Re: Coconut Oil/MCT oil Effect on Cholesterol

September 16, 2011

On 2011-09-15 8:09 PM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> Actually having kids will. The fetus is, to the woman's body, alien

> and the immune system has to make adjustments to keep the fetus from

> aborting. Sometimes, it goes wrong and damned if you don't end up

> with a variety of autoimmune diseases. I have 3 myself...

> Hashimoto's, Mixed connective, and Raynauds.

Ridiculous. Reproduction is a natural part of the woman's bodily systems.

But as I said, yes, *if* the woman is *already* in a health deficient

state (hint: lack of observable *symptoms* does *not* mean that one is

'healthy') and/or with an already compromised immune system, then the

*stress* of pregnancy/childbirth can indeed *trigger* problems that may

not otherwise have occurred for a while (if ever).

Most people live in a state of perpetual 'treading water' or 'walking

the line' between disease and 'no symptoms'.

Extremely healthy people living on a traditional diet can go through

pregnancy while continuing to work up until the day of delivery, and

there are even stories of women working in the fields, stopping for a

couple of hours to give birth, then returning to work.

http://www.unassistedchildbirth.com/media/alone.html

September 16, 2011

All I basically took out of my nephew's diet was wheat/flour.. other then that,

no real restriction except the high sugar foods, but once you take wheat out,

that just leaves the candy. He even manages to eat fruits like banana and the

berries.

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From: <wilson19262003@...>

" Coconut Oil "

Sent: Fri, September 16, 2011 8:02:21 AM

Subject: Re: Coconut Oil/MCT oil Effect on Cholesterol

.....Thanks for the comments. I wonder if MCT will help further with the

VCO. Aren't they about the same stuff? As far as a low card diet, I try to watch

what I eat but haven't found a low carb diet I can stick with. I've tried adkins

but I couoldn't stick with it.

Thanks again

michael

From: Cody <lecody2001@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 7:12 PM

Subject: Re: Coconut Oil/MCT oil Effect on Cholesterol

Congrats Micheal, I was glad to find my levels had improved too and I was being

generous with the VCO then added the MCT. Go Saturated fat....... Have you

tried a low[er] carb diet for your diabetes? I have my nephew on one and got

his glucose down from the 200s to running between 80 and 120. He is a tough

case though.... hard to keep him on the straight and narrow with regard to

diet...

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From: <wilson19262003@...>

" Coconut Oil "

Sent: Thu, September 15, 2011 4:28:01 PM

Subject: Re: Coconut Oil/MCT oil Effect on Cholesterol

Hi Everyone......I have been taking coconut oil (3 tablespoons/day)for about 6

months and just had my labs drawn. Cholesterol (120)....... HDL (55) way up,

(LDL: 82) way down and triglycerides (84) way down. I'm convinced its the

coconut oil. I'm sold and my Doctor is very please with the results since I'm a

63 year old diabetic on an insulin pump.

From: Cody <lecody2001@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 2:42 PM

Subject: Re: Coconut Oil/MCT oil Effect on Cholesterol

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From: Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Thu, September 15, 2011 10:35:59 AM

Subject: Re: Coconut Oil/MCT oil Effect on Cholesterol

On 2011-09-15 10:16 AM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> Wow, my problems started, I was on no drugs what so ever...

Ok, so your problems were initially caused by poor lifestyle choices

(whether through ignorance or lack of caring is irrelevant).

Ok, possibly, personally I think it was having kids that did it.

> so how can drugs be causing the problems.

By making things *worse*/causing *new* problems.

> And now I am only on two and you claim those the are causing all my

> problems or were you referring to the accumulated effect?

Who knows? At this point I personally have very little to go on.

Ya, well I have had decades trying to figure this out so I doubt you could

anyway.

> And the muscle spasm, not caused by any of the things you

> mentioned... tried them all, was tested for all those mineral levels

> and tried numerous alternatives including supplementation of the

> minerals in question .... didn't help a bit.

