Re: Good undenatured whey source

[Guest guest]

yg

how did you come by this protein analysis information?

thanks

elaine

> Here's the protein analysis for True Protein WPI

>

> Beta-lactoglobulin 68-75%

> Alpha-lactalbumin 19-25%

> Bovine Serum Albumin 2-3%

> Immunoglobulin 2-3

> > >

> > > Neither of these companies actually state what percentage of their

> > product

> > > is undenatured. Check out trueprotein.com, they actually state the % of

> > > denaturing. Their cold processed whey is 0-3% denatured, leaving you with

> > what

[Guest guest]

> >>> start drinking that daily. This is totally unprocessed,

undenatured

> >>> whey protein.

I took these statements as kefir contains undenatured whey.. and not as

kefir is 100% undenatured whey protein.

I don't think Lyn K was suggesting that they are one in the same. I

thought she was saying that one way to obtain whey protein, would be to

drink some kefir.

Maybe I am the only one who took it this way.

≠ or /= are the likely more recognized " not equal to " symbols

> >>> I say to this ongoing topic of undenatured whey, make some kefir

and

> >>> start drinking that daily. This is totally unprocessed,

undenatured

> >>> whey protein.

>

> >> Ummm... no, it's not?

> >>

> >> Kefir != whey

> >>

> >> Whey != Whey Protein Isolate

> >>

> >> That's not to denigrate kefir, but your statement simply wasn't

true.

>

> > kefir doesn't have whey in it?

>

> Did I say that? No... so I'm puzzled why you seem to have read it that

way.

>

> I said Kefir != why (!= means 'is not equal to')

>

> Milk has whey in it... does that mean is the same thing as whey?

>

[Guest guest]

On 2011-03-11 11:03 PM, elaine1231 wrote:

> Lyn said:

>> start drinking that daily. This is totally unprocessed, undenatured

>> whey protein.

> I took these statements as kefir contains undenatured whey.. and not as

> kefir is 100% undenatured whey protein.

She said *is*, not *contains*. The biggest problem with this is the

amount... the amount of undenatured whey in kefir is negligible.

> I don't think Lyn K was suggesting that they are one in the same.

Without semantic precision, all you have is gobbledygook. I take people

at what they say, and don't try to read things into it that aren't there.

> I thought she was saying that one way to obtain whey protein, would

> be to drink some kefir.

Even if that is what she had said, the fact remains that the amount of

whey protein is negligible.

> â‰

Never seen that one before...

> or /= are the likely more recognized " not equal to " symbols

True, but I'm a techie...

http://able2know.org/topic/25688-1

[Guest guest]

Elaine,

2 sources -

1. I Scoured their forum posts and found relevant posts

2. Then followed up with a direct email for confirmation as the forum posts

were several years old

yg

On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 10:01 PM, elaine1231 <elaine1231@...> wrote:

>

>

> yg

>

> how did you come by this protein analysis information?

>

> thanks

>

> elaine

>

> > Here's the protein analysis for True Protein WPI

> >

> > Beta-lactoglobulin 68-75%

> > Alpha-lactalbumin 19-25%

> > Bovine Serum Albumin 2-3%

> > Immunoglobulin 2-3

>

> > > >

> > > > Neither of these companies actually state what percentage of their

> > > product

> > > > is undenatured. Check out trueprotein.com, they actually state the %

> of

> > > > denaturing. Their cold processed whey is 0-3% denatured, leaving you

> with

> > > what

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just a follow up on an old post -

I just ordered 20 pounds of Whey Protein Isolate from LifeSource.

http://www.lifesource4life.com/protein.html

<http://www.lifesource4life.com/protein.html>The person on the phone said

their Whey is 100% UN-denatured, which is a little hard to believe, but it

seems like a good product. I normally buy from True Protein but I figured

I'd give them a shot.

