Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

[Guest guest]

I agree with Lori E.

Here's the WIKI for HCG (Human Chorionic Gonadotropin):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_chorionic_gonadotropin

In contrast, here's the WIKI for HGH:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_growth_hormone

As you can see there's a big difference, and " On behalf of Janet " did

not try anything remotely like an HGH enhancer. In fact HCG is unrelated to HGH

except that it is a growth factor and that it is also produced in the pituitary

gland. Anti-aging professionals put a person on the amino acid secretagogue for

six months and take HGH readings before even doing a sex hormone baseline, let

alone give othjer growth factors.

You do get many growth factors in colostrum though, more of a scattergun

approach.

And we're taking amino acids to increase natural HGH release.

all good,

Duncan

>

> This is not really HGH. This is really amino acids that help the body to

> produce its own HGH

>

>

[Guest guest]

I favour actual molecules of growth factor over an energy signature in water.

Actual hormone molecules attach to binding sites to deliver a chemical message;

what does the energy signature attach to?

I don't think people react to a water-based energy signature either.

all good,

Duncan

>

It is a homeopath remedy - so unless you were taking

> the HCG shots I cannot see how anyone would have an adverse reaction to

> this.

>

>

[Guest guest]

On 2011-07-28 6:36 PM, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

> This time I disagree with ; it's the presence of decent HGH

> spikes that help rebuild the organs and even the muscles, and HGH

> therapy has improved cardiac output and muscle tone in the elderly,

> without exercise.

>

> The data is linked from this page; most of the research used elderly

> subjects:

> http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP

>

> No comment on your lungs comment . HGH therapy will help all the

> organs and glands though.

Don't see how this is disagreeing...

I didn't say HGH precursors alone *wouldn't* help rebuild organs - we

weren't talking about supplements, we were talking about physical exercise.

[Guest guest]

> > I don't know if I agree with running being the worst form of exercise.

> > To some, that is the only form of exercise they like and will do

> > consistently. And anyone who can run for 15-30-45 min of time or longer

> > has a strong heart and good blood circulation and oxygenation.

>

> False logic...

>

> Why do long time runners just keel over and die of heart attacks?

No. The above is not false logic. The example is false logic. The runners that

" keel over " are aberations. They have usually had previously undiagnosed heart

problems.

> The science is now sound and certain - standard 'aerobic' exercise

> actually WEAKENS the heart and circulatory system.

>

>

http://www.peakfitnesstechnique.com/peak-8-exercises/overdoing-intense-aerobic-e\

xercises-is-bad-for-your-heart/

The above statement is false. Read the title of the article that's being pointed

to... " Overdoing Intense Aerobic Exercise... "

> Look at nature... you never see animals jogging. In their native

> environment, you see bursts of activity, followed by resting periods.

Not true. I see animals moving at all different speeds - depending on the

situation. A horse, for example, does not always move about at a full speed

gallop, unless that mountain lion is close behind.

> This is the proper way to train for a healthy heart/circulatory system.

>

> But, feel free to train yourself to death if you like... you have been

> warned.

I have used intense interval training in a running program as well as other

speeds: Walking, Jogging, Running at half speed, running at 3/4 speed and

sprinting on level ground and up an incline. All different speeds may be

incorporated into ones exercise program but making sure that one doesn't overdo

it. I found that running on an appropriate surface such as dirt or grass was

very important to prevent injuries, also.

Too often, IMHO, those that would " knock " one's jogging or running program,

have themselves succumbed to a sedentary life, so who is healthier?

I believe that anyone who gets up off their rear end on a regular basis and

raises their heart and breathing rates and without overdoing it will be better

off no matter what form of exercise they use. Running, biking, swimming, walking

etc.

Regards,

Craig

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your input Craig..

C.

________________________________

From: crgstef <crgstef@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Sun, July 31, 2011 3:15:33 AM

Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

 

> > I searched the net and cannot find any conclusive evidence that it is the

> > running that is causing heart problems, only guesses.

