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I have mixed the MCT oil with food.  You cannot taste it and as for me, I

didn't

notice any great improvements taking coco oil [neither just cooking with it or

taking by the spoonfull ] until I added the MCT.  I don't drink milk, lactose

intolerant, but have no problem with cream/ in coffee and tea and the

occasional

bowl of cereal.  Can't afford grass fed beef, but I do eat organic range free

eggs.  Love coconut cream and if your a chocoholic, I recommend Artisana Cacao

Bliss [although you can make it from the coco cream and raw cacao yourself].  I

get mine at iHerb.com.  Its awesome and low sugar if that is a concern to

you. 

Artisanas coconut cream is my favorite so far. 

Started with the CO about 4 years ago, wandering around the internet looking for

a diet that might help me feel better.  Moved to North Carolina 3 years ago

from

a local vege desert [living in texas too close to the refineries, bad toxic]

 and am totally enjoying locally grown fresh veggies and fruits in season. 

Tend

to change the diet in the winter because the store bought veggies in winter

taste awful. 

I may be fat intolerant as far as LCTs go and my health is such that the MCT

oil, being more concentrated, helps better than sticking to coco oil and butter.

And the IBS symtoms have finally improved.   Also need to loose weight and even

Atkins didn't work for me, but the MCTs seem to be allowing weight loss.

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From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Tue, July 19, 2011 11:13:59 AM

Subject: Re: Start Talking about Coconut Oil Then

 

My main fat intake is gratefully derived from nature's only obligatory food for

mammals, milk. The cows that make my milk are grass fed. I cook mainly with

butter and bacon fat and I take cream AND coconut cream on my cranberry trail

mix or other nut and seed mix. I use only whipping cream in my coffee. My food

oil also includes extra virgin olive oil.

I started using coconut oil in 2002 before I met my second wife, following an

oils search precipitated by a wholesale salesman's enthusiasm for rice bran oil

over other cooking oils. I learned from my research that it's healthy to use

some coconut oil as part of your good fats but I'm not about to make it my main

oil over butter. My wife doesn't prefer the flavour and I have not got around to

trying flavourless MCT oil or RBD coconut oil in our food.

As to diet, we eat a lot of meat and veggies, and the reduced carb diet allows

us to cheat and binge periodically with a carb snack, commercial burger, bottle

of cider or some other junky starch- or sugar-rich food.

all good,

Duncan

> > > Obama is almost as far from being a communist /socialist/ Progressive

> > > as Ron is from being a Liberal.

> >

> > One really shouldn't speak about that of which they are ignorant.

> >

> > Ron is a pure liberal, in the classical/Jeffersonian sense.

> >

> > Obama is a pure, unadulterated communist/socialist, and if you disagree,

> > you're a moron.

> >

> > > Obama leans to the right

> >

> > Rotflmao!

> >

> > > and congress is forcing him even farther right.

> >

> > Because of the grass-roots/teaparty movement started by Ron (not

> > the now misappropriated/commandeered bogus movement that the talking

> > heads now refer to as the teaparty movement).

> >

>

>

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I have mixed the MCT oil with food.  You cannot taste it and as for me, I

didn't

notice any great improvements taking coco oil [neither just cooking with it or

taking by the spoonfull ] until I added the MCT.  I don't drink milk, lactose

intolerant, but have no problem with cream/ in coffee and tea and the

occasional

bowl of cereal.  Can't afford grass fed beef, but I do eat organic range free

eggs.  Love coconut cream and if your a chocoholic, I recommend Artisana Cacao

Bliss [although you can make it from the coco cream and raw cacao yourself].  I

get mine at iHerb.com.  Its awesome and low sugar if that is a concern to

you. 

Artisanas coconut cream is my favorite so far. 

Started with the CO about 4 years ago, wandering around the internet looking for

a diet that might help me feel better.  Moved to North Carolina 3 years ago

from

a local vege desert [living in texas too close to the refineries, bad toxic]

 and am totally enjoying locally grown fresh veggies and fruits in season. 

Tend

to change the diet in the winter because the store bought veggies in winter

taste awful. 

I may be fat intolerant as far as LCTs go and my health is such that the MCT

oil, being more concentrated, helps better than sticking to coco oil and butter.