20#, GMO free, no pesticides, flavoring from stevia instead of sucralose,

sucrose or fructose....20% discount, and you can mix-n-match flavors - I

bought 2 of each, choco, vanilla, unflavored. Normally everything I buy is

unflavored, but I figured I'd give the stevia mix a try.

With shipping, 6 containers was $189

yg

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 5:05 AM, Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...> wrote:

>

>

> On 2011-03-06 3:31 PM, Theta wrote:

> > When I went to order the 6 containers of the whey, I did not get the

> > 20% discount.

>

> Hopefully you didn't follow through with the order... maybe you have to

> call them on the phone? I was told this via email, here is the quote

> (with the persons name and phone number):

>

> *************** Quoting LifeSource Sales Rep:

>

> " Unfortunately, we do not have larger containers. We do offer a 20%

> discount on 6 or more.

>

> Dania G

> LifeSource Nutrition

> (800) 567-8122

> lifesource4life@...

> A Company that Answers to God in all We Do! "

>

> ********************************** End Quote

>

>

> >

> >

> >> Got a price from Nutritek on 33 lb bags of high-quality undenatured whey

> >

> >> isolate: $349 CAD plus about $25 shipping from Montreal.

> >

> >>

> >

> >> http://www.nutriteck.com/sportswpi100.html

> >

> >>

> >

> >> Considerable savings and an excellent profile.

> >

> > Hey Duncan,

> >

> > I'm noticing that different products have different recommended amounts

> >

> > per serving...

> >

> > What is the optimal amount per serving, on average? Most of the others

> >

> > have scoops twice as big as the 10g one that site shows, and they

> >

> > recommend 1-2 of them per serving... so I'm confused about how much I

> >

> > should be taking and how many times per day.

> >

> > Anyway, I prefer the LifeSource brand, its (claimed to be) from grass

> >

> > fed cows that are disease-free, pesticide-free, chemical-free, hormone

> >

> > treatment-free and GMO-free, and is only $3 more per pound even when

> >

> > buying just one 2.2lb tub... they also offer a 20% discount for 6 or

> >

> > more tubs, which brings the price down to about the same as the above...

> >

> > http://www.lifesource4life.com/protein.html

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Of course, this product should look good, since it costs nearly twice (@

$12.12 & $13.63/ lb.) that of Now Brand (@ $7.10/ lb.) NOW Brand source

<http://www.supplementwarehouse.com/viewitem.asp?idproduct=162702 & pxc=4 & sh=4>

It is interesting that unflavored, unsweetened Life Source Whey costs

12% more than the flavored, sweetened variety.

You have to wonder... why? At this point, there are no " Food Cops "

enforcing these claims (and I am grateful for that),

But this IS advertising and we all know how that works.

Finally, I have grown to trust NOW Brand over the years just as I have

Swanson's brand products. Life Source has

never had the opportunity to compete, but I have to ask, should they?

>Just a follow up on an old post -

I just ordered 20 pounds of Whey Protein Isolate from LifeSource.

http://www.lifesource4life.com/protein.html

<http://www.lifesource4life.com/protein.html>

<http://www.lifesource4life.com/protein.html

<http://www.lifesource4life.com/protein.html>>The person on the phone said

their Whey is 100% UN-denatured, which is a little hard to believe, but it

seems like a good product. I normally buy from True Protein but I figured

I'd give them a shot.

20#, GMO free, no pesticides, flavoring from stevia instead of sucralose,

sucrose or fructose....

20% discount, and you can mix-n-match flavors - I

bought 2 of each, choco, vanilla, unflavored. Normally everything I buy is

unflavored, but I figured I'd give the stevia mix a try.

With shipping, 6 containers was $189<

[Guest guest]

On 2011-05-18 11:45 AM, Huuman wrote:

> Of course, this product should look good, since it costs nearly twice

> (@ $12.12 & $13.63/ lb.) that of Now Brand (@ $7.10/ lb.) NOW Brand

> source

Yes, because it is guaranteed to be 100% pure whey isolate from RAW

milk, from cows that are rbgh free and not fed any antibiotics, etc...

