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I am curious , why are you only on T3 and how much Hydrocortisone are you

taking?

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From: Cochrane <juliemc9@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Sun, July 24, 2011 5:26:11 PM

Subject: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

 

I'm hoping to hear from people who struggled to lose weight even with

coconut oil, once they developed thyroid issues. What worked for weight

loss??

I used to effortlessly lose weight following Eat Fat Lose Fat before I

developed thyroid issues. The weight would just drop off when I wanted to

lose some. However, it just doesn't work for me anymore. I just put on

more weight.

I know there must be answers but not sure what they are.

I seem to be on the right medication now with Hydrocortisone, because I was

not producing enough cortisol, and which is now down to a low dose, and T3

only. My temperatures have mostly stabilised. Most of my symptoms are

gone - just not losing the weight I piled on. My diet is very good but I

don't take coconut oil anymore because I was putting on weight with it -

whereas in the past I'd lose weight with it. I have very few carbs in my

diet now. Mostly just good fats and proteins. All the fats are certified

organic apart from some cream which is just pure cream, without additives,

but not organic.

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Hi ,

Is there a good reason to be on Hydrocortisone? Is there a natural thing you

could take instead? As far as I've know it makes people gain weight, not to

mention all the other side effect.

I'm NOT a doctor and NOT telling you that Hydrocortisone is your problem,

(but I would sure do some research on it and see if there is something else

you can do to replace that.)

Over the years I have used different adrenal formulas, right now I'm on

Natures sunshine one, ( I change around, because the body gets used to

things.) I also used progesterone cream which seems to help. I used to take

thyroid herbal formulas, but right now I'm just taking 500mg L-Tyrosine in

the morning on empty stomach. I have had to watch my weight since I was in

Jr high school.now I'm 48, and I still have to watch it even more, but never

let myself get over 10lbs extra, (holidays do it when I eat junk food etc)

but I, like you, eat healthy the rest of the time, hardly any grains,

breads, pasta starch or sugar, etc.. ( Ezekiel bread when I eat bread. Or

tortillas when I make fish tacos), Lots of vegies and fruits, fish, some

meat, raw nuts, and dark chocolate is my treat., I do eat organic yogurt. I

walk fast 25- 30 min daily, maybe run a few min. in between once in a while

and workout 20 min- 60 min, depends what day it is, what time I have to be

at work, 3-6 days a week.

I start my morning with fresh lemon in my water, later I have Aloe Vera

juice with my liq. Acai pulp, then my perfect food green powder, do my

work-out, drink my protein powder and take my morning supplements. 2-3

hours later fruit and nuts, later maybe something with vegies, protein,

salad etc. and dinner, vegies, salad, Salomon, cod, tuna stake, or chicken,

etc. I divide my supplements up in morning , lunch, and dinner, and then

don't take them at least one or two days a week. On the off days if I take

something it is normally enzymes, or Royal jelly or something else etc.. I

only do coconut oil now on the days I don't take my fish oil and other

supplements, because like you, I was gaining weight. I use olive oil more,

and use flax oil and lemon juice on salad too. I eat avocadoes and nuts, so

I get plenty of fat. (Last time I checked my cholesterol it was only 125,

the good was higher than the bad, which was nice to see, but I've heard that

it's not good to have too low of cholesterol.) I do eat some cheese too,(

sheep cheese from Sam's is good) I try not overdoing on that, (water weight

comes with cheese, at least for me, and don't think much dairy is good for

the body.)

This week I lost 3lbs in 4 days, the only thing I did different was use DTE

instead of my golden flax meal in my perfect food that I mix in water in the

mornings. Maybe having the less fat before the workout from no flax meal?

I'm not sure, but I've battled with 3- 5lbs for a while. To keep where I

like I have to exercise, if I feel like it or not. And to stay on the lower

side of my weight I have to eat real healthy, more veggies. If I do too hard

of workouts and strain my body too many days with not enough rest I find I

don't lose as much weight, or when I don't get enough sleep.

I hope there was something I said useful for you. Hope you have a blessed

week that finds the lbs coming off!

Lori E

PS If you have inflammation or joint issues there is MSM, your Omegas,

Hydraulic acid, Glucosamine, Turmeric & Bromelain, and antioxidants, etc..

which you may already know.

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[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Cochrane

Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 4:26 PM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

I'm hoping to hear from people who struggled to lose weight even with

coconut oil, once they developed thyroid issues. What worked for weight

loss??

I used to effortlessly lose weight following Eat Fat Lose Fat before I

developed thyroid issues. The weight would just drop off when I wanted to

lose some. However, it just doesn't work for me anymore. I just put on

more weight.

I know there must be answers but not sure what they are.

I seem to be on the right medication now with Hydrocortisone, because I was

not producing enough cortisol, and which is now down to a low dose, and T3

only. My temperatures have mostly stabilised. Most of my symptoms are

gone - just not losing the weight I piled on. My diet is very good but I

don't take coconut oil anymore because I was putting on weight with it -

whereas in the past I'd lose weight with it. I have very few carbs in my

diet now. Mostly just good fats and proteins. All the fats are certified

organic apart from some cream which is just pure cream, without additives,

but not organic.

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Thanks Lori.

I'm on HC because of my adrenals. It was considered that my cortisol

production was too low to address with just supplements and without enough

cortisol taking thyroid medication just stresses the adrenals further and

often makes you worse.

And in answer to your email, , I take T3 only because I had a very high

Reverse T3. I had initially tried Natural Dessicated Thyroid but it made

no difference to my symptoms. So then I got my Reverse T3 tested and take

T3 only for that. I know some people go back on to Natural Dessicated

Thyroid once their RT3 clears, but it seems that many get a build up of

Reverse T3 again, so I've just stayed on the T3, although may try NDT again

some time. I noticed a difference in my symptoms about 10 days after

starting T3.

I know about the potential side effects from HC but my understanding is that

these are only a problem if you're taking too much i.e. have high cortisol

rather than normal. Although some people report weight gain on HC and I'm

not sure if it's added to my problem, but I'd put on about 20 kgs before

beginning HC.

I also have high estrogen now, so that could be a factor re. the weight.

Perhaps originally it was due to my thyroid but maybe now it's the high

estrogen keeping it on. I'm not sure why - it was normal and my

progesterone was low, so I've been using progesterone cream for about 12

months and my progesterone is still low but my estrogen is now high.

I have been able to lower my HC quite a bit and will try and swap to

supplements soon. What is the Nature's Sunshine one that you use please?

Thank-you for letting me know what you eat. I'm going to print it out and

look and re-arranging my diet seeing as the Nourishing Traditions/coconut

oil way doesn't seem to be helping right at the moment.

When did you start putting on weight with coconut oil? Did it initially

help you lose or maintain weight, before you swapped over to putting on

weight with it.

Thanks again,

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:58 PM, llje <llje@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> Is there a good reason to be on Hydrocortisone? Is there a natural thing

> you

> could take instead? As far as I've know it makes people gain weight, not to

> mention all the other side effect.

>

> I'm NOT a doctor and NOT telling you that Hydrocortisone is your problem,

> (but I would sure do some research on it and see if there is something else

> you can do to replace that.)

>

> Over the years I have used different adrenal formulas, right now I'm on

> Natures sunshine one, ( I change around, because the body gets used to

> things.) I also used progesterone cream which seems to help. I used to take

> thyroid herbal formulas, but right now I'm just taking 500mg L-Tyrosine in

> the morning on empty stomach. I have had to watch my weight since I was in

> Jr high school.now I'm 48, and I still have to watch it even more, but

> never

> let myself get over 10lbs extra, (holidays do it when I eat junk food etc)

> but I, like you, eat healthy the rest of the time, hardly any grains,

> breads, pasta starch or sugar, etc.. ( Ezekiel bread when I eat bread. Or

> tortillas when I make fish tacos), Lots of vegies and fruits, fish, some

> meat, raw nuts, and dark chocolate is my treat., I do eat organic yogurt. I

> walk fast 25- 30 min daily, maybe run a few min. in between once in a while

> and workout 20 min- 60 min, depends what day it is, what time I have to be

> at work, 3-6 days a week.