And the IBS symtoms have finally improved.   Also need to loose weight and even

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I know everyone is different... but so far I have gotten quite a few ideas from

the couple of you that have responded and of course you have the Cacao

Bliss..  

Where do you get the coconut milk?  I have tried a few brands.  Most ok, but

nothing really great. 

Can't get into sauerkraut for more than an occasional bite, but I do like

beets. 

I am also experimenting on my nephew, he is 35 and has been a diabetic for 10

years or so and has never really controlled it or had a clue how to eat.. 

He is amazed at how good he is feeling and how good food can taste and its only

been about 2 weeks. And his sugar levels were coming down until he ate crap the

last two days and check his glucose this am.  He was very disappointed and

volunteered to have only one " free meal " every two weeks instead of every week.

We shall see...

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From: Dolores <dgk@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Tue, July 19, 2011 1:27:45 PM

Subject: Re: Start Talking about Coconut Oil Then

 

Hi ,

We're all different so I'm not sure that anything is a cure-all that will work

for everyone. For me coconut oil has helped with both low thyroid and weight

loss/maintenance. It does give me more energy and warmth. I don't seem to need a

HUGE amount, however. I cook with it, put a tsp. in my coffee and tea, and like

it drizzled over veggies. I also use it for skin care (great for removing

make-up) and it makes a great vaginal lubricant :-). I also use some coconut

cream in hot chocolate and have lately been using the SO-Delicious Coconut Milk

(the original with only 50 calories a cup and 0 sugars).

I also use VOO in salads and a little organic butter on the occasional piece of

rye bread. I pretty much adhere to a low carb diet, however, with lots of raw

cheese (I'm a cheeseaholic :-), sauerkraut, kiminchi, sour cream, yogurt, whey

protein (concentrate) shakes, eggs, chicken, tilapia, pork chops, wild Alaskan

canned salmon, and make a great chili with grass fed ground beef (can't afford

the steaks!) - plus lots of veggies and a little fruit. My son is in the

processes of planning a garden so we can grow our own veggies as I make a really

yummy gazpacho (cold soup w/tomatoes, cucumber, onions, garlic, etc. plus a

great cold beet borscht. Beets are SO good for you:

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice & dbid=49

And thanks for the tip on the Artisana Cacao Bliss! I'll have to try that.

Best,

Dee

>

> I have mixed the MCT oil with food.  You cannot taste it and as for me, I

>didn't

>

> notice any great improvements taking coco oil [neither just cooking with it or

> taking by the spoonfull ] until I added the MCT.  I don't drink milk,

lactose

> intolerant, but have no problem with cream/ in coffee and tea and the

>occasional

>

> bowl of cereal.  Can't afford grass fed beef, but I do eat organic range

free

> eggs.  Love coconut cream and if your a chocoholic, I recommend Artisana

Cacao

>

> Bliss [although you can make it from the coco cream and raw cacao

yourself]. 

>I

>

> get mine at iHerb.com.  Its awesome and low sugar if that is a concern to

>you. 

>

> Artisanas coconut cream is my favorite so far. 

>

>

> Started with the CO about 4 years ago, wandering around the internet looking

>for

>

> a diet that might help me feel better.  Moved to North Carolina 3 years ago

>from

>

> a local vege desert [living in texas too close to the refineries, bad

toxic]

>  and am totally enjoying locally grown fresh veggies and fruits in

season. 

>Tend

>

> to change the diet in the winter because the store bought veggies in winter

> taste awful. 

>

>

> I may be fat intolerant as far as LCTs go and my health is such that the MCT

> oil, being more concentrated, helps better than sticking to coco oil and

>butter.

>

> And the IBS symtoms have finally improved.   Also need to loose weight and

>even

>

> Atkins didn't work for me, but the MCTs seem to be allowing weight loss.

>

>

>

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Duncan,

I am currently trying a lifestyle dietary change for 45 days (Fat Wars). My

intake is 40% carbs, 30% fat and 30% protein. The carb intake is (I am

trying) to consist of just veggies. No grains, etc. it is difficult for me

personally, because I dislike most veggies.

