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Prof, Magat,

Our specific location is Padada, Davao del Sur, about 90% of agricultural land

planted to coconuts, about 75% of coconut in natural farms, at least 50%

certifiable organic. There are banana, rice, and mango farms but no industrial

plantations. The coconut farms are broadly owned by households, average coconut

farm size is only about 2.5 hectares. Our centrifuged VCO is certified organic

to US and EU standards, by our main customer. At present we only consume less

than 10% of the coconuts the area can provide. The nearest industrial banana

plantation in the neighbor town of Hagonoy is at least 5 kilometers away.

Some info on how we control supply of organic coconuts:

1. We do not buy from coconut farms co-cropped with plants that are usually

applied with chemicals, like most varieties of mango, export-varieties of

banana, sugarcane, and corn.

2. We do not buy from farms along run-off waterways. We study first the

topology of the farm, and land use in relevant areas before we decide.

3. When an organic farm is beside a conventional farm. we establish buffer zone

approved by the certifying body.

4. We give continuing training to our coconut suppliers. We regularly implement

a 200-hour Course on Organic Coconut Farming, each run is over a 5-month period,

conducted by the PCA in our region and DA in our town. The actual use of

parasitoid as means to control brontispa in coconut farms started in our area as

one of the results of the trainings.

5. Farms are random-sampled by the certifying body during inspections for

testing of chemical contamination.

6. We give incentive to coconut farmers for good organic coconut farming

practice.

I hope the above help.

Tony

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From: Severino Magat <severino_magat@...>

" Coconut Oil "

<Coconut Oil >

Sent: Sun, July 24, 2011 10:11:37 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Centrifuged VCO

Tony,

Thanks much for your reply. Further query please: as you are based in Davao

(Southern Mindanao) that hosts or grows many commercial plantations which apply

almost regularly pesticides and synthetic fertilizers to achieve desired high

crop yields, I wonder how you and the organic farms insure that source raw

materials (fresh nuts) are naturally produced from organic farms (100%). By the

way, have you established the minimum distance of " should be coconut organic

farms " from non-organic commercial plantations [fruit crops, beverage crops

(cacao and coffee) including cereal grains as rice and corn].

Thanks and regards.

Sev Magat

________________________________

From: AGPacific Nutriceutical <agnutriceutical@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 5:59 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Centrifuged VCO

Hi Prof.Magat,

Practically all our centrifuged VCO production is exported in bulk. We dont

export any other product at this time. Our factory is in Davao. We buy coconuts

from accredited organic coconut farms. We harvest the coconuts directly from our

supplier's farms to control maturity of nuts and freshness.

No problem at all with your queries. Thanks.

Tony

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From: Severino Magat <severino_magat@...>

" Coconut Oil "

<Coconut Oil >

Sent: Fri, July 22, 2011 3:17:32 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Centrifuged VCO

Tony,

Thanks for sharing your experience. What's the trade name or label of your VCO

and VCO-based products, and the location of your processing plant ? Do you grow

your coconut raw materials (nuts).

Pardon, if you feel my queries are those you don't expected asked from my end.

Thanks,

Sev Magat

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Tony, 

Your clarifications is well appreciated.

Glad to know that your customer(s) are the ones  that certifies organic your

VCO.  I understand an independent certifying body  does it based from the

inspectors reports of an applicant conditions/practices. Correct me if I'm

wrong. A VCO  product to be certified organic must use organically produced

nuts from organiccally grown trees following a natural/organic processing

techniques.

All the best,

Sev Magat 

________________________________

From: AGPacific Nutriceutical <agnutriceutical@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 3:40 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Organic Coconut Farm

 

Prof, Magat,

Our specific location is Padada, Davao del Sur, about 90% of agricultural land

planted to coconuts, about 75% of coconut in natural farms, at least 50%

certifiable organic. There are banana, rice, and mango farms but no industrial

plantations. The coconut farms are broadly owned by households, average coconut

farm size is only about 2.5 hectares. Our centrifuged VCO is certified organic

to US and EU standards, by our main customer. At present we only consume less

than 10% of the coconuts the area can provide. The nearest industrial banana

plantation in the neighbor town of Hagonoy is at least 5 kilometers away.

Some info on how we control supply of organic coconuts:

1. We do not buy from coconut farms co-cropped with plants that are usually

applied with chemicals, like most varieties of mango, export-varieties of

banana, sugarcane, and corn.

2. We do not buy from farms along run-off waterways. We study first the

topology of the farm, and land use in relevant areas before we decide.

