Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

[Guest guest]

I have 2 pairs of vibrams, and I love them for Tabata sprinting, they've

corrected a long term knee issue, and I wear them on a daily basis when I'm

out and about. I would absolutely endorse them. I actually hate wearing

regular shoes now when I have to do business trips.

My earlier comments were not to imply that long distance, barefoot running

couldn't be done, anything can be done if you work hard enough at it.

However, my concerns stem from the long term effects of a constantly

elevated cortisol level when you put your body through that state on a

continual basis, which ends up being very catabolic to your muscles, joints,

connective tissue, etc. and causes inflammation in all of those areas.

I can only suggest ditching jogging for 1 month, and opt for some *high*

intensity interval training 2-3 times a week just to try it out. To each

his own I guess, I'm sure you'll settle into whatever you believe to be best

for yourself.

Cheers.

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

>

>

> Read this...

>

> http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/07/barefoot/

>

> and these

>

>

>

http://www.runnersworld.com/community/forums/runner-communities/barefoot-running\

/barefoot-distance

>

> C

>

> ________________________________

> From: yg <yg@...>

>

> Coconut Oil

> Sent: Wed, July 27, 2011 8:59:43 AM

>

> Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

>

>

> I think the point is that humans have evolved ever so slowly over millions

> of years, and not until the last 60 or so has jogging ever been something

> the body has been forced to do, and so it's not equipped to handle this

> sort

> of ongoing stress. The body is used to short, acute periods of stress, say

> from running away from a tiger, followed by periods of rest. I wish we

> could

> say we evolve rapidly from one generation to the next to handle these sorts

> of lifestyle changes but evidence doesn't support that.

>

> It's possible that this sort of low level, ongoing stress is leading to

> unnecessary inflamation.

>

> Yg

> On Jul 27, 2011 7:15 AM, " Cody " <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> > tanstaafl,

> >

> > You must be extremely blissful then... lucky you.

> >

> > Running, in itself, isn't dangerous, as I said, its the shoes that cause

> injury

> > by forcing us into an unnatural running form and the inflammation in

> arteries

> > and veins causing cholesterol build up that causes heart attacks.

> >

> > We lived hundreds of thousands of years without shoes then someone

> decided

> that

> > they could improve on nature and we know how well that tends to turn out.

> >

> > And how does this statement make any sense what-so-ever?

> >

> > " You don't see them running/jogging with shoes OFF either... "

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...>

> > Coconut Oil

> > Sent: Wed, July 27, 2011 8:05:41 AM

> > Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

> >

> >

> > On 2011-07-27 8:01 AM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> >> Pay no attention to tanstaafl.

> >

> > Pay attention to only if you enjoy remaining ignorant...

> >

> > Ignorance is bliss, they say...

> >

> >> We don't see animals running or jogging with shoes on either, but I

> >> noticed he didn't mention that either.

> >

> > You don't see them running/jogging with shoes OFF either...

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

On 2011-07-27 8:15 AM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> You must be extremely blissful then... lucky you.

You really don't want to get into a war with words with me ...

> Running, in itself, isn't dangerous,

You are wrong, but apparently blissfully so...

> as I said, its the shoes that cause injury by forcing us into an

> unnatural running form and the inflammation in arteries and veins

> causing cholesterol build up that causes heart attacks.

I wasn't talking about physical injury to joints, I was talking about

long term weakening of the heart muscle.

You're correct about plaque buildup, but cholesterol isn't the problem

either, that myth has been demolished long ago, but I see you are still

blissfully unaware of that one too.

> We lived hundreds of thousands of years without shoes then someone

> decided that they could improve on nature and we know how well that

> tends to turn out.

I didn't say that not wearing shoes wasn't more healthy than wearing

them - in fact I agree with that.

I was talking specifically about running/jogging as being UNhealthy, as

opposed to healthy - and I wasn't talking about the wear/tear on the

joints, although that is a concern, I'm talking about the UNnatural way

it 'exercises' the heart muscle, causing it to, in fact, get WEAKER over

time.

Believe what you want, but believing in a myth doesn't make it true.

HIIT is the proper way to exercise, if increasing heart

strength/endurance is your goal.

> And how does this statement make any sense what-so-ever?

>

> " You don't see them running/jogging with shoes OFF either... "

It is called reading comprehension...

They don't run/jog PERIOD...

[Guest guest]

Hi Llje, thanks for the link. Secretatrophin looks like a good secretagogue

formula, worth the $50 a bottle on the sale price.

If your stomach has been empty for a couple of hours you'll get better results

with a secretagogue.

In contrast, colostrum is not a secretagogue; it directly supplies IGF-1 and

other growth factors, so you don't need to take it on an empty stomach.

all good,

Duncan Crow

>

> Hi Duncan, and all who may be looking at HGH, thought I'd share a coupon in

> case anyone was interested.

>

>

>

> I was researching HGH products and found one called Secratatropin HGH and I

> went to many Google pages and it sounded good and had money back guarantee.

> ( they are very expensive, but if you buy more you get 2 free, and after

> many pages I found the 40% off, which drops the price really good, and no

> tax or shipping. 6 bottles goes from 299.00 to 179.00 and at the end of

> checkout they ask if you want one more for 47.00. The coupon only worked on

> the official site. Good until tomorrow, July 27th, for 40% off. Coupon

> below this link. http://www.secratatropinhgh.com/

>

>

> http://www.myonlinedeals.com/wp-content/themes/couponpress/_print.php?cid=72

> <http://www.myonlinedeals.com/wp-content/themes/couponpress/_print.php?cid=7

> 2 & lightbox%5Biframe%5D=true & lightbox%5Bwidth%5D=700 & lightbox%5Bheight%5D=450

> >

> & lightbox%5Biframe%5D=true & lightbox%5Bwidth%5D=700 & lightbox%5Bheight%5D=450

> If it doesn't come up the coupon # is, 40SECRA

>

>

>

> Also I noticed you take colostrum even with the whey shake, I have taken it

> only in the morning on empty stomach, do you think it would be as effective

> if I waited until I drink my protein after my workout? But I also take other

> supplements then? Or should I stay taken it first thing before anything

> else?