You get what you pay for.

> It is interesting that unflavored, unsweetened Life Source Whey

> costs 12% more than the flavored, sweetened variety. You have to

> wonder... why?

Because the unflavored is 100% pure whey isolate, and the flavored is a

blend of isolate and concentrate...

You could have easily found this out by asking them yourself.

> At this point, there are no " Food Cops " enforcing these claims (and I

> am grateful for that), But this IS advertising and we all know how

> that works.

There are no guarantees in life, we can only do the best we can do.

I for one love the product, and feel it is the best on the market.

[Guest guest]

About the NOW Whey, I guestion if it is actually cold-processed or not. I've

never seen any mentions of it in product descriptions or at NOW's website. I'm

curious why its recommended if its not stated clearly that it is cold-processed

and undenatured.

>

> Of course, this product should look good, since it costs nearly twice (@

$12.12 & $13.63/ lb.) that of Now Brand (@ $7.10/ lb.) NOW Brand source

> <http://www.supplementwarehouse.com/viewitem.asp?idproduct=162702 & pxc=4 & sh=4>

> It is interesting that unflavored, unsweetened Life Source Whey costs

> 12% more than the flavored, sweetened variety.

> You have to wonder... why? At this point, there are no " Food Cops "

> enforcing these claims (and I am grateful for that),

> But this IS advertising and we all know how that works.

>

> Finally, I have grown to trust NOW Brand over the years just as I have

Swanson's brand products. Life Source has never had the opportunity to compete,

but I have to ask, should they?

[Guest guest]

I have used Now whey isolate and liked it but....

I wrote to them regarding their whey processing and asked if it was ubdenatured.

This was their exact response:

Processing: Partial predigestion, enzyme hydrolysis, precipitation, ultra

filtration, crossflow microfiltration to remove lactose, ash and fat, and high

speed air drying at low temperatures to avoid denaturing the protein components.

Standard USDA cows not specified as Antibiotic/Hormone free.

I will not buy their whey in the future for I am not confident the product is

largely undenatured.

I like Now as a supplement brand though, and will continue to buy their other

products.

thanks

e

> >

> > Of course, this product should look good, since it costs nearly twice (@

$12.12 & $13.63/ lb.) that of Now Brand (@ $7.10/ lb.) NOW Brand source

> >

<http://www.supplementwarehouse.com/viewitem.asp?idproduct=162702 & pxc=4 & sh=4>

> > It is interesting that unflavored, unsweetened Life Source Whey costs

> > 12% more than the flavored, sweetened variety.

> > You have to wonder... why? At this point, there are no " Food Cops "

> > enforcing these claims (and I am grateful for that),

> > But this IS advertising and we all know how that works.

> >

> > Finally, I have grown to trust NOW Brand over the years just as I have

Swanson's brand products. Life Source has never had the opportunity to compete,

but I have to ask, should they?

>

[Guest guest]

Last time I corresponded with NOW, they said their product was 45-55%

denatured, which means it's 45-55% undenatured too.

However, as others can elaborate on, part of the calculation comes from the

bonded Cysteine, and the profile for NOW in regards to that is decent.

I don't mind paying a bit more for GMO, pesticide, hormone free...would be

better if it was organic, pasture raised, but I haven't been able to find

anything with those qualities.

True Protein at least guarantees their protein is from US dairy cows, and

their product has a great profile as well, and is ~98% UN-denatured.

yg

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 1:35 PM, elaine1231 <elaine1231@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> I have used Now whey isolate and liked it but....

> I wrote to them regarding their whey processing and asked if it was

> ubdenatured. This was their exact response:

> Processing: Partial predigestion, enzyme hydrolysis, precipitation, ultra

> filtration, crossflow microfiltration to remove lactose, ash and fat, and

> high speed air drying at low temperatures to avoid denaturing the protein

> components. Standard USDA cows not specified as Antibiotic/Hormone free.

> I will not buy their whey in the future for I am not confident the product

> is largely undenatured.