3. When an organic farm is beside a conventional farm. we establish buffer zone

approved by the certifying body.

4. We give continuing training to our coconut suppliers. We regularly implement

a 200-hour Course on Organic Coconut Farming, each run is over a 5-month period,

conducted by the PCA in our region and DA in our town. The actual use of

parasitoid as means to control brontispa in coconut farms started in our area as

one of the results of the trainings.

5. Farms are random-sampled by the certifying body during inspections for

testing of chemical contamination.

6. We give incentive to coconut farmers for good organic coconut farming

practice.

I hope the above help.

Tony

________________________________

From: Severino Magat <severino_magat@...>

" Coconut Oil "

<Coconut Oil >

Sent: Sun, July 24, 2011 10:11:37 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Centrifuged VCO

Tony,

Thanks much for your reply. Further query please: as you are based in Davao

(Southern Mindanao) that hosts or grows many commercial plantations which apply

almost regularly pesticides and synthetic fertilizers to achieve desired high

crop yields, I wonder how you and the organic farms insure that source raw

materials (fresh nuts) are naturally produced from organic farms (100%). By the

way, have you established the minimum distance of " should be coconut organic

farms " from non-organic commercial plantations [fruit crops, beverage crops

(cacao and coffee) including cereal grains as rice and corn].

Thanks and regards.

Sev Magat

________________________________

From: AGPacific Nutriceutical <agnutriceutical@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 5:59 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Centrifuged VCO

Hi Prof.Magat,

Practically all our centrifuged VCO production is exported in bulk. We dont

export any other product at this time. Our factory is in Davao. We buy coconuts

from accredited organic coconut farms. We harvest the coconuts directly from our

supplier's farms to control maturity of nuts and freshness.

No problem at all with your queries. Thanks.

Tony

________________________________

From: Severino Magat <severino_magat@...>

" Coconut Oil "

<Coconut Oil >

Sent: Fri, July 22, 2011 3:17:32 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Centrifuged VCO

Tony,

Thanks for sharing your experience. What's the trade name or label of your VCO

and VCO-based products, and the location of your processing plant ? Do you grow

your coconut raw materials (nuts).

Pardon, if you feel my queries are those you don't expected asked from my end.

Thanks,

Sev Magat

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I just flew over Padada and Sulop in Google Earth -- lotsa rows of trees. The

rice paddies are easy to see too. We'd be able to see your house too if you

labeled it :)

all good,

Duncan

>

> Prof, Magat,

>

> Our specific location is Padada, Davao del Sur,

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Here's QFI's statement on the subject:

What is organic coconut oil?

Organic coconut oil is one that has been certified by specific agencies to

adhere to certain standards. However, organic certification agencies do not

distinguish between copra and non-copra oils and they do allow for solvent use

under certification rules. In effect, organic certification of coconut oil is

not a guarantee of naturalness in the sense that it is promoted as such in

first world countries.

QFI on Virgin Oil de Coco Creme:

• Virgin, Certified Organic, Certified Kosher, Unprocessed Coconut Oil

all good,

Duncan

>

> Tony, 

>

> Your clarifications is well appreciated.

>

> Glad to know that your customer(s) are the ones  that certifies organic your

VCO.  I understand an independent certifying body  does it based from the

inspectors reports of an applicant conditions/practices. Correct me if I'm

wrong. A VCO  product to be certified organic must use organically produced

nuts from organiccally grown trees following a natural/organic processing

techniques.

>

> All the best,

>

> Sev Magat 

>

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Duncan,

And here is Nutiva's statement on the subject:

Organic Extra-Virgin Coconut Oil

Certified organic and non-GMO

Made from fresh coconuts, not dried copra

Cold-processed

Unrefined

Chemical-free

Unfermented*

Unbleached

Undeodorized

Unhydrogenated

Pure white like fresh coconut

Tastes like fresh coconut

Has a fresh coconut fragrance

Made with our Fresh Is Best™ commitment

And I'll bet that Tony can say the same about his. In my opinion QFI's

statements that their product is " Certified Kosher " and " unprocessed " are

totally silly. Kosher certification has no meaning for non-meat products and ALL

coconut oil is the product of some kind of process. As we all know, it's the

type of process that's important, and since your conversation with Vinia lasted

a total of 5 minutes and your free samples were based on your agreement to

promote the product, can you tell us why you feel qualified to advise Dr. Magat

on the subject? Are you aware that Dr. Magat is an expert in coconut

fertilization? See below:

Question about coconut yield - Google Groups 2009

" For your information Mike we have already completed the said foliar analyses

& #8232;as early as 1992 in the entire archipelago. Dr. Sev Magat led us the way.