>

> Thank you!

>

> Lori E

>

[Guest guest]

Me?  I couldn't run if my life depended on it, except in my dreams....  which,

come to think of it, I have had a number of dreams involving running

recently....  I walk my dog and use my rebounder and stay barefoot as much as I

can...

And I would love a pair of vibrams and hope to get some soon.

C 

________________________________

From: yg <yg@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Wed, July 27, 2011 10:00:03 AM

Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

I have 2 pairs of vibrams, and I love them for Tabata sprinting, they've

corrected a long term knee issue, and I wear them on a daily basis when I'm

out and about.  I would absolutely endorse them.  I actually hate wearing

regular shoes now when I have to do business trips.

My earlier comments were not to imply that long distance, barefoot running

couldn't be done, anything can be done if you work hard enough at it.

However, my concerns stem from the long term effects of a constantly

elevated cortisol level when you put your body through that state on a

continual basis, which ends up being very catabolic to your muscles, joints,

connective tissue, etc. and causes inflammation in all of those areas.

I can only suggest ditching jogging for 1 month, and opt for some *high*

intensity interval training 2-3 times a week just to try it out.  To each

his own I guess, I'm sure you'll settle into whatever you believe to be best

for yourself.

Cheers.

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

>

>

> Read this...

>

> http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/07/barefoot/

>

> and these

>

>

>http://www.runnersworld.com/community/forums/runner-communities/barefoot-runnin\

g/barefoot-distance

>e

>

> C

>

> ________________________________

> From: yg <yg@...>

>

> Coconut Oil

> Sent: Wed, July 27, 2011 8:59:43 AM

>

> Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

>

>

> I think the point is that humans have evolved ever so slowly over millions

> of years, and not until the last 60 or so has jogging ever been something

> the body has been forced to do, and so it's not equipped to handle this

> sort

> of ongoing stress. The body is used to short, acute periods of stress, say

> from running away from a tiger, followed by periods of rest. I wish we

> could

> say we evolve rapidly from one generation to the next to handle these sorts

> of lifestyle changes but evidence doesn't support that.

>

> It's possible that this sort of low level, ongoing stress is leading to

> unnecessary inflamation.

>

> Yg

> On Jul 27, 2011 7:15 AM, " Cody " <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> > tanstaafl,

> >

> > You must be extremely blissful then... lucky you.

> >

> > Running, in itself, isn't dangerous, as I said, its the shoes that cause

> injury

> > by forcing us into an unnatural running form and the inflammation in

> arteries

> > and veins causing cholesterol build up that causes heart attacks.

> >

> > We lived hundreds of thousands of years without shoes then someone

> decided

> that

> > they could improve on nature and we know how well that tends to turn out.

> >

> > And how does this statement make any sense what-so-ever?

> >

> > " You don't see them running/jogging with shoes OFF either... "

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...>

> > Coconut Oil

> > Sent: Wed, July 27, 2011 8:05:41 AM

> > Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

> >

> >

> > On 2011-07-27 8:01 AM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> >> Pay no attention to tanstaafl.

> >

> > Pay attention to only if you enjoy remaining ignorant...

> >

> > Ignorance is bliss, they say...

> >

> >> We don't see animals running or jogging with shoes on either, but I

> >> noticed he didn't mention that either.

> >

> > You don't see them running/jogging with shoes OFF either...

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

> Why do long time runners just keel over and die of heart attacks?

Anti aging doctors I know are also the doctors for the annual triathlon

competition in Penticton. They tell us they have never seen anybody in worse

condition than the triathletes. These people know how to do carb loading before

a race all right but they don't know antioxidants are what they need to prevent

the excessive exercise-induced oxidative stress that prematurely ages them.

Two athletes I know turned in their best times ever even though they were

already in their mid-forties, by starting on an undenatured whey and selenium

program. Olympic teams are using the approach because up to 13% more work, more

output, can be accomplished when glutathione is kept high.

all good,

Duncan

>

The science is now sound and certain - standard 'aerobic' exercise

> actually WEAKENS the heart and circulatory system.

>

>

http://www.peakfitnesstechnique.com/peak-8-exercises/overdoing-intense-aerobic-e\

xercises-is-bad-for-your-heart/

>

> Look at nature... you never see animals jogging. In their native

> environment, you see bursts of activity, followed by resting periods.

>

> This is the proper way to train for a healthy heart/circulatory system.

>

> But, feel free to train yourself to death if you like... you have been

> warned.

>

[Guest guest]

My stride vibrates my body a lot less when I jog on the balls of my feet the

" natural " way. I feel sorry for the people who land on their heels because they

have a heel on their shoe. They wouldn't land on their heels if they ran

barefoot.

I concur that long distance running isn't as good for you as a good primeval

" hot pursuit " that lasts only 10-20 minutes.

all good,

Duncan

>

>

>

> Read this...

>

> http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/07/barefoot/

>

> and these

>

>

http://www.runnersworld.com/community/forums/runner-communities/barefoot-running\

/barefoot-distance

>

>

> C

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: yg <yg@...>

> Coconut Oil

> Sent: Wed, July 27, 2011 8:59:43 AM

> Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

>

>  

> I think the point is that humans have evolved ever so slowly over millions

> of years, and not until the last 60 or so has jogging ever been something

> the body has been forced to do, and so it's not equipped to handle this sort

> of ongoing stress. The body is used to short, acute periods of stress, say

> from running away from a tiger, followed by periods of rest.

