shipping from Montreal.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> http://www.nutriteck.com/sportswpi100.html

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Considerable savings and an excellent profile.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hey Duncan,

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm noticing that different products have different recommended

> amounts

> > > > > per serving...

> > > > >

> > > > > What is the optimal amount per serving, on average? Most of the

> others

> > > > > have scoops twice as big as the 10g one that site shows, and they

> > > > > recommend 1-2 of them per serving... so I'm confused about how much

> I

> > > > > should be taking and how many times per day.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyway, I prefer the LifeSource brand, its (claimed to be) from

> grass

> > > > > fed cows that are disease-free, pesticide-free, chemical-free,

> hormone

> > > > > treatment-free and GMO-free, and is only $3 more per pound even

> when

> > > > > buying just one 2.2lb tub... they also offer a 20% discount for 6

> or

> > > > > more tubs, which brings the price down to about the same as the

> > > above...

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.lifesource4life.com/protein.html

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes, that's a good undenatured whey isolate. Anything around 50%-55%

beta-lactoglobilin, 2%-3% serum albumin and 20-23% alpha lactalbumin is about

average for an undenatured isolate. True Protein WPI is a bit higher in

beta-lactoglobulin than some; this protein yields I think only 4 cysteine

residues per molecule, but a few grams more of this protein will make a

difference.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Duncan,

>

> Here's the protein analysis for True Protein WPI

>

> Beta-lactoglobulin 68-75%

> Alpha-lactalbumin 19-25%

> Bovine Serum Albumin 2-3%

> Immunoglobulin 2-3%

>

> Certainly looks like a good product to me, and about equal to Nutriteck

> depending on the marker, but it's slightly cheaper, sourced from US

> manufacturers as well as melamine free. About the only thing I don't see is

> grass fed, Non GMO feed, hormone/pesticide free cows from organic farms.

>

> yg

>

[Guest guest]

How many gallons of kefir do you intend to consume per day?

Alobar

On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Lyn K <godisbest4me@...> wrote:

> I say to this ongoing topic of undenatured whey, make some kefir and start

> drinking that daily. This is totally unprocessed, undenatured whey protein. I

> have just started, about 15 days ago and I see that this is the way to get

pure

> whey. The taste is amazing, the health benefits were seen from the first

sample

> I drank and it is a whole lot cheaper.

>

>

> I grew up with the nursery rhyme about little miss muffit, who sat on her

> tuffet, eating her curds and whey. But I never knew what curds and whey were.

> Now I do, and it is fun!

>

[Guest guest]

Whey in the form of kefir is the most pure and highest in protein and minerals,

so I do not see a need to drink more than an 8 or 10 oz glass a day.

________________________________

From: Alobar <Alobar@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Sun, March 6, 2011 7:39:27 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Good undenatured whey source

How many gallons of kefir do you intend to consume per day?

Alobar

On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Lyn K <godisbest4me@...> wrote:

> I say to this ongoing topic of undenatured whey, make some kefir and start

> drinking that daily. This is totally unprocessed, undenatured whey protein. I

> have just started, about 15 days ago and I see that this is the way to get

pure

> whey. The taste is amazing, the health benefits were seen from the first

sample

> I drank and it is a whole lot cheaper.

>

>

> I grew up with the nursery rhyme about little miss muffit, who sat on her

> tuffet, eating her curds and whey. But I never knew what curds and whey were.

> Now I do, and it is fun!

>

[Guest guest]

Lyn K; the potency of undenatured whey is in the solids. WHile whey is very

thin, whey powder is concentrated to provide the benefits of about 15 gallons of

raw liquid whey per glass.

Raw liquid whey is better than not drinking whey at all but it can't accomplish

what we're looking for unless you add a 30 gram scoop of undenatured whey powder

per glass.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Whey in the form of kefir is the most pure and highest in protein and

minerals,

> so I do not see a need to drink more than an 8 or 10 oz glass a day.