>

> Blissful, isn't it?

>

> > And guess what, the heart does weaken over the long term whether you

> > run or not, it is called aging

>

> Wrong again... what most people consider symptoms of 'aging' are

> symptoms of chronic malnutrition and/or poor lifestyle choices.

Whoa. Hang on. As you and I and everyone else grows older, our maximum heart

rate decreases and that is the main contributing factor in why that 18 year old

will finish the race ahead of you - presuming all otheer factors are equal. That

youngster's heart beating faster will deliver more nourishing blood to his " fast

twitch " and other muscles and he'll cross the finish line ahead of you. So, our

heart does age in that sense.

> > There is a tribe in Mexico that regularly run 150 miles for the

> > shear fun of it, barefoot.

>

> But they don't 'jog' for exercise, and when they run, they *run* (more

> like sprinting), they don't 'jog'...

Sprinting for 150 miles? Come on. That's being absurd to prove a point. I guess

you don't know much about Ultra Marathons.

> > Your last sentence still makes no sense in any way, shape, or form.

>

> Only for those with under-developed reading comprehension skills.

Regards,

Craig

[Guest guest]

Hi Kaylee,

How long did it take you to lose the 30lbs? I'm a little disappointed that

at Day 10 I've only lost about 4 lbs.

However, I've heard a few success stories including keeping the weight off,

afterwards, over time.

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 11:35 PM, KC <kaylee4848@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Hi all - I have a lot of thyroid issues, pit. Tumor, nodules etc and I am

> using HCG homeopathic from Protocol2Health and it is not THAT expensive I

> don't think; 70 - 75.00 and then you get all the help from the site to

> understand the diet which is someone east and somewhat complex I think

> without assistance. It is a homeopath remedy - so unless you were taking

> the HCG shots I cannot see how anyone would have an adverse reaction to

> this.

>

> I lost 30 lbs on this and have been maintaining very well, but cannot

> imagine doing so without the support of the group, I had inquired about it

> at my local health food store and they gave me the booklet that comes with

> their HCG, but after knowing what I do now I just cannot imagine being able

> to fully utilize the diet properly the way Dr. Simmeons wrote it way back

> in

> the 50's. you get to read his original documentation and get all the

> support - and sort of like on here the " community " becomes your support and

> friends.

>

> My experience was so positive I would highly recommend it to anyone. What I

> really liked is that this diet helps you re-set your metabolism so that

> your

> body will accept using a higher amount of cals and they recommend a very

> healthy way of eating AND using coconut oil!!! I've learned a lot. I would

> be happy to answer any questions off list about my experience with it.

>

> Kaylee

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Duncan,

With the passage of time, the heart's max pulse rate decreases with age and in a

fairly straight line. Does the anti-aging program that you mention have any

effect on that aspect (pulse rate)?

Regards,

Craig

>

> I agree with ' opinion that the heart doesn't have to " age " and lose

function, and here's why:

>

> Cardiac function and output can be maintained in most people, and improved in

the elderly, even after a heart attack that has killed some muscle, with an

anti-aging program that includes HGH maintenance. Lots of data on what diseases,

organs, and glands improve on an HGH program appear linked from my HGH

references:

> http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP

[Guest guest]

>

> My stride vibrates my body a lot less when I jog on the balls of my feet the

" natural " way. I feel sorry for the people who land on their heels because they

have a heel on their shoe. They wouldn't land on their heels if they ran

barefoot.

Duncan,

Please read these exerpts from your articles:

" This short video by Wired.com shows a heel-first strike in a traditional

running shoe (left) compared to a midfoot strike in Vibram FiveFingers (right). "

" But the jury's still out on whether going barefoot is actually an improvement. "

" The running shoe right now is doing nothing for preventing injuries, " said

Ferber, director of the Running Injury Clinic at the University of Calgary's

Faculty of Kinesiology. But, he adds, going barefoot has downsides too, and the

research so far is still inconclusive. " It's a total tradeoff. "

Midfoot strike - not on the balls of your feet and so far the research is

inconclusive.