>

> I start my morning with fresh lemon in my water, later I have Aloe Vera

> juice with my liq. Acai pulp, then my perfect food green powder, do my

> work-out, drink my protein powder and take my morning supplements. 2-3

> hours later fruit and nuts, later maybe something with vegies, protein,

> salad etc. and dinner, vegies, salad, Salomon, cod, tuna stake, or chicken,

> etc. I divide my supplements up in morning , lunch, and dinner, and then

> don't take them at least one or two days a week. On the off days if I take

> something it is normally enzymes, or Royal jelly or something else etc.. I

> only do coconut oil now on the days I don't take my fish oil and other

> supplements, because like you, I was gaining weight. I use olive oil more,

> and use flax oil and lemon juice on salad too. I eat avocadoes and nuts, so

> I get plenty of fat. (Last time I checked my cholesterol it was only 125,

> the good was higher than the bad, which was nice to see, but I've heard

> that

> it's not good to have too low of cholesterol.) I do eat some cheese too,(

> sheep cheese from Sam's is good) I try not overdoing on that, (water weight

> comes with cheese, at least for me, and don't think much dairy is good for

> the body.)

>

> This week I lost 3lbs in 4 days, the only thing I did different was use DTE

> instead of my golden flax meal in my perfect food that I mix in water in

> the

> mornings. Maybe having the less fat before the workout from no flax meal?

> I'm not sure, but I've battled with 3- 5lbs for a while. To keep where I

> like I have to exercise, if I feel like it or not. And to stay on the lower

> side of my weight I have to eat real healthy, more veggies. If I do too

> hard

> of workouts and strain my body too many days with not enough rest I find I

> don't lose as much weight, or when I don't get enough sleep.

>

> I hope there was something I said useful for you. Hope you have a blessed

> week that finds the lbs coming off!

>

> Lori E

>

> PS If you have inflammation or joint issues there is MSM, your Omegas,

> Hydraulic acid, Glucosamine, Turmeric & Bromelain, and antioxidants, etc..

> which you may already know.

>

> From: Coconut Oil

> [mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of

> Cochrane

> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 4:26 PM

>

> Coconut Oil

> Subject: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

>

> I'm hoping to hear from people who struggled to lose weight even with

> coconut oil, once they developed thyroid issues. What worked for weight

> loss??

>

> I used to effortlessly lose weight following Eat Fat Lose Fat before I

> developed thyroid issues. The weight would just drop off when I wanted to

> lose some. However, it just doesn't work for me anymore. I just put on

> more weight.

>

> I know there must be answers but not sure what they are.

>

> I seem to be on the right medication now with Hydrocortisone, because I was

> not producing enough cortisol, and which is now down to a low dose, and T3

> only. My temperatures have mostly stabilised. Most of my symptoms are

> gone - just not losing the weight I piled on. My diet is very good but I

> don't take coconut oil anymore because I was putting on weight with it -

> whereas in the past I'd lose weight with it. I have very few carbs in my

> diet now. Mostly just good fats and proteins. All the fats are certified

> organic apart from some cream which is just pure cream, without additives,

> but not organic.

>

>

>

>

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On 2011-07-24 11:58 PM, llje <llje@...> wrote:

> I start my morning with fresh lemon in my water, later I have Aloe

> Vera juice with my liq. Acai pulp, then my perfect food green powder,

> do my work-out,

<snip>

> This week I lost 3lbs in 4 days,

Fyi, if weight loss is your goal, you should do your workouts in the

evening...

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,

Thanks for the info on your thyroid/reverse T3 problem... Do you have hasimoto's

thyroid? 

I can't lose weight either.. oh I lose it, but only when it wants to come off.. 

I cycle, gain, then lose, always losing less then I gained.  Doesn't matter what

I am eating, how much or how little exercise I get... been doing this since I

was 25. 

This time, I held the gain to 20 lbs and seem to be losing again...  I went to

an endocronolgist last month and it was a wasted trip... she only checked the

TSH, told me my thyroid was fine, said I probably have a slow metabolism, but

doesn't the thyroid control your Metabolism? 

So, other than eating real food, very little or no grains and cooking with

coconut oil, taking 1 tbl. of MCT oil,  plus some exercise everyday , I

don't why I held the weight gain down...   so I can't really help you...  And I

never know when the weight loss will start.  I can't even lose weight on

Atkins. 

But promise me if you every figure it out you will post it here and I will do

the same...

  

 

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From: Cochrane <juliemc9@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Mon, July 25, 2011 5:07:07 AM

Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

Thanks Lori.

I'm on HC because of my adrenals.  It was considered that my cortisol

production was too low to address with just supplements and without enough

cortisol taking thyroid medication just stresses the adrenals further and

often makes you worse.

And in answer to your email, , I take T3 only because I had a very high

Reverse T3.  I had initially tried Natural Dessicated Thyroid but it made

no difference to my symptoms.  So then I got my Reverse T3 tested and take

T3 only for that.  I know some people go back on to Natural Dessicated

Thyroid once their RT3 clears, but it seems that many get a build up of

Reverse T3 again, so I've just stayed on the T3, although may try NDT again

some time.  I noticed a difference in my symptoms about 10 days after

starting T3.

I know about the potential side effects from HC but my understanding is that

these are only a problem if you're taking too much i.e. have high cortisol

rather than normal.  Although some people report weight gain on HC and I'm

not sure if it's added to my problem, but I'd put on about 20 kgs before

beginning HC.

I also have high estrogen now, so that could be a factor re. the weight.

Perhaps originally it was due to my thyroid but maybe now it's the high

estrogen keeping it on.  I'm not sure why - it was normal and my

progesterone was low, so I've been using progesterone cream for about 12

months and my progesterone is still low but my estrogen is now high.

I have been able to lower my HC quite a bit and will try and swap to

supplements soon.  What is the Nature's Sunshine one that you use please?

Thank-you for letting me know what you eat.  I'm going to print it out and

look and re-arranging my diet seeing as the Nourishing Traditions/coconut

oil way doesn't seem to be helping right at the moment.

When did you start putting on weight with coconut oil?  Did it initially

help you lose or maintain weight, before you swapped over to putting on

weight with it.

Thanks again,

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:58 PM, llje <llje@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> Is there a good reason to be on Hydrocortisone? Is there a natural thing

> you

> could take instead? As far as I've know it makes people gain weight, not to

> mention all the other side effect.

>

> I'm NOT a doctor and NOT telling you that Hydrocortisone is your problem,

> (but I would sure do some research on it and see if there is something else

> you can do to replace that.)

>

> Over the years I have used different adrenal formulas, right now I'm on

> Natures sunshine one, ( I change around, because the body gets used to

> things.) I also used progesterone cream which seems to help. I used to take

> thyroid herbal formulas, but right now I'm just taking 500mg L-Tyrosine in

> the morning on empty stomach. I have had to watch my weight since I was in

> Jr high school.now I'm 48, and I still have to watch it even more, but

> never

> let myself get over 10lbs extra, (holidays do it when I eat junk food etc)

> but I, like you, eat healthy the rest of the time, hardly any grains,

> breads, pasta starch or sugar, etc.. ( Ezekiel bread when I eat bread. Or

> tortillas when I make fish tacos), Lots of vegies and fruits, fish, some

> meat, raw nuts, and dark chocolate is my treat., I do eat organic yogurt. I

> walk fast 25- 30 min daily, maybe run a few min. in between once in a while

> and workout 20 min- 60 min, depends what day it is, what time I have to be

> at work, 3-6 days a week.

>

> I start my morning with fresh lemon in my water, later I have Aloe Vera

> juice with my liq. Acai pulp, then my perfect food green powder, do my

> work-out, drink my protein powder and take my morning supplements. 2-3

> hours later fruit and nuts, later maybe something with vegies, protein,

> salad etc. and dinner, vegies, salad, Salomon, cod, tuna stake, or chicken,

> etc. I divide my supplements up in morning , lunch, and dinner, and then

> don't take them at least one or two days a week. On the off days if I take

> something it is normally enzymes, or Royal jelly or something else etc.. I

> only do coconut oil now on the days I don't take my fish oil and other

> supplements, because like you, I was gaining weight. I use olive oil more,

> and use flax oil and lemon juice on salad too. I eat avocadoes and nuts, so

> I get plenty of fat. (Last time I checked my cholesterol it was only 125,

> the good was higher than the bad, which was nice to see, but I've heard

> that

> it's not good to have too low of cholesterol.) I do eat some cheese too,(

> sheep cheese from Sam's is good) I try not overdoing on that, (water weight

> comes with cheese, at least for me, and don't think much dairy is good for

> the body.)

>

> This week I lost 3lbs in 4 days, the only thing I did different was use DTE

> instead of my golden flax meal in my perfect food that I mix in water in

> the

> mornings. Maybe having the less fat before the workout from no flax meal?

> I'm not sure, but I've battled with 3- 5lbs for a while. To keep where I

> like I have to exercise, if I feel like it or not. And to stay on the lower

> side of my weight I have to eat real healthy, more veggies. If I do too

> hard

> of workouts and strain my body too many days with not enough rest I find I

> don't lose as much weight, or when I don't get enough sleep.