[Guest guest]

I searched the net and cannot find any conclusive evidence that it is the

running that is causing heart problems, only guesses. 

And guess what, the heart does weaken over the long term whether you run or not,

it is called aging and they can't prove that it is the running doing it.  They

are just guessing. 

There is a tribe in Mexico that regularly run 150 miles for the shear fun of

it,

barefoot.

It could be that the utter seriousness in which western people take their

running and exercise is what is causing the stress which in turn causes

inflammation which causes buildup in the arteries which causes the heart

muscles

to weaken that in turn drops you dead from a heart attack. 

Your last sentence still makes no sense in any way, shape, or form.  You

should

see my dog barefoot run..  she is amazing.  And she runs with sheer joy... no

stress there. 

C

________________________________

From: Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Wed, July 27, 2011 10:21:16 AM

Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

 

On 2011-07-27 8:15 AM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> You must be extremely blissful then... lucky you.

You really don't want to get into a war with words with me ...

> Running, in itself, isn't dangerous,

You are wrong, but apparently blissfully so...

> as I said, its the shoes that cause injury by forcing us into an

> unnatural running form and the inflammation in arteries and veins

> causing cholesterol build up that causes heart attacks.

I wasn't talking about physical injury to joints, I was talking about

long term weakening of the heart muscle.

You're correct about plaque buildup, but cholesterol isn't the problem

either, that myth has been demolished long ago, but I see you are still

blissfully unaware of that one too.

> We lived hundreds of thousands of years without shoes then someone

> decided that they could improve on nature and we know how well that

> tends to turn out.

I didn't say that not wearing shoes wasn't more healthy than wearing

them - in fact I agree with that.

I was talking specifically about running/jogging as being UNhealthy, as

opposed to healthy - and I wasn't talking about the wear/tear on the

joints, although that is a concern, I'm talking about the UNnatural way

it 'exercises' the heart muscle, causing it to, in fact, get WEAKER over

time.

Believe what you want, but believing in a myth doesn't make it true.

HIIT is the proper way to exercise, if increasing heart

strength/endurance is your goal.

> And how does this statement make any sense what-so-ever?

>

> " You don't see them running/jogging with shoes OFF either... "

It is called reading comprehension...

They don't run/jog PERIOD...

[Guest guest]

, you could probably achieve a pretty high intensity work out from just

" trying " to sprint for a few minutes. Intensity is relative, so you

wouldn't need to match say a Carl or Ben to get the same

hormonal and physiological response. Your body would eventually adapt and

it would get easier, which would require you to push yourself even harder.

Exercise in short high intensity bursts like your life depended on

it...cause it does

Good luck.

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Me? I couldn't run if my life depended on it, except in my dreams....

> which,

> come to think of it, I have had a number of dreams involving running

> recently.... I walk my dog and use my rebounder and stay barefoot as much

> as I

> can...

>

> And I would love a pair of vibrams and hope to get some soon.

>

>

> C

>

> ________________________________

> From: yg <yg@...>

> Coconut Oil

> Sent: Wed, July 27, 2011 10:00:03 AM

>

> Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

>

> I have 2 pairs of vibrams, and I love them for Tabata sprinting, they've

> corrected a long term knee issue, and I wear them on a daily basis when I'm

> out and about. I would absolutely endorse them. I actually hate wearing

> regular shoes now when I have to do business trips.

>

> My earlier comments were not to imply that long distance, barefoot running

> couldn't be done, anything can be done if you work hard enough at it.

> However, my concerns stem from the long term effects of a constantly

> elevated cortisol level when you put your body through that state on a

> continual basis, which ends up being very catabolic to your muscles,

> joints,

> connective tissue, etc. and causes inflammation in all of those areas.

>

> I can only suggest ditching jogging for 1 month, and opt for some *high*

> intensity interval training 2-3 times a week just to try it out. To each

> his own I guess, I'm sure you'll settle into whatever you believe to be

> best

> for yourself.

>

> Cheers.

>

> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

>

> > **

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Read this...

> >

> > http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/07/barefoot/

> >

> > and these

> >

> >

> >

>

http://www.runnersworld.com/community/forums/runner-communities/barefoot-running\

/barefoot-distance

> >e

> >

> > C

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: yg <yg@...>

> >

> > Coconut Oil

> > Sent: Wed, July 27, 2011 8:59:43 AM

> >

> > Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

> >

> >

> > I think the point is that humans have evolved ever so slowly over

> millions

> > of years, and not until the last 60 or so has jogging ever been something

> > the body has been forced to do, and so it's not equipped to handle this

> > sort

> > of ongoing stress. The body is used to short, acute periods of stress,

> say

> > from running away from a tiger, followed by periods of rest. I wish we

> > could

> > say we evolve rapidly from one generation to the next to handle these

> sorts

> > of lifestyle changes but evidence doesn't support that.

> >

> > It's possible that this sort of low level, ongoing stress is leading to

> > unnecessary inflamation.

> >

> > Yg

> > On Jul 27, 2011 7:15 AM, " Cody " <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> > > tanstaafl,

> > >

> > > You must be extremely blissful then... lucky you.

> > >

> > > Running, in itself, isn't dangerous, as I said, its the shoes that

> cause

> > injury

> > > by forcing us into an unnatural running form and the inflammation in

> > arteries

> > > and veins causing cholesterol build up that causes heart attacks.

> > >

> > > We lived hundreds of thousands of years without shoes then someone

> > decided

> > that

> > > they could improve on nature and we know how well that tends to turn

> out.