> I like Now as a supplement brand though, and will continue to buy their

> other products.

>

> thanks

> e

>

>

> > >

> > > Of course, this product should look good, since it costs nearly twice

> (@ $12.12 & $13.63/ lb.) that of Now Brand (@ $7.10/ lb.) NOW Brand source

> > > <

> http://www.supplementwarehouse.com/viewitem.asp?idproduct=162702 & pxc=4 & sh=4

> >

> > > It is interesting that unflavored, unsweetened Life Source Whey costs

> > > 12% more than the flavored, sweetened variety.

> > > You have to wonder... why? At this point, there are no " Food Cops "

> > > enforcing these claims (and I am grateful for that),

> > > But this IS advertising and we all know how that works.

> > >

> > > Finally, I have grown to trust NOW Brand over the years just as I have

> Swanson's brand products. Life Source has never had the opportunity to

> compete, but I have to ask, should they?

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You know the real problem with all of this Tanstaafl?

You are suggesting that we should be paying nearly twice as much

for a product that actually costs many farmers less to produce. I

have a farmer friend just down the road who grows his cows without

any such garbage, that eat just grass... and, of course, it costs

something just to pasteurize milk. In Delaware, my state, it is

illegal to sell any non-pasteurized milk products, period, while

in Pennsylvania doing that is just fine. So people now have coops

that buy raw milk in PA and deliver it to members here (at an

added cost, of course).

You have to wonder how long it will take before the laws are

changed to simply include common sense and we can move along with

this. Raw milk should cost less than pasteurized and homogenized

just as it did when I was a kid. As you might guess, farmers had

a hard time selling their processed product then.

The good news is that a local dairy has just started to sell their

product in glass containers that you take in & they reuse... novel

idea, huh?

We really do need a complete revolution. Starting over makes a

lot of sense when you look at the laws based on ignorance that we

now have.

>Posted by: " Tanstaafl " tanstaafl@...

<mailto:tanstaafl@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Good%20undenatured%20whey%2\

0source>

bernardo_dela_paz <bernardo_dela_paz>

Wed May 18, 2011 9:01 am (PDT)

On 2011-05-18 11:45 AM, Huuman wrote:

> Of course, this product should look good, since it costs nearly twice

> (@ $12.12 & $13.63/ lb.) that of Now Brand (@ $7.10/ lb.) NOW Brand

> source

Yes, because it is guaranteed to be 100% pure whey isolate from RAW

milk, from cows that are rbgh free and not fed any antibiotics, etc...

You get what you pay for.

> It is interesting that unflavored, unsweetened Life Source Whey

> costs 12% more than the flavored, sweetened variety. You have to

> wonder... why?

Because the unflavored is 100% pure whey isolate, and the flavored is a

blend of isolate and concentrate.

...

You could have easily found this out by asking them yourself.

> At this point, there are no " Food Cops " enforcing these claims (and I

> am grateful for that), But this IS advertising and we all know how

> that works.

There are no guarantees in life, we can only do the best we can do.

I for one love the product, and feel it is the best on the market.<

[Guest guest]

Now Foods says the whey that is used to extract their isolate from has been

flash pasteurised like the rest but the ingradients reflects that undenatured

glutathione precursors have been extracted from it, albeit in a different ratio

from raw.

all good,

Duncan

>

> About the NOW Whey, I guestion if it is actually cold-processed or not. I've

never seen any mentions of it in product descriptions or at NOW's website. I'm

curious why its recommended if its not stated clearly that it is cold-processed

and undenatured.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

yg,

you may find these wheys of interest

http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=1424 & cat=35 & page=1

http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=43 & cat=31 & page=1

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU477/ItemDetail?n=0 contains

non-denatured, non-acid, cold processed whey protein concentrate from grass-fed

cows that are not hormone treated

If you can explain.... if Now protein is only 45-55% undenatured how does the

cysteine profile even matter

thanks

e

> > >

> > > About the NOW Whey, I guestion if it is actually cold-processed or not.