>

> I hope there was something I said useful for you. Hope you have a blessed

> week that finds the lbs coming off!

>

> Lori E

>

> PS If you have inflammation or joint issues there is MSM, your Omegas,

> Hydraulic acid, Glucosamine, Turmeric & Bromelain, and antioxidants, etc..

> which you may already know.

>

> From: Coconut Oil

> [mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of

> Cochrane

> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 4:26 PM

>

> Coconut Oil

> Subject: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

>

> I'm hoping to hear from people who struggled to lose weight even with

> coconut oil, once they developed thyroid issues. What worked for weight

> loss??

>

> I used to effortlessly lose weight following Eat Fat Lose Fat before I

> developed thyroid issues. The weight would just drop off when I wanted to

> lose some. However, it just doesn't work for me anymore. I just put on

> more weight.

>

> I know there must be answers but not sure what they are.

>

> I seem to be on the right medication now with Hydrocortisone, because I was

> not producing enough cortisol, and which is now down to a low dose, and T3

> only. My temperatures have mostly stabilised. Most of my symptoms are

> gone - just not losing the weight I piled on. My diet is very good but I

> don't take coconut oil anymore because I was putting on weight with it -

> whereas in the past I'd lose weight with it. I have very few carbs in my

> diet now. Mostly just good fats and proteins. All the fats are certified

> organic apart from some cream which is just pure cream, without additives,

> but not organic.

>

>

>

>

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Following ' line of thinking, if weight loss is your goal, then working

out just before bedtime will trigger your HGH release (you can also take the

amino acid HGH increaser then) and your natural highest HGH release arrives

30-90 minutes after falling asleep. Your HGH levels are still a little elevated

in the morning, so don't eat carbs at all until about noon to keep those levels

up. Carbs sink HGH levels and HGH is what makes lean mass; every large carb

snack has the potential to drop HGH into the sewer for about 5 hours, immune

system activity too.

Sports nutritionist Brad King discusses that extensively in his book Fat Wars.

He is a proponent of amino acid triggers of HGH level, and of undenatured whey

the bioavailable protein and glutathione enhancer that builds muscle mass and

reduces fat.

all good,

Duncan

> > I start my morning with fresh lemon in my water, later I have Aloe

> > Vera juice with my liq. Acai pulp, then my perfect food green powder,

> > do my work-out,

>

> <snip>

>

> > This week I lost 3lbs in 4 days,

>

> Fyi, if weight loss is your goal, you should do your workouts in the

> evening...

>

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On 2011-07-25 11:50 AM, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

> Sports nutritionist Brad King discusses that extensively in his book Fat

> Wars. He is a proponent of amino acid triggers of HGH level, and of

> undenatured whey the bioavailable protein and glutathione enhancer that

> builds muscle mass and reduces fat.

Duncan - what do you think about taking a whey shake with the Somalife

right before bed?

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, and , One more thing

I find that when I eat more veggies, and raw fruits and vegies (large

portions of veggies, and small portions of my protein, (like one piece of

salmon or fish or chicken, and very small portions of other meat) No pork,

and no nitrates or MSG! ( Have to read labels) and smaller portions of

grains when I eat them I do much better on my weight. Also, Drink water

when you feel hungry, then later eat. Our body is often thirsty and not

hungry. Don't drink much while eating so you don't digest your food well. I

also take digestive enzymes right before I eat a meal. Not with my fruit or

snacks.

Have a blessed week!

Lori E

From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Cody

Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 9:13 AM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

,

Thanks for the info on your thyroid/reverse T3 problem... Do you have

hasimoto's

thyroid?

I can't lose weight either.. oh I lose it, but only when it wants to come

off..

I cycle, gain, then lose, always losing less then I gained. Doesn't matter

what

I am eating, how much or how little exercise I get... been doing this since

I

was 25.

This time, I held the gain to 20 lbs and seem to be losing again... I went

to

an endocronolgist last month and it was a wasted trip... she only checked

the

TSH, told me my thyroid was fine, said I probably have a slow metabolism,

but

doesn't the thyroid control your Metabolism?

So, other than eating real food, very little or no grains and cooking with

coconut oil, taking 1 tbl. of MCT oil, plus some exercise everyday , I

don't why I held the weight gain down... so I can't really help you...

And I

never know when the weight loss will start. I can't even lose weight on

Atkins.

But promise me if you every figure it out you will post it here and I will

do

the same...

________________________________

From: Cochrane <juliemc9@... <mailto:juliemc9%40gmail.com> >

Coconut Oil

<mailto:Coconut Oil%40>

Sent: Mon, July 25, 2011 5:07:07 AM

Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

Thanks Lori.

I'm on HC because of my adrenals. It was considered that my cortisol

production was too low to address with just supplements and without enough

cortisol taking thyroid medication just stresses the adrenals further and

often makes you worse.

And in answer to your email, , I take T3 only because I had a very high

Reverse T3. I had initially tried Natural Dessicated Thyroid but it made

no difference to my symptoms. So then I got my Reverse T3 tested and take

T3 only for that. I know some people go back on to Natural Dessicated

Thyroid once their RT3 clears, but it seems that many get a build up of

Reverse T3 again, so I've just stayed on the T3, although may try NDT again

some time. I noticed a difference in my symptoms about 10 days after

starting T3.

I know about the potential side effects from HC but my understanding is that

these are only a problem if you're taking too much i.e. have high cortisol

rather than normal. Although some people report weight gain on HC and I'm

not sure if it's added to my problem, but I'd put on about 20 kgs before

beginning HC.

I also have high estrogen now, so that could be a factor re. the weight.

Perhaps originally it was due to my thyroid but maybe now it's the high

estrogen keeping it on. I'm not sure why - it was normal and my

progesterone was low, so I've been using progesterone cream for about 12

months and my progesterone is still low but my estrogen is now high.

I have been able to lower my HC quite a bit and will try and swap to

supplements soon. What is the Nature's Sunshine one that you use please?

Thank-you for letting me know what you eat. I'm going to print it out and

look and re-arranging my diet seeing as the Nourishing Traditions/coconut

oil way doesn't seem to be helping right at the moment.

When did you start putting on weight with coconut oil? Did it initially

help you lose or maintain weight, before you swapped over to putting on

weight with it.

Thanks again,

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:58 PM, llje <llje@... <mailto:llje%40cox.net>

> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> Is there a good reason to be on Hydrocortisone? Is there a natural thing

> you

> could take instead? As far as I've know it makes people gain weight, not

to

> mention all the other side effect.

>

> I'm NOT a doctor and NOT telling you that Hydrocortisone is your problem,

> (but I would sure do some research on it and see if there is something

else

> you can do to replace that.)

>

> Over the years I have used different adrenal formulas, right now I'm on

> Natures sunshine one, ( I change around, because the body gets used to

> things.) I also used progesterone cream which seems to help. I used to

take

> thyroid herbal formulas, but right now I'm just taking 500mg L-Tyrosine in

> the morning on empty stomach. I have had to watch my weight since I was in

> Jr high school.now I'm 48, and I still have to watch it even more, but

> never

> let myself get over 10lbs extra, (holidays do it when I eat junk food etc)

> but I, like you, eat healthy the rest of the time, hardly any grains,

> breads, pasta starch or sugar, etc.. ( Ezekiel bread when I eat bread. Or

> tortillas when I make fish tacos), Lots of vegies and fruits, fish, some

> meat, raw nuts, and dark chocolate is my treat., I do eat organic yogurt.

I

> walk fast 25- 30 min daily, maybe run a few min. in between once in a

while

> and workout 20 min- 60 min, depends what day it is, what time I have to be

> at work, 3-6 days a week.

>

> I start my morning with fresh lemon in my water, later I have Aloe Vera

> juice with my liq. Acai pulp, then my perfect food green powder, do my

> work-out, drink my protein powder and take my morning supplements. 2-3

> hours later fruit and nuts, later maybe something with vegies, protein,

> salad etc. and dinner, vegies, salad, Salomon, cod, tuna stake, or

chicken,

> etc. I divide my supplements up in morning , lunch, and dinner, and then

> don't take them at least one or two days a week. On the off days if I take

> something it is normally enzymes, or Royal jelly or something else etc.. I

> only do coconut oil now on the days I don't take my fish oil and other

> supplements, because like you, I was gaining weight. I use olive oil more,

> and use flax oil and lemon juice on salad too. I eat avocadoes and nuts,

so

> I get plenty of fat. (Last time I checked my cholesterol it was only 125,

> the good was higher than the bad, which was nice to see, but I've heard

> that

> it's not good to have too low of cholesterol.) I do eat some cheese too,(

> sheep cheese from Sam's is good) I try not overdoing on that, (water

weight

> comes with cheese, at least for me, and don't think much dairy is good for

> the body.)

