Guest guest Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 Prof, Magat, Our specific location is Padada, Davao del Sur, about 90% of agricultural land planted to coconuts, about 75% of coconut in natural farms, at least 50% certifiable organic. There are banana, rice, and mango farms but no industrial plantations. The coconut farms are broadly owned by households, average coconut farm size is only about 2.5 hectares. Our centrifuged VCO is certified organic to US and EU standards, by our main customer. At present we only consume less than 10% of the coconuts the area can provide. The nearest industrial banana plantation in the neighbor town of Hagonoy is at least 5 kilometers away. Some info on how we control supply of organic coconuts: 1. We do not buy from coconut farms co-cropped with plants that are usually applied with chemicals, like most varieties of mango, export-varieties of banana, sugarcane, and corn. 2. We do not buy from farms along run-off waterways. We study first the topology of the farm, and land use in relevant areas before we decide. 3. When an organic farm is beside a conventional farm. we establish buffer zone approved by the certifying body. 4. We give continuing training to our coconut suppliers. We regularly implement a 200-hour Course on Organic Coconut Farming, each run is over a 5-month period, conducted by the PCA in our region and DA in our town. The actual use of parasitoid as means to control brontispa in coconut farms started in our area as one of the results of the trainings. 5. Farms are random-sampled by the certifying body during inspections for testing of chemical contamination. 6. We give incentive to coconut farmers for good organic coconut farming practice. I hope the above help. Tony ________________________________ From: Severino Magat <severino_magat@...> " Coconut Oil " <Coconut Oil > Sent: Sun, July 24, 2011 10:11:37 PM Subject: Re: Re: Centrifuged VCO Tony, Thanks much for your reply. Further query please: as you are based in Davao (Southern Mindanao) that hosts or grows many commercial plantations which apply almost regularly pesticides and synthetic fertilizers to achieve desired high crop yields, I wonder how you and the organic farms insure that source raw materials (fresh nuts) are naturally produced from organic farms (100%). By the way, have you established the minimum distance of " should be coconut organic farms " from non-organic commercial plantations [fruit crops, beverage crops (cacao and coffee) including cereal grains as rice and corn]. Thanks and regards. Sev Magat ________________________________ From: AGPacific Nutriceutical <agnutriceutical@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 5:59 AM Subject: Re: Re: Centrifuged VCO Hi Prof.Magat, Practically all our centrifuged VCO production is exported in bulk. We dont export any other product at this time. Our factory is in Davao. We buy coconuts from accredited organic coconut farms. We harvest the coconuts directly from our supplier's farms to control maturity of nuts and freshness. No problem at all with your queries. Thanks. Tony ________________________________ From: Severino Magat <severino_magat@...> " Coconut Oil " <Coconut Oil > Sent: Fri, July 22, 2011 3:17:32 PM Subject: Re: Re: Centrifuged VCO Tony, Thanks for sharing your experience. What's the trade name or label of your VCO and VCO-based products, and the location of your processing plant ? Do you grow your coconut raw materials (nuts). Pardon, if you feel my queries are those you don't expected asked from my end. Thanks, Sev Magat ________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 Tony, Your clarifications is well appreciated. Glad to know that your customer(s) are the ones  that certifies organic your VCO.  I understand an independent certifying body  does it based from the inspectors reports of an applicant conditions/practices. Correct me if I'm wrong. A VCO  product to be certified organic must use organically produced nuts from organiccally grown trees following a natural/organic processing techniques. All the best, Sev Magat ________________________________ From: AGPacific Nutriceutical <agnutriceutical@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 3:40 AM Subject: Re: Re: Organic Coconut Farm  Prof, Magat, Our specific location is Padada, Davao del Sur, about 90% of agricultural land planted to coconuts, about 75% of coconut in natural farms, at least 50% certifiable organic. There are banana, rice, and mango farms but no industrial plantations. The coconut farms are broadly owned by households, average coconut farm size is only about 2.5 hectares. Our centrifuged VCO is certified organic to US and EU standards, by our main customer. At present we only consume less than 10% of the coconuts the area can provide. The nearest industrial banana plantation in the neighbor town of Hagonoy is at least 5 kilometers away. Some info on how we control supply of organic coconuts: 1. We do not buy from coconut farms co-cropped with plants that are usually applied with chemicals, like most varieties of mango, export-varieties of banana, sugarcane, and corn. 2. We do not buy from farms along run-off waterways. We study first the topology of the farm, and land use in relevant areas before we decide. 