My question is, should I just decrease the carb intake, and increase fat and

protein?

I went off the deep end last year, and have much weight to lose.

Thanks, as alwaysŠ

Nerio

My main fat intake is gratefully derived from nature's only obligatory food

for mammals, milk. The cows that make my milk are grass fed. I cook mainly

with butter and bacon fat and I take cream AND coconut cream on my cranberry

trail mix or other nut and seed mix. I use only whipping cream in my coffee.

My food oil also includes extra virgin olive oil.

As to diet, we eat a lot of meat and veggies, and the reduced carb diet

allows us to cheat and binge periodically with a carb snack, commercial

burger, bottle of cider or some other junky starch- or sugar-rich food.

all good,

Duncan

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On 2011-07-19 2:50 PM, Nerio DeLeon wrote:

> My question is, should I just decrease the carb intake, and increase fat and

> protein?

Yes - the less carbs, the better. Whole raw veggie juice (with all of

the fiber) is best if you're gonna eat veggies...

I finally found a blender that doesn't 'whip' lots of air into the

veggies (Ninja Kitchen System), but haven't done much with it yet as far

as veggies go yet, because I still have about 20lbs to go (lost a total

of about 60lbs so far doing the low/no carb thing,

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I think the optimal mix in my mind is a regime like this -

~60-80 net carbs per day, mostly from raw/lightly steamed veggies,

especially leafy ones, and maybe 1 serving of lower carb fruit like berries.

The remainder should be a mix of fat and protein, ideally about 50-60% of

your intake is fat, made up of good healthy saturated fat (heavy cream,

butter, VCO, bacon fat), and perhaps a bit mono unsaturated (VOO),

occassionally supplemented with some unroasted nuts and seeds. The

remainder of your diet should be good protein like eggs, and meat, fish, as

raw as can stand. Very few, if any grains, and the occasional few squares

of Green and Blacks 85% cocoa bar.

If you're not exercising you would probably want to decrease fat intake a

little since it's so caloric. Your body uses quite a bit of energy itself to

digest protein so a bit higher intake over fat would be ok if you can't burn

all the fat calories.

Ultimate ratio (at least for me) is around 50-70% fat, 10-20% veggies, the

rest protein, and eat when hungry, not on a time schedule.

Mix in whey protein, some inulin and a few apple cidar vinegar cocktails a

day, maybe some MSM, get plenty of rest, adequate sun and you'll likely be

well on your way to optimal health.

I would also suggest 2-3 high intensity, short duration (30 minute) work

outs a week. Intensity is relative, so what ever you can handle. Try to

include some sprinting for 30 seconds at a crack, 5-10 times for one of

those workouts. If the intensity isn't there you'll likely not generate any

growth hormone, which will help shed pounds too.

You'll drop pounds quickly, and will ultimately be healthier long term.

That's my 2 cents, and my lifestyle.

yg

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Nerio DeLeon <nerio@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Duncan,

>

> I am currently trying a lifestyle dietary change for 45 days (Fat Wars). My

> intake is 40% carbs, 30% fat and 30% protein. The carb intake is (I am

> trying) to consist of just veggies. No grains, etc. it is difficult for me

> personally, because I dislike most veggies.

>

> My question is, should I just decrease the carb intake, and increase fat

> and

> protein?

>

> I went off the deep end last year, and have much weight to lose.

>

> Thanks, as alwaysÅ 

>

> Nerio

>

>

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Wow, how long did it take you to lose 60lbs? My goal was to lose 50lbs, and

I have another 30lbs to go.

Best regards,

Nerio DeLeon

I still have about 20lbs to go (lost a total

of about 60lbs so far doing the low/no carb thing,

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Thanks yg.

I will tinker with my ratios. And I will stick with the brocolli, snow peas

and asparagus as my veggies. I also have one or two shakes a day with

berries and whey. I miss the grains though.

I am also exercising again, it seems to be helping. I have never let myself

go like this. I feel good, just don¹t like being so overweight, it cant be

healthy. Unemployment, bad dietary choices and alcohol are the culprits.