> > I've never seen any mentions of it in product descriptions or at NOW's

> > website. I'm curious why its recommended if its not stated clearly that it

> > is cold-processed and undenatured.

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

On 2011-05-19 6:17 PM, Huuman wrote:

> You know the real problem with all of this Tanstaafl?

>

> You are suggesting that we should be paying nearly twice as much

> for a product that actually costs many farmers less to produce.

I think this is a false premise... on what do you base this presumption?

One of the reasons corporate farmers *like* pasteurization is it allows

them to be far more *careless* (ie, reduce expenses) in their mass

production processes.

You simply cannot compare the mass production process facilities, where

farmers basically keep their cows in stalls their entire lives, eating

GMO crap and being fed hormones to dramatically increase milk

production, to the small farmer who uses sustainable practices... it

*will* cost the small farmer more, even though it seems on the surface

that it might not.

I know - I was closely involved with one of the co-ops of which you

speak, and he eventually quit, because he simply couldn't make any

money, even selling the milk at twice what the the mass produced garbage

sells for in the stores.

> You have to wonder how long it will take before the laws are

> changed to simply include common sense and we can move along with

> this. Raw milk should cost less than pasteurized and homogenized

> just as it did when I was a kid. As you might guess, farmers had

> a hard time selling their processed product then.

I agree that if the *laws* were changed, things would *eventually* be

different...

> The good news is that a local dairy has just started to sell their

> product in glass containers that you take in & they reuse... novel

> idea, huh?

>

> We really do need a complete revolution. Starting over makes a

> lot of sense when you look at the laws based on ignorance that we

> now have.

No argument there...

[Guest guest]

On 2011-05-20 12:37 AM, elaine1231 wrote:

> you may find these wheys of interest

> http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=1424 & cat=35 & page=1

> http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=43 & cat=31 & page=1

> http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU477/ItemDetail?n=0 contains

> non-denatured, non-acid, cold processed whey protein concentrate from

> grass-fed cows that are not hormone treated

The first two are NOT whey concentrates, they are isolates - big

difference...

And they're all about the same price as the LifeSource - the Swanson is

actually a bit more (per pound)...

But yeah, at least they appear to be a decent quality...

[Guest guest]

I never said they were whey protein concentrate, just referred to the swanson as

wpc, because we usually discuss isolates. The comment " contains non-denatured,

non-acid, cold processed whey protein concentrate from grass-fed cows that are

not hormone treated " only referred to the Swanson product, as some prefer a

whey isolate.

Some people may prefer not to buy from Lifesource. It is stated on their

website:

" LifeSource Nutrition is a God based company that you can trust. We donate all

of our proceeds to Campus Crusade for Christ & The Jesus Film Project, which are

great organizations and we are honored to donate to them. "

thanks

e

> > you may find these wheys of interest

> > http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=1424 & cat=35 & page=1

> > http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=43 & cat=31 & page=1

> > http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU477/ItemDetail?n=0 contains

> > non-denatured, non-acid, cold processed whey protein concentrate from

> > grass-fed cows that are not hormone treated

>

> The first two are NOT whey concentrates, they are isolates - big

> difference...

>

> And they're all about the same price as the LifeSource - the Swanson is

> actually a bit more (per pound)...

>

> But yeah, at least they appear to be a decent quality...

>

[Guest guest]

Hi folks , I love to support wholesome businesses that promote wonderfull

programs but for right now my situation is i only have a little money to do

a lot of needed help. I found Jarrow brand whey at my local health food

store 18 dollars

for two pounds . There is some Whey Isolate at the big box store for six

dollars a pound have to buy six pounds but i really need a easy and simple (

whey) to look at the ingredients to tell if it is any darn good Thanks Ted

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 9:21 AM, elaine1231 <elaine1231@...> wrote:

>

>

> I never said they were whey protein concentrate, just referred to the

> swanson as wpc, because we usually discuss isolates. The comment " contains

> non-denatured, non-acid, cold processed whey protein concentrate from

> grass-fed cows that are not hormone treated " only referred to the Swanson

> product, as some prefer a whey isolate.