3. When an organic farm is beside a conventional farm. we establish buffer zone approved by the certifying body. 4. We give continuing training to our coconut suppliers. We regularly implement a 200-hour Course on Organic Coconut Farming, each run is over a 5-month period, conducted by the PCA in our region and DA in our town. The actual use of parasitoid as means to control brontispa in coconut farms started in our area as one of the results of the trainings. 5. Farms are random-sampled by the certifying body during inspections for testing of chemical contamination. 6. We give incentive to coconut farmers for good organic coconut farming practice. I hope the above help. Tony ________________________________ From: Severino Magat <severino_magat@...> " Coconut Oil " <Coconut Oil > Sent: Sun, July 24, 2011 10:11:37 PM Subject: Re: Re: Centrifuged VCO Tony, Thanks much for your reply. Further query please: as you are based in Davao (Southern Mindanao) that hosts or grows many commercial plantations which apply almost regularly pesticides and synthetic fertilizers to achieve desired high crop yields, I wonder how you and the organic farms insure that source raw materials (fresh nuts) are naturally produced from organic farms (100%). By the way, have you established the minimum distance of " should be coconut organic farms " from non-organic commercial plantations [fruit crops, beverage crops (cacao and coffee) including cereal grains as rice and corn]. Thanks and regards. Sev Magat ________________________________ From: AGPacific Nutriceutical <agnutriceutical@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 5:59 AM Subject: Re: Re: Centrifuged VCO Hi Prof.Magat, Practically all our centrifuged VCO production is exported in bulk. We dont export any other product at this time. Our factory is in Davao. We buy coconuts from accredited organic coconut farms. We harvest the coconuts directly from our supplier's farms to control maturity of nuts and freshness. No problem at all with your queries. Thanks. Tony ________________________________ From: Severino Magat <severino_magat@...> " Coconut Oil " <Coconut Oil > Sent: Fri, July 22, 2011 3:17:32 PM Subject: Re: Re: Centrifuged VCO Tony, Thanks for sharing your experience. What's the trade name or label of your VCO and VCO-based products, and the location of your processing plant ? Do you grow your coconut raw materials (nuts). Pardon, if you feel my queries are those you don't expected asked from my end. Thanks, Sev Magat ________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 I just flew over Padada and Sulop in Google Earth -- lotsa rows of trees. The rice paddies are easy to see too. We'd be able to see your house too if you labeled it all good, Duncan > > Prof, Magat, > > Our specific location is Padada, Davao del Sur, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 Here's QFI's statement on the subject: What is organic coconut oil? Organic coconut oil is one that has been certified by specific agencies to adhere to certain standards. However, organic certification agencies do not distinguish between copra and non-copra oils and they do allow for solvent use under certification rules. In effect, organic certification of coconut oil is not a guarantee of naturalness in the sense that it is promoted as such in first world countries. QFI on Virgin Oil de Coco Creme: • Virgin, Certified Organic, Certified Kosher, Unprocessed Coconut Oil all good, Duncan > > Tony, > > Your clarifications is well appreciated. > > Glad to know that your customer(s) are the ones  that certifies organic your VCO.  I understand an independent certifying body  does it based from the inspectors reports of an applicant conditions/practices. Correct me if I'm wrong. A VCO  product to be certified organic must use organically produced nuts from organiccally grown trees following a natural/organic processing techniques. > > All the best, > > Sev Magat > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 Duncan, And here is Nutiva's statement on the subject: Organic Extra-Virgin Coconut Oil Certified organic and non-GMO Made from fresh coconuts, not dried copra Cold-processed Unrefined Chemical-free Unfermented* Unbleached Undeodorized Unhydrogenated Pure white like fresh coconut Tastes like fresh coconut Has a fresh coconut fragrance Made with our Fresh Is Best™ commitment And I'll bet that Tony can say the same about his. In my opinion QFI's statements that their product is " Certified Kosher " and " unprocessed " are totally silly. Kosher certification has no meaning for non-meat products and ALL coconut oil is the product of some kind of process. As we all know, it's the type of process that's important, and since your conversation with Vinia lasted a total of 5 minutes and your free samples were based on your agreement to promote the product, can you tell us why you feel qualified to advise Dr. Magat on the subject? Are you aware that Dr. Magat is an expert in coconut fertilization? See below: Question about coconut yield - Google Groups 2009 " For your information Mike we have already completed the said foliar analyses & #8232;as early as 1992 in the entire archipelago. Dr. Sev Magat led us the way. & #8232;Dr. Magat found out that not only the presence of chlorine in the soil but & #8232;the availability of the chlorine itself to the coconut palm is the main & #8232;issue here. That's why the Philippine Coconut Authority, the agency that & #8232;takes care of the development of the coconut industry generally recommends & #8232;table salt. " And you can find a posting from him here: https://groups.google.com/group/coconut/msg/276acdb66f6a6d1b Dee > > > > Tony, > > > > Your clarifications is well appreciated. > > > > Glad to know that your customer(s) are the ones  that certifies organic your VCO.  I understand an independent certifying body  does it based from the inspectors reports of an applicant conditions/practices. Correct me if I'm wrong. A VCO  product to be certified organic must use organically produced nuts from organiccally grown trees following a natural/organic processing techniques. > > > > All the best, > > > > Sev Magat > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 Dee, no it was much more like like I said, that Vinia gave me a five minute discourse on the nature of the patented VCO extraction equipment that makes Virgin Oil de Coco Creme in one pass. Overall, my conversations with her lasted around than an hour a couple of times, and several times were less than 15 minutes. And, I never got any free samples from QFI nor did I indicate I had; I shouldered my own load and paid for mine the normal way. Reading and comprehension, Dee. Quit dithering. all good, Duncan >since your conversation with Vinia lasted a total of 5 minutes and your free samples were based on your agreement to promote the product, can you tell us why you feel qualified to advise Dr. Magat on the subject? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 > >snip > > And, I never got any free samples from QFI nor did I indicate I had; I shouldered my own load and paid for mine the normal way. > > Reading and comprehension, Dee. Quit dithering. > > all good, > Duncan, Then what exactly did you mean when you posted the following in message #36457 on Jul 22: " Are you still giving free samples of your centrifuged coconut oil to list members Tony? My son has some Quality First Virgin Oil de Coco Creme to do a side-by-side comparison with. Quality First also sent about 40 free samples of Virgin Oil de Coco Creme in 2007 over a period of two weeks when I mentioned it on two health lists. " end quote Dee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 On 2011-07-25 11:23 PM, Dolores <dgk@...> wrote: > Quality First also sent about 40 free samples of Virgin Oil de Coco > Creme in2007 over a period of two weeks when I mentioned it on two > health lists. " end quote He didn't say they sent them TO HIM, Dee... Like Duncan said: reading comprehension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 Dee, the passage means I asked Tony if he sends out free samples like QFI did or does. I used up my own jars of Virgin Oil de Coco Creme but my son still has some product left to compare to Tony's. Like I said, reading and comprehension....nobody said I or my son had free samples if that's what you were thinking; your imagination was working very hard last night all good, Duncan > > > >snip > > > > And, I never got any free samples from QFI nor did I indicate I had; I shouldered my own load and paid for mine the normal way. > > > > Reading and comprehension, Dee. Quit dithering. > > > all good, > > > > Duncan, > > Then what exactly did you mean when you posted the following in message #36457 on Jul 22: > > " Are you still giving free samples of your centrifuged coconut oil to list > members Tony? My son has some Quality First Virgin Oil de Coco Creme to do a > side-by-side comparison with. > > Quality First also sent about 40 free samples of Virgin Oil de Coco Creme in > 2007 over a period of two weeks when I mentioned it on two health lists. " end quote > > Dee > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 Ok Duncan, I'll take your word for it - but that wasn't the point of my original post so I'll start over without the disputed part. Feel free to dispute the rest: And here is Nutiva's (no association with) statement on the subject: Organic Extra-Virgin Coconut Oil Certified organic and non-GMO Made from fresh coconuts, not dried copra Cold-processed Unrefined Chemical-free Unfermented* Unbleached Undeodorized Unhydrogenated Pure white like fresh coconut Tastes like fresh coconut Has a fresh coconut fragrance Made with our Fresh Is Best™ commitment And I'll bet that Tony can say the same about his. In my opinion QFI's statements that their product is " Certified Kosher " and " unprocessed " are totally silly. Kosher certification has no meaning for non-meat products and ALL coconut oil is the product of some kind of process. As we all know, it's the type of process that's important. Can you tell us why you feel qualified to advise Dr. Magat on the