Can't tell you how many times I've heard that, only to find out the

tests weren't done right, or were the wrong ones, or you used an

inferior/incorrect product to try to remedy the problem, etc...

The usual excuse...blame the victim.

Could it be possible that I am smart enough to get the best supplements?

By the way, did you know that one company manufactures 95% of the vitamin E in

the USA?

> No comment about the fact you might be healthy in spite of everything

> you do? My grandma was...

Yes, it is possible for good genes to let your body take a huge amount

of punishment before it starts to degrade, but that doesn't mean it will

last forever. The damage will be passed on to the children, and the

genetic line will get weaker and weaker with each generation.

I have heard that one too... seriously not true. That is what sex is for. To

weed out the damaged genes. True, doesn't always work, but families don't weaken

over generations unless there is some serious inbreeding.

> Nor any comment on the fact you could, in spite of everything you do,

> still get cancer or some other deadly disease?

The only time this would be true is if you were exposed to an unnatural

level of some highly toxic substance (radiation? chemicals?)...

Doesn't take much to damage living organism so I doubt it takes much to damage

DNA.

Otherwise, disease can only manifest itself if given the opportunity

through long term poor lifestyle choices - and eating the S.A.D is the

biggest one, followed by ignorance (eating lots of soy thinking it is

healthy, etc)...

> I am still, not convinced about the need for mega doses of

> anything... including vitamin C.... and if you must it should only be

> for a short period of time.

We have looked in the mirror and discovered our worst enemy - ourself.

Fine but mostly your feeding bacteria and viruses and assorted parasites, I

suppose there is some good in that. Keeps them happy.

Your lack of being convinced doesn't make it any less true, just like

the person convinced they can fly will still go splat if they jump off a

cliff.

> I do agree that foods these day have less nutrients in them but we

> now have the ability to eat fruits and veggies all year long so it

> could make up for it.

Not a chance.

And you know this how?

> MSM isn't a miracle cure?... thought it did good things for

> muscles?... so much crap on the internet it is hard to figure out

> what is good reporting and what is just sales techniques.

Eh? It can work near miracles for certain problems (joints mainly, which

are *not* 'muscles'), but that doesn't mean it will do the same for

*everything*. Get a grip.

That's not what the dozens of websites I have read claim....

http://www.msm-info.com/

This one claims MSM is a muscle relaxant.. ergo, should it not ease muscle

spasms? Even a little bit? If not, it should cure the raynaud's...as it

dialates blood vessels... let you know this winter...

The types of pain which has been treated successfully with MSM include:

* Personal injury due to accidents, burns, etc.

* Osteoarthritis and rheumatoid arthritis

* Fibromyalgia

* Lower back pains

* Headaches, migraines

* Muscle aches

* Bursitis

* Tennis elbows and other local sprots injuries

* Carpal Syndrome

* Sclerosis;

* Whiplash

* RSI (Repititive Strain Injury);

* Scars due to burns, operations, accidents, etc.The way MSM impacts

pain is currently explained by the following mechanisms:

* MSM is a natural analgetic: it blocks the transfer of pain impulses

through nerve fibers (C-fibers).

* MSM blocks inflammations and inflammatory processes. MSM enhances

the activity of cortisol, a natural anti-inflammatory hormone produced

by the body.

* MSM improves the permeability of cell membranes. This improves the

uptake of nutrients and many vitamins and the elimination of waste

products and excess cellular fluids.

* MSM dilates bloood vessels, enhancing the blood circulation. This,

too, helps to eliminate waste products from the body, which speeds up

healing.

* MSM is a muscle relaxant. This is an important and often overlooked

benefit of MSM. Many chronic pains are aggrevated by chronic muscle

tension in the body.

* MSM aids the natural defense mechanisms in the body by regulating

the prostaglandin metabolism, and regulates the formation of

anitbodies and immune complexes.