>

>

[Guest guest]

On 2011-03-06 3:31 PM, Theta wrote:

> When I went to order the 6 containers of the whey, I did not get the

> 20% discount.

Hopefully you didn't follow through with the order... maybe you have to

call them on the phone? I was told this via email, here is the quote

(with the persons name and phone number):

*************** Quoting LifeSource Sales Rep:

" Unfortunately, we do not have larger containers. We do offer a 20%

discount on 6 or more.

Dania G

LifeSource Nutrition

(800) 567-8122

lifesource4life@...

A Company that Answers to God in all We Do! "

********************************** End Quote

>

>

>> Got a price from Nutritek on 33 lb bags of high-quality undenatured whey

>

>> isolate: $349 CAD plus about $25 shipping from Montreal.

>

>>

>

>> http://www.nutriteck.com/sportswpi100.html

>

>>

>

>> Considerable savings and an excellent profile.

>

> Hey Duncan,

>

> I'm noticing that different products have different recommended amounts

>

> per serving...

>

> What is the optimal amount per serving, on average? Most of the others

>

> have scoops twice as big as the 10g one that site shows, and they

>

> recommend 1-2 of them per serving... so I'm confused about how much I

>

> should be taking and how many times per day.

>

> Anyway, I prefer the LifeSource brand, its (claimed to be) from grass

>

> fed cows that are disease-free, pesticide-free, chemical-free, hormone

>

> treatment-free and GMO-free, and is only $3 more per pound even when

>

> buying just one 2.2lb tub... they also offer a 20% discount for 6 or

>

> more tubs, which brings the price down to about the same as the above...

>

> http://www.lifesource4life.com/protein.html

>

>

[Guest guest]

On 2011-03-06 2:25 PM, Lyn K wrote:

> I say to this ongoing topic of undenatured whey, make some kefir and

> start drinking that daily. This is totally unprocessed, undenatured

> whey protein.

Ummm... no, it's not?

Kefir != whey

Whey != Whey Protein Isolate

That's not to denigrate kefir, but your statement simply wasn't true.

[Guest guest]

Duncan,

Any chance you can " work out the cysteines " of any whey to use as an example as

described in http://tinyurl.com/whey-page or get me started on working out the

cysteine.. having trouble with it.

Also, how does one figure out/ find out the glutathione precursors (lactoferrin,

beta-lactoglobulin, serum albumin and alpha lactalbumin, etc.) of a particular

whey? or does that come from the manufacturer?

here is a whey profile if you don't have one of your own.

http://www.nowfoods.com/Products/M002795.htm

much thanks

elaine

>

> YG, the lactoferrin, beta-lactoglobulin, serum albumin and alpha lactalbumin

on the label are the undenatured proteins. When they are denatured they are

broken into something else and not on the label.

>

> Directly comparing the weight of the proteins and how many bonded cysteines

occur in each is how to figure the potency of the supplement with regard to

glutathione promotion. The number of cysteine residues per protein is given in

the method at the bottom of the whey page:

> http://tinyurl.com/whey-page

>

> I checked out the trueprotein.com Whey Protein Isolate Microfiltrated to

compare with Now's, and it doesn't give the protein analysis.

>

> Deducing what bonded cysteines might be there based on an overall percentage

of undenaturation does not supply the detail you need, as some proteins give

only four cysteines per molecule and some give 17 plus. Thus a 100% undenatured

protein might give four or 17 residues, or something in between, and you have to

know which proteins are present to get the proper figure.

>

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

[Guest guest]

kefir doesn't have whey in it?

> > I say to this ongoing topic of undenatured whey, make some kefir and

> > start drinking that daily. This is totally unprocessed, undenatured

> > whey protein.

>

> Ummm... no, it's not?

>

> Kefir != whey

>

> Whey != Whey Protein Isolate

>

> That's not to denigrate kefir, but your statement simply wasn't true.