> Some people may prefer not to buy from Lifesource. It is stated on their

> website:

> " LifeSource Nutrition is a God based company that you can trust. We donate

> all of our proceeds to Campus Crusade for Christ & The Jesus Film Project,

> which are great organizations and we are honored to donate to them. "

>

> thanks

> e

>

>

>

> > > you may find these wheys of interest

> > >

> http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=1424 & cat=35 & page=1

> > > http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=43 & cat=31 & page=1

> > > http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU477/ItemDetail?n=0 contains

> > > non-denatured, non-acid, cold processed whey protein concentrate from

> > > grass-fed cows that are not hormone treated

> >

> > The first two are NOT whey concentrates, they are isolates - big

> > difference...

> >

> > And they're all about the same price as the LifeSource - the Swanson is

> > actually a bit more (per pound)...

> >

> > But yeah, at least they appear to be a decent quality...

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

As Duncan pointed out some time ago, " it is ll about the product

wording " . In that post, he recommended Now brand as a good product.

Here is what I have discovered since:

Now Brand sells a couple of " levels " and their higher, unflavored

quality costs about twice as much. Initially, I bought the cheap

variety. It was vanilla flavored, it dissolved very easily in liquids,

and I loved the taste. On my next order, I was more careful. I read

about what to watch out for on a competitor's web site. The Now Whey

that I currently use is less absorbable, much more difficult to mix in,

and not as tasty, being unflavored, plus it costs twice as much. Now is

not so careful in explaining why I should pay twice as much for

something packaged nearly the same, but I think that I get it. I could

be wrong, but as you say, we take our chances. Still, I believe that I

have settled in the correct pew.

>About the NOW Whey, I question if it is actually cold-processed or

not. I've never seen any mentions of it in product descriptions or at

NOW's website. I'm curious why its recommended if its not stated clearly

that it is cold-processed and undenatured.

<

[Guest guest]

I eat lunch with farmers probably once a week, and that is not what the

ones that I talk with tell me. They say that they would love to get

around this whole government " control process " if they could. Maybe

Delaware farmers are maybe just more honest, I seriously doubt it.

On a related topic, the beef farmers around here all raise their steer

on grass and then finish them. on grain for 30 days because they have

the perception that totally grass grown cow meat is " greenish colored "

and no one would want to buy it. Farmers are generally a pretty

intelligent bunch, but I kinda think that that is a load of bull. Some

day, I plan to go in with friends and buy one " unfinished " . Turns out

that the price is identical according my farmer friends... which is not

what you read.

Finally, I would generally trust small farmers more than just about any

other single segment of the population, period, given the choice. They

are just not into deception. Where you get into problems is with the

big factory farms (you know, the kind that our government supports) that

are quickly taking them out of the businesses.

>One of the reasons corporate farmers *like* pasteurization is it

allows them to be far more *careless* (ie, reduce expenses) in their

mass production processes.<

[Guest guest]

Hi Elaine,

I trust Dr. Mercola's assessment that concentrate is superior to isolate:

http://tinyurl.com/6533scy

I've tried several other brands, including NOW and Lifesource, but am returning

to Swanson's. I also trust them when they say it comes from grass-fed cows.

Lifesourse says that on their website, but no such statement appears on their

product.

Best,

Dee

> > > you may find these wheys of interest

> > > http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=1424 & cat=35 & page=1

> > > http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=43 & cat=31 & page=1

> > > http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU477/ItemDetail?n=0 contains

> > > non-denatured, non-acid, cold processed whey protein concentrate from

> > > grass-fed cows that are not hormone treated

> >

> > The first two are NOT whey concentrates, they are isolates - big

> > difference...

> >

> > And they're all about the same price as the LifeSource - the Swanson is

> > actually a bit more (per pound)...