MSM slows down and restores crosslinking in collagen. Crosslinking in

collagen is a natural process in scar formation, causing hard and often

painful scar tissues. Particularly in the case of burn scars, in which

large surface areas may be affected, this may lead to chronic pain. MSM

heals scar tissue which makes the skin more flexible. Dramatic examples

are known of people who have treated burn scars with a MSM ointment and

have seen their scars almost disappear and have eliminated associated

pains.

> And now Pharma has adopted the same techniques to sell their drugs

> too.

Methinks you have it backwards... it is the 'natural health industry'

that has adopted *some* of the tactics (marketing hype) of the drug

companies (who have been engaging in far worse that marketing hype, like

terrorist tactics ever since the dawn of the AMA).

Well it used to be Pharma could not advertise... but there were plenty of

hucksters trying to sell miracle cures for everything, so I think I have it

right. People have been selling the latest tonic for just about forever.

I applaud you faith in the " natural health industry " and your acknowledgement

that it is an industry and would not be as big as it is if not for modern

medicine and researchers that managed to come up with ways to mass manufacture

all the stuff you buy. So its starting to be difficult to even tell where one

ends and the other begins.

I just choose to walk the border between modern medicine and old medicine.

Honestly, do you really think you need all that resveratrol? [just as an

example, not claiming you take it, please substitute it for something you do

take]

September 16, 2011

You cannot be pleased...

One thing for sure though... no matter how " healthy " you eat, no matter how

many supplements you take, you still, in the end get to die.....

And you know nothing about the immune system.

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From: Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Fri, September 16, 2011 8:21:56 AM

Subject: Re: Coconut Oil/MCT oil Effect on Cholesterol

On 2011-09-15 8:09 PM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> Actually having kids will. The fetus is, to the woman's body, alien

> and the immune system has to make adjustments to keep the fetus from

> aborting. Sometimes, it goes wrong and damned if you don't end up

> with a variety of autoimmune diseases. I have 3 myself...

> Hashimoto's, Mixed connective, and Raynauds.

Ridiculous. Reproduction is a natural part of the woman's bodily systems.

But as I said, yes, *if* the woman is *already* in a health deficient

state (hint: lack of observable *symptoms* does *not* mean that one is

'healthy') and/or with an already compromised immune system, then the

*stress* of pregnancy/childbirth can indeed *trigger* problems that may

not otherwise have occurred for a while (if ever).

Most people live in a state of perpetual 'treading water' or 'walking

the line' between disease and 'no symptoms'.

Extremely healthy people living on a traditional diet can go through

pregnancy while continuing to work up until the day of delivery, and

there are even stories of women working in the fields, stopping for a

couple of hours to give birth, then returning to work.

http://www.unassistedchildbirth.com/media/alone.html

September 16, 2011

then again, they say having kids before age of 30 helps to prevent breast

cancer.

I think the key here is as you said, what her state is before the stress of

childbirth is put on her body. I have one child, and due to not knowing I was

celiac or adrenal fatigued before pregnancy, i suffered from severe nausea and

had to be hospitalized once due to dehydration and take a medication they give

cancer patients for 7 months just to keep from vomiting all the time. This

caused severe constipation which didn't help me one bit. After giving birth, and

w/ stress of single parenthood, my adrenals further deteriorated and eventually

burned out and I have hypothyroid. : )

But, now I know about the celiac issue and am on the road to healing.

Despite what gets thrown at it, the human body was also created with an amazing

capacity to heal - the trick is figuring out what's wrong and what to give it so

it can heal!

Liz

> >>> Wow, my problems started, I was on no drugs what so ever...

>

> >> Ok, so your problems were initially caused by poor lifestyle

> >> choices (whether through ignorance or lack of caring is

> >> irrelevant).

>

> > Ok, possibly, personally I think it was having kids that did it.

>

> Having kids won't *cause* health problems (aside from the occasional act

> of god like a breech birth, etc), but because it is so stressful on the

> body's systems, it can be a *trigger* - ie, in the vein of 'the straw

> that broke the camels back'.