> > >

> > > And how does this statement make any sense what-so-ever?

> > >

> > > " You don't see them running/jogging with shoes OFF either... "

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > From: Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...>

> > > Coconut Oil

> > > Sent: Wed, July 27, 2011 8:05:41 AM

> > > Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

> > >

> > >

> > > On 2011-07-27 8:01 AM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> > >> Pay no attention to tanstaafl.

> > >

> > > Pay attention to only if you enjoy remaining ignorant...

> > >

> > > Ignorance is bliss, they say...

> > >

> > >> We don't see animals running or jogging with shoes on either, but I

> > >> noticed he didn't mention that either.

> > >

> > > You don't see them running/jogging with shoes OFF either...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I'll have to withdraw my support for Secratatropin and Growtropin, which seems

to be the same formula, until the company divulges the actual ingredients ratio.

Without it it's hard to tell if the dose is large enough or the ratio of

ingredients is accurate enough to do anything.

I mean, the ingredients list is fine but it seems eight or perhaps ten capsules

daily may be required because 10 ingredients take up a lot of space in a

capsule. The 1200 mg lysine and 1200 or higher of arginine and ornithine are the

basis you would build on because they are synergistic HGH releasers; anything

less, even with GABA, 5-HTP, choline, glutamine or other amino acids doesn't hit

the synergy sweet spot and the blend is therefore weak overall.

So if anyone comes up with the closely-guarded secret formulas for Secratatropin

and Growtropin, please post them for discussion.

all good,

Duncan

> >

> > Hi Duncan, and all who may be looking at HGH, thought I'd share a coupon in

> > case anyone was interested.

> >

> >

> >

> > I was researching HGH products and found one called Secratatropin HGH and I

> > went to many Google pages and it sounded good and had money back guarantee.

> > ( they are very expensive, but if you buy more you get 2 free, and after

> > many pages I found the 40% off, which drops the price really good, and no

> > tax or shipping. 6 bottles goes from 299.00 to 179.00 and at the end of

> > checkout they ask if you want one more for 47.00. The coupon only worked on

> > the official site. Good until tomorrow, July 27th, for 40% off. Coupon

> > below this link. http://www.secratatropinhgh.com/

> >

> >

> > http://www.myonlinedeals.com/wp-content/themes/couponpress/_print.php?cid=72

> > <http://www.myonlinedeals.com/wp-content/themes/couponpress/_print.php?cid=7

> > 2 & lightbox%5Biframe%5D=true & lightbox%5Bwidth%5D=700 & lightbox%5Bheight%5D=450

> > >

> > & lightbox%5Biframe%5D=true & lightbox%5Bwidth%5D=700 & lightbox%5Bheight%5D=450

> > If it doesn't come up the coupon # is, 40SECRA

> >

> >

> >

> > Also I noticed you take colostrum even with the whey shake, I have taken it

> > only in the morning on empty stomach, do you think it would be as effective

> > if I waited until I drink my protein after my workout? But I also take other

> > supplements then? Or should I stay taken it first thing before anything

> > else?

> >

> > Thank you!

> >

> > Lori E

> >

>

[Guest guest]

No.. I have 41% lung function..  no running.. walking will have to suffice.

________________________________

From: yg <yg@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Wed, July 27, 2011 11:01:06 AM

Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

, you could probably achieve a pretty high intensity work out from just

" trying " to sprint for a few minutes.  Intensity is relative, so you

wouldn't need to match say a Carl or Ben to get the same

hormonal and physiological response.  Your body would eventually adapt and

it would get easier, which would require you to push yourself even harder.

Exercise in short high intensity bursts like your life depended on

it...cause it does

Good luck.

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Me?  I couldn't run if my life depended on it, except in my dreams....

> which,

> come to think of it, I have had a number of dreams involving running

> recently....  I walk my dog and use my rebounder and stay barefoot as much

> as I

> can...

>

> And I would love a pair of vibrams and hope to get some soon.

>

>

> C

>

> ________________________________

> From: yg <yg@...>

> Coconut Oil

> Sent: Wed, July 27, 2011 10:00:03 AM

>

> Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

>

> I have 2 pairs of vibrams, and I love them for Tabata sprinting, they've

> corrected a long term knee issue, and I wear them on a daily basis when I'm

> out and about.  I would absolutely endorse them.  I actually hate wearing

> regular shoes now when I have to do business trips.

>

> My earlier comments were not to imply that long distance, barefoot running

> couldn't be done, anything can be done if you work hard enough at it.

> However, my concerns stem from the long term effects of a constantly

> elevated cortisol level when you put your body through that state on a

> continual basis, which ends up being very catabolic to your muscles,

> joints,

> connective tissue, etc. and causes inflammation in all of those areas.

>

> I can only suggest ditching jogging for 1 month, and opt for some *high*

> intensity interval training 2-3 times a week just to try it out.  To each

> his own I guess, I'm sure you'll settle into whatever you believe to be

> best

> for yourself.

>

> Cheers.

>

> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

>

> > **

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Read this...

> >

> > http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/07/barefoot/

> >

> > and these

> >

> >

> >

>http://www.runnersworld.com/community/forums/runner-communities/barefoot-runnin\

g/barefoot-distance

>e

> >e

> >

> > C

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: yg <yg@...>

> >

> > Coconut Oil

> > Sent: Wed, July 27, 2011 8:59:43 AM

> >

> > Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

> >

> >

> > I think the point is that humans have evolved ever so slowly over

> millions

> > of years, and not until the last 60 or so has jogging ever been something

> > the body has been forced to do, and so it's not equipped to handle this

> > sort

> > of ongoing stress. The body is used to short, acute periods of stress,

> say

> > from running away from a tiger, followed by periods of rest. I wish we

> > could

> > say we evolve rapidly from one generation to the next to handle these

> sorts

> > of lifestyle changes but evidence doesn't support that.