>

> This week I lost 3lbs in 4 days, the only thing I did different was use

DTE

> instead of my golden flax meal in my perfect food that I mix in water in

> the

> mornings. Maybe having the less fat before the workout from no flax meal?

> I'm not sure, but I've battled with 3- 5lbs for a while. To keep where I

> like I have to exercise, if I feel like it or not. And to stay on the

lower

> side of my weight I have to eat real healthy, more veggies. If I do too

> hard

> of workouts and strain my body too many days with not enough rest I find I

> don't lose as much weight, or when I don't get enough sleep.

>

> I hope there was something I said useful for you. Hope you have a blessed

> week that finds the lbs coming off!

>

> Lori E

>

> PS If you have inflammation or joint issues there is MSM, your Omegas,

> Hydraulic acid, Glucosamine, Turmeric & Bromelain, and antioxidants, etc..

> which you may already know.

>

> From: Coconut Oil

<mailto:Coconut Oil%40>

> [mailto:Coconut Oil

<mailto:Coconut Oil%40> ] On Behalf Of

> Cochrane

> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 4:26 PM

>

> Coconut Oil

<mailto:Coconut Oil%40>

> Subject: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

>

> I'm hoping to hear from people who struggled to lose weight even with

> coconut oil, once they developed thyroid issues. What worked for weight

> loss??

>

> I used to effortlessly lose weight following Eat Fat Lose Fat before I

> developed thyroid issues. The weight would just drop off when I wanted to

> lose some. However, it just doesn't work for me anymore. I just put on

> more weight.

>

> I know there must be answers but not sure what they are.

>

> I seem to be on the right medication now with Hydrocortisone, because I

was

> not producing enough cortisol, and which is now down to a low dose, and T3

> only. My temperatures have mostly stabilised. Most of my symptoms are

> gone - just not losing the weight I piled on. My diet is very good but I

> don't take coconut oil anymore because I was putting on weight with it -

> whereas in the past I'd lose weight with it. I have very few carbs in my

> diet now. Mostly just good fats and proteins. All the fats are certified

> organic apart from some cream which is just pure cream, without additives,

> but not organic.

>

>

>

>

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Hi ,

Yes I'll definitely tell you if I work out how to lose weight! I also have

hashimoto's but my real improvement in symptoms has been since beginning to

T3. I had to pay privately for a Reverse T3 test because I couldn't find a

doctor willing to do it - actually had doctors tell me Reverse T3 was

irrelevant. Most people with high Reverse T3 seem to start losing weight

by week 12 on T3 which is around when they clear the Reverse T3 from their

system but this didn't work for me. But again, maybe my estrogen was high

by this stage and this is what is stopping me losing weight.

I also don't lose weight on Atkins, even do it totally strictly, which is a

bit bizarre. I found one sentence in his book that said something like -

if you don't lose weight doing this, you have a thyroid issue.

I am not meant to do any exercise because of my adrenal fatigue, but I'm

hoping they've recovered enough to start some exercise soon. I used to be

reasonably fit - running regularly, but running never helped with weight

loss. Weight training seemed to be the only thing that helped - I didn't

actually lose weight but I must have lost fat and gained muscle because I

looked better. Now I'm just doing some stretching and qi gong and I walk

small distances reasonably regularly, because we have a small farm, but only

e.g. 500 metres. I'm keen to be able to get back to do even just a 2km run

a couple of times a week, and a 2km fast walk a couple of times a week.

I'm actually just trying the HCG Diet at the moment, out of total

desperation. However I'm on day 5 and this is the first day that I've lost

weight and it's only 1/2 kg (one pound) which is unusual but I now realise

that I might have been using soap that has oil in it - using even body

products with oil in them is a no no. At least I'm not hungry and have

plenty of energy but it's a rather drastic thing to do as you have 500

calories or less a day while taking HCG which is supposed to reset something

- can't even remember what now because I read about it some time ago and

decided to do it but had to wait until I had a few things out of the way

first, like travelling for work, so I knew I could do the food restrictions.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:12 AM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> ,

>

> Thanks for the info on your thyroid/reverse T3 problem... Do you have

> hasimoto's

> thyroid?

>

> I can't lose weight either.. oh I lose it, but only when it wants to come

> off..

> I cycle, gain, then lose, always losing less then I gained. Doesn't matter

> what

> I am eating, how much or how little exercise I get... been doing this since

> I

> was 25.

>

> This time, I held the gain to 20 lbs and seem to be losing again... I went

> to

> an endocronolgist last month and it was a wasted trip... she only checked

> the

> TSH, told me my thyroid was fine, said I probably have a slow metabolism,

> but

> doesn't the thyroid control your Metabolism?

>

> So, other than eating real food, very little or no grains and cooking with

> coconut oil, taking 1 tbl. of MCT oil, plus some exercise everyday , I

> don't why I held the weight gain down... so I can't really help

> you... And I

> never know when the weight loss will start. I can't even lose weight on

> Atkins.

>

> But promise me if you every figure it out you will post it here and I will

> do

> the same...

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Cochrane <juliemc9@...>

> Coconut Oil

> Sent: Mon, July 25, 2011 5:07:07 AM

> Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

>

>

> Thanks Lori.

>

> I'm on HC because of my adrenals. It was considered that my cortisol

> production was too low to address with just supplements and without enough

> cortisol taking thyroid medication just stresses the adrenals further and

> often makes you worse.

>

> And in answer to your email, , I take T3 only because I had a very

> high

> Reverse T3. I had initially tried Natural Dessicated Thyroid but it made

> no difference to my symptoms. So then I got my Reverse T3 tested and take

> T3 only for that. I know some people go back on to Natural Dessicated

> Thyroid once their RT3 clears, but it seems that many get a build up of

> Reverse T3 again, so I've just stayed on the T3, although may try NDT again

> some time. I noticed a difference in my symptoms about 10 days after

> starting T3.

>

> I know about the potential side effects from HC but my understanding is

> that

> these are only a problem if you're taking too much i.e. have high cortisol

> rather than normal. Although some people report weight gain on HC and I'm

> not sure if it's added to my problem, but I'd put on about 20 kgs before

> beginning HC.

>

> I also have high estrogen now, so that could be a factor re. the weight.

> Perhaps originally it was due to my thyroid but maybe now it's the high

> estrogen keeping it on. I'm not sure why - it was normal and my

> progesterone was low, so I've been using progesterone cream for about 12

> months and my progesterone is still low but my estrogen is now high.

>

> I have been able to lower my HC quite a bit and will try and swap to

> supplements soon. What is the Nature's Sunshine one that you use please?

>

> Thank-you for letting me know what you eat. I'm going to print it out and

> look and re-arranging my diet seeing as the Nourishing Traditions/coconut

> oil way doesn't seem to be helping right at the moment.

>

> When did you start putting on weight with coconut oil? Did it initially

> help you lose or maintain weight, before you swapped over to putting on

> weight with it.

>

> Thanks again,

>

>

>

> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:58 PM, llje <llje@...> wrote:

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > Is there a good reason to be on Hydrocortisone? Is there a natural thing

> > you

> > could take instead? As far as I've know it makes people gain weight, not

> to

> > mention all the other side effect.

> >

> > I'm NOT a doctor and NOT telling you that Hydrocortisone is your problem,

> > (but I would sure do some research on it and see if there is something

> else

> > you can do to replace that.)

> >

> > Over the years I have used different adrenal formulas, right now I'm on

> > Natures sunshine one, ( I change around, because the body gets used to

> > things.) I also used progesterone cream which seems to help. I used to

> take

> > thyroid herbal formulas, but right now I'm just taking 500mg L-Tyrosine

> in

> > the morning on empty stomach. I have had to watch my weight since I was

> in

> > Jr high school.now I'm 48, and I still have to watch it even more, but

> > never

> > let myself get over 10lbs extra, (holidays do it when I eat junk food

> etc)

> > but I, like you, eat healthy the rest of the time, hardly any grains,

> > breads, pasta starch or sugar, etc.. ( Ezekiel bread when I eat bread. Or

> > tortillas when I make fish tacos), Lots of vegies and fruits, fish, some

> > meat, raw nuts, and dark chocolate is my treat., I do eat organic yogurt.