In my younger days I used to run only on the balls of my feet which resulted in

the tightest " Achilles " in town.

Maybe you would jar your body less if you jogged on a different surface.

Those five fingered products sure look intersting.

Regards,

Craig

[Guest guest]

Running with crappy footware is not likely to cause a heart attack,

and running barefoot is not likely to prevent hear attacks associated

with runners & heart attack.

Alobar

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> tanstaafl,

>

> You must be extremely blissful then... lucky you.

>

> Running, in itself, isn't dangerous, as I said, its the shoes that cause

injury

> by forcing us into an unnatural running form and the inflammation in arteries

> and veins causing cholesterol build up that causes heart attacks.

>

> We lived hundreds of thousands of years without shoes then someone decided

that

> they could improve on nature and we know how well that tends to turn out.

>

> And how does this statement make any sense what-so-ever?

>

> " You don't see them running/jogging with shoes OFF either... "

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Alobar,

Not so much, because if crappy shoes cause injuries and stress and our habit

of

putting competition stress on ourselves on how much and how fast we run, that

will cause inflammation which in turn leads to heart attacks. 

And if it is true that running barefoot makes running fun instead of a chore

with goals, it could indeed prevent illness and injury and maybe even heart

attacks so long as you don't have other stressors acting on the body and if you

can bring that joy into other parts of your life well, you never know what will

happen, maybe you will even live longer.

Really, not so much of a stretch.

C. 

________________________________

From: Alobar <Alobar@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Mon, August 1, 2011 3:46:03 AM

Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

 

Running with crappy footware is not likely to cause a heart attack,

and running barefoot is not likely to prevent hear attacks associated

with runners & heart attack.

Alobar

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> tanstaafl,

>

> You must be extremely blissful then... lucky you.

>

> Running, in itself, isn't dangerous, as I said, its the shoes that cause

injury

> by forcing us into an unnatural running form and the inflammation in

arteries

> and veins causing cholesterol build up that causes heart attacks.

>

> We lived hundreds of thousands of years without shoes then someone decided

that

> they could improve on nature and we know how well that tends to turn out.

>

> And how does this statement make any sense what-so-ever?

>

> " You don't see them running/jogging with shoes OFF either... "

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On 2011-07-31 2:34 AM, crgstef <crgstef@...> wrote:

>

>> The science is now sound and certain - standard 'aerobic' exercise

>> actually WEAKENS the heart and circulatory system.

>>

>>

http://www.peakfitnesstechnique.com/peak-8-exercises/overdoing-intense-aerobic-e\

xercises-is-bad-for-your-heart/

> The above statement is false. Read the title of the article that's being

> pointed to... " Overdoing Intense Aerobic Exercise... "

So what? Did you ... maybe ... *read* the article?

They are defining 'overdoing intense aerobic exercise' as - jogging or

doing other standard aerobic exercise for hours every day... the more

extended the workouts (marathon runners, etc), the more damage the heart

muscles showed in the MRIs.

>> Look at nature... you never see animals jogging. In their native

>> environment, you see bursts of activity, followed by resting periods.

> Not true. I see animals moving at all different speeds - depending on

> the situation. A horse, for example, does not always move about at a

> full speed gallop, unless that mountain lion is close behind.

Of course they don't *always* move at a full gallop.

The point is, they do NOT trot/slow gallop for extended periods, like

people who jog/run for 'exercise' for an hour or more every day.

>> This is the proper way to train for a healthy heart/circulatory system.

>>

>> But, feel free to train yourself to death if you like... you have been

>> warned.

> I have used intense interval training in a running program as well as

> other speeds: Walking, Jogging, Running at half speed, running at 3/4

> speed and sprinting on level ground and up an incline. All different

> speeds may be incorporated into ones exercise program but making sure

> that one doesn't overdo it.