> >

> > It's possible that this sort of low level, ongoing stress is leading to

> > unnecessary inflamation.

> >

> > Yg

> > On Jul 27, 2011 7:15 AM, " Cody " <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> > > tanstaafl,

> > >

> > > You must be extremely blissful then... lucky you.

> > >

> > > Running, in itself, isn't dangerous, as I said, its the shoes that

> cause

> > injury

> > > by forcing us into an unnatural running form and the inflammation in

> > arteries

> > > and veins causing cholesterol build up that causes heart attacks.

> > >

> > > We lived hundreds of thousands of years without shoes then someone

> > decided

> > that

> > > they could improve on nature and we know how well that tends to turn

> out.

> > >

> > > And how does this statement make any sense what-so-ever?

> > >

> > > " You don't see them running/jogging with shoes OFF either... "

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > From: Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...>

> > > Coconut Oil

> > > Sent: Wed, July 27, 2011 8:05:41 AM

> > > Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

> > >

> > >

> > > On 2011-07-27 8:01 AM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> > >> Pay no attention to tanstaafl.

> > >

> > > Pay attention to only if you enjoy remaining ignorant...

> > >

> > > Ignorance is bliss, they say...

> > >

> > >> We don't see animals running or jogging with shoes on either, but I

> > >> noticed he didn't mention that either.

> > >

> > > You don't see them running/jogging with shoes OFF either...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

No.. I have 41% lung function..  no running.. walking will have to suffice.

________________________________

From: yg <yg@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Wed, July 27, 2011 11:01:06 AM

Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

, you could probably achieve a pretty high intensity work out from just

" trying " to sprint for a few minutes.  Intensity is relative, so you

wouldn't need to match say a Carl or Ben to get the same

hormonal and physiological response.  Your body would eventually adapt and

it would get easier, which would require you to push yourself even harder.

Exercise in short high intensity bursts like your life depended on

it...cause it does

Good luck.

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Me?  I couldn't run if my life depended on it, except in my dreams....

> which,

> come to think of it, I have had a number of dreams involving running

> recently....  I walk my dog and use my rebounder and stay barefoot as much

> as I

> can...

>

> And I would love a pair of vibrams and hope to get some soon.

>

>

> C

>

> ________________________________

> From: yg <yg@...>

> Coconut Oil

> Sent: Wed, July 27, 2011 10:00:03 AM

>

> Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

>

> I have 2 pairs of vibrams, and I love them for Tabata sprinting, they've

> corrected a long term knee issue, and I wear them on a daily basis when I'm

> out and about.  I would absolutely endorse them.  I actually hate wearing

> regular shoes now when I have to do business trips.

>

> My earlier comments were not to imply that long distance, barefoot running

> couldn't be done, anything can be done if you work hard enough at it.

> However, my concerns stem from the long term effects of a constantly

> elevated cortisol level when you put your body through that state on a

> continual basis, which ends up being very catabolic to your muscles,

> joints,

> connective tissue, etc. and causes inflammation in all of those areas.

>

> I can only suggest ditching jogging for 1 month, and opt for some *high*

> intensity interval training 2-3 times a week just to try it out.  To each

> his own I guess, I'm sure you'll settle into whatever you believe to be

> best

> for yourself.

>

> Cheers.

>

> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

>

> > **

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Read this...

> >

> > http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/07/barefoot/

> >

> > and these

> >

> >

> >

>http://www.runnersworld.com/community/forums/runner-communities/barefoot-runnin\

g/barefoot-distance

>e

> >e

> >

> > C

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: yg <yg@...>

> >

> > Coconut Oil

> > Sent: Wed, July 27, 2011 8:59:43 AM

> >

> > Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

> >

> >

> > I think the point is that humans have evolved ever so slowly over

> millions

> > of years, and not until the last 60 or so has jogging ever been something

> > the body has been forced to do, and so it's not equipped to handle this

> > sort

> > of ongoing stress. The body is used to short, acute periods of stress,

> say

> > from running away from a tiger, followed by periods of rest. I wish we

> > could

> > say we evolve rapidly from one generation to the next to handle these

> sorts

> > of lifestyle changes but evidence doesn't support that.

> >

> > It's possible that this sort of low level, ongoing stress is leading to

> > unnecessary inflamation.

> >

> > Yg

> > On Jul 27, 2011 7:15 AM, " Cody " <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> > > tanstaafl,

> > >

> > > You must be extremely blissful then... lucky you.

> > >

> > > Running, in itself, isn't dangerous, as I said, its the shoes that

> cause

> > injury

> > > by forcing us into an unnatural running form and the inflammation in

> > arteries

> > > and veins causing cholesterol build up that causes heart attacks.

> > >

> > > We lived hundreds of thousands of years without shoes then someone

> > decided

> > that

> > > they could improve on nature and we know how well that tends to turn

> out.

> > >

> > > And how does this statement make any sense what-so-ever?

> > >

> > > " You don't see them running/jogging with shoes OFF either... "

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > From: Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...>

> > > Coconut Oil

> > > Sent: Wed, July 27, 2011 8:05:41 AM

> > > Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

> > >

> > >

> > > On 2011-07-27 8:01 AM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> > >> Pay no attention to tanstaafl.

> > >

> > > Pay attention to only if you enjoy remaining ignorant...

> > >

> > > Ignorance is bliss, they say...

> > >

> > >> We don't see animals running or jogging with shoes on either, but I

> > >> noticed he didn't mention that either.