> I

> > walk fast 25- 30 min daily, maybe run a few min. in between once in a

> while

> > and workout 20 min- 60 min, depends what day it is, what time I have to

> be

> > at work, 3-6 days a week.

> >

> > I start my morning with fresh lemon in my water, later I have Aloe Vera

> > juice with my liq. Acai pulp, then my perfect food green powder, do my

> > work-out, drink my protein powder and take my morning supplements. 2-3

> > hours later fruit and nuts, later maybe something with vegies, protein,

> > salad etc. and dinner, vegies, salad, Salomon, cod, tuna stake, or

> chicken,

> > etc. I divide my supplements up in morning , lunch, and dinner, and then

> > don't take them at least one or two days a week. On the off days if I

> take

> > something it is normally enzymes, or Royal jelly or something else etc..

> I

> > only do coconut oil now on the days I don't take my fish oil and other

> > supplements, because like you, I was gaining weight. I use olive oil

> more,

> > and use flax oil and lemon juice on salad too. I eat avocadoes and nuts,

> so

> > I get plenty of fat. (Last time I checked my cholesterol it was only 125,

> > the good was higher than the bad, which was nice to see, but I've heard

> > that

> > it's not good to have too low of cholesterol.) I do eat some cheese too,(

> > sheep cheese from Sam's is good) I try not overdoing on that, (water

> weight

> > comes with cheese, at least for me, and don't think much dairy is good

> for

> > the body.)

> >

> > This week I lost 3lbs in 4 days, the only thing I did different was use

> DTE

> > instead of my golden flax meal in my perfect food that I mix in water in

> > the

> > mornings. Maybe having the less fat before the workout from no flax meal?

> > I'm not sure, but I've battled with 3- 5lbs for a while. To keep where I

> > like I have to exercise, if I feel like it or not. And to stay on the

> lower

> > side of my weight I have to eat real healthy, more veggies. If I do too

> > hard

> > of workouts and strain my body too many days with not enough rest I find

> I

> > don't lose as much weight, or when I don't get enough sleep.

> >

> > I hope there was something I said useful for you. Hope you have a blessed

> > week that finds the lbs coming off!

> >

> > Lori E

> >

> > PS If you have inflammation or joint issues there is MSM, your Omegas,

> > Hydraulic acid, Glucosamine, Turmeric & Bromelain, and antioxidants,

> etc..

> > which you may already know.

> >

> > From: Coconut Oil

> > [mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of

> > Cochrane

> > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 4:26 PM

> >

> > Coconut Oil

> > Subject: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

> >

> > I'm hoping to hear from people who struggled to lose weight even with

> > coconut oil, once they developed thyroid issues. What worked for weight

> > loss??

> >

> > I used to effortlessly lose weight following Eat Fat Lose Fat before I

> > developed thyroid issues. The weight would just drop off when I wanted to

> > lose some. However, it just doesn't work for me anymore. I just put on

> > more weight.

> >

> > I know there must be answers but not sure what they are.

> >

> > I seem to be on the right medication now with Hydrocortisone, because I

> was

> > not producing enough cortisol, and which is now down to a low dose, and

> T3

> > only. My temperatures have mostly stabilised. Most of my symptoms are

> > gone - just not losing the weight I piled on. My diet is very good but I

> > don't take coconut oil anymore because I was putting on weight with it -

> > whereas in the past I'd lose weight with it. I have very few carbs in my

> > diet now. Mostly just good fats and proteins. All the fats are certified

> > organic apart from some cream which is just pure cream, without

> additives,

> > but not organic.

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Hi Duncan,

I rarely eat carbs full-stop. Some weeks I am carb free but when I am

eating carbs it will only be e.g. organic vanilla ice cream on Saturday

night, potatoes once a week, maybe a pkt of potato chips (potatoes, sea salt

and oil) once a week and the about 50ml of milk I have in my tea each day.

That's it. And I still don't lose weight!

But please if you or anyway else have any other suggestions, I'd happy to

hear them because I'm sure there's answers out there.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:50 AM, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Following ' line of thinking, if weight loss is your goal, then

> working out just before bedtime will trigger your HGH release (you can also

> take the amino acid HGH increaser then) and your natural highest HGH release

> arrives 30-90 minutes after falling asleep. Your HGH levels are still a

> little elevated in the morning, so don't eat carbs at all until about noon

> to keep those levels up. Carbs sink HGH levels and HGH is what makes lean

> mass; every large carb snack has the potential to drop HGH into the sewer

> for about 5 hours, immune system activity too.

>

> Sports nutritionist Brad King discusses that extensively in his book Fat

> Wars. He is a proponent of amino acid triggers of HGH level, and of

> undenatured whey the bioavailable protein and glutathione enhancer that

> builds muscle mass and reduces fat.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

>

> > > I start my morning with fresh lemon in my water, later I have Aloe

> > > Vera juice with my liq. Acai pulp, then my perfect food green powder,

> > > do my work-out,

> >

> > <snip>

> >

> > > This week I lost 3lbs in 4 days,

> >

> > Fyi, if weight loss is your goal, you should do your workouts in the

> > evening...

> >

>

>

>

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Hi Lori,

Once I finish this HCG diet I will try eating a lot more vegetables and a

smaller protein portion. I don't eat huge amounts of the protein portion

but I could still cut it down further.

I'm struggling to find bacon without nitrates now, which is a pity. We

have a couple of organice, free-range sources, but both are now using low

levels of nitrates and one is using dextrose, in the processing. We have

our own pigs but now piglets yet but, once we do, we can hopefully do our

own nitrate-free bacon.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 5:33 AM, llje <llje@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> , and , One more thing

>

> I find that when I eat more veggies, and raw fruits and vegies (large

> portions of veggies, and small portions of my protein, (like one piece of

> salmon or fish or chicken, and very small portions of other meat) No pork,

> and no nitrates or MSG! ( Have to read labels) and smaller portions of

> grains when I eat them I do much better on my weight. Also, Drink water

> when you feel hungry, then later eat. Our body is often thirsty and not

> hungry. Don't drink much while eating so you don't digest your food well. I

> also take digestive enzymes right before I eat a meal. Not with my fruit or

> snacks.

>

> Have a blessed week!

>

> Lori E

>

>

> From: Coconut Oil

> [mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Cody

> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 9:13 AM

>

> Coconut Oil

> Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

>

> ,

>

> Thanks for the info on your thyroid/reverse T3 problem... Do you have

> hasimoto's

> thyroid?

>

> I can't lose weight either.. oh I lose it, but only when it wants to come

> off..

> I cycle, gain, then lose, always losing less then I gained. Doesn't matter

> what

> I am eating, how much or how little exercise I get... been doing this since

> I

> was 25.

>

> This time, I held the gain to 20 lbs and seem to be losing again... I went

> to

> an endocronolgist last month and it was a wasted trip... she only checked

> the

> TSH, told me my thyroid was fine, said I probably have a slow metabolism,

> but

> doesn't the thyroid control your Metabolism?

>

> So, other than eating real food, very little or no grains and cooking with

> coconut oil, taking 1 tbl. of MCT oil, plus some exercise everyday , I

> don't why I held the weight gain down... so I can't really help you...

> And I

> never know when the weight loss will start. I can't even lose weight on

> Atkins.

>

> But promise me if you every figure it out you will post it here and I will

> do

> the same...

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Cochrane <juliemc9@... <mailto:juliemc9%40gmail.com> >

>

> Coconut Oil

> <mailto:Coconut Oil%40>

> Sent: Mon, July 25, 2011 5:07:07 AM

> Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

>

> Thanks Lori.

>

> I'm on HC because of my adrenals. It was considered that my cortisol

> production was too low to address with just supplements and without enough

> cortisol taking thyroid medication just stresses the adrenals further and

> often makes you worse.

>

> And in answer to your email, , I take T3 only because I had a very

> high

> Reverse T3. I had initially tried Natural Dessicated Thyroid but it made

> no difference to my symptoms. So then I got my Reverse T3 tested and take

> T3 only for that. I know some people go back on to Natural Dessicated

> Thyroid once their RT3 clears, but it seems that many get a build up of

> Reverse T3 again, so I've just stayed on the T3, although may try NDT again

> some time. I noticed a difference in my symptoms about 10 days after

> starting T3.

>

> I know about the potential side effects from HC but my understanding is

> that

> these are only a problem if you're taking too much i.e. have high cortisol

> rather than normal. Although some people report weight gain on HC and I'm

> not sure if it's added to my problem, but I'd put on about 20 kgs before

> beginning HC.

>

> I also have high estrogen now, so that could be a factor re. the weight.

> Perhaps originally it was due to my thyroid but maybe now it's the high

> estrogen keeping it on. I'm not sure why - it was normal and my

> progesterone was low, so I've been using progesterone cream for about 12

> months and my progesterone is still low but my estrogen is now high.

>

> I have been able to lower my HC quite a bit and will try and swap to

> supplements soon. What is the Nature's Sunshine one that you use please?

>

> Thank-you for letting me know what you eat. I'm going to print it out and

> look and re-arranging my diet seeing as the Nourishing Traditions/coconut

> oil way doesn't seem to be helping right at the moment.

>

> When did you start putting on weight with coconut oil? Did it initially

> help you lose or maintain weight, before you swapped over to putting on

> weight with it.

>

> Thanks again,

>

>

>

> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:58 PM, llje <llje@... <mailto:llje%40cox.net

> >

>

> > wrote:

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > Is there a good reason to be on Hydrocortisone? Is there a natural thing

> > you

> > could take instead? As far as I've know it makes people gain weight, not

> to

> > mention all the other side effect.

> >

> > I'm NOT a doctor and NOT telling you that Hydrocortisone is your problem,

> > (but I would sure do some research on it and see if there is something

> else

> > you can do to replace that.)

> >

> > Over the years I have used different adrenal formulas, right now I'm on

> > Natures sunshine one, ( I change around, because the body gets used to

> > things.) I also used progesterone cream which seems to help. I used to

> take

> > thyroid herbal formulas, but right now I'm just taking 500mg L-Tyrosine

> in

> > the morning on empty stomach. I have had to watch my weight since I was

> in

> > Jr high school.now I'm 48, and I still have to watch it even more, but

> > never

> > let myself get over 10lbs extra, (holidays do it when I eat junk food

> etc)

> > but I, like you, eat healthy the rest of the time, hardly any grains,

> > breads, pasta starch or sugar, etc.. ( Ezekiel bread when I eat bread. Or

> > tortillas when I make fish tacos), Lots of vegies and fruits, fish, some

> > meat, raw nuts, and dark chocolate is my treat., I do eat organic yogurt.

> I

> > walk fast 25- 30 min daily, maybe run a few min. in between once in a

> while

> > and workout 20 min- 60 min, depends what day it is, what time I have to

> be

> > at work, 3-6 days a week.

> >

> > I start my morning with fresh lemon in my water, later I have Aloe Vera

> > juice with my liq. Acai pulp, then my perfect food green powder, do my

> > work-out, drink my protein powder and take my morning supplements. 2-3

> > hours later fruit and nuts, later maybe something with vegies, protein,

> > salad etc. and dinner, vegies, salad, Salomon, cod, tuna stake, or

> chicken,

> > etc. I divide my supplements up in morning , lunch, and dinner, and then

> > don't take them at least one or two days a week. On the off days if I

> take

> > something it is normally enzymes, or Royal jelly or something else etc..

> I

> > only do coconut oil now on the days I don't take my fish oil and other

> > supplements, because like you, I was gaining weight. I use olive oil

> more,

> > and use flax oil and lemon juice on salad too. I eat avocadoes and nuts,

> so

> > I get plenty of fat. (Last time I checked my cholesterol it was only 125,

> > the good was higher than the bad, which was nice to see, but I've heard

> > that

> > it's not good to have too low of cholesterol.) I do eat some cheese too,(

> > sheep cheese from Sam's is good) I try not overdoing on that, (water

> weight

> > comes with cheese, at least for me, and don't think much dairy is good

> for

> > the body.)

> >

> > This week I lost 3lbs in 4 days, the only thing I did different was use

> DTE

> > instead of my golden flax meal in my perfect food that I mix in water in

> > the

> > mornings. Maybe having the less fat before the workout from no flax meal?

> > I'm not sure, but I've battled with 3- 5lbs for a while. To keep where I

> > like I have to exercise, if I feel like it or not. And to stay on the

> lower

> > side of my weight I have to eat real healthy, more veggies. If I do too

> > hard

> > of workouts and strain my body too many days with not enough rest I find

> I

> > don't lose as much weight, or when I don't get enough sleep.

> >

> > I hope there was something I said useful for you. Hope you have a blessed

> > week that finds the lbs coming off!

> >

> > Lori E

> >

> > PS If you have inflammation or joint issues there is MSM, your Omegas,

> > Hydraulic acid, Glucosamine, Turmeric & Bromelain, and antioxidants,

> etc..

> > which you may already know.

> >

> > From: Coconut Oil

> <mailto:Coconut Oil%40>

> > [mailto:Coconut Oil

> <mailto:Coconut Oil%40> ] On Behalf Of

>

> > Cochrane

> > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 4:26 PM

> >

> > Coconut Oil

> <mailto:Coconut Oil%40>

> > Subject: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

> >

> > I'm hoping to hear from people who struggled to lose weight even with

> > coconut oil, once they developed thyroid issues. What worked for weight

> > loss??

> >

> > I used to effortlessly lose weight following Eat Fat Lose Fat before I

> > developed thyroid issues. The weight would just drop off when I wanted to

> > lose some. However, it just doesn't work for me anymore. I just put on

> > more weight.

> >

> > I know there must be answers but not sure what they are.

> >

> > I seem to be on the right medication now with Hydrocortisone, because I

> was

> > not producing enough cortisol, and which is now down to a low dose, and

> T3

> > only. My temperatures have mostly stabilised. Most of my symptoms are

> > gone - just not losing the weight I piled on. My diet is very good but I

> > don't take coconut oil anymore because I was putting on weight with it -

> > whereas in the past I'd lose weight with it. I have very few carbs in my

> > diet now. Mostly just good fats and proteins. All the fats are certified

> > organic apart from some cream which is just pure cream, without

> additives,

> > but not organic.

> >

> >

> >

> >

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On 2011-07-25 4:57 PM, Cochrane <juliemc9@...> wrote:

> I am not meant to do any exercise because of my adrenal fatigue, but I'm

> hoping they've recovered enough to start some exercise soon. I used to be

> reasonably fit - running regularly, but running never helped with weight

> loss.

'Running' is the absolute worst form of exercise anyone could do (thank

god, because I hate it).

Even the 'father' of aerobics - Ken - now admits that 'targeted

heart rate' 'endurance exercise' is really bad for the body/heart in the

long run.

The best form of exercise is HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training),

done 2-3 times per week (20 minutes each session). This is the only way

to actually strengthen the heart and cardio-vascular system.

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Hi , the proponents of amino acid secretagogue usage all say to take it

on an empty stomach. It has to absorb kind of all at once.

What I do with secretagogues because I like to eat in the evening is take the

SomaLife gHP in the AM with orange juice, then because I skip breakfast I have a

whey shake about an hour later. So my HGH and IGF-1 are still high when the

bioavailable protein comes flooding into my tissues :)

I take colostrum when I take it in a morning or evening whey shake; this does

not increase HGH but directly supplies IGF-1 and several other mammalian growth

factors. In that case, anytime is OK.

all good,

Duncan

> > Sports nutritionist Brad King discusses that extensively in his book Fat

> > Wars. He is a proponent of amino acid triggers of HGH level, and of

> > undenatured whey the bioavailable protein and glutathione enhancer that

> > builds muscle mass and reduces fat.

>

> Duncan - what do you think about taking a whey shake with the Somalife

> right before bed?

>

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Hi , excess oil is more pure substance to store as fat than carbs are if

you can't burn it all. For weight maintenance you have to look at two things

besides diet: expenditure and metabolic rate at rest.

You know about expenditure. Exercise. The best exercise for people who are

biologically thrifty is rebounding. You'll tone all the fachia and muscles

faster than most effort because cells can't tell the difference between

deceleration and work. Even sit-bouncing moves lymph 14 times better than

jogging, so improve toxin and edema reduction.

Metabolic rate boils down to the amount of intake used up by, or in other words

the amount of energy put out by, the cells' energy centers the mitochondria.

Mitochondrial impairment or deletion resulting in syndrome X and outright cell

impairment and cell death can be improved so you burn more energy all the time.

Approaches to specific parts of the energy cycle include exercise, toxin

reduction and metabolic waste clearance, elevation of antioxidants especially

glutathione, (glutathione is used in both mitochondrial energy creation and free

radical damage protection to the mitochondria themselves), nutrients to address

the weakest links, foods and nutraceuticals that enhance growth or even sex

hormone values, and avoiding foods that suppress HGH release.

Optimising the system a bit in this way supplies raw materials, physically

unimpedes cell function and growth, spurs more fat burning (lean tissue burns

more fat than fat tissue does) and protects the mitochondria so they can be more

efficient, rather than actually rebuilding mitochondrial numbers. But with less

toxic/free radical pressure on the mitochondria they are free to grow gain and

at least last longer if you had been killing them off.