That is the point - you *must* 'overdo' it... the garbage about a

certain percentage of your 'targeted heart rate' is just that - garbage.

> I found that running on an appropriate surface such as dirt or grass

> was very important to prevent injuries, also.

Sure, but we aren't talking about injury prevention, we're talking about

the bad science that is traditional 'aerobic' exercise.

> Too often, IMHO, those that would " knock " one's jogging or running

> program, have themselves succumbed to a sedentary life, so who is

> healthier?

A sedentary person can be just as unhealthy as an aerobic freak.

> I believe that anyone who gets up off their rear end on a regular basis

> and raises their heart and breathing rates and without overdoing it will

> be better off no matter what form of exercise they use. Running, biking,

> swimming, walking etc.

You can believe whatever you want, doesn't make it true.

[Guest guest]

On 2011-07-31 3:15 AM, crgstef <crgstef@...> wrote:

>

>> Wrong again... what most people consider symptoms of 'aging' are

>> symptoms of chronic malnutrition and/or poor lifestyle choices.

> Whoa. Hang on. As you and I and everyone else grows older, our maximum

> heart rate decreases and that is the main contributing factor in why

> that 18 year old will finish the race ahead of you - presuming all

> otheer factors are equal. That youngster's heart beating faster will

> deliver more nourishing blood to his " fast twitch " and other muscles and

> he'll cross the finish line ahead of you. So, our heart does age in that

> sense.

Only if you eat the SAD and don't exercise *smart* (HIIT) as opposed to

doing the SAE (standard American Exercise) routines.

The fact is, with proper nourishment and training, there are many 50+

year olds who can kick most 18 year olds asses.

>>> There is a tribe in Mexico that regularly run 150 miles for the

>>> shear fun of it, barefoot.

>> But they don't 'jog' for exercise, and when they run, they *run* (more

>> like sprinting), they don't 'jog'...

>

> Sprinting for 150 miles? Come on. That's being absurd to prove a point.

> I guess you don't know much about Ultra Marathons.

I know that a marathon runner looks about as far from healthy as I want

to be (emaciated)...

A sprinter, on the other hand - especially one who trains with HIIT - is

the picture of health.

[Guest guest]

raig, I saw research that showed cardiac size, function and output improved with

a program of improved HGH release in the elderly, even after a heart attack. One

would assume fewer beats per minute would accommodate the improved cardiac

output, but I didn't go back for a look. I did post a lot of the HGH research on

elderly people here and I urge people to read it:

http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP

all good,

Duncan

> >

> > I agree with ' opinion that the heart doesn't have to " age " and lose

function, and here's why:

> >

> > Cardiac function and output can be maintained in most people, and improved

in the elderly, even after a heart attack that has killed some muscle, with an

anti-aging program that includes HGH maintenance. Lots of data on what diseases,

organs, and glands improve on an HGH program appear linked from my HGH

references:

> > http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP

>

[Guest guest]

Craig those excerpts are not from my articles. I guess the " jury's still out "

whoever the " jury " is, but I'm healthier than most people in my peer group and

also in my son's under 30 group.

all good,

Duncan

> Duncan,

>

> Please read these exerpts from your articles:

>

> " This short video by Wired.com shows a heel-first strike in a traditional

running shoe (left) compared to a midfoot strike in Vibram FiveFingers (right). "

>

> " But the jury's still out on whether going barefoot is actually an

improvement. "

>

> " The running shoe right now is doing nothing for preventing injuries, " said

Ferber, director of the Running Injury Clinic at the University of

Calgary's Faculty of Kinesiology. But, he adds, going barefoot has downsides

too, and the research so far is still inconclusive. " It's a total tradeoff. "

>

> Midfoot strike - not on the balls of your feet and so far the research is

inconclusive.

>

> In my younger days I used to run only on the balls of my feet which resulted

in the tightest " Achilles " in town.