> > >

> > > You don't see them running/jogging with shoes OFF either...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

On 2011-07-27 10:58 AM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> I searched the net and cannot find any conclusive evidence that it is the

> running that is causing heart problems, only guesses.

Blissful, isn't it?

> And guess what, the heart does weaken over the long term whether you

> run or not, it is called aging

Wrong again... what most people consider symptoms of 'aging' are

symptoms of chronic malnutrition and/or poor lifestyle choices.

> and they can't prove that it is the running doing it. They are just

> guessing.

No, they're not... but you are free to believe whatever you're

pre-conceived notions tell you to believe... blissful, isn't it?

> There is a tribe in Mexico that regularly run 150 miles for the

> shear fun of it, barefoot.

But they don't 'jog' for exercise, and when they run, they *run* (more

like sprinting), they don't 'jog'...

> Your last sentence still makes no sense in any way, shape, or form.

Only for those with under-developed reading comprehension skills.

> You should see my dog barefoot run.. she is amazing. And she runs

> with sheer joy... no stress there.

She doesn't 'jog', she 'runs'... in natural bursts of speed followed by

short resting periods...

Dogs only 'jog' when they are on a leash when their owner is jogging...

[Guest guest]

On 2011-07-27 11:10 AM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> No.. I have 41% lung function.. no running.. walking will have to suffice.

The only way to *build* lung function (and heart function) is to

exercise it *beyond* tolerance...

HIIT...

Jogging would probably kill you quick...

[Guest guest]

Gee, you cut out and did not respond to the best part of my response.

" It could be that the utter seriousness in which western people take their

running and exercise is what is causing the stress which in turn causes

inflammation which causes buildup in the arteries which causes the heart

muscles

to weaken that in turn drops you dead from a heart attack. 

Your last sentence still makes no sense in any way, shape, or form.  You

should

see my dog barefoot run..  she is amazing.  And she runs with sheer joy... no

stress there.  "

And since you say they are sprinting, they are also running flat out and back

and forth and having fun, so my para on how stress can occur and affect the

heart may be right on the money..

And since you acknowldege the lifestyle of modern humans contributes to their

health, then my statement is still true as long as we live this way.. the heart

will weaken and we die. 

So assuming a good lifestyle, more natural, and not making running the end all

and be all and how fast did I run, how many miles did I do...blah blah

blah.... 

maybe we are made for running... and it is just modern life that is killing us..

not the running!

Guess we are done as neither of us will budge on this one. 

Thanks,

C.

________________________________

From: Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Wed, July 27, 2011 12:04:47 PM

Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

 

On 2011-07-27 10:58 AM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> I searched the net and cannot find any conclusive evidence that it is the

> running that is causing heart problems, only guesses.

Blissful, isn't it?

> And guess what, the heart does weaken over the long term whether you

> run or not, it is called aging

Wrong again... what most people consider symptoms of 'aging' are

symptoms of chronic malnutrition and/or poor lifestyle choices.

> and they can't prove that it is the running doing it. They are just

> guessing.

No, they're not... but you are free to believe whatever you're

pre-conceived notions tell you to believe... blissful, isn't it?

> There is a tribe in Mexico that regularly run 150 miles for the

> shear fun of it, barefoot.

But they don't 'jog' for exercise, and when they run, they *run* (more

like sprinting), they don't 'jog'...

> Your last sentence still makes no sense in any way, shape, or form.

Only for those with under-developed reading comprehension skills.

> You should see my dog barefoot run.. she is amazing. And she runs

> with sheer joy... no stress there.

She doesn't 'jog', she 'runs'... in natural bursts of speed followed by

short resting periods...

Dogs only 'jog' when they are on a leash when their owner is jogging...

[Guest guest]

________________________________

From: Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Wed, July 27, 2011 12:07:20 PM

Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

 

On 2011-07-27 11:10 AM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> No.. I have 41% lung function.. no running.. walking will have to suffice.

The only way to *build* lung function (and heart function) is to

exercise it *beyond* tolerance...

THAT IS WHAT I DO.... KEEP PUSHING IT...

HIIT...

WHAT DOES " HIIT " STAND FOR?

Jogging would probably kill you quick...

YES IT JUST MIGHT DO ME IN.... 

 

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Never mind... I looked it up.. " HIIT " that is.

________________________________

From: Cody <lecody2001@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Wed, July 27, 2011 12:20:52 PM

Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

 

________________________________

From: Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Wed, July 27, 2011 12:07:20 PM

Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

 

On 2011-07-27 11:10 AM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> No.. I have 41% lung function.. no running.. walking will have to suffice.

The only way to *build* lung function (and heart function) is to

exercise it *beyond* tolerance...

THAT IS WHAT I DO.... KEEP PUSHING IT...

HIIT...

WHAT DOES " HIIT " STAND FOR?

Jogging would probably kill you quick...

YES IT JUST MIGHT DO ME IN.... 

 

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

On 2011-07-27 12:14 PM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> Gee, you cut out and did not respond to the best part of my response.

>

> " It could be that the utter seriousness in which western people take their

> running and exercise is what is causing the stress which in turn causes

> inflammation which causes buildup in the arteries which causes the heart

> muscles to weaken that in turn drops you dead from a heart attack.

I only cut out this first paragraph, because it is irrelevant.

> Your last sentence still makes no sense in any way, shape, or form.

> You should see my dog barefoot run.. she is amazing. And she runs

> with sheer joy... no stress there. "

I am considering 'running' the same as 'jogging' in our discussion -

that is the problem - the *form* of exercise...

> And since you say they are sprinting, they are also running flat out

> and back and forth and having fun, so my para on how stress can

> occur and affect the heart may be right on the money..

running flat out is actually *good* for stress... your logic is

fallacious...