Thanks again ygŠ

Nerio

I think the optimal mix in my mind is a regime like this -

~60-80 net carbs per day, mostly from raw/lightly steamed veggies,

especially leafy ones, and maybe 1 serving of lower carb fruit like berries.

The remainder should be a mix of fat and protein, ideally about 50-60% of

your intake is fat, made up of good healthy saturated fat (heavy cream,

butter, VCO, bacon fat), and perhaps a bit mono unsaturated (VOO),

occassionally supplemented with some unroasted nuts and seeds. The

remainder of your diet should be good protein like eggs, and meat, fish, as

raw as can stand. Very few, if any grains, and the occasional few squares

of Green and Blacks 85% cocoa bar.

If you're not exercising you would probably want to decrease fat intake a

little since it's so caloric. Your body uses quite a bit of energy itself to

digest protein so a bit higher intake over fat would be ok if you can't burn

all the fat calories.

Ultimate ratio (at least for me) is around 50-70% fat, 10-20% veggies, the

rest protein, and eat when hungry, not on a time schedule.

Mix in whey protein, some inulin and a few apple cidar vinegar cocktails a

day, maybe some MSM, get plenty of rest, adequate sun and you'll likely be

well on your way to optimal health.

I would also suggest 2-3 high intensity, short duration (30 minute) work

outs a week. Intensity is relative, so what ever you can handle. Try to

include some sprinting for 30 seconds at a crack, 5-10 times for one of

those workouts. If the intensity isn't there you'll likely not generate any

growth hormone, which will help shed pounds too.

You'll drop pounds quickly, and will ultimately be healthier long term.

That's my 2 cents, and my lifestyle.

yg

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I had to look up oil pulling.  I might give it a try.    Actually I gave it

a

try with the CO for 10 minutes.  Why would I want to do this?  I don't quite

get

the reasoning behind it.

However for cleaning teeth I have been using a 50/50 mix of bentonite clay and

baking soda and it got rid of all my plaque. Which is good because I would

rather have a root canal than get my teeth cleaned.  I can stand  Recently,

every once in a while I soak my tooth brush in listerine and then use my mix. 

It works well for me.

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From: Dolores <dgk@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Tue, July 19, 2011 3:21:23 PM

Subject: Re: Start Talking about Coconut Oil Then

 

Believe it or not I get it at Wallmart. They also have the kind with a bit more

sugar if you need it to be sweeter. However, I have been using the 0 sugar in my

whey protein shakes with 1/2 banana and some berries and it tastes yum. I also

add some greek yogurt to thicken it up a bit. My son (adult) also now uses it on

his cereal instead of milk so I'm very happy about that.

You seem to be doing very well with the MCT oil and what else you are doing

- and that's what really matters most. And I wish your nephew all the

best. It's not easy to change habits but I have found that making healthy foods

as tasty as possible and varying your meals instead of the same things day after

day is the key.

Oh, and I forgot to add that I also use the coconut oil for oil pulling. It

completely reversed a long standing gum disease.

Best,

Dee

> >

> > I have mixed the MCT oil with food.  You cannot taste it and as for

me, I

> >didn't

> >

> > notice any great improvements taking coco oil [neither just cooking with it

>or

>

>

> > taking by the spoonfull ] until I added the MCT.  I don't drink

milk,

>lactose

>

>

> > intolerant, but have no problem with cream/ in coffee and tea and

the

> >occasional

> >

> > bowl of cereal.  Can't afford grass fed beef, but I do eat organic

range

>free

>

>

> > eggs.  Love coconut cream and if your a chocoholic, I recommend

Artisana

>Cacao

>

> >

> > Bliss [although you can make it from the coco cream and raw cacao

>yourself]. 

>

> >I

> >

> > get mine at iHerb.com.  Its awesome and low sugar if that is a

concern to

> >you. 

> >

> > Artisanas coconut cream is my favorite so far. 

> >

> >

> > Started with the CO about 4 years ago, wandering around the internet looking

> >for

> >

> > a diet that might help me feel better.  Moved to North Carolina 3

years

>ago

>

> >from

> >

> > a local vege desert [living in texas too close to the refineries,

bad

>toxic]

>

> >  and am totally enjoying locally grown fresh veggies and

fruits in

>season. 