>

> Maybe you would jar your body less if you jogged on a different surface.

>

> Those five fingered products sure look intersting.

>

> Regards,

>

> Craig

>

[Guest guest]

Just wanted to say that I seem to be doing well with losing weight on the

HCG diet now, after a slow first few days. The first diet that I seem to

be able to reduce weight on with thyroid/adrenal issues.

Plus I'm not hungry and my energy is better than normal and I've been able

to reduce my medication a little already, and this is only day 12.

[Guest guest]

But this is what you stated

" The only way to *build* lung function (and heart function) is to

exercise it *beyond* tolerance... "

And according to your own previous statements, you don't " read into " statements

-------- for others would easily recognize you were talking explicitly about

physical exercises that will improve heart and lung function. Or does Duncan

have a reading comprehension problem as well?

> > This time I disagree with ; it's the presence of decent HGH

> > spikes that help rebuild the organs and even the muscles, and HGH

> > therapy has improved cardiac output and muscle tone in the elderly,

> > without exercise.

> >

> > The data is linked from this page; most of the research used elderly

> > subjects:

> > http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP

> >

> > No comment on your lungs comment . HGH therapy will help all the

> > organs and glands though.

>

> Don't see how this is disagreeing...

>

> I didn't say HGH precursors alone *wouldn't* help rebuild organs - we

> weren't talking about supplements, we were talking about physical exercise.

>

message #36590

> No.. I have 41% lung function.. no running.. walking will have to suffice.

The only way to *build* lung function (and heart function) is to

exercise it *beyond* tolerance...

HIIT...

Jogging would probably kill you quick...

[Guest guest]

On 2011-08-01 7:53 PM, elaine1231 <elaine1231@...> wrote:

> But this is what you stated

>

> " The only way to *build* lung function (and heart function) is to

>

> exercise it *beyond* tolerance... "

>

> And according to your own previous statements, you don't " read into "

> statements -------- for others would easily recognize you were talking

> explicitly about physical exercises that will improve heart and lung

> function. Or does Duncan have a reading comprehension problem as well?

In this case, yes, he did - context is king.

[Guest guest]

Running barefoot is only for people who have the right balance from

their feet up to their weight bearing joints. I think Zola Budd used to

run barefoot.

Jumping rope is actually the most efficient cardio. Do it on a grass or

hard packed dirt surface to avoid impact on joints.

As for thyroid issues, see an acupuncturist, preferably one who also

does herbs. It's probably a spleen qi or kidney yang deficiency. There

are good herbal formulas like You Gui Wan which can really boost that

metabolism. Depending upon your individual pattern diagnosis.

On 7/26/2011 5:37 PM, Cody wrote:

> Latest info on running is to do it barefoot.

>

> http://www.barefootrunning.fas.harvard.edu/

>

> C

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mercurius,

I am on to my third TCM dr/acupuncturist, and would have liked to have fixed

my thyroid and adrenal issues without Western medicine, but after three

years of regular TCM treatment I still had major symptoms which the right

Western medicine have mostly fixed very quickly.

I usually avoid Western medicine and have relied on acupuncture quite a bit,

and generally found it effective, in the past, but this time TCM was not

working.

I have been told that hypothyroidism is usually a kidney yin deficiency, as

the symptoms fit this pattern, but I also had blood and qi deficiencies,

which is usual once you've had a thyroid issue for long enough.

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Mercurius Trismegistus <

magisterium_magnum@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Running barefoot is only for people who have the right balance from

> their feet up to their weight bearing joints. I think Zola Budd used to

> run barefoot.

> Jumping rope is actually the most efficient cardio. Do it on a grass or

> hard packed dirt surface to avoid impact on joints.

> As for thyroid issues, see an acupuncturist, preferably one who also

> does herbs. It's probably a spleen qi or kidney yang deficiency. There

> are good herbal formulas like You Gui Wan which can really boost that

> metabolism. Depending upon your individual pattern diagnosis.