> And since you acknowldege the lifestyle of modern humans contributes

> to their health, then my statement is still true as long as we live

> this way.. the heart will weaken and we die.

Only if lifestyle choices continue to be made poorly.

It is entirely possible to live healthy while also living a modern

lifestyle - as long as proper choices are made.

> So assuming a good lifestyle, more natural, and not making running

> the end all and be all and how fast did I run, how many miles did I

> do...blah blah blah.... maybe we are made for running... and it is

> just modern life that is killing us.. not the running!

Define 'running'... my definition is the same as 'jogging'...

[Guest guest]

On 2011-07-27 12:20 PM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> WHAT DOES " HIIT " STAND FOR?

I already defined it earlier...

High Intensity Interval Training

[Guest guest]

In common usage, running and jogging is interchangable, although I know there is

a difference.  From all the information I have heard on the subject of barefoot

running, once you have adjusted to the right way of running, you would just

never jog, you would always run full steam ahead and be able to do longer

distances as time went on.  And assuming you didn't make it a stressful thing,

but rather a joyful endeavor, it would be the healthiest thing. 

It is almost impossible to make the right choices in today's world, because if

you were fed the SAD in your formative years, a lot of the damage would

already

be there and then there is the toxic atmosphere in which we are forced to live

even if you keep yourself and your home clean, you can't live in a bubble. 

Eventually, once humans become extinct, the earth will renew itself  and

the next " intelligent " life will get its chance.  Hopefully it will do better.

C. 

________________________________

From: Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Wed, July 27, 2011 12:38:15 PM

Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

 

On 2011-07-27 12:14 PM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> Gee, you cut out and did not respond to the best part of my response.

>

> " It could be that the utter seriousness in which western people take their

> running and exercise is what is causing the stress which in turn causes

> inflammation which causes buildup in the arteries which causes the heart

> muscles to weaken that in turn drops you dead from a heart attack.

I only cut out this first paragraph, because it is irrelevant.

> Your last sentence still makes no sense in any way, shape, or form.

> You should see my dog barefoot run.. she is amazing. And she runs

> with sheer joy... no stress there. "

I am considering 'running' the same as 'jogging' in our discussion -

that is the problem - the *form* of exercise...

> And since you say they are sprinting, they are also running flat out

> and back and forth and having fun, so my para on how stress can

> occur and affect the heart may be right on the money..

running flat out is actually *good* for stress... your logic is

fallacious...

> And since you acknowldege the lifestyle of modern humans contributes

> to their health, then my statement is still true as long as we live

> this way.. the heart will weaken and we die.

Only if lifestyle choices continue to be made poorly.

It is entirely possible to live healthy while also living a modern

lifestyle - as long as proper choices are made.

> So assuming a good lifestyle, more natural, and not making running

> the end all and be all and how fast did I run, how many miles did I

> do...blah blah blah.... maybe we are made for running... and it is

> just modern life that is killing us.. not the running!

Define 'running'... my definition is the same as 'jogging'...

[Guest guest]

On 2011-07-27 1:01 PM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> It is almost impossible to make the right choices in today's world,

No, it isn't... difficult, yes, but it requires a strong will, which

most people simply are too lazy to exercise.

> because if you were fed the SAD in your formative years, a lot of the

> damage would already be there

99% of which can be undone, though it takes time. The body is constantly

repairing itself, replacing cells. Supposedly, the bones take the

longest - the estimate is about 7 years to totally replace every cell in

your skeletal structure.

> and then there is the toxic atmosphere in which we are forced to live

> even if you keep yourself and your home clean, you can't live in a

> bubble.

As long as you eat right, and do regular cleanses, your body is capable

of eliminating the toxic load as it comes in...

But yes, it is an ongoing battle...

[Guest guest]

Thank you Duncan,

For your dedication helping so many too. I did order some, I'll let you know

what happens.

Be blessed,

Lori E

From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Duncan Crow

Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:24 AM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

Hi Llje, thanks for the link. Secretatrophin looks like a good secretagogue

formula, worth the $50 a bottle on the sale price.

If your stomach has been empty for a couple of hours you'll get better

results with a secretagogue.

In contrast, colostrum is not a secretagogue; it directly supplies IGF-1 and

other growth factors, so you don't need to take it on an empty stomach.

all good,

Duncan Crow

>

> Hi Duncan, and all who may be looking at HGH, thought I'd share a coupon

in

> case anyone was interested.

>

>

>

> I was researching HGH products and found one called Secratatropin HGH and

I

> went to many Google pages and it sounded good and had money back

guarantee.

> ( they are very expensive, but if you buy more you get 2 free, and after

> many pages I found the 40% off, which drops the price really good, and no

> tax or shipping. 6 bottles goes from 299.00 to 179.00 and at the end of

> checkout they ask if you want one more for 47.00. The coupon only worked

on

> the official site. Good until tomorrow, July 27th, for 40% off. Coupon

> below this link. http://www.secratatropinhgh.com/

>

>

>

http://www.myonlinedeals.com/wp-content/themes/couponpress/_print.php?cid=72

>

<http://www.myonlinedeals.com/wp-content/themes/couponpress/_print.php?cid=7

>

2 & lightbox%5Biframe%5D=true & lightbox%5Bwidth%5D=700 & lightbox%5Bheight%5D=450

> >

>

& lightbox%5Biframe%5D=true & lightbox%5Bwidth%5D=700 & lightbox%5Bheight%5D=450

> If it doesn't come up the coupon # is, 40SECRA

>

>

>

> Also I noticed you take colostrum even with the whey shake, I have taken

it

> only in the morning on empty stomach, do you think it would be as

effective

> if I waited until I drink my protein after my workout? But I also take

other

> supplements then? Or should I stay taken it first thing before anything

> else?

