Re: Good undenatured whey source

[Guest guest]

Sorry,

$20 / 2 LBS

http://www.vitacost.com/MRM-Whey-Pumped-Rich-Vanilla

>

> Forgot the link to MRM Bodybuilder Whey. It says " produced by a

state-of-the-art, low temperature, ultra-filtration process " . Not sure if that

means undenatured or not, but Vitacost is having a nice sale on it.

>

> http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/mrm/met.html

>

> $20 / 5 LBS

> http://www.vitacost.com/MRM-Whey-Pumped-Rich-Vanilla

>

> -- MRM Bodybuilder Whey - $36 shipped

> (1 gram of L-Glutamine per serving)

> Flavorings - Stevia, Carrageenan

> 39 Servings @ 18 Grams

> 78 Servings @ 9 Grams

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dairy cows are grass-fed. Some also get hay in the winter. This is pretty much a

given. Grain finishing is used for beef cattle.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Here's my new Cold-Processed/Undenatured Whey comparison List and prices. Most

don't use Grassfed Cows, two do though. If they did I'm sure they would

advertise it. Added some info and one brand since last time. :-) I haven't read

the Mercola article..always learning.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I use Bluebonnet Whey Protein Isolate, a little expensive, but I am happy

with it.

http://www.bluebonnetnutrition.com/product/41/100%25_Natural_Whey_Protein_Is

olate_Powder

Best regards,

Nerio DeLeon

neriodeleon@...

[Guest guest]

Nerio DeLeon wrote:

< ....a little expensive, but I am happy with it . >

What is Immunocal?

Immunocal is an all-natural non-prescription health product available

worldwide. This special protein holds many national and international

patents and is medically recognized in the Physicians’ Desk Reference (“PDR”

U.S.A.) and Compendium of Pharmaceutical Specialties (“CPS” Canada). It has

undergone over 30 years of research and has been taken safely and

effectively by millions of individuals. Immunocal is also called Humanized

Milk Serum, or HMS-90 in Canada.

Immunocal Information

http://www.whatisimmunocal.com/immunocal.htm

The Nutritional Values of the Ten Multi Grains:

The Ten Multi Grains Combo comprises a mixture of 5 types of coarse

rice,namely brown rice, wild rice, amaranth, red crice, Kelantan red rice as

well as 5 types of grains :

Barley

Buckwheat

Oat groat

Millet

Quinoa

Recent scientific analysis shows that the Ten Multi Grains consists of more

than one hundred types of nutrients which are beneficial to our overall

health. These are

Vit A

Bcomplex : B1 B2 B6 B9 B12

Vit C

Vit D

Vit E

Vit K

Minerals: Calcium Iron

Magnesium Potassium

Trace eledments : Zinc Copper

Germanium.

It also contains anti-oxidants,high level of cellulose, amino acids etc.

With regards

Lew

On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Nerio DeLeon <nerio@...> wrote:

>

>

> I use Bluebonnet Whey Protein Isolate, a little expensive, but I am happy

> with it.

>

>

> http://www.bluebonnetnutrition.com/product/41/100%25_Natural_Whey_Protein_Is

> olate_Powder

>

> Best regards,

> Nerio DeLeon

> neriodeleon@...

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting that the Bluebonnet page says that Isolates are about 150%

higher in " biological value " than either whole (raw?) eggs or whey

concentrate. Anyone have a clue what " biological value " means?

Also interesting is that Mercola recently said that why concentrate is

the way to go which would be contradicted by the above. I am not

surprised, because his whey " snacks " are said to only contain the

concentrates, so this is likely a business decision.

>I use Bluebonnet Whey Protein Isolate, a little expensive, but I am happy

with it.

http://www.bluebonnetnutrition.com/product/41/100%25_Natural_Whey_Protein_Is

<http://www.bluebonnetnutrition.com/product/41/100%25_Natural_Whey_Protein_Is>

olate_Powder<

[Guest guest]

Jim,

If you're going to be suspicious of Dr. Mercola's contention that whey

concentrate is more bioavailable just because his snacks contain it - then why

not be suspicious of Bluebonnet's contention that Isolates have more " biological

value " when isolates is what they sell? Just saying.