& #8232;Dr. Magat found out that not only the presence of chlorine in the soil

but & #8232;the availability of the chlorine itself to the coconut palm is the

main & #8232;issue here. That's why the Philippine Coconut Authority, the agency

that & #8232;takes care of the development of the coconut industry generally

recommends & #8232;table salt. "

And you can find a posting from him here:

https://groups.google.com/group/coconut/msg/276acdb66f6a6d1b

Dee

> >

> > Tony, 

> >

> > Your clarifications is well appreciated.

> >

> > Glad to know that your customer(s) are the ones  that certifies organic

your VCO.  I understand an independent certifying body  does it based from the

inspectors reports of an applicant conditions/practices. Correct me if I'm

wrong. A VCO  product to be certified organic must use organically produced

nuts from organiccally grown trees following a natural/organic processing

techniques.

> >

> > All the best,

> >

> > Sev Magat 

> >

>

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Dee, no it was much more like like I said, that Vinia gave me a five minute

discourse on the nature of the patented VCO extraction equipment that makes

Virgin Oil de Coco Creme in one pass.

Overall, my conversations with her lasted around than an hour a couple of times,

and several times were less than 15 minutes.

And, I never got any free samples from QFI nor did I indicate I had; I

shouldered my own load and paid for mine the normal way.

Reading and comprehension, Dee. Quit dithering.

all good,

Duncan

>since your conversation with Vinia lasted a total of 5 minutes and your free

samples were based on your agreement to promote the product, can you tell us why

you feel qualified to advise Dr. Magat on the subject?

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>

>snip

>

> And, I never got any free samples from QFI nor did I indicate I had; I

shouldered my own load and paid for mine the normal way.

>

> Reading and comprehension, Dee. Quit dithering.

> > all good,

>

Duncan,

Then what exactly did you mean when you posted the following in message #36457

on Jul 22:

" Are you still giving free samples of your centrifuged coconut oil to list

members Tony? My son has some Quality First Virgin Oil de Coco Creme to do a

side-by-side comparison with.

Quality First also sent about 40 free samples of Virgin Oil de Coco Creme in

2007 over a period of two weeks when I mentioned it on two health lists. " end

quote

Dee

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On 2011-07-25 11:23 PM, Dolores <dgk@...> wrote:

> Quality First also sent about 40 free samples of Virgin Oil de Coco

> Creme in2007 over a period of two weeks when I mentioned it on two

> health lists. " end quote

He didn't say they sent them TO HIM, Dee...

Like Duncan said: reading comprehension.

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Dee, the passage means I asked Tony if he sends out free samples like QFI did or

does. I used up my own jars of Virgin Oil de Coco Creme but my son still has

some product left to compare to Tony's. Like I said, reading and

comprehension....nobody said I or my son had free samples if that's what you

were thinking; your imagination was working very hard last night ;)

all good,

Duncan

> >

> >snip

> >

> > And, I never got any free samples from QFI nor did I indicate I had; I

shouldered my own load and paid for mine the normal way.

> >

> > Reading and comprehension, Dee. Quit dithering.

> > > all good,

> >

>

> Duncan,

>

> Then what exactly did you mean when you posted the following in message #36457

on Jul 22:

>

> " Are you still giving free samples of your centrifuged coconut oil to list

> members Tony? My son has some Quality First Virgin Oil de Coco Creme to do a

> side-by-side comparison with.

>

> Quality First also sent about 40 free samples of Virgin Oil de Coco Creme in

> 2007 over a period of two weeks when I mentioned it on two health lists. " end

quote

>

> Dee

>

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Ok Duncan, I'll take your word for it - but that wasn't the point of my original

post so I'll start over without the disputed part. Feel free to dispute the

rest:

And here is Nutiva's (no association with) statement on the subject:

Organic Extra-Virgin Coconut Oil

Certified organic and non-GMO

Made from fresh coconuts, not dried copra

Cold-processed

Unrefined

Chemical-free

Unfermented*

Unbleached

Undeodorized

Unhydrogenated

Pure white like fresh coconut

Tastes like fresh coconut

Has a fresh coconut fragrance

Made with our Fresh Is Best™ commitment

And I'll bet that Tony can say the same about his. In my opinion QFI's

statements that their product is " Certified Kosher " and " unprocessed " are

totally silly. Kosher certification has no meaning for non-meat products and ALL

coconut oil is the product of some kind of process. As we all know, it's the

type of process that's important. Can you tell us why you feel qualified to

advise Dr. Magat

on the subject? Are you aware that Dr. Magat is an expert in coconut

fertilization? You can find a posting from him here:

https://groups.google.com/group/coconut/msg/276acdb66f6a6d1b

Dee

>

> Here's QFI's statement on the subject:

>

> What is organic coconut oil?