subject? Are you aware that Dr. Magat is an expert in coconut fertilization? You can find a posting from him here: https://groups.google.com/group/coconut/msg/276acdb66f6a6d1b Dee > > Here's QFI's statement on the subject: > > What is organic coconut oil? > Organic coconut oil is one that has been certified by specific agencies to adhere to certain standards. However, organic certification agencies do not distinguish between copra and non-copra oils and they do allow for solvent use under certification rules. In effect, organic certification of coconut oil is not a guarantee of naturalness in the sense that it is promoted as such in first world countries. > > QFI on Virgin Oil de Coco Creme: > > • Virgin, Certified Organic, Certified Kosher, Unprocessed Coconut Oil > > all good, > > Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 I dont have a house there - I live in my sister's family house when am there. Our factory is south of the town center - the only structure with a lagoon at the back. Under those coconut trees are lotsa cobras - the phillippine cobra. Tony ________________________________ From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Mon, July 25, 2011 11:43:55 PM Subject: Re: Organic Coconut Farm I just flew over Padada and Sulop in Google Earth -- lotsa rows of trees. The rice paddies are easy to see too. We'd be able to see your house too if you labeled it all good, Duncan > > Prof, Magat, > > Our specific location is Padada, Davao del Sur, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Tans, So what does this mean? Duncan wrote: ... " when IIII mentioned it on two health lists. " Obviously it referred to him as he writes about the products he sells in some publications. Right???? > > Quality First also sent about 40 free samples of Virgin Oil de Coco > > Creme in2007 over a period of two weeks when> > He didn't say they sent them TO HIM, Dee... > > Like Duncan said: reading comprehension. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 On 2011-07-27 11:03 AM, <@...> wrote: > So what does this mean? Duncan wrote: ... " when IIII mentioned it on two > health lists. " Obviously it referred to him as he writes about the > products he sells in some publications. Right???? He mentioned it on two health lists... as a result, they gave out a bunch of free samples - but not to HIM, to others who asked for them... Reading with comprehension is really pretty simple, once you get the hang of it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 ... " when IIII mentioned it on two > > health lists. " Obviously it referred to him as he writes about the > > products he sells in some publications. Right???? > > He mentioned it on two health lists... as a result, they gave out a > bunch of free samples - but not to HIM, to others who asked for them... > > Reading with comprehension is really pretty simple, once you get the > hang of it... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 He didn't say others asked for samples. A twisted comprehension is something else. ... " when IIII mentioned it on two > > health lists. " Obviously it referred to him as he writes about the > > products he sells in some publications. Right???? > > He mentioned it on two health lists... as a result, they gave out a > bunch of free samples - but not to HIM, to others who asked for them... > > Reading with comprehension is really pretty simple, once you get the > hang of it... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 On 2011-07-27 1:10 PM, <@...> wrote: > He didn't say others asked for samples. A twisted comprehension is > something else. I didn't say he said others ASKED for them. He said 'they gave out a bunch of free samples " . He did NOT say they gave HIM a bunch of free sample. Logic suggests they gave out a bunch of free samples to others who asked for them... your logic may be twisted, mine is sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 You are basing your argument on your assumptions...i base mine on what Duncan wrote. > > He didn't say others asked for samples. A twisted comprehension is > > something else. > > I didn't say he said others ASKED for them. He said 'they gave out a > bunch of free samples " . He did NOT say they gave HIM a bunch of free > sample. Logic suggests they gave out a bunch of free samples to others > who asked for them... your logic may be twisted, mine is sound. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 is right --QFI gave out a bunch of samples to people who wrote in and asked for them. All I did was write about their Virgin Oil de Coco Creme after I bought some and QFI followed up with a sample offer. all good, Duncan > > He didn't say others asked for samples. A twisted comprehension is > > something else. > > I didn't say he said others ASKED for them. He said 'they gave out a > bunch of free samples " . He did NOT say they gave HIM a bunch of free > sample. Logic suggests they gave out a bunch of free samples to others > who asked for them... your logic may be twisted, mine is sound. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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