>

> On 7/26/2011 5:37 PM, Cody wrote:

> > Latest info on running is to do it barefoot.

> >

> > http://www.barefootrunning.fas.harvard.edu/

> >

> > C

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On 2011-08-02 8:08 PM, Mercurius Trismegistus

<magisterium_magnum@...> wrote:

> Jumping rope is actually the most efficient cardio.

And mimics the benefits of rebounding too...

> Do it on a grass or hard packed dirt surface to avoid impact on

> joints.

Hmmm... wonder if you could do it on a rebounder...

[Guest guest]

Tell you what, try this experiment..

Pay attention to how your feet land when you jump rope or even jog/run on a

rebounder. 

Then pay attention to how your feet land when you walk normally... The former is

the same as barefoot running, the latter.. our normal way of walking with shoes.

Next get someone to walk normally for you..  heel to toe.. watch their

posture..  then have them walk while landing on the ball of their feet

[barefoot

style] and watch their posture. 

You will find when they walk barefoot style [even with shoes on] their posture

changes for the better and every reputable barefoot runner advocate tells you to

work up slowly because you muscles aren't used walking/running correctly and its

going to hurt.  But that is no different than a novice taking up any form of

exercise for the first time.

So its for everyone that walks, it is just going to take time to readjust your

posture and strengthen unused and misused muscles and get used to

walking/running differently.

C.

________________________________

From: Mercurius Trismegistus <magisterium_magnum@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Tue, August 2, 2011 8:08:57 PM

Subject: Re: Losing Weight with Thyroid Issues

 

Running barefoot is only for people who have the right balance from

their feet up to their weight bearing joints. I think Zola Budd used to

run barefoot.

Jumping rope is actually the most efficient cardio. Do it on a grass or

hard packed dirt surface to avoid impact on joints.

As for thyroid issues, see an acupuncturist, preferably one who also

does herbs. It's probably a spleen qi or kidney yang deficiency. There

are good herbal formulas like You Gui Wan which can really boost that

metabolism. Depending upon your individual pattern diagnosis.

On 7/26/2011 5:37 PM, Cody wrote:

> Latest info on running is to do it barefoot.

>

> http://www.barefootrunning.fas.harvard.edu/

>

> C

>

[Guest guest]

The cases I've seen are more often yang deficiencies/spleen qi

deficiencies. My girlfriend's case is difficult to resolve too. This

is because she continues to work 16 hour days at a high pressure law

firm. That takes it's toll. Plus she also only takes the herbs I gave

her once a day.

It is much easier to take the synthroid (or whatever brand name they

give it.) That's true. The only problem I have with that is,

potentially the thyroid could start working even less, because it has

that crutch, that the body already has a different source for those

hormones.

On 8/3/2011 5:29 AM, Cochrane wrote:

> Hi Mercurius,

>

> I am on to my third TCM dr/acupuncturist, and would have liked to have fixed

> my thyroid and adrenal issues without Western medicine, but after three

> years of regular TCM treatment I still had major symptoms which the right

> Western medicine have mostly fixed very quickly.

>

> I usually avoid Western medicine and have relied on acupuncture quite a bit,

> and generally found it effective, in the past, but this time TCM was not

> working.

>

> I have been told that hypothyroidism is usually a kidney yin deficiency, as

> the symptoms fit this pattern, but I also had blood and qi deficiencies,

> which is usual once you've had a thyroid issue for long enough.

>

>

>

> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Mercurius Trismegistus<

> magisterium_magnum@...> wrote:

>

>> **

>>

>>

>> Running barefoot is only for people who have the right balance from

>> their feet up to their weight bearing joints. I think Zola Budd used to

>> run barefoot.

>> Jumping rope is actually the most efficient cardio. Do it on a grass or

>> hard packed dirt surface to avoid impact on joints.