>

> >>> so how can drugs be causing the problems.

>

> >> By making things *worse*/causing *new* problems.

>

> >>> And now I am only on two and you claim those the are causing all

> >>> my problems or were you referring to the accumulated effect?

>

> >> Who knows? At this point I personally have very little to go on.

>

> > Ya, well I have had decades trying to figure this out so I doubt you

> > could anyway.

>

> You might be surprised...

>

> >>> And the muscle spasm, not caused by any of the things you

> >>> mentioned... tried them all, was tested for all those mineral

> >>> levels and tried numerous alternatives including supplementation

> >>> of the minerals in question .... didn't help a bit.

>

> >> Can't tell you how many times I've heard that, only to find out

> >> the tests weren't done right, or were the wrong ones, or you used

> >> an inferior/incorrect product to try to remedy the problem, etc...

>

> > The usual excuse...blame the victim.

>

> Sometimes (maybe more often than most people would like to believe) the

> victim *is* to blame.

>

> It is called self-accountability/responsibility.

>

> > Could it be possible that I am smart enough to get the best

> > supplements?

>

> Maybe, but you're not smart enough to say no to all of the drugs that

> you probably never needed, so maybe not... I know I'm not always smart

> enough to find the best the first time around.

>

> > By the way, did you know that one company manufactures 95% of the

> > vitamin E in the USA?

>

> I don't and wouldn't take 'vitamin e'. In fact I hardly ever take

> isolated 'vitamins' or 'mineral' supplements. I prefer to get them in

> whole food/superfood versions...

>

> Some exceptions are niacin, vitamin c, d, ubiquinol, lithium (orotate),

> and some of the amino acids (currently taking the somalife gHP blend),

> and maybe some of the nootropics...

>

> >>> No comment about the fact you might be healthy in spite of

> >>> everything you do? My grandma was...

>

> >> Yes, it is possible for good genes to let your body take a huge

> >> amount of punishment before it starts to degrade, but that doesn't

> >> mean it will last forever. The damage will be passed on to the

> >> children, and the genetic line will get weaker and weaker with each

> >> generation.

>

> > I have heard that one too... seriously not true. That is what sex is

> > for. To weed out the damaged genes. True, doesn't always work, but

> > families don't weaken over generations unless there is some serious

> > inbreeding.

>

> Well, you obviously haven't done your homework.

>

> There have been tests done verifying this (yes, animal tests, rats

> and/or monkeys mainly), but it is really just plain common sense. When

> fed an intentionally poor diet lacking certain vitamins and minerals,

> the rats were then bred with rats that were healthy, each generation was

> a little weaker, and exhibited 'old age' symptoms earlier than the

> preceding generation, and after about 6 generations, their offspring

> were all totally sterile, thus ending the experiment.

>

> It happened *much* sooner (I think it was 3 generations) when they were

> bred with other rats on the poor diet, which is probably closer to the

> reality in this country (healthy people tend to not be attracted to

> unhealthy people).

>

> No, I don't have any study references handy, but I read some of them a

> long time ago, and didn't know I might be needing them someday to

> educate .

>

> It is a fact, not a theory.

>

> >>> I do agree that foods these day have less nutrients in them but

> >>> we now have the ability to eat fruits and veggies all year long

> >>> so it could make up for it.

>

> >> Not a chance.

>

> > And you know this how?

>

> Lots of reading, a little applied common sense.

>

> They don't just have a *little* less nutrients, they have a *lot* less -

> in many cases, virtually zero, in most, as much as 80-90% less. There is

> absolutely no way eating a little more could possibly even come *close*

> to making up the difference.

>

> >>> MSM isn't a miracle cure?... thought it did good things for

> >>> muscles?... so much crap on the internet it is hard to figure

> >>> out what is good reporting and what is just sales techniques.