> Organic coconut oil is one that has been certified by specific agencies to

adhere to certain standards. However, organic certification agencies do not

distinguish between copra and non-copra oils and they do allow for solvent use

under certification rules. In effect, organic certification of coconut oil is

not a guarantee of naturalness in the sense that it is promoted as such in

first world countries.

>

> QFI on Virgin Oil de Coco Creme:

>

> • Virgin, Certified Organic, Certified Kosher, Unprocessed Coconut Oil

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

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I dont have a house there - I live in my sister's family house when am there.

Our factory is south of the town center - the only structure with a lagoon at

the back.

Under those coconut trees are lotsa cobras - the phillippine cobra. :)

Tony

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From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Mon, July 25, 2011 11:43:55 PM

Subject: Re: Organic Coconut Farm

I just flew over Padada and Sulop in Google Earth -- lotsa rows of trees. The

rice paddies are easy to see too. We'd be able to see your house too if you

labeled it :)

all good,

Duncan

>

> Prof, Magat,

>

> Our specific location is Padada, Davao del Sur,

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Tans,

So what does this mean? Duncan wrote: ... " when IIII mentioned it on two

health lists. " Obviously it referred to him as he writes about the products he

sells in some publications. Right????

> > Quality First also sent about 40 free samples of Virgin Oil de Coco

> > Creme in2007 over a period of two weeks when>

> He didn't say they sent them TO HIM, Dee...

>

> Like Duncan said: reading comprehension.

>

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On 2011-07-27 11:03 AM, <@...> wrote:

> So what does this mean? Duncan wrote: ... " when IIII mentioned it on two

> health lists. " Obviously it referred to him as he writes about the

> products he sells in some publications. Right????

He mentioned it on two health lists... as a result, they gave out a

bunch of free samples - but not to HIM, to others who asked for them...

Reading with comprehension is really pretty simple, once you get the

hang of it...

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... " when IIII mentioned it on two

> > health lists. " Obviously it referred to him as he writes about the

> > products he sells in some publications. Right????

>

> He mentioned it on two health lists... as a result, they gave out a

> bunch of free samples - but not to HIM, to others who asked for them...

>

> Reading with comprehension is really pretty simple, once you get the

> hang of it...

>

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He didn't say others asked for samples. A twisted comprehension is something

else.

... " when IIII mentioned it on two

> > health lists. " Obviously it referred to him as he writes about the

> > products he sells in some publications. Right????

>

> He mentioned it on two health lists... as a result, they gave out a

> bunch of free samples - but not to HIM, to others who asked for them...

>

> Reading with comprehension is really pretty simple, once you get the

> hang of it...

>

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On 2011-07-27 1:10 PM, <@...> wrote:

> He didn't say others asked for samples. A twisted comprehension is

> something else.

I didn't say he said others ASKED for them. He said 'they gave out a

bunch of free samples " . He did NOT say they gave HIM a bunch of free

sample. Logic suggests they gave out a bunch of free samples to others

who asked for them... your logic may be twisted, mine is sound.

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You are basing your argument on your assumptions...i base mine on what Duncan

wrote.

> > He didn't say others asked for samples. A twisted comprehension is

> > something else.

>

> I didn't say he said others ASKED for them. He said 'they gave out a

> bunch of free samples " . He did NOT say they gave HIM a bunch of free

> sample. Logic suggests they gave out a bunch of free samples to others

> who asked for them... your logic may be twisted, mine is sound.

>

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is right --QFI gave out a bunch of samples to people who wrote in and

asked for them. All I did was write about their Virgin Oil de Coco Creme after I

bought some and QFI followed up with a sample offer.

all good,

Duncan

> > He didn't say others asked for samples. A twisted comprehension is

> > something else.

>

> I didn't say he said others ASKED for them. He said 'they gave out a

> bunch of free samples " . He did NOT say they gave HIM a bunch of free

> sample. Logic suggests they gave out a bunch of free samples to others

> who asked for them... your logic may be twisted, mine is sound.

>

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