A look at the HGH research would be beneficial as a lot of it applies to the

reduction of dyslipidemia, which fits your quick description.

http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP

all good,

Duncan

> > > > I start my morning with fresh lemon in my water, later I have Aloe

> > > > Vera juice with my liq. Acai pulp, then my perfect food green powder,

> > > > do my work-out,

> > >

> > > <snip>

> > >

> > > > This week I lost 3lbs in 4 days,

> > >

> > > Fyi, if weight loss is your goal, you should do your workouts in the

> > > evening...

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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Hi Duncan, and all who may be looking at HGH, thought I'd share a coupon in

case anyone was interested.

I was researching HGH products and found one called Secratatropin HGH and I

went to many Google pages and it sounded good and had money back guarantee.

( they are very expensive, but if you buy more you get 2 free, and after

many pages I found the 40% off, which drops the price really good, and no

tax or shipping. 6 bottles goes from 299.00 to 179.00 and at the end of

checkout they ask if you want one more for 47.00. The coupon only worked on

the official site. Good until tomorrow, July 27th, for 40% off. Coupon

below this link. http://www.secratatropinhgh.com/

http://www.myonlinedeals.com/wp-content/themes/couponpress/_print.php?cid=72

<http://www.myonlinedeals.com/wp-content/themes/couponpress/_print.php?cid=7

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>

& lightbox%5Biframe%5D=true & lightbox%5Bwidth%5D=700 & lightbox%5Bheight%5D=450

If it doesn't come up the coupon # is, 40SECRA

Also I noticed you take colostrum even with the whey shake, I have taken it

only in the morning on empty stomach, do you think it would be as effective

if I waited until I drink my protein after my workout? But I also take other

supplements then? Or should I stay taken it first thing before anything

else?

Thank you!

Lori E

From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Duncan Crow

Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 9:08 PM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

Hi , the proponents of amino acid secretagogue usage all say to take

it on an empty stomach. It has to absorb kind of all at once.

What I do with secretagogues because I like to eat in the evening is take

the SomaLife gHP in the AM with orange juice, then because I skip breakfast

I have a whey shake about an hour later. So my HGH and IGF-1 are still high

when the bioavailable protein comes flooding into my tissues :)

I take colostrum when I take it in a morning or evening whey shake; this

does not increase HGH but directly supplies IGF-1 and several other

mammalian growth factors. In that case, anytime is OK.

all good,

Duncan

> > Sports nutritionist Brad King discusses that extensively in his book Fat

> > Wars. He is a proponent of amino acid triggers of HGH level, and of

> > undenatured whey the bioavailable protein and glutathione enhancer that

> > builds muscle mass and reduces fat.

>

> Duncan - what do you think about taking a whey shake with the Somalife

> right before bed?

>

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I don't know if I agree with running being the worst form of exercise. To some,

that is the only form of exercise they like and will do consistently. And anyone

who can run for 15-30-45 min of time or longer has a strong heart and good blood

circulation and oxygenation. Some argue that it is hard on the joints, but there

are lots of natural things you can do to feed your joints. I for one never had

any joint trouble, even thought I have always had weak wrists and ankles, the

ankles evidently strengthened when I ran because my running shoes never wore

badly, whereas my everyday walking shoes wear lopsided.

I miss running.

Lyn

________________________________

From: Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...>

 

On 2011-07-25 4:57 PM, Cochrane <juliemc9@...> wrote:

> I am not meant to do any exercise because of my adrenal fatigue, but I'm

> hoping they've recovered enough to start some exercise soon. I used to be

> reasonably fit - running regularly, but running never helped with weight

> loss.

'Running' is the absolute worst form of exercise anyone could do (thank

god, because I hate it).

Even the 'father' of aerobics - Ken - now admits that 'targeted

heart rate' 'endurance exercise' is really bad for the body/heart in the

long run.

The best form of exercise is HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training),

done 2-3 times per week (20 minutes each session). This is the only way

to actually strengthen the heart and cardio-vascular system.

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I have tried HCG. Didn't work for me. Made me very ill. Would not recommend

wasting your money...

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:32 PM, llje <llje@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Hi Duncan, and all who may be looking at HGH, thought I'd share a coupon in

> case anyone was interested.

>

> I was researching HGH products and found one called Secratatropin HGH and I

> went to many Google pages and it sounded good and had money back guarantee.

> ( they are very expensive, but if you buy more you get 2 free, and after

> many pages I found the 40% off, which drops the price really good, and no

> tax or shipping. 6 bottles goes from 299.00 to 179.00 and at the end of

> checkout they ask if you want one more for 47.00. The coupon only worked on

> the official site. Good until tomorrow, July 27th, for 40% off. Coupon

> below this link. http://www.secratatropinhgh.com/

>

>

> http://www.myonlinedeals.com/wp-content/themes/couponpress/_print.php?cid=72

> <

> http://www.myonlinedeals.com/wp-content/themes/couponpress/_print.php?cid=7

>

> 2 & lightbox%5Biframe%5D=true & lightbox%5Bwidth%5D=700 & lightbox%5Bheight%5D=450

> >

> & lightbox%5Biframe%5D=true & lightbox%5Bwidth%5D=700 & lightbox%5Bheight%5D=450

> If it doesn't come up the coupon # is, 40SECRA

>

> Also I noticed you take colostrum even with the whey shake, I have taken it

> only in the morning on empty stomach, do you think it would be as effective

> if I waited until I drink my protein after my workout? But I also take

> other

> supplements then? Or should I stay taken it first thing before anything

> else?

>

> Thank you!

>

> Lori E

>

> From: Coconut Oil

> [mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Duncan Crow

> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 9:08 PM

> Coconut Oil

> Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

>

> Hi , the proponents of amino acid secretagogue usage all say to take

> it on an empty stomach. It has to absorb kind of all at once.

>

> What I do with secretagogues because I like to eat in the evening is take

> the SomaLife gHP in the AM with orange juice, then because I skip breakfast

> I have a whey shake about an hour later. So my HGH and IGF-1 are still high

> when the bioavailable protein comes flooding into my tissues :)

>

> I take colostrum when I take it in a morning or evening whey shake; this

> does not increase HGH but directly supplies IGF-1 and several other

> mammalian growth factors. In that case, anytime is OK.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

>

> > > Sports nutritionist Brad King discusses that extensively in his book

> Fat

> > > Wars. He is a proponent of amino acid triggers of HGH level, and of

> > > undenatured whey the bioavailable protein and glutathione enhancer that

> > > builds muscle mass and reduces fat.

> >

> > Duncan - what do you think about taking a whey shake with the Somalife

> > right before bed?

> >

>

>

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Latest info on running is to do it barefoot.

http://www.barefootrunning.fas.harvard.edu/

C

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From: Lyn K <godisbest4me@...>

" Coconut Oil "

<Coconut Oil >

Sent: Tue, July 26, 2011 6:26:40 PM

Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

 

I don't know if I agree with running being the worst form of exercise. To some,

that is the only form of exercise they like and will do consistently. And anyone

who can run for 15-30-45 min of time or longer has a strong heart and good blood

circulation and oxygenation. Some argue that it is hard on the joints, but there

are lots of natural things you can do to feed your joints. I for one never had

any joint trouble, even thought I have always had weak wrists and ankles, the

ankles evidently strengthened when I ran because my running shoes never wore

badly, whereas my everyday walking shoes wear lopsided.

I miss running.

Lyn

________________________________

From: Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...>

 

On 2011-07-25 4:57 PM, Cochrane <juliemc9@...> wrote:

> I am not meant to do any exercise because of my adrenal fatigue, but I'm

> hoping they've recovered enough to start some exercise soon. I used to be

> reasonably fit - running regularly, but running never helped with weight

> loss.

'Running' is the absolute worst form of exercise anyone could do (thank

god, because I hate it).

Even the 'father' of aerobics - Ken - now admits that 'targeted

heart rate' 'endurance exercise' is really bad for the body/heart in the

long run.

The best form of exercise is HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training),

done 2-3 times per week (20 minutes each session). This is the only way

to actually strengthen the heart and cardio-vascular system.

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Barefoot running is great, at least has been for me. Got rid of an old knee

issue I've had since high school.

I actually gave up jogging and opted for tabata sprinting a couple times a

week. There's something to excessive jogging being catabolic, just look at

Marathon runners, they all look thin and sickly cause thats all they do.

Whereas sprinters are strong and muscular. It's the short bursts of high

intensity output that triggers the best hormonal response, especially hgh,

which in turn boosts metabolism and immune system, and overall fitness.