Personally, I trust Mercola on this one as he bases his beliefs on scientific

studies referenced in his article. And since he bases his conclusion on science,

doesn't it make sense that he would use what he deems best in his own products?

Btw, the whey protein concentrate I buy from Swanson's was originally an Ori

Hofmekler product - grass fed with the addition of Aminogen® (helps to digest

and assimilate proteins).

Dee

>

> Interesting that the Bluebonnet page says that Isolates are about 150%

> higher in " biological value " than either whole (raw?) eggs or whey

> concentrate. Anyone have a clue what " biological value " means?

>

> Also interesting is that Mercola recently said that why concentrate is

> the way to go which would be contradicted by the above. I am not

> surprised, because his whey " snacks " are said to only contain the

> concentrates, so this is likely a business decision.

>

> >I use Bluebonnet Whey Protein Isolate, a little expensive, but I am happy

> with it.

>

> http://www.bluebonnetnutrition.com/product/41/100%25_Natural_Whey_Protein_Is

> <http://www.bluebonnetnutrition.com/product/41/100%25_Natural_Whey_Protein_Is>

> olate_Powder<

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dee, " biological value " is a scale referring to the amount of digestion and

kidney urea loading of a protein.

On one hand whey protein isolate has the highest biological value of any

protein, about double that of lean beef because most of it is absorbed without

any digestion.

On the other hand your whey concentrate is packaged with digestive enzymes to

allow for its lower biological value, greater need for digestion, and more urea

production.

Urea production is the reason meat is called " net acidic " while whey is net

alkaline.

all good,

Duncan

> >

> > Interesting that the Bluebonnet page says that Isolates are about 150%

> > higher in " biological value " than either whole (raw?) eggs or whey

> > concentrate. Anyone have a clue what " biological value " means?

> >

[Guest guest]

Thank you, it sounds good.

From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Nerio DeLeon

Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 11:16 AM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re: Re: Good undenatured whey source

I use Bluebonnet Whey Protein Isolate, a little expensive, but I am happy

with it.

http://www.bluebonnetnutrition.com/product/41/100%25_Natural_Whey_Protein_Is

olate_Powder

Best regards,

Nerio DeLeon

neriodeleon@... <mailto:neriodeleon%40att.net>

[Guest guest]

Duncan,

According to Dr. Mercola:

" All whey protein isolates are devoid of nutritional co-factors including

alkalizing minerals, naturally occurring vitamins, and lipids, which are lost in

the processing... This renders them deficient and overly acidifying. Unlike

whole protein food concentrates which does not acidify your body due to it's

alkalinizing minerals, whey protein isolate are over acidifying. 

Whey isolate can be a serious liability. & #8232; & #8232;If chronically consumed in

large amounts (such as with bodybuilders or athletes) without alkalizing foods,

it can acidify your body and over time may lead to metabolic acidosis with

consequences that include waste of muscle and bone tissues, total metabolic shut

down, and increased vulnerability to degenerative disease.

Many cheap whey protein isolates are produced from acid cheese; they're

byproducts of acid processing, which is a cheap way to separate whey from the

curd. Most of these whey products are rated below pet foods because of the

inferior quality of the protein, which is actually more of a nitrogen waste

product than one that will produce health benefits that are mentioned in the

featured study.

Additionally once the fat has been removed from whey protein isolate, you lose

some of the most important components of its immunological properties, such as

phospholipids, phosphatidylserine and CLA. All of the IgG immunoglobulins, which

are an excellent source of glutamine and glutamylcysteine, are also bound to the

fat globule, and therefore lost in the processing of whey isolates. " end quote

As I said, I trust Dr. Mercola on this one.

Dee

> > >

> > > Interesting that the Bluebonnet page says that Isolates are about 150%

> > > higher in " biological value " than either whole (raw?) eggs or whey

> > > concentrate. Anyone have a clue what " biological value " means?

> > >

>

[Guest guest]

Dee, here's the short explanation: whey isolate is assimilated without producing

the acidic byproduct of digestion. The amount of digestion and the uric

acid/nitrogen produced is how biological value of any protein is calculated.

Whey isolate is simply absorbed and sent to the cells so it ranks the highest in

BV and the lowest acidity.