>

> >> Eh? It can work near miracles for certain problems (joints mainly,

> >> which are *not* 'muscles'), but that doesn't mean it will do the

> >> same for *everything*. Get a grip.

>

> > That's not what the dozens of websites I have read claim....

> > http://www.msm-info.com/

> > This one claims MSM is a muscle relaxant.. ergo, should it not ease muscle

> > spasms? Even a little bit?

>

> Use your noggin ... it depends on what is *causing* the spasms. If

> the spasms are caused by not enough potassium, how is taking MSM - which

> is obviously not nor does it contain any potassium - going to cure it?

>

> > If not, it should cure the raynaud's... as it dialates blood

> > vessels... let you know this winter...

>

> No wonder you have trouble with natural remedies... you make all kinds

> of off the wall assumptions after reading a few web pages, and when

> something doesn't work the way you think it should work based on a

> flawed understanding of the science, you loudly proclaim " It Doesn't

> Work! " ...

>

> Incidentally, a better vasodilator for surface capillaries is niacin

> (not niacinimide)... start with about 250mg, and if you don't get a huge

> flush (almost like an itchy sunburn), slowly start working your way up

> until you get to about 1.5grams per day (it may take a while to get

> there, just slowly start increasing the dosage every week or so). The

> flush is caused by the release of histamine from the skin cells, and if

> you stop taking niacin after you've built up to a larger dose, you'll

> have to start over agin, because your histamine levels will be back up.

>

> Niacin is a very powerful tool, and I actually enjoy the flush, but some

> really don't like it.

>

> http://www.doctoryourself.com/hoffer_cardio.html

>

> >>> And now Pharma has adopted the same techniques to sell their

> >>> drugs too.

>

> >> Methinks you have it backwards... it is the 'natural health

> >> industry' that has adopted *some* of the tactics (marketing hype)

> >> of the drug companies (who have been engaging in far worse that

> >> marketing hype, like terrorist tactics ever since the dawn of the

> >> AMA).

>

> > Well it used to be Pharma could not advertise... but there were

> > plenty of hucksters trying to sell miracle cures for everything, so

> > I think I have it right. People have been selling the latest tonic

> > for just about forever.

>

> No, I think you still have it wrong - it's just that the hucksters

> selling snake oil (hey, some snake oils were actually very health

> promoting) simply switched to selling drugs.

>

> Do you know what the term 'witch' as used in the Bible most closely

> translates to today? 'Doctor'.

>

> > I applaud you faith in the " natural health industry "

>

> Sorry, I don't have faith in anything except my ability to discern - and

> yes, of course I've been wrong about many things, many times, but I'm

> not afraid to admit it when it happens.

>

> > I just choose to walk the border between modern medicine and old

> > medicine. Honestly, do you really think you need all that

> > resveratrol? [just as an example, not claiming you take it, please

> > substitute it for something you do take]

>

> Yes - mega dosing a few days on vitamin c will prevent most any kind of

> cold or flu (this is what I immediately start doing when it is 'going

> around the office', and I *never* get sick, and everyone else *always*

> does).

>

September 16, 2011

" Despite what gets thrown at it, the human body was also created with an

amazing capacity to heal - the trick is figuring out what's wrong and what to

give it so it can heal! "

That is the trick, finding out what is wrong... I have yet to see a physician

that hasn't ended up with conclusion that I am a mystery. Just heard it again

this morning...

I end up just trying to deal with the symptoms. Oh I have a few dx's and once I

have them I can generally deal with the symptoms and I do try to stay as natural

as possible, even so, its not always possible, no matter what those that think

alternative health can handle all but severe trauma and rampant infections

think.

Oh T, you'll be pleased to know I will probably have to stop the plaquenil...

so come up with something for severe muscle spasms/cramps, especially the ones

in my dominant hand. Sometimes, just trying to hold a pen will set them off...

and I kid you not, the pain is excruciating...

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From: lizz7711 <lizz7711@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Fri, September 16, 2011 11:08:14 AM