> >

> > But yeah, at least they appear to be a decent quality...

> >

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/21/2011 6:52:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

frantzgm@... writes:

I have been using NOW Whey protein for a while. Now I have some doubts, no

pun intended. The attraction was the price. At 75 for a10 lb sack it was a

very good deal considering that is is my main source of protein

(vegetarian not vegan)...

I sincerely would like the advice of experts on NOW. I understand I must

do my research but their input will be much appreciated.

Also what about Country Life Biochem pure Whey Isolate. This one says it

is 99% undenatured but the source of the whey is not clear on the Box...

Much more expensive than NOW? The largest size I have found is the 2.2 Lbs at

about $25. Found it online and at WholeFoods Market .

Same here. I ordered 5 lbs of NOW from Duncan and after it got here I

couldn't find anywhere that it was undenatured so I never used it. I'm sure

it's not good now.

Edith

[Guest guest]

Hi

I have been using NOW Whey protein for a while. Now I have some doubts, no pun

intended. The attraction was the price. At 75 for a10 lb sack it was a very good

deal considering that is is my main source of protein (vegetarian not vegan)...

I sincerely would like the advice of experts on NOW. I understand I must do my

research but their input will be much appreciated.

Also what about Country Life Biochem pure Whey Isolate. This one says it is 99%

undenatured but the source of the whey is not clear on the Box... Much more

expensive than NOW? The largest size I have found is the 2.2 Lbs at about $25.

Found it  online and at WholeFoods Market .

Frantz

From: elaine1231 <elaine1231@...>

Subject: Re: Good undenatured whey source

Coconut Oil

Date: Thursday, May 19, 2011, 2:35 PM

 

I have used Now whey isolate and liked it but....

I wrote to them regarding their whey processing and asked if it was ubdenatured.

This was their exact response:

Processing: Partial predigestion, enzyme hydrolysis, precipitation, ultra

filtration, crossflow microfiltration to remove lactose, ash and fat, and high

speed air drying at low temperatures to avoid denaturing the protein components.

Standard USDA cows not specified as Antibiotic/Hormone free.

I will not buy their whey in the future for I am not confident the product is

largely undenatured.

I like Now as a supplement brand though, and will continue to buy their other

products.

thanks

e

> >

> > Of course, this product should look good, since it costs nearly twice (@

$12.12 & $13.63/ lb.) that of Now Brand (@ $7.10/ lb.) NOW Brand source

> >

<http://www.supplementwarehouse.com/viewitem.asp?idproduct=162702 & pxc=4 & sh=4>

> > It is interesting that unflavored, unsweetened Life Source Whey costs

> > 12% more than the flavored, sweetened variety.

> > You have to wonder... why? At this point, there are no " Food Cops "

> > enforcing these claims (and I am grateful for that),

> > But this IS advertising and we all know how that works.

> >

> > Finally, I have grown to trust NOW Brand over the years just as I have

Swanson's brand products. Life Source has never had the opportunity to compete,

but I have to ask, should they?

>

[Guest guest]

We did investigate the Now Whey isolate and found it had undenatured proteins

listed. When they are broken (denatured) by processing they are absent so

wouldn't be listed.

Scavenging of undenatured fractions of flash-pasteurised whey is common. The 99%

undenatured claimed by the other brand probably indicates no flash

pasteurisation. They will have different undenatured protein profiles because of

different handling.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Hi

>

> I have been using NOW Whey protein for a while. Now I have some doubts, no pun

intended. The attraction was the price. At 75 for a10 lb sack it was a very good

deal considering that is is my main source of protein (vegetarian not vegan)...

> I sincerely would like the advice of experts on NOW. I understand I must do my

research but their input will be much appreciated.

> Also what about Country Life Biochem pure Whey Isolate. This one says it is

99% undenatured but the source of the whey is not clear on the Box... Much more

expensive than NOW? The largest size I have found is the 2.2 Lbs at about $25.

Found it  online and at WholeFoods Market .