>

> >Tend

> >

> > to change the diet in the winter because the store bought veggies in winter

> > taste awful. 

> >

> >

> > I may be fat intolerant as far as LCTs go and my health is such that the MCT

> > oil, being more concentrated, helps better than sticking to coco oil and

> >butter.

> >

> > And the IBS symtoms have finally improved.   Also need to loose

weight and

>

> >even

> >

> > Atkins didn't work for me, but the MCTs seem to be allowing weight loss.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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On 2011-07-19 3:53 PM, Nerio DeLeon wrote:

> Wow, how long did it take you to lose 60lbs? My goal was to lose 50lbs, and

> I have another 30lbs to go.

Its been about 4 months...

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I have to check wal mart for that brand of coco milk.

Thanks

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From: Dolores <dgk@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Tue, July 19, 2011 3:21:23 PM

Subject: Re: Start Talking about Coconut Oil Then

 

Believe it or not I get it at Wallmart. They also have the kind with a bit more

sugar if you need it to be sweeter. However, I have been using the 0 sugar in my

whey protein shakes with 1/2 banana and some berries and it tastes yum. I also

add some greek yogurt to thicken it up a bit. My son (adult) also now uses it on

his cereal instead of milk so I'm very happy about that.

You seem to be doing very well with the MCT oil and what else you are doing

- and that's what really matters most. And I wish your nephew all the

best. It's not easy to change habits but I have found that making healthy foods

as tasty as possible and varying your meals instead of the same things day after

day is the key.

Oh, and I forgot to add that I also use the coconut oil for oil pulling. It

completely reversed a long standing gum disease.

Best,

Dee

> >

> > I have mixed the MCT oil with food.  You cannot taste it and as for

me, I

> >didn't

> >

> > notice any great improvements taking coco oil [neither just cooking with it

>or

>

>

> > taking by the spoonfull ] until I added the MCT.  I don't drink

milk,

>lactose

>

>

> > intolerant, but have no problem with cream/ in coffee and tea and

the

> >occasional

> >

> > bowl of cereal.  Can't afford grass fed beef, but I do eat organic

range

>free

>

>

> > eggs.  Love coconut cream and if your a chocoholic, I recommend

Artisana

>Cacao

>

> >

> > Bliss [although you can make it from the coco cream and raw cacao

>yourself]. 

>

> >I

> >

> > get mine at iHerb.com.  Its awesome and low sugar if that is a

concern to

> >you. 

> >

> > Artisanas coconut cream is my favorite so far. 

> >

> >

> > Started with the CO about 4 years ago, wandering around the internet looking

> >for

> >

> > a diet that might help me feel better.  Moved to North Carolina 3

years

>ago

>

> >from

> >

> > a local vege desert [living in texas too close to the refineries,

bad

>toxic]

>

> >  and am totally enjoying locally grown fresh veggies and

fruits in

>season. 

>

> >Tend

> >

> > to change the diet in the winter because the store bought veggies in winter

> > taste awful. 

> >

> >

> > I may be fat intolerant as far as LCTs go and my health is such that the MCT

> > oil, being more concentrated, helps better than sticking to coco oil and

> >butter.

> >

> > And the IBS symtoms have finally improved.   Also need to loose

weight and

>

> >even

> >

> > Atkins didn't work for me, but the MCTs seem to be allowing weight loss.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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I can tell you how to lose weight. Wear magnets. I found this out after about 5

weeks of wearing the set in the Wellness Kit that I bought at biomagscience.com.

I was not wearing them to lose weight, but that is sure what happened for me.

If you look that direction, I will share what various protocols gave me

for wearing them and why to guide you and help you understand how this was the

result.

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On 2011-07-19 3:53 PM, Nerio DeLeon wrote:

> Wow, how long did it take you to lose 60lbs? My goal was to lose 50lbs, and

> I have another 30lbs to go.

Its been about 4 months...

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Thanks Lyn,

I am going to check those out. My girlfriend gets bad migranes, and has some

other pain management issues too.

What did you use them for? Oh, and how much weight did you lose?

If I decide to go that way, can I contact you off list?

Nerio

I can tell you how to lose weight. Wear magnets. I found this out after

about 5 weeks of wearing the set in the Wellness Kit that I bought at

biomagscience.com. I was not wearing them to lose weight, but that is sure

what happened for me.

If you look that direction, I will share what various protocols gave

me for wearing them and why to guide you and help you understand how this

was the result.

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Thanks Lyn,

>I am going to check those out. My girlfriend gets bad migranes, and has some

pain management issues too.

>What did you use them for? Oh, and how much weight did you lose?

I had seen a Neurolink doctor from Dec to Feb for weekly treatments. Neurolink

is very similar to accupressure. Works to activate the brain/body part

connections to get the flow of energy going and get things working right that

are sluggish and out of balance. When I learned about 's magnets in March,

I was amazed to learn that they would do exactly the same thing. So I contacted

and asked him how to wear the magnets to do what I felt was the most

productive treatment I had received from my Neurolink doc. I wanted to boost my

immune system. He told me how to start, then I contacted him after three weeks

and he tweeked my positioning of them and in about 4 or 5 weeks, I dropped 8.5

lbs. That does not sound like much, but now I weigh 101.5. I have lost a total

of 14 lbs since I started to detox four years ago. I now understand that even

skinny people live in this world and are full of toxins that need to be flushed.

The magnets energized the

necessary elimination organs of my body so that my body could do just that with

what it does not need.

>If I decide to go that way, can I contact you off list?

Absolutely.  I am still learning the magnets myself, but I'll help as much as I

can.  is always willing to help, too. I have conversed with him a bunch

of times so far. He has his own group called magnettherapytoday and he

also checks in on the Crock_Lakhovsky group. He'll answer any questions on

either of those two groups. He advertises sales on those two groups, too.

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Straight Medium Chain triclycerides.    

http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-MCT-Oil-100-Pure-32-fl-oz-946-ml/13585?at=0

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Coconut Oil

Sent: Tue, July 19, 2011 11:47:48 AM

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Sorry what is MCT

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Re: Re: Start Talking about Coconut Oil Then

I have mixed the MCT oil with food.  You cannot taste it and as for me, I

didn't

notice any great improvements taking coco oil [neither just cooking with it or

taking by the spoonfull ] until I added the MCT.  I don't drink milk, lactose

intolerant, but have no problem with cream/ in coffee and tea and the

occasional

bowl of cereal.  Can't afford grass fed beef, but I do eat organic range free

eggs.  Love coconut cream and if your a chocoholic, I recommend Artisana Cacao

Bliss [although you can make it from the coco cream and raw cacao yourself].  I

get mine at iHerb.com.  Its awesome and low sugar if that is a concern to

you. 

Artisanas coconut cream is my favorite so far. 

Started with the CO about 4 years ago, wandering around the internet looking for

a diet that might help me feel better.  Moved to North Carolina 3 years ago

from

a local vege desert [living in texas too close to the refineries, bad toxic]

 and am totally enjoying locally grown fresh veggies and fruits in season. 

Tend

to change the diet in the winter because the store bought veggies in winter

taste awful. 

I may be fat intolerant as far as LCTs go and my health is such that the MCT

oil, being more concentrated, helps better than sticking to coco oil and butter.

And the IBS symtoms have finally improved.   Also need to loose weight and even

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In addition to what Dee might say for you, tell him to brush with peroxide every

day. I will let the peroxide soak in my mouth every day if possible. It will

kill bacteria, fungus, virus. This will clean his gums and teeth. Another thing

that absolutely works in a way that I never would have known unless I had tried

it is wearing magnets. I bought the Wellness Kit from Biomagscience.com and have

been wearing them different ways and his book tells you how to wear them for

lots of different ailments, including tooth issues. Call him and talk to him. He

is very willing to help people. Everyone should have a set of these magnets.

Don't let the dentist carve him up.

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From: claire <forzooks@...>

 

Dee, I am wondering if you could expand a bit on that. Our dentist wants to do

some expanded cleaning procedure on my husband because of gun disease and I'm

not sure about what we should do.

Thanks,

>

>

> Oh, and I forgot to add that I also use the coconut oil for oil pulling. It

completely reversed a long standing gum disease.

>

> Best,

> Dee

>

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