Yg

On Jul 26, 2011 5:37 PM, " Cody " <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> Latest info on running is to do it barefoot.

>

> http://www.barefootrunning.fas.harvard.edu/

>

> C

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Lyn K <godisbest4me@...>

> " Coconut Oil "

> <Coconut Oil >

> Sent: Tue, July 26, 2011 6:26:40 PM

> Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

>

>

> I don't know if I agree with running being the worst form of exercise. To

some,

> that is the only form of exercise they like and will do consistently. And

anyone

> who can run for 15-30-45 min of time or longer has a strong heart and good

blood

> circulation and oxygenation. Some argue that it is hard on the joints, but

there

> are lots of natural things you can do to feed your joints. I for one never

had

> any joint trouble, even thought I have always had weak wrists and ankles,

the

> ankles evidently strengthened when I ran because my running shoes never

wore

> badly, whereas my everyday walking shoes wear lopsided.

>

> I miss running.

>

> Lyn

>

> ________________________________

> From: Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...>

>

>

> On 2011-07-25 4:57 PM, Cochrane <juliemc9@...> wrote:

>> I am not meant to do any exercise because of my adrenal fatigue, but I'm

>> hoping they've recovered enough to start some exercise soon. I used to be

>> reasonably fit - running regularly, but running never helped with weight

>> loss.

>

> 'Running' is the absolute worst form of exercise anyone could do (thank

> god, because I hate it).

>

> Even the 'father' of aerobics - Ken - now admits that 'targeted

> heart rate' 'endurance exercise' is really bad for the body/heart in the

> long run.

>

> The best form of exercise is HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training),

> done 2-3 times per week (20 minutes each session). This is the only way

> to actually strengthen the heart and cardio-vascular system.

>

>

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On 2011-07-26 6:26 PM, Lyn K <godisbest4me@...> wrote:

> I don't know if I agree with running being the worst form of exercise.

> To some, that is the only form of exercise they like and will do

> consistently. And anyone who can run for 15-30-45 min of time or longer

> has a strong heart and good blood circulation and oxygenation.

False logic...

Why do long time runners just keel over and die of heart attacks?

The science is now sound and certain - standard 'aerobic' exercise

actually WEAKENS the heart and circulatory system.

http://www.peakfitnesstechnique.com/peak-8-exercises/overdoing-intense-aerobic-e\

xercises-is-bad-for-your-heart/

Look at nature... you never see animals jogging. In their native

environment, you see bursts of activity, followed by resting periods.

This is the proper way to train for a healthy heart/circulatory system.

But, feel free to train yourself to death if you like... you have been

warned.

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Pay no attention to tanstaafl.  The biggest problem people have with running is

the shoes they wear that cause hip, knee, ankle and foot injuries.  As far as

heart attacks, there is a build up of cholesterol in the arteries and veins of

the heart due to inflammation caused by the lousy food we eat and all the

unnatural chemicals we eat and breath.  So runner or not, if the

inflammation continues, you will keel over with a heart attack and die once the

blockages reaches critical mass.

We don't see animals running or jogging with shoes on either, but I noticed he

didn't mention that either. 

C 

________________________________

From: Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Wed, July 27, 2011 7:10:14 AM

Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

 

On 2011-07-26 6:26 PM, Lyn K <godisbest4me@...> wrote:

> I don't know if I agree with running being the worst form of exercise.

> To some, that is the only form of exercise they like and will do

> consistently. And anyone who can run for 15-30-45 min of time or longer

> has a strong heart and good blood circulation and oxygenation.

False logic...

Why do long time runners just keel over and die of heart attacks?

The science is now sound and certain - standard 'aerobic' exercise

actually WEAKENS the heart and circulatory system.

http://www.peakfitnesstechnique.com/peak-8-exercises/overdoing-intense-aerobic-e\

xercises-is-bad-for-your-heart/

Look at nature... you never see animals jogging. In their native

environment, you see bursts of activity, followed by resting periods.

This is the proper way to train for a healthy heart/circulatory system.

But, feel free to train yourself to death if you like... you have been

warned.

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On 2011-07-27 8:01 AM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> Pay no attention to tanstaafl.

Pay attention to only if you enjoy remaining ignorant...

Ignorance is bliss, they say...

> We don't see animals running or jogging with shoes on either, but I

> noticed he didn't mention that either.

You don't see them running/jogging with shoes OFF either...

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tanstaafl,

You must be extremely blissful then... lucky you. 

Running, in itself, isn't dangerous, as I said, its the shoes that cause injury

by forcing us into an unnatural running form and the inflammation in arteries

and veins causing cholesterol build up that causes heart attacks.

We lived hundreds of thousands of years without shoes then someone decided that

they could improve on nature and we know how well that tends to turn out.

And how does this statement make any sense what-so-ever? 

" You don't see them running/jogging with shoes OFF either... "

________________________________

From: Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Wed, July 27, 2011 8:05:41 AM

Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

 

On 2011-07-27 8:01 AM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> Pay no attention to tanstaafl.

Pay attention to only if you enjoy remaining ignorant...

Ignorance is bliss, they say...

> We don't see animals running or jogging with shoes on either, but I

> noticed he didn't mention that either.

You don't see them running/jogging with shoes OFF either...

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I think the point is that humans have evolved ever so slowly over millions

of years, and not until the last 60 or so has jogging ever been something

the body has been forced to do, and so it's not equipped to handle this sort

of ongoing stress. The body is used to short, acute periods of stress, say

from running away from a tiger, followed by periods of rest. I wish we could

say we evolve rapidly from one generation to the next to handle these sorts

of lifestyle changes but evidence doesn't support that.

It's possible that this sort of low level, ongoing stress is leading to

unnecessary inflamation.

Yg

On Jul 27, 2011 7:15 AM, " Cody " <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> tanstaafl,

>

> You must be extremely blissful then... lucky you.

>

> Running, in itself, isn't dangerous, as I said, its the shoes that cause

injury

> by forcing us into an unnatural running form and the inflammation in

arteries

> and veins causing cholesterol build up that causes heart attacks.

>

> We lived hundreds of thousands of years without shoes then someone decided

that

> they could improve on nature and we know how well that tends to turn out.

>

> And how does this statement make any sense what-so-ever?

>

> " You don't see them running/jogging with shoes OFF either... "

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...>

> Coconut Oil

> Sent: Wed, July 27, 2011 8:05:41 AM

> Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

>

>

> On 2011-07-27 8:01 AM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

>> Pay no attention to tanstaafl.

>

> Pay attention to only if you enjoy remaining ignorant...

>

> Ignorance is bliss, they say...

>

>> We don't see animals running or jogging with shoes on either, but I

>> noticed he didn't mention that either.

>

> You don't see them running/jogging with shoes OFF either...

>

>

>

>

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Read this...

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/07/barefoot/

and these

http://www.runnersworld.com/community/forums/runner-communities/barefoot-running\

/barefoot-distance

C

________________________________

From: yg <yg@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Wed, July 27, 2011 8:59:43 AM

Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

 

I think the point is that humans have evolved ever so slowly over millions

of years, and not until the last 60 or so has jogging ever been something

the body has been forced to do, and so it's not equipped to handle this sort

of ongoing stress. The body is used to short, acute periods of stress, say

from running away from a tiger, followed by periods of rest. I wish we could

say we evolve rapidly from one generation to the next to handle these sorts

of lifestyle changes but evidence doesn't support that.

It's possible that this sort of low level, ongoing stress is leading to

unnecessary inflamation.

Yg

On Jul 27, 2011 7:15 AM, " Cody " <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> tanstaafl,

>

> You must be extremely blissful then... lucky you.

>

> Running, in itself, isn't dangerous, as I said, its the shoes that cause

injury

> by forcing us into an unnatural running form and the inflammation in

arteries

> and veins causing cholesterol build up that causes heart attacks.

>

> We lived hundreds of thousands of years without shoes then someone decided

that

> they could improve on nature and we know how well that tends to turn out.

>

> And how does this statement make any sense what-so-ever?

>

> " You don't see them running/jogging with shoes OFF either... "

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...>

> Coconut Oil

> Sent: Wed, July 27, 2011 8:05:41 AM

> Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

>

>

> On 2011-07-27 8:01 AM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

>> Pay no attention to tanstaafl.

>

> Pay attention to only if you enjoy remaining ignorant...

>

> Ignorance is bliss, they say...

>

>> We don't see animals running or jogging with shoes on either, but I

>> noticed he didn't mention that either.

>

> You don't see them running/jogging with shoes OFF either...

>

>

>

>

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