I think Mercola is not really making a point here except to rant about

deficiencies. I understand that he is against eating one thing " without

alkalizing foods " , but who does that anyway? Most of us wouldn't dream of a

veggie-less diet. You can use a whey concentrate if you like because it's

handled less and has more nutrients; the current product I have is a

concentrate/isolate blend, and I still eat milk fat, which is rich in the very

nutrients that Mercola correctly says are missing from the whey isolate.

all good,

Duncan

> > > >

> > > > Interesting that the Bluebonnet page says that Isolates are about 150%

> > > > higher in " biological value " than either whole (raw?) eggs or whey

> > > > concentrate. Anyone have a clue what " biological value " means?

> > > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I don¹t know anybody who takes large amounts of whey without a proper

corresponding diet to prevent over acidifying. Even myself, who hates

veggies, but eats them 5-7x's per week. I have never heard of that with

anyone I personally know.

Isolates are a purer protein as opposed to concentrate, taken for faster

assimilation and less lactose. As log as you don¹t buy the " cheap " ones. You

get quite a substantial amount of the components that a concentrate has. His

statement that " All of the IgG immunoglobulins, which are an excellent

source of glutamine and glutamylcysteine, are also bound to the fat globule,

and therefore lost in the processing of whey isolates. " end quote " is not

correct. Not all of them are lost, especially in good isolates

It took me a while to find an isolate that had the high components that

Bluebonnet has. And if I found one whose values were higher I would switch,

but not to a concentrate. I want a more cleaner, purer protein, so I can

put it to use faster.

Nerio

Best regards,

Nerio DeLeon

[Guest guest]

  Nerio DeLeon wrote:

 <...large amounts of whey without a proper

corresponding diet to prevent over acidifying >

       I take 1 teaspoonful ( 5 grams ) of Korean Bamboo Salt ( 9

roast  or 9R - in which the sea salt,   bamboo stems and earth  are

burnt in specially built furnaces, 9 times; each roasting for 8 hours)

dissolved in distilled water. The 9 Burnt Korean Bamboo Salt does not

make one thirsty and is alkaline.

Bamboo Salt

http://www.biogmp.com/product10.html

With regards

Lew

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 5:00 AM, Nerio DeLeon <nerio@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> I don¹t know anybody who takes large amounts of whey without a proper

> corresponding diet to prevent over acidifying. Even myself, who hates

> veggies, but eats them 5-7x's per week. I have never heard of that with

> anyone I personally know.

>

> Isolates are a purer protein as opposed to concentrate, taken for faster

> assimilation and less lactose. As log as you don¹t buy the " cheap " ones. You

> get quite a substantial amount of the components that a concentrate has. His

> statement that " All of the IgG immunoglobulins, which are an excellent

>

> source of glutamine and glutamylcysteine, are also bound to the fat globule,

> and therefore lost in the processing of whey isolates. " end quote " is not

> correct. Not all of them are lost, especially in good isolates

>

> It took me a while to find an isolate that had the high components that

> Bluebonnet has. And if I found one whose values were higher I would switch,

> but not to a concentrate. I want a more cleaner, purer protein, so I can

> put it to use faster.

>

> Nerio

>

> Best regards,

> Nerio DeLeon

>

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan, you continue to amaze me after all of these years...

>Posted by: " Duncan Crow " duncancrow@...

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duncancrow <duncancrow>

Tue May 24, 2011 9:02 am (PDT)

Dee, " biological value " is a scale referring to the amount of digestion

and kidney urea loading of a protein.

On one hand whey protein isolate has the highest biological value of any

protein, about double that of lean beef because most of it is absorbed

without any digestion.

On the other hand your whey concentrate is packaged with digestive

enzymes to allow for its lower biological value, greater need for

digestion, and more urea production.

Urea production is the reason meat is called " net acidic " while whey is

net alkaline.

all good,

Duncan<

[Guest guest]

....24,000 miles of rabbit holes and counting ...I had to know the work

because I coach people on life extension and serious illness reversal, and these

exact questions come up.

all good,

Duncan

>

>

> Duncan, you continue to amaze me after all of these years...

>

>

>