>

[Guest guest]

On 2011-03-09 10:25 PM, elaine1231 wrote:

> Tanstaafl wrote:

>> On 2011-03-06 2:25 PM, Lyn K wrote:

>>> I say to this ongoing topic of undenatured whey, make some kefir and

>>> start drinking that daily. This is totally unprocessed, undenatured

>>> whey protein.

>> Ummm... no, it's not?

>>

>> Kefir != whey

>>

>> Whey != Whey Protein Isolate

>>

>> That's not to denigrate kefir, but your statement simply wasn't true.

> kefir doesn't have whey in it?

Did I say that? No... so I'm puzzled why you seem to have read it that way.

I said Kefir != why (!= means 'is not equal to')

Milk has whey in it... does that mean is the same thing as whey?

[Guest guest]

Elaine it takes awhile to work out the bonded cysteine precursors in a whey

because the precursor proteins are different weights. Also, wheys contain

varying amounts of bonded cysteine and free cysteine and we don't have accurate

figures from the companies for the variable.

So, while there's no reason to go after the absolute figure but as an academic

exercise, a very good comparison between undenatured wheys can be made by using

the relative percentages of beta-lactoglobulin, lactoferrin, serum albumin and

alpha lactalbumin of some of the better representative products we have already

discussed.

Although the precursor weight is important, glutathione manufacture in the body

drops with age, and that amount is not uniform but relative to the individual.

Even with the same precursors, people of different biological ages and health

make varying amounts of glutathione from it.

The short of it is, if you want an academic exercise, fill yer boots, if you

want to compare the good whey products, we have enough data and method, if you

want the best all round precursor product, you'd simply select Immunocal or

ImmunoPro as being in the same family.

Note the product analysis you referred to indicates low temp extraction but

doen't supply the data you need to make a calculation.

http://www.nowfoods.com/Products/M002795.htm

all good,

Duncan

>

> Duncan,

> Any chance you can " work out the cysteines " of any whey to use as an example

as described in http://tinyurl.com/whey-page or get me started on working out

the cysteine.. having trouble with it.

> Also, how does one figure out/ find out the glutathione precursors

(lactoferrin, beta-lactoglobulin, serum albumin and alpha lactalbumin, etc.) of

a particular whey? or does that come from the manufacturer?

>

> here is a whey profile if you don't have one of your own.

http://www.nowfoods.com/Products/M002795.htm

>

> much thanks

>

> elaine

>

[Guest guest]

Elaine: kefir contins whey solids, yes, and 15 gallons of kefir is roughly

equivalent to 30 grams of powdered whey solids.

A pinch of powdered whey in a glass of water is about the same concentration as

natural raw whey.

Kefir is good for you but it will provide less than 1/6 of a dose of glutathione

precursors even if it is your only fluid intake.

all good,

Duncan

> > > I say to this ongoing topic of undenatured whey, make some kefir and

> > > start drinking that daily. This is totally unprocessed, undenatured

> > > whey protein.

> >

> > Ummm... no, it's not?

> >

> > Kefir != whey

> >

> > Whey != Whey Protein Isolate

> >

> > That's not to denigrate kefir, but your statement simply wasn't true.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

thanks for the response

Is it possible to say that a minimally processed kefir contains whey protein and

from that whey, a whey isolate could be made?

I fully understand that the desired intake of whey for our glutathione

precursors is easily met with powdered whey protein. I just didn't see what was

wrong with the below statement... other than having to consume extreme amounts

of kefir.

On 2011-03-06 2:25 PM, Lyn K wrote:

>>> I say to this ongoing topic of undenatured whey, make some kefir and

>>> start drinking that daily. This is totally unprocessed, undenatured

>>> whey protein.

thanks

elaine

> > > > I say to this ongoing topic of undenatured whey, make some kefir and

> > > > start drinking that daily. This is totally unprocessed, undenatured

> > > > whey protein.

> > >

> > > Ummm... no, it's not?

> > >

> > > Kefir != whey

> > >

> > > Whey != Whey Protein Isolate

> > >

> > > That's not to denigrate kefir, but your statement simply wasn't true.

> > >

> >

>