>

> Frantz

>

[Guest guest]

Here's my new Cold-Processed/Undenatured Whey comparison List and prices. Most

don't use Grassfed Cows, two do though. If they did I'm sure they would

advertise it. Added some info and one brand since last time. :-) I haven't read

the Mercola article..always learning.

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-- Designer Whey French Vanilla - Become a member at their site and get $2 off

coupons. I have this and it uses ALOT of powder per grams of protein. Some say

it tastes horrible, that's not true. Vanilla is very mild/weak, add a touch of

KAL stevia and it tastes good.

2 LBS - $20 at VitaminShoppe - http://bit.ly/mFmlnN

34 servings @ 18 Grams

68 servings @ 9 Grams

KAL Stevia Extract is the Best I've tasted. Expensive at first but mostly use

tiny amounts.

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=KA-7011

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=KA-1963

-- True Protein - $9-10 per Pound + shipping

http://www.trueprotein.com/Product_Details.aspx?cid=22 & pid=633

Flavors use Sucralose. Could make your own flavoring (Vanilla + Stevia).

1 LB

15 servings @ 27 Grams

30 servings @ 13.5 G

45 servings @ 9 G

2 LBS

30 servings @ 27 Grams

60 servings @ 13.5 G

90 servings @ 9 G

From TP FAQ: " At the current time, none of our whey or casein protein materials

are sourced from organic or grass fed cows. We will be looking to incorporate

more of these products into our product line in the coming months. "

-- Swanson's Vanilla Whey - Grassfed cows, Undenatured - $15 + shipping

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU477/ItemDetail

TIP - Search for 'Swanson Coupons' and usually find $3-5 off)

18 Servings @ 17 Grams

36 servings @ 8.5 Grams

-- Country Life BioChem - 99% Undenatured - 29.9 oz. - $23

Doesn't say Grassfed - " Free of Artificial Hormones Including rBST and rBGH "

http://bit.ly/mdgmMc ($6.50 cheaper than iherb)

28 servings @ 20 Grams

56 servings @ 10 Grams

-- LifeSource4life - 3.3 LBS / Undenatured, Grassfed, Stevia - $48 shipped

http://www.lifesource4life.com/protein.html

30 Scoops in 3.3 LB Container (company emailed me)

27 Grams per Scoop

81 servings@ 9 Grams

60 servings@ 13.5 Grams

-- MRM Bodybuilder Whey - $36 shipped

(1 gram of L-Glutamine per serving)

Flavorings - Stevia, Carrageenan

39 Servings @ 18 Grams

78 Servings @ 9 Grams

>

> Hi Elaine,

>

> I trust Dr. Mercola's assessment that concentrate is superior to isolate:

> http://tinyurl.com/6533scy

>

> I've tried several other brands, including NOW and Lifesource, but am

returning to Swanson's. I also trust them when they say it comes from grass-fed

cows. Lifesourse says that on their website, but no such statement appears on

their product.

>

> Best,

> Dee

[Guest guest]

Forgot the link to MRM Bodybuilder Whey. It says " produced by a

state-of-the-art, low temperature, ultra-filtration process " . Not sure if that

means undenatured or not, but Vitacost is having a nice sale on it.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/mrm/met.html

$20 / 5 LBS

http://www.vitacost.com/MRM-Whey-Pumped-Rich-Vanilla

-- MRM Bodybuilder Whey - $36 shipped

(1 gram of L-Glutamine per serving)

Flavorings - Stevia, Carrageenan

39 Servings @ 18 Grams

78 Servings @ 9 Grams

> >

> > Hi Elaine,

> >

> > I trust Dr. Mercola's assessment that concentrate is superior to isolate:

> > http://tinyurl.com/6533scy

> >

> > I've tried several other brands, including NOW and Lifesource, but am

returning to Swanson's. I also trust them when they say it comes from grass-fed

cows. Lifesourse says that on their website, but no such statement appears on

their product.

> >

> > Best,

> > Dee

>