>> As for thyroid issues, see an acupuncturist, preferably one who also

>> does herbs. It's probably a spleen qi or kidney yang deficiency. There

>> are good herbal formulas like You Gui Wan which can really boost that

>> metabolism. Depending upon your individual pattern diagnosis.

>>

>> On 7/26/2011 5:37 PM, Cody wrote:

>>> Latest info on running is to do it barefoot.

>>>

>>> http://www.barefootrunning.fas.harvard.edu/

>>>

>>> C

>>>

>>

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

From what I've learned from email lists, Synthroid rarely works for thyroid

issues. It is a synthetic form of T4. Natural Dessicated Thyroid, which

contains the range of T1 through to T4 is much more effective but rarely

prescribed by doctors (not much money to be made from it for drug

companies). So perhaps if your girlfriend is going to follow the Western

medicine path, she could try NDT instead, unless she's finding the Synthroid

really effective.

There's a great site and book called " Stop the Thyroid Madness " .

Western medical drs often say that the body can become dependant on the T4

and stop producing its own, but this is not what people find in practice.

Many people recover and can lower their medication and their thyroid takes

over again. Many people just stay on the NDT because it is very similar to

what your body produces, and has no negative side effects, and they're very

happy not to have the symptoms.

I'm on T3 only, because my issue was having high Reverse T3, therefore I

don't need the T4. I expect to be able to eventually do without it, and

believe that once my body is back in balance I shouldn't need it, but if I

did have to stay on it for life it wouldn't worry me too much as it's made

such an enormous difference.

My latest TCM dr says that sometimes a yang deficiency also develops in

relation to the yin deficiency, but the people I know have the yin

deficiency signs - e.g. hair loss, lower back pain, extreme cold.

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 4:17 AM, Mercurius Trismegistus <

magisterium_magnum@...> wrote:

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> The cases I've seen are more often yang deficiencies/spleen qi

> deficiencies. My girlfriend's case is difficult to resolve too. This

> is because she continues to work 16 hour days at a high pressure law

> firm. That takes it's toll. Plus she also only takes the herbs I gave

> her once a day.

> It is much easier to take the synthroid (or whatever brand name they

> give it.) That's true. The only problem I have with that is,

> potentially the thyroid could start working even less, because it has

> that crutch, that the body already has a different source for those

> hormones.

>

>

> On 8/3/2011 5:29 AM, Cochrane wrote:

> > Hi Mercurius,

> >

> > I am on to my third TCM dr/acupuncturist, and would have liked to have

> fixed

> > my thyroid and adrenal issues without Western medicine, but after three

> > years of regular TCM treatment I still had major symptoms which the right

> > Western medicine have mostly fixed very quickly.

> >

> > I usually avoid Western medicine and have relied on acupuncture quite a

> bit,

> > and generally found it effective, in the past, but this time TCM was not

> > working.

> >

> > I have been told that hypothyroidism is usually a kidney yin deficiency,

> as

> > the symptoms fit this pattern, but I also had blood and qi deficiencies,

> > which is usual once you've had a thyroid issue for long enough.

> >

> >

> >

> > On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Mercurius Trismegistus<

> > magisterium_magnum@...> wrote:

> >

> >> **

> >>

> >>

> >> Running barefoot is only for people who have the right balance from

> >> their feet up to their weight bearing joints. I think Zola Budd used to

> >> run barefoot.

> >> Jumping rope is actually the most efficient cardio. Do it on a grass or

> >> hard packed dirt surface to avoid impact on joints.

> >> As for thyroid issues, see an acupuncturist, preferably one who also

> >> does herbs. It's probably a spleen qi or kidney yang deficiency. There

> >> are good herbal formulas like You Gui Wan which can really boost that

> >> metabolism. Depending upon your individual pattern diagnosis.

> >>

> >> On 7/26/2011 5:37 PM, Cody wrote:

> >>> Latest info on running is to do it barefoot.

> >>>

> >>> http://www.barefootrunning.fas.harvard.edu/

> >>>

> >>> C

> >>>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >