Guest guest Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 Dee Thanks for the veggie carb list which confirms that I'm following my plan to stay off insulin and maintain my blood sugar levels. I see that you believe Nattokinase and serrapeptase to be blood thinners thus complementing the effect of Warfarin, it is my understanding that Nattokinase and serrapeptase do not thin the blood but reduce inflammation in the circulatory system improving blood flow and circulation by reducing unhealthy fibrin in arteries and veins. The problem with that is that I have no idea how to judge or test for any improvements or the lack thereof! It is Sunday evening and my wrist is less sensitive now than it was yesterday or this morning which is very encouraging. Thanks 2011/5/15 Dolores <dgk@...> > Hi Karl, > > A couple of comments only as I'm not a doctor. First, regarding the lemons > - eating them whole is probably not a great idea because the acid is very > hard on tooth enamel. If you juice them in even one of those simple hand > juicers the juice will include almost all of the pulp as well. > > While it is said that cooked foods TEND to be more alkaline than raw foods > I have no idea as to what degree of difference that would be. Heating would > definitely destroy some of the vit C, but might enhance the PH so you could > try adding it to tea or such. > > As for taking BBAC with Warfarin I would ask you to please reconsider that > idea! When my partner was on Coumadin (well before we knew anything about > Nattokinase) he had to be monitored frequently lest he die from internal > bleeding from almost any kind of injury. As it turned out he died about a > week after a bad fall down some stairs. Too much blood thinning could be > disastrous. Since you don't have access to homeopathic Drs, I hope Dr. Lew > or Dr. Fife can help you out with this one. > > And good luck with the vinegar for your gout. I hope it helps. I would also > start adding more green veggies, cooked very lightly, and cut down on the > red meat if you are eating too much. There are greens that really don't add > many carbs. Here is a site that lists the carbs in veggies from zero to ten > plus: > > http://kitchen-parade-veggieventure.blogspot.com/2008/01/how-many-carbs-are-in-v\ egetables.html > > Best, > Dee > > > > > > Thank you Duncan, Dee and others who have offered advice and comments. > This > > thread has caused a lot of comment and as I am on the other side of the > > world I woke up this morning to a lot of useful information and opinions > to > > consider, but I am now way behind..... > > > > Yesterday afternoon(Saturday) I felt my wrist becoming tender. The last > > time this happened it got steadily worse to become a full blown attack > the > > day after only relieved by drugs five days after that. As this started > > Saturday and I can get no help until Monday at best and having read up > on > > some of the info kindly offered here I drank 2 x ½ glass of water with 2 > > tblsps apple cider vinegar and ½ tsp baking soda. This morning Sunday my > > wrist is no worse than it was yesterday - so I will continue with the ACV > + > > BS regime and see what happens. > > > > This leads me to ask that if it is not the juice of a lemon but the flesh > > that could be effective in combating uric acid then what could it be in > AVC > > that is purported to be similarly effective. Likewise it was mentioned > that > > cooking the lemon can reduce the 'lip puckering, eye streaming > consequence > > that eating lemons has on some people - me :-( But I have always > understood > > that any kind of heat preparation will always detract from the nutrients > > available in anything we may digest - consequently I don't understand how > > cooking lemon can be better than raw lemon juice especially if ACV is an > > acceptable or better substitute. > > > > Clearing up a couple of things. No, I am not though Karl (my real > > name) was often translated into as recently as the 70's. I have > > talked to Duncan before about Serrapeptase and Nattocinase when I first > had > > a blood clot and was ordinated Warfarin. Now having researched the > subject > > of enzymes I will definitely be ordering Block Buster All Clear and then > we > > will see. One of the reasons I have delayed is that I have been dithering > > with the concept of taking the enzyme therapy at the same time as > Warfarin > > but I think I have read enough to be able to go ahead in spite of > warnings I > > have found concerning combinations with Nattocinase. BBAC I understand > > though though contains a lower percentage of Nacotinase prioritating > > Serrapeptase as the primary active ingredient - correct me if I'm wrong. > > Also, these products are expensive, in fact the freight to me is as much > > again as the actual cost of the products and I will be paying whilst Big > > Pharma drugs cost me nothing. I am not in a position to order BBAC in > bulk > > to proportionately reduce the overall transport costs either as my > pension > > prohibits anything other than marginal extra outlay. > > > > Enzyme therapy products are just not available to me in Sweden and my > doctor > > and other doctors and health care workers I have spoken to have never > even > > heard of any treatments based on them. I have passed on all manner of > > information but I am banging my head against the proverbial brick wall. > > > > /G. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 Hi Duncan, I was under the impression that neither Serrapeptase nor Nttkonkinase thin the blood, but clean the blood disolving fibrin which causes clots forming. It has been said that Nattokinase and serrapeptase can be taken with Warfarin as they are both naturally occurring enzymes which will neither detract or amplify the effects of warfarin the purposeof which is basically to thin the blood so that new clots cannot be formed. The fear is that as Big Pharmas drugs don't dissipate any existing clots (the body itself does that in time it is hoped unless that process is speeded up with BBAC for example) though thin blood will prevent any more sticky platelets from adhering to existing clots making the situation worse. If BBAC does indeed dissolve and clear out the arteries and veins then blood thinners will not be needed. However, how can you tell when you are in fact clear/clean. At the moment I go for blood work every Monday to determine the coagulation quality of my blood (P-PK test) but that says nothing about existing or imminent clotting. If I give up Warfarin myself then I will be denied these tests. On the other hand on BBAC I probably won't need blood thinners but how will I know - that's the clincher, how will I know, in fact, how does your friend know his brother is responding well? I have looked everywhere here for undenatured whey and it is a term not recognized and again it is expensive stuff and I have yet to find a workable solution to that problem. Thanks. 2011/5/15 Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> > Increasing insulin sensitivity can relieve gout, and undenatured whey, > which should be a main supplement IMO for diabetics, increases insulin > sensitivity. Selenium, chromium, vanadium, manganese, and gymnema sylvestris > also encourage insulin sensitivity and the herb can also regrow damaged > islet cells in the pancreas. > > Baking soda is high sodium and high acid-producing; the carbon has to be > immediately exhaled as it absorbs, and that sodium also disposed of. > > Mobilizing the uric acid crystals to join the uric acid with calcium to > form urine should be explored. Vitamin D and calcium, and reducing purines, > is important. Purines are produced upon meat digestion but mot whey > assimilation. Piles of information online. > > ACV is food (acetic acid) for the bowel lining cells that lemon juice > (citric acid) is not. > > Nattokinase and serrapeptase together are better than either one alone, and > a little Seaprose-S give them a synergy, amount depending on the blend > formula. The golden formula escapes me just now but BB AllClear has been > optimized, yes. > > I'm glad you're aware of the need to avoid warfarin, Karl buddy. Someone on > the electroherbalism list has just let us know his brother is responding > well to just one pill a day of the BlockBuster AllClear. Hope low-dosing is > all you need too > > all good, > > Duncan > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 I take a couple of lemons and sqeeze them into a gallon of water and add stevia and it makes great lemonade...everyone always want s the recipe and its so easy. From: Old Grumpy <grumpygubbe@...> Subject: Re: Re: Conumdrum Coconut Oil Date: Sunday, May 15, 2011, 9:47 AM  Dee Thanks for the veggie carb list which confirms that I'm following my plan to stay off insulin and maintain my blood sugar levels. I see that you believe Nattokinase and serrapeptase to be blood thinners thus complementing the effect of Warfarin, it is my understanding that Nattokinase and serrapeptase do not thin the blood but reduce inflammation in the circulatory system improving blood flow and circulation by reducing unhealthy fibrin in arteries and veins. The problem with that is that I have no idea how to judge or test for any improvements or the lack thereof! It is Sunday evening and my wrist is less sensitive now than it was yesterday or this morning which is very encouraging. Thanks 2011/5/15 Dolores <dgk@...> > Hi Karl, > > A couple of comments only as I'm not a doctor. First, regarding the lemons > - eating them whole is probably not a great idea because the acid is very > hard on tooth enamel. If you juice them in even one of those simple hand > juicers the juice will include almost all of the pulp as well. > > While it is said that cooked foods TEND to be more alkaline than raw foods > I have no idea as to what degree of difference that would be. Heating would > definitely destroy some of the vit C, but might enhance the PH so you could > try adding it to tea or such. > > As for taking BBAC with Warfarin I would ask you to please reconsider that > idea! When my partner was on Coumadin (well before we knew anything about > Nattokinase) he had to be monitored frequently lest he die from internal > bleeding from almost any kind of injury. As it turned out he died about a > week after a bad fall down some stairs. Too much blood thinning could be > disastrous. Since you don't have access to homeopathic Drs, I hope Dr. Lew > or Dr. Fife can help you out with this one. > > And good luck with the vinegar for your gout. I hope it helps. I would also > start adding more green veggies, cooked very lightly, and cut down on the > red meat if you are eating too much. There are greens that really don't add > many carbs. Here is a site that lists the carbs in veggies from zero to ten > plus: > > http://kitchen-parade-veggieventure.blogspot.com/2008/01/how-many-carbs-are-in-v\ egetables.html > > Best, > Dee > > > > > > Thank you Duncan, Dee and others who have offered advice and comments. > This > > thread has caused a lot of comment and as I am on the other side of the > > world I woke up this morning to a lot of useful information and opinions > to > > consider, but I am now way behind..... > > > > Yesterday afternoon(Saturday) I felt my wrist becoming tender. The last > > time this happened it got steadily worse to become a full blown attack > the > > day after only relieved by drugs five days after that. As this started > > Saturday and I can get no help until Monday at best and having read up > on > > some of the info kindly offered here I drank 2 x ½ glass of water with 2 > > tblsps apple cider vinegar and ½ tsp baking soda. This morning Sunday my > > wrist is no worse than it was yesterday - so I will continue with the ACV > + > > BS regime and see what happens. > > > > This leads me to ask that if it is not the juice of a lemon but the flesh > > that could be effective in combating uric acid then what could it be in > AVC > > that is purported to be similarly effective. Likewise it was mentioned > that > > cooking the lemon can reduce the 'lip puckering, eye streaming > consequence > > that eating lemons has on some people - me :-( But I have always > understood > > that any kind of heat preparation will always detract from the nutrients > > available in anything we may digest - consequently I don't understand how > > cooking lemon can be better than raw lemon juice especially if ACV is an > > acceptable or better substitute. > > > > Clearing up a couple of things. No, I am not though Karl (my real > > name) was often translated into as recently as the 70's. I have > > talked to Duncan before about Serrapeptase and Nattocinase when I first > had > > a blood clot and was ordinated Warfarin. Now having researched the > subject > > of enzymes I will definitely be ordering Block Buster All Clear and then > we > > will see. One of the reasons I have delayed is that I have been dithering > > with the concept of taking the enzyme therapy at the same time as > Warfarin > > but I think I have read enough to be able to go ahead in spite of > warnings I > > have found concerning combinations with Nattocinase. BBAC I understand > > though though contains a lower percentage of Nacotinase prioritating > > Serrapeptase as the primary active ingredient - correct me if I'm wrong. > > Also, these products are expensive, in fact the freight to me is as much > > again as the actual cost of the products and I will be paying whilst Big > > Pharma drugs cost me nothing. I am not in a position to order BBAC in > bulk > > to proportionately reduce the overall transport costs either as my > pension > > prohibits anything other than marginal extra outlay. > > > > Enzyme therapy products are just not available to me in Sweden and my > doctor > > and other doctors and health care workers I have spoken to have never > even > > heard of any treatments based on them. I have passed on all manner of > > information but I am banging my head against the proverbial brick wall. > > > > /G. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 What I do with fresh lemons is: Soak a whole lemon in 3% H2O2 over night, cut up(skin seeds and all) and then blend well in a cup of distilled water. then I add about 30ml of CS. Bottle and store in fridge. I use this in smoothies, lemon flavor water (1 tbsp/litre) or were ever lemon flavor is required. D Re: Conumdrum Good point on the cooking Dee -- the lemon contains the same amount of mineral, so would yield the same amount of alkaline, raw or cooked. The pH improves as the citric acid in it is neutralized by the alkaline minerals. Maybe it would be better to toss the juice and use the rest of the lemon. Some of the vitamins may be destroyed by cooking but we have tha tcovered in other areas. all golod, Duncan > > Hi Karl, >> > While it is said that cooked foods TEND to be more alkaline than raw foods I have no idea as to what degree of difference that would be. Heating would definitely destroy some of the vit C, but might enhance the PH so you could try adding it to tea or such. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 Sound nice - can't get Stevia though. I'll be emigrating soon if this keeps up;-) 2011/5/15 Jan Rugg <janrugg@...> > > I take a couple of lemons and sqeeze them into a gallon of water and add > stevia and it makes great lemonade...everyone always want s the recipe and > its so easy. > > > > From: Old Grumpy <grumpygubbe@...> > Subject: Re: Re: Conumdrum > Coconut Oil > Date: Sunday, May 15, 2011, 9:47 AM > > > > > > > Dee > > Thanks for the veggie carb list which confirms that I'm following my plan > to > stay off insulin and maintain my blood sugar levels. > > I see that you believe Nattokinase and serrapeptase to be blood thinners > thus complementing the effect of Warfarin, it is my understanding that > Nattokinase and serrapeptase do not thin the blood but reduce inflammation > in the circulatory system improving blood flow and circulation by reducing > unhealthy fibrin in arteries and veins. > > The problem with that is that I have no idea how to judge or test for any > improvements or the lack thereof! > > It is Sunday evening and my wrist is less sensitive now than it was > yesterday or this morning which is very encouraging. > > Thanks > > 2011/5/15 Dolores <dgk@...> > > > Hi Karl, > > > > A couple of comments only as I'm not a doctor. First, regarding the > lemons > > - eating them whole is probably not a great idea because the acid is very > > hard on tooth enamel. If you juice them in even one of those simple hand > > juicers the juice will include almost all of the pulp as well. > > > > While it is said that cooked foods TEND to be more alkaline than raw > foods > > I have no idea as to what degree of difference that would be. Heating > would > > definitely destroy some of the vit C, but might enhance the PH so you > could > > try adding it to tea or such. > > > > As for taking BBAC with Warfarin I would ask you to please reconsider > that > > idea! When my partner was on Coumadin (well before we knew anything about > > Nattokinase) he had to be monitored frequently lest he die from internal > > bleeding from almost any kind of injury. As it turned out he died about a > > week after a bad fall down some stairs. Too much blood thinning could be > > disastrous. Since you don't have access to homeopathic Drs, I hope Dr. > Lew > > or Dr. Fife can help you out with this one. > > > > And good luck with the vinegar for your gout. I hope it helps. I would > also > > start adding more green veggies, cooked very lightly, and cut down on the > > red meat if you are eating too much. There are greens that really don't > add > > many carbs. Here is a site that lists the carbs in veggies from zero to > ten > > plus: > > > > > http://kitchen-parade-veggieventure.blogspot.com/2008/01/how-many-carbs-are-in-v\ egetables.html > > > > Best, > > Dee > > > > > > > > > > Thank you Duncan, Dee and others who have offered advice and comments. > > This > > > thread has caused a lot of comment and as I am on the other side of the > > > world I woke up this morning to a lot of useful information and > opinions > > to > > > consider, but I am now way behind..... > > > > > > Yesterday afternoon(Saturday) I felt my wrist becoming tender. The last > > > time this happened it got steadily worse to become a full blown attack > > the > > > day after only relieved by drugs five days after that. As this started > > > Saturday and I can get no help until Monday at best and having read up > > on > > > some of the info kindly offered here I drank 2 x ½ glass of water with > 2 > > > tblsps apple cider vinegar and ½ tsp baking soda. This morning Sunday > my > > > wrist is no worse than it was yesterday - so I will continue with the > ACV > > + > > > BS regime and see what happens. > > > > > > This leads me to ask that if it is not the juice of a lemon but the > flesh > > > that could be effective in combating uric acid then what could it be in > > AVC > > > that is purported to be similarly effective. Likewise it was mentioned > > that > > > cooking the lemon can reduce the 'lip puckering, eye streaming > > consequence > > > that eating lemons has on some people - me :-( But I have always > > understood > > > that any kind of heat preparation will always detract from the > nutrients > > > available in anything we may digest - consequently I don't understand > how > > > cooking lemon can be better than raw lemon juice especially if ACV is > an > > > acceptable or better substitute. > > > > > > Clearing up a couple of things. No, I am not though Karl (my > real > > > name) was often translated into as recently as the 70's. I have > > > talked to Duncan before about Serrapeptase and Nattocinase when I first > > had > > > a blood clot and was ordinated Warfarin. Now having researched the > > subject > > > of enzymes I will definitely be ordering Block Buster All Clear and > then > > we > > > will see. One of the reasons I have delayed is that I have been > dithering > > > with the concept of taking the enzyme therapy at the same time as > > Warfarin > > > but I think I have read enough to be able to go ahead in spite of > > warnings I > > > have found concerning combinations with Nattocinase. BBAC I understand > > > though though contains a lower percentage of Nacotinase prioritating > > > Serrapeptase as the primary active ingredient - correct me if I'm > wrong. > > > Also, these products are expensive, in fact the freight to me is as > much > > > again as the actual cost of the products and I will be paying whilst > Big > > > Pharma drugs cost me nothing. I am not in a position to order BBAC in > > bulk > > > to proportionately reduce the overall transport costs either as my > > pension > > > prohibits anything other than marginal extra outlay. > > > > > > Enzyme therapy products are just not available to me in Sweden and my > > doctor > > > and other doctors and health care workers I have spoken to have never > > even > > > heard of any treatments based on them. I have passed on all manner of > > > information but I am banging my head against the proverbial brick wall. > > > > > > /G. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 Nattokinase keeps the blood in proper balance, it makes the red blod cells mantain the corret sliperness that is needed to prevent blood from getting to thick or to thin. I had an anjogram they they gave me heprin to keep the blood thined for the proceedure, in recovery they get you up to go to the bathroom at whitch point i started bleeding and had to stay longer, as soon a i was released i went an got a bottle of nato. Our health mentor gets oodels of heath letters and he ran across an an aticle about nato -- this n.d. had a gentleman com into his office with a raging thombophbitis in he upper thigh the n.d. took one look and told him he need to get to a hospital stat he gave him 6 caps of nato the hospital was about 45 mina away by the time he checked in for the test the thrombophbitis was no longer eviedent. this nd also recomended that any one flying for any long distant that they take nato three days before and after flying  > > > From: Old Grumpy <grumpygubbe@...> > Subject: Re: Re: Conumdrum > Coconut Oil > Date: Sunday, May 15, 2011, 9:47 AM > > > > > > > Dee > > Thanks for the veggie carb list which confirms that I'm following my plan > to > stay off insulin and maintain my blood sugar levels. > > I see that you believe Nattokinase and serrapeptase to be blood thinners > thus complementing the effect of Warfarin, it is my understanding that > Nattokinase and serrapeptase do not thin the blood but reduce inflammation > in the circulatory system improving blood flow and circulation by reducing > unhealthy fibrin in arteries and veins. > > The problem with that is that I have no idea how to judge or test for any > improvements or the lack thereof! > > It is Sunday evening and my wrist is less sensitive now than it was > yesterday or this morning which is very encouraging. > > Thanks > > 2011/5/15 Dolores <dgk@...> > > > Hi Karl, > > > > A couple of comments only as I'm not a doctor. First, regarding the > lemons > > - eating them whole is probably not a great idea because the acid is very > > hard on tooth enamel. If you juice them in even one of those simple hand > > juicers the juice will include almost all of the pulp as well. > > > > While it is said that cooked foods TEND to be more alkaline than raw > foods > > I have no idea as to what degree of difference that would be. Heating > would > > definitely destroy some of the vit C, but might enhance the PH so you > could > > try adding it to tea or such. > > > > As for taking BBAC with Warfarin I would ask you to please reconsider > that > > idea! When my partner was on Coumadin (well before we knew anything about > > Nattokinase) he had to be monitored frequently lest he die from internal > > bleeding from almost any kind of injury. As it turned out he died about a > > week after a bad fall down some stairs. Too much blood thinning could be > > disastrous. Since you don't have access to homeopathic Drs, I hope Dr. > Lew > > or Dr. Fife can help you out with this one. > > > > And good luck with the vinegar for your gout. I hope it helps. I would > also > > start adding more green veggies, cooked very lightly, and cut down on the > > red meat if you are eating too much. There are greens that really don't > add > > many carbs. Here is a site that lists the carbs in veggies from zero to > ten > > plus: > > > > > http://kitchen-parade-veggieventure.blogspot.com/2008/01/how-many-carbs-are-in-v\ egetables.html > > > > Best, > > Dee > > > > > > > > > > Thank you Duncan, Dee and others who have offered advice and comments. > > This > > > thread has caused a lot of comment and as I am on the other side of the > > > world I woke up this morning to a lot of useful information and > opinions > > to > > > consider, but I am now way behind..... > > > > > > Yesterday afternoon(Saturday) I felt my wrist becoming tender. The last > > > time this happened it got steadily worse to become a full blown attack > > the > > > day after only relieved by drugs five days after that. As this started > > > Saturday and I can get no help until Monday at best and having read up > > on > > > some of the info kindly offered here I drank 2 x ½ glass of water with > 2 > > > tblsps apple cider vinegar and ½ tsp baking soda. This morning Sunday > my > > > wrist is no worse than it was yesterday - so I will continue with the > ACV > > + > > > BS regime and see what happens. > > > > > > This leads me to ask that if it is not the juice of a lemon but the > flesh > > > that could be effective in combating uric acid then what could it be in > > AVC > > > that is purported to be similarly effective. Likewise it was mentioned > > that > > > cooking the lemon can reduce the 'lip puckering, eye streaming > > consequence > > > that eating lemons has on some people - me :-( But I have always > > understood > > > that any kind of heat preparation will always detract from the > nutrients > > > available in anything we may digest - consequently I don't understand > how > > > cooking lemon can be better than raw lemon juice especially if ACV is > an > > > acceptable or better substitute. > > > > > > Clearing up a couple of things. No, I am not though Karl (my > real > > > name) was often translated into as recently as the 70's. I have > > > talked to Duncan before about Serrapeptase and Nattocinase when I first > > had > > > a blood clot and was ordinated Warfarin. Now having researched the > > subject > > > of enzymes I will definitely be ordering Block Buster All Clear and > then > > we > > > will see. One of the reasons I have delayed is that I have been > dithering > > > with the concept of taking the enzyme therapy at the same time as > > Warfarin > > > but I think I have read enough to be able to go ahead in spite of > > warnings I > > > have found concerning combinations with Nattocinase. BBAC I understand > > > though though contains a lower percentage of Nacotinase prioritating > > > Serrapeptase as the primary active ingredient - correct me if I'm > wrong. > > > Also, these products are expensive, in fact the freight to me is as > much > > > again as the actual cost of the products and I will be paying whilst > Big > > > Pharma drugs cost me nothing. I am not in a position to order BBAC in > > bulk > > > to proportionately reduce the overall transport costs either as my > > pension > > > prohibits anything other than marginal extra outlay. > > > > > > Enzyme therapy products are just not available to me in Sweden and my > > doctor > > > and other doctors and health care workers I have spoken to have never > > even > > > heard of any treatments based on them. I have passed on all manner of > > > information but I am banging my head against the proverbial brick wall. > > > > > > /G. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 GO TO IHERB.COM ON THE INTERNET AND ORDER YOUR HERBS...VERY REASONABLE AND I THINK THEY SHIP OVERSEAS...GOOD LUCK From: Old Grumpy <grumpygubbe@...> Subject: Re: Re: Conumdrum Coconut Oil Date: Sunday, May 15, 2011, 2:15 AM  Thank you Duncan, Dee and others who have offered advice and comments. This thread has caused a lot of comment and as I am on the other side of the world I woke up this morning to a lot of useful information and opinions to consider, but I am now way behind..... Yesterday afternoon(Saturday) I felt my wrist becoming tender. The last time this happened it got steadily worse to become a full blown attack the day after only relieved by drugs five days after that. As this started Saturday and I can get no help until Monday at best and having read up on some of the info kindly offered here I drank 2 x ½ glass of water with 2 tblsps apple cider vinegar and ½ tsp baking soda. This morning Sunday my wrist is no worse than it was yesterday - so I will continue with the ACV + BS regime and see what happens. This leads me to ask that if it is not the juice of a lemon but the flesh that could be effective in combating uric acid then what could it be in AVC that is purported to be similarly effective. Likewise it was mentioned that cooking the lemon can reduce the 'lip puckering, eye streaming consequence that eating lemons has on some people - me :-( But I have always understood that any kind of heat preparation will always detract from the nutrients available in anything we may digest - consequently I don't understand how cooking lemon can be better than raw lemon juice especially if ACV is an acceptable or better substitute. Clearing up a couple of things. No, I am not though Karl (my real name) was often translated into as recently as the 70's. I have talked to Duncan before about Serrapeptase and Nattocinase when I first had a blood clot and was ordinated Warfarin. Now having researched the subject of enzymes I will definitely be ordering Block Buster All Clear and then we will see. One of the reasons I have delayed is that I have been dithering with the concept of taking the enzyme therapy at the same time as Warfarin but I think I have read enough to be able to go ahead in spite of warnings I have found concerning combinations with Nattocinase. BBAC I understand though though contains a lower percentage of Nacotinase prioritating Serrapeptase as the primary active ingredient - correct me if I'm wrong. Also, these products are expensive, in fact the freight to me is as much again as the actual cost of the products and I will be paying whilst Big Pharma drugs cost me nothing. I am not in a position to order BBAC in bulk to proportionately reduce the overall transport costs either as my pension prohibits anything other than marginal extra outlay. Enzyme therapy products are just not available to me in Sweden and my doctor and other doctors and health care workers I have spoken to have never even heard of any treatments based on them. I have passed on all manner of information but I am banging my head against the proverbial brick wall. /G. 2011/5/14 Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> > Hi , I have the exact answer for you. > > As a person ages they produce less plasmin, the only fibrinolytic enzyme > the body makes. Enzymes have very specific functions; a fibrinolytic enzyme > reduces fibrin, the blood clotting protein. This action in the body how it > gets the name metabolic enzyme as opposed to digestive enzyme. > > Plasmin ensures spontaneous blood coagulation does not occur, and it's not > only blood coagulation (coagulopathy) that plasmin prevents; organ fibrosis, > the leading killer of the elderly due usually to kidney failure also results > from low plasmin. Thrombosis, endometriosis and adhesions are also reduced > by adequate plasmin. > > So, your plasmin is low and that's why you're on warfarin. Warfarin and > coumadin produce a huge bleeding risk and " poor prognosis " in the event of a > hemorragic stroke, so the doctor gets you off some of your vitamins such as > vitamin E, vitamin K, garlic and so on because they facilitate better blood > circulation. > > A natural no-risk alternative has been on the market for years; > categorically the fibrinolytic enzymes nattokinase, serrapeptase, and > Seaprose-S and some newer developments support the erosion of excess > fibrin. Together, they are pronounced heart disease, thrombosis, and > inflammation reducers and circulation and microcirculation enhancers that > carry no bleeding risk. > > Of the enzyme blends, BlockBuster AllClear is the most potent, the most > " correct " blend, and also the least expensive. It is miles ahead of Neprinol > and Wobenzym, which don't even have the right formula to properly address > coagulopathy. Besides reducing coagulopathy, BlockBuster AllClear is used to > dissolve/erode existing clots such as deep-vein thrombosis, peripheral > arterial disease, plaque buildup, inflammation, and organ fibrosis, and > improve microcirculation, all the circulation things that might kill you as > you age. > > Some people respond to just one capsule daily, while others take 2 twice > daily. But it generally works in just days, so you wan't need the warfarin > for long. Unlike other products, BB AllClear is backed by a money-back > guarantee, even on the buy 3 get 4 sale, so save your empty bottles. > > Here's my link ; as you'll see, The parent company GoodHealth > Naturally invites comparison by posting the ingredients list: > http://tinyurl.com/BB-Allclear > > all good, > > Duncan > > > > > > I find myself in a bit of a pickle. As along standing Diabetic (type 2) I > > adopted an LCHF wol and could soon give up my insulin pump, this was > nearly > > 4 years ago, and also having lost about 50 lbs I was feeling fine. > > > > Then in January of this year I developed a blood clot in my right lower > leg > > the consequence of which was that I was put on daily injections of > Klexane > > (Enoxaparin) and Warfarin, and later stabilized only Warfarin with review > > and tests every week until middle of July at least. > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 Thanks I will look into this tomorrow. 2011/5/15 Jan Rugg <janrugg@...> > > GO TO IHERB.COM ON THE INTERNET AND ORDER YOUR HERBS...VERY REASONABLE AND > I THINK THEY SHIP OVERSEAS...GOOD LUCK > > > > > From: Old Grumpy <grumpygubbe@...> > Subject: Re: Re: Conumdrum > Coconut Oil > Date: Sunday, May 15, 2011, 2:15 AM > > > > > > > Thank you Duncan, Dee and others who have offered advice and comments. This > thread has caused a lot of comment and as I am on the other side of the > world I woke up this morning to a lot of useful information and opinions to > consider, but I am now way behind..... > > Yesterday afternoon(Saturday) I felt my wrist becoming tender. The last > time this happened it got steadily worse to become a full blown attack the > day after only relieved by drugs five days after that. As this started > Saturday and I can get no help until Monday at best and having read up on > some of the info kindly offered here I drank 2 x ½ glass of water with 2 > tblsps apple cider vinegar and ½ tsp baking soda. This morning Sunday my > wrist is no worse than it was yesterday - so I will continue with the ACV + > BS regime and see what happens. > > This leads me to ask that if it is not the juice of a lemon but the flesh > that could be effective in combating uric acid then what could it be in AVC > that is purported to be similarly effective. Likewise it was mentioned that > cooking the lemon can reduce the 'lip puckering, eye streaming consequence > that eating lemons has on some people - me :-( But I have always understood > that any kind of heat preparation will always detract from the nutrients > available in anything we may digest - consequently I don't understand how > cooking lemon can be better than raw lemon juice especially if ACV is an > acceptable or better substitute. > > Clearing up a couple of things. No, I am not though Karl (my real > name) was often translated into as recently as the 70's. I have > talked to Duncan before about Serrapeptase and Nattocinase when I first had > a blood clot and was ordinated Warfarin. Now having researched the subject > of enzymes I will definitely be ordering Block Buster All Clear and then we > will see. One of the reasons I have delayed is that I have been dithering > with the concept of taking the enzyme therapy at the same time as Warfarin > but I think I have read enough to be able to go ahead in spite of warnings > I > have found concerning combinations with Nattocinase. BBAC I understand > though though contains a lower percentage of Nacotinase prioritating > Serrapeptase as the primary active ingredient - correct me if I'm wrong. > Also, these products are expensive, in fact the freight to me is as much > again as the actual cost of the products and I will be paying whilst Big > Pharma drugs cost me nothing. I am not in a position to order BBAC in bulk > to proportionately reduce the overall transport costs either as my pension > prohibits anything other than marginal extra outlay. > > Enzyme therapy products are just not available to me in Sweden and my > doctor > and other doctors and health care workers I have spoken to have never even > heard of any treatments based on them. I have passed on all manner of > information but I am banging my head against the proverbial brick wall. > > /G. > > 2011/5/14 Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> > > > Hi , I have the exact answer for you. > > > > As a person ages they produce less plasmin, the only fibrinolytic enzyme > > the body makes. Enzymes have very specific functions; a fibrinolytic > enzyme > > reduces fibrin, the blood clotting protein. This action in the body how > it > > gets the name metabolic enzyme as opposed to digestive enzyme. > > > > Plasmin ensures spontaneous blood coagulation does not occur, and it's > not > > only blood coagulation (coagulopathy) that plasmin prevents; organ > fibrosis, > > the leading killer of the elderly due usually to kidney failure also > results > > from low plasmin. Thrombosis, endometriosis and adhesions are also > reduced > > by adequate plasmin. > > > > So, your plasmin is low and that's why you're on warfarin. Warfarin and > > coumadin produce a huge bleeding risk and " poor prognosis " in the event > of a > > hemorragic stroke, so the doctor gets you off some of your vitamins such > as > > vitamin E, vitamin K, garlic and so on because they facilitate better > blood > > circulation. > > > > A natural no-risk alternative has been on the market for years; > > categorically the fibrinolytic enzymes nattokinase, serrapeptase, and > > Seaprose-S and some newer developments support the erosion of excess > > fibrin. Together, they are pronounced heart disease, thrombosis, and > > inflammation reducers and circulation and microcirculation enhancers that > > carry no bleeding risk. > > > > Of the enzyme blends, BlockBuster AllClear is the most potent, the most > > " correct " blend, and also the least expensive. It is miles ahead of > Neprinol > > and Wobenzym, which don't even have the right formula to properly address > > coagulopathy. Besides reducing coagulopathy, BlockBuster AllClear is used > to > > dissolve/erode existing clots such as deep-vein thrombosis, peripheral > > arterial disease, plaque buildup, inflammation, and organ fibrosis, and > > improve microcirculation, all the circulation things that might kill you > as > > you age. > > > > Some people respond to just one capsule daily, while others take 2 twice > > daily. But it generally works in just days, so you wan't need the > warfarin > > for long. Unlike other products, BB AllClear is backed by a money-back > > guarantee, even on the buy 3 get 4 sale, so save your empty bottles. > > > > Here's my link ; as you'll see, The parent company GoodHealth > > Naturally invites comparison by posting the ingredients list: > > http://tinyurl.com/BB-Allclear > > > > all good, > > > > Duncan > > > > > > > > > > I find myself in a bit of a pickle. As along standing Diabetic (type 2) > I > > > adopted an LCHF wol and could soon give up my insulin pump, this was > > nearly > > > 4 years ago, and also having lost about 50 lbs I was feeling fine. > > > > > > Then in January of this year I developed a blood clot in my right lower > > leg > > > the consequence of which was that I was put on daily injections of > > Klexane > > > (Enoxaparin) and Warfarin, and later stabilized only Warfarin with > review > > > and tests every week until middle of July at least. > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 Karl, As I said before I'm not a doctor but googling " does nattokinase thin the blood? " brings up a number of conflicting answers. Since I tend to find Ray Sahelian's advice to be pretty balanced and objective you might want to check this one out: http://www.raysahelian.com/nattokinase.html Best, Dee > > > > > > Thank you Duncan, Dee and others who have offered advice and comments. > > This > > > thread has caused a lot of comment and as I am on the other side of the > > > world I woke up this morning to a lot of useful information and opinions > > to > > > consider, but I am now way behind..... > > > > > > Yesterday afternoon(Saturday) I felt my wrist becoming tender. The last > > > time this happened it got steadily worse to become a full blown attack > > the > > > day after only relieved by drugs five days after that. As this started > > > Saturday and I can get no help until Monday at best and having read up > > on > > > some of the info kindly offered here I drank 2 x ½ glass of water with 2 > > > tblsps apple cider vinegar and ½ tsp baking soda. This morning Sunday my > > > wrist is no worse than it was yesterday - so I will continue with the ACV > > + > > > BS regime and see what happens. > > > > > > This leads me to ask that if it is not the juice of a lemon but the flesh > > > that could be effective in combating uric acid then what could it be in > > AVC > > > that is purported to be similarly effective. Likewise it was mentioned > > that > > > cooking the lemon can reduce the 'lip puckering, eye streaming > > consequence > > > that eating lemons has on some people - me :-( But I have always > > understood > > > that any kind of heat preparation will always detract from the nutrients > > > available in anything we may digest - consequently I don't understand how > > > cooking lemon can be better than raw lemon juice especially if ACV is an > > > acceptable or better substitute. > > > > > > Clearing up a couple of things. No, I am not though Karl (my real > > > name) was often translated into as recently as the 70's. I have > > > talked to Duncan before about Serrapeptase and Nattocinase when I first > > had > > > a blood clot and was ordinated Warfarin. Now having researched the > > subject > > > of enzymes I will definitely be ordering Block Buster All Clear and then > > we > > > will see. One of the reasons I have delayed is that I have been dithering > > > with the concept of taking the enzyme therapy at the same time as > > Warfarin > > > but I think I have read enough to be able to go ahead in spite of > > warnings I > > > have found concerning combinations with Nattocinase. BBAC I understand > > > though though contains a lower percentage of Nacotinase prioritating > > > Serrapeptase as the primary active ingredient - correct me if I'm wrong. > > > Also, these products are expensive, in fact the freight to me is as much > > > again as the actual cost of the products and I will be paying whilst Big > > > Pharma drugs cost me nothing. I am not in a position to order BBAC in > > bulk > > > to proportionately reduce the overall transport costs either as my > > pension > > > prohibits anything other than marginal extra outlay. > > > > > > Enzyme therapy products are just not available to me in Sweden and my > > doctor > > > and other doctors and health care workers I have spoken to have never > > even > > > heard of any treatments based on them. I have passed on all manner of > > > information but I am banging my head against the proverbial brick wall. > > > > > > /G. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 LOL - that has to be one of your most ridiculous ideas ever! Dee > > . . . Maybe it would be better to toss the juice and use the rest of the lemon. > > all golod, > > Duncan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 As Ray Sahelian's page points out, " no significant nattokinase side effects have yet been reported in the medical literature when used without other anticoagulants. " But, " Nattokinase is contraindicated in any condition associated with bleeding or combined with blood thinning agents such as warfarin (Coumadin), aspirin, or other blood thinners. " Like I said, aspirin and warfarin/coumadin are known to produce a " poor prognosis " in the event of hemorrragic stroke even on their own. As I said, the good doctor should get you off those right away. Sahelian promotes the use of both serrapeptase and nattokinase; that is reassuring The warfarin doctor would advise you off vitamin E and K as well; it's not my belief however that one should curtail vitamin use in favour of rat poison. I think they worded the warning backwards, like if you're going to be taking nattokinase, garlic, vitamin E and vitamin K, you should advise the doctor so he won't consider think about giving you warfarin. Actually you wouldn't have thick blood then to control with rat poison, would you? I'd hate to see anyone on such a dangerous drug as warfarin. The conflicting information Dee refers to I think arises from a lack of understanding of how nattokinase works. What it does is fill the biological need for a systemic fibrinolytic enzyme that is falling in production with age. Warfarin doesn't, typical of drugs. all good, Duncan > > Karl, > > As I said before I'm not a doctor but googling " does nattokinase thin the blood? " brings up a number of conflicting answers. Since I tend to find Ray Sahelian's advice to be pretty balanced and objective you might want to check this one out: > http://www.raysahelian.com/nattokinase.html > > Best, > Dee > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 I was rattling the sacred caow, that's all, Dee all good, Duncan > > > > . . . Maybe it would be better to toss the juice and use the rest of the lemon. > > > > all golod, > > > > Duncan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Hi Karl; comments interspersed [Karl:]I was under the impression that neither Serrapeptase nor Nattkonkinase thin the blood, but clean the blood disolving fibrin which causes clots forming. [Duncan:] Excess undissolved fibrin is what causes coagulopathy, or thick blood, in the same process as actual clot formation, and compared to spontaneously thickening blood the therapy makes blood seem thinner to some people so they think of the metabolic enzymes as " blood thinners " or " anticoagulants " but they aren't. Fibrinolytic enzyme supplements reduce excess fibrin just like plasmin was supposed to do but is failing with advancing age. Coagulopathy reverts to normally flowing blood, thank goodness, few clots occur any more due to blood shear, and it's the exact same process of dissolving excess fibrin in a clot, in scar tissue, fibroids, and adhesions. [Karl:]It has been said that Nattokinase and serrapeptase can be taken with Warfarin as they are both naturally occurring enzymes which will neither detract or amplify the effects of warfarin the purpose of which is basically to thin the blood so that new clots cannot be formed. The fear is that as Big Pharmas drugs don't dissipate any existing clots (the body itself does that in time it is hoped unless that process is speeded up with BBAC for example) though thin blood will prevent any more sticky platelets from adhering to existing clots making the situation worse. [Duncan:]I agree. Doctors often do use both together today. Dr. Ray Sahelian doesn't know that much about it and says so a few times, but Dr. Garry Gordon is decidedly for it: ><http://fight4yourhealth.com/answers/effects-of-nattokinase> Says Dr. Gordon: " This review of the subject may make you comfortable in using this incredible product without the need for lots of testing. " [Karl:]If BBAC does indeed dissolve and clear out the arteries and veins then blood thinners will not be needed. However, how can you tell when you are in fact clear/clean. At the moment I go for blood work every Monday to determine the coagulation quality of my blood (P-PK test) but that says nothing about existing or imminent clotting. If I give up Warfarin myself then I will be denied these tests. On the other hand on BBAC I probably won't need blood thinners but how will I know - that's the clincher, how will I know, in fact, how does your friend know his brother is responding well? [Duncan:]When a diabetic's toes go from purple to pink again in 2 days you can tell easily; sometimes it's more difficult and they'd use Doppler to measure reduction of plaque or a circulation tester they join you with electrodes in the clinic etc., but the effect is reliable and almost fail-proof, so as Dr. Gordon says, " without the need for lots of testing " . You're going in every week because warfarin is so dangerous! Have they ever got you hooked! Seriously, if your doctor low-doses you on warfarin in view of the enzymes that are going to be part of your lifestyle, he'll probably keep testing you A printout Dr. Gordon's page might help him be more confident in the therapy. He's probably aware that Dr. Garry Gordon is well known as one of the more brilliant doctors alive today. [Karl:]I have looked everywhere here for undenatured whey and it is a term not recognized and again it is expensive stuff and I have yet to find a workable solution to that problem. [Duncan:]Then you'll be stuck with n-acetylcysteine (and selenium). You can find whey that was partially denatured by pasteurisation, and subsequently reclaimed to preserve the glutathione-producing fractions that were not ruined (denatured). Now Foods whey isolate has the correct undenatured proteins in their whey even though the whey was flash pasteurised, by using a decent scavenging process. > Thanks. > Welcome, Karl. all good, Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 As an alternative, Karl: if you used undenatured (cold processed) 6 hour colostrum in lieu of undenatured whey or NAC you'd be miles ahead as an aging adult It's an incredible anti-aging tool that contains glutathione precurtsors and several growth factors to assist another hormone that drops with age, HGH/IGF-1. It's not as high in assimilable protein as whey but the " youthing " the growth factors produce is remarkable all good, Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Good idea, lemon slurry with CS to preserve it; high tech! Thanks Doug, now I can use several more lemons a mnonth all good, Duncan > > What I do with fresh lemons is: Soak a whole lemon in 3% H2O2 over night, cut up(skin seeds and all) and then blend well in a cup of distilled water. then I add about 30ml of CS. Bottle and store in fridge. I use this in smoothies, lemon flavor water (1 tbsp/litre) or were ever lemon flavor is required. > D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 >> What I do with fresh lemons is: Soak a whole lemon in 3% H2O2 over night, cut >>up(skin seeds and all) and then blend well in a cup of distilled water. then I >>add about 30ml of CS. Bottle and store in fridge. I use this in smoothies, lemon >>flavor water (1 tbsp/litre) or were ever lemon flavor is required. > D What kind of blender do you have that blends the whole lemon? Does it turn it into chunks, or does it make it a smooth puree? Just looking to see if you might have one that does this and does not cost hundreds of dollars that you could tell me about. What hp is it? And do you buy your distilled water? I have an alkalizing water machine. I really don't have the room or the desire to have a water distiller for another purpose and a reverse osmosis machine for CS. I know I probably don't understand all about the different machines. So maybe I do not need more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Duncan, Thanks for this link. I have written a long mail to my doctor including Dr. Garry Gordon's take on the situation. I have sent him other resources on the subject before but so far have been unable to elicit any comments from him. He's a general practitioner and I suppose it's unfair of me to ask him to prioritize my problems above others. Nah - I'll keep at it until I get a result one way or the other. Anyway in a couple of days I will be ordering BBAC from the store in the UK and meantime I will discuss the possibility of progressively reducing the Warfarin regime( as it is said that cold turkey is not a good idea) with a view to excluding it entirely as soon as possible. Fortunately I don't have any discoloration of my toes or lower extremities but I do have persistent Tromboflebitis in my left leg and if that clears up it would certainly be indicative and increase my confidence in the therapy. I have started again to look into which Whey products that are available here would be the most suitable. Do you have any general recommendations as to how to imbibe whey for my purposes? Assuming I can find a suitable product will I be replacing a part of my ordinary diet or will it be an extra consumption? Again obliged. /K. 2011/5/16 Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> > Hi Karl; comments interspersed > > [Karl:]I was under the impression that neither Serrapeptase nor > Nattkonkinase thin the blood, but clean the blood disolving fibrin which > causes clots forming. > > [Duncan:] Excess undissolved fibrin is what causes coagulopathy, or thick > blood, in the same process as actual clot formation, and compared to > spontaneously thickening blood the therapy makes blood seem thinner to some > people so they think of the metabolic enzymes as " blood thinners " or > " anticoagulants " but they aren't. > > Fibrinolytic enzyme supplements reduce excess fibrin just like plasmin was > supposed to do but is failing with advancing age. Coagulopathy reverts to > normally flowing blood, thank goodness, few clots occur any more due to > blood shear, and it's the exact same process of dissolving excess fibrin in > a clot, in scar tissue, fibroids, and adhesions. > > [Karl:]It has been said that Nattokinase and serrapeptase can be taken with > Warfarin as they are both naturally occurring enzymes which will neither > detract or amplify the effects of warfarin the purpose of which is basically > to thin the blood so that new clots cannot be formed. The fear is that as > Big Pharmas drugs don't dissipate any existing clots (the body itself does > that in time it is hoped unless that process is speeded up with BBAC for > example) though thin blood will prevent any more sticky platelets from > adhering to existing clots making the situation worse. > > [Duncan:]I agree. Doctors often do use both together today. Dr. Ray > Sahelian doesn't know that much about it and says so a few times, but Dr. > Garry Gordon is decidedly for it: > ><http://fight4yourhealth.com/answers/effects-of-nattokinase> > > Says Dr. Gordon: " This review of the subject may make you comfortable in > using this incredible product without the need for lots of testing. " > > [Karl:]If BBAC does indeed dissolve and clear out the arteries and veins > then blood thinners will not be needed. However, how can you tell when you > are in fact clear/clean. At the moment I go for blood work every Monday to > determine the coagulation quality of my blood (P-PK test) but that says > nothing about existing or imminent clotting. If I give up Warfarin myself > then I will be denied these tests. On the other hand on BBAC I probably > won't need blood thinners but how will I know - that's the clincher, how > will I know, in fact, how does your friend know his brother is responding > well? > > [Duncan:]When a diabetic's toes go from purple to pink again in 2 days you > can tell easily; sometimes it's more difficult and they'd use Doppler to > measure reduction of plaque or a circulation tester they join you with > electrodes in the clinic etc., but the effect is reliable and almost > fail-proof, so as Dr. Gordon says, " without the need for lots of testing " . > > You're going in every week because warfarin is so dangerous! Have they ever > got you hooked! > > Seriously, if your doctor low-doses you on warfarin in view of the enzymes > that are going to be part of your lifestyle, he'll probably keep testing you > A printout Dr. Gordon's page might help him be more confident in the > therapy. He's probably aware that Dr. Garry Gordon is well known as one of > the more brilliant doctors alive today. > > [Karl:]I have looked everywhere here for undenatured whey and it is a term > not recognized and again it is expensive stuff and I have yet to find a > workable solution to that problem. > > [Duncan:]Then you'll be stuck with n-acetylcysteine (and selenium). You can > find whey that was partially denatured by pasteurisation, and subsequently > reclaimed to preserve the glutathione-producing fractions that were not > ruined (denatured). Now Foods whey isolate has the correct undenatured > proteins in their whey even though the whey was flash pasteurised, by using > a decent scavenging process. > > > Thanks. > > > > Welcome, Karl. > > all good, > > Duncan > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Hi Duncan, Do you have a recommendation as to taking either 6Hr.Colostrum, or undenatured whey? If so, which is your preference? If taking at the same time, would you still take the +/- 35 grams of whey? I have been taking both and am wondering if I'm at a point of diminishing returns. Your expertise in these areas is much appreciated. And, thanks for all your recent info on BBAllClear. I've been taking it for years, at your suggestion, and am better for it. Your knowledge and insights have been instrumental in keeping me healthy and productive. Love and Laughter, Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Hi Anne; If you're taking the whey with colostrum once daily, you'd leave it at that because you can assimilate all the glutahtione precursors. If you take the same serving size of 6 hour colostrum as you were the whey, a scoop per serving, but twice daily, it will give adequate glutathione precursors to meet the need plus all those lovely growth factors for the " other end " of anti-aging, effective repair all good, Duncan > > Hi Duncan, > > Do you have a recommendation as to taking either 6Hr.Colostrum, or undenatured whey? If so, which is your preference? If taking at the same time, would you still take the +/- 35 grams of whey? I have been taking both and am wondering if I'm at a point of diminishing returns. Your expertise in these areas is much appreciated. > > And, thanks for all your recent info on BBAllClear. I've been taking it for years, at your suggestion, and am better for it. Your knowledge and insights have been instrumental in keeping me healthy and productive. > > Love and Laughter, > Anne > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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