>

> Thank you!

>

> Lori E

>

[Guest guest]

This is not really HGH. This is really amino acids that help the body to

produce its own HGH

From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Janet Michel

Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 5:34 PM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

I have tried HCG. Didn't work for me. Made me very ill. Would not recommend

wasting your money...

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:32 PM, llje <llje@... <mailto:llje%40cox.net>

> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Hi Duncan, and all who may be looking at HGH, thought I'd share a coupon

in

> case anyone was interested.

>

> I was researching HGH products and found one called Secratatropin HGH and

I

> went to many Google pages and it sounded good and had money back

guarantee.

> ( they are very expensive, but if you buy more you get 2 free, and after

> many pages I found the 40% off, which drops the price really good, and no

> tax or shipping. 6 bottles goes from 299.00 to 179.00 and at the end of

> checkout they ask if you want one more for 47.00. The coupon only worked

on

> the official site. Good until tomorrow, July 27th, for 40% off. Coupon

> below this link. http://www.secratatropinhgh.com/

>

>

>

http://www.myonlinedeals.com/wp-content/themes/couponpress/_print.php?cid=72

> <

>

http://www.myonlinedeals.com/wp-content/themes/couponpress/_print.php?cid=7

>

>

2 & lightbox%5Biframe%5D=true & lightbox%5Bwidth%5D=700 & lightbox%5Bheight%5D=450

> >

>

& lightbox%5Biframe%5D=true & lightbox%5Bwidth%5D=700 & lightbox%5Bheight%5D=450

> If it doesn't come up the coupon # is, 40SECRA

>

> Also I noticed you take colostrum even with the whey shake, I have taken

it

> only in the morning on empty stomach, do you think it would be as

effective

> if I waited until I drink my protein after my workout? But I also take

> other

> supplements then? Or should I stay taken it first thing before anything

> else?

>

> Thank you!

>

> Lori E

>

> From: Coconut Oil

<mailto:Coconut Oil%40>

> [mailto:Coconut Oil

<mailto:Coconut Oil%40> ] On Behalf Of Duncan Crow

> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 9:08 PM

> Coconut Oil

<mailto:Coconut Oil%40>

> Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

>

> Hi , the proponents of amino acid secretagogue usage all say to

take

> it on an empty stomach. It has to absorb kind of all at once.

>

> What I do with secretagogues because I like to eat in the evening is take

> the SomaLife gHP in the AM with orange juice, then because I skip

breakfast

> I have a whey shake about an hour later. So my HGH and IGF-1 are still

high

> when the bioavailable protein comes flooding into my tissues

>

> I take colostrum when I take it in a morning or evening whey shake; this

> does not increase HGH but directly supplies IGF-1 and several other

> mammalian growth factors. In that case, anytime is OK.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

>

> > > Sports nutritionist Brad King discusses that extensively in his book

> Fat

> > > Wars. He is a proponent of amino acid triggers of HGH level, and of

> > > undenatured whey the bioavailable protein and glutathione enhancer

that

> > > builds muscle mass and reduces fat.

> >

> > Duncan - what do you think about taking a whey shake with the Somalife

> > right before bed?

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi all - I have a lot of thyroid issues, pit. Tumor, nodules etc and I am

using HCG homeopathic from Protocol2Health and it is not THAT expensive I

don't think; 70 - 75.00 and then you get all the help from the site to

understand the diet which is someone east and somewhat complex I think

without assistance. It is a homeopath remedy - so unless you were taking

the HCG shots I cannot see how anyone would have an adverse reaction to

this.

I lost 30 lbs on this and have been maintaining very well, but cannot

imagine doing so without the support of the group, I had inquired about it

at my local health food store and they gave me the booklet that comes with

their HCG, but after knowing what I do now I just cannot imagine being able

to fully utilize the diet properly the way Dr. Simmeons wrote it way back in

the 50's. you get to read his original documentation and get all the

support - and sort of like on here the " community " becomes your support and

friends.

My experience was so positive I would highly recommend it to anyone. What I

really liked is that this diet helps you re-set your metabolism so that your

body will accept using a higher amount of cals and they recommend a very

healthy way of eating AND using coconut oil!!! I've learned a lot. I would

be happy to answer any questions off list about my experience with it.

Kaylee

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[Guest guest]

I agree with ' opinion that the heart doesn't have to " age " and lose

function, and here's why:

Cardiac function and output can be maintained in most people, and improved in

the elderly, even after a heart attack that has killed some muscle, with an

anti-aging program that includes HGH maintenance. Lots of data on what diseases,

organs, and glands improve on an HGH program appear linked from my HGH

references:

http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP

Because the heart's " aging " can be slowed and actually reversed even after aging

has occurred, it's NOT a given that it occurs due to passage of time alone. Time

AND poor nutrition AND low HGH release will do it though.

all good,

Duncan

>

> > Wrong again... what most people consider symptoms of 'aging' are

> symptoms of chronic malnutrition and/or poor lifestyle choices.

>

[Guest guest]

This time I disagree with ; it's the presence of decent HGH spikes that

help rebuild the organs and even the muscles, and HGH therapy has improved

cardiac output and muscle tone in the elderly, without exercise.

The data is linked from this page; most of the research used elderly subjects:

http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP

No comment on your lungs comment . HGH therapy will help all the organs

and glands though.

all good,

Duncan

> > No.. I have 41% lung function.. no running.. walking will have to suffice.

>

> The only way to *build* lung function (and heart function) is to

> exercise it *beyond* tolerance...

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> HIIT...

>

> Jogging would probably kill you quick...

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