Re: Hip and Knee Pain-Dolores

[Guest guest]

Bernard Cain, we have been advised by bio-oxidative therapists to use oxygen

supplements that give off nascent oxygen only on an empty stomach so the O1

molecules released do not react with and oxidize the food in your stomach,

making nutrients unavailable and using up the nascent oxygen.

Your great results may not even be from the oxygen

all good,

Duncan

>> I also take 2 level teaspoons of bulk MSM and 30 drops of aerobic oxygen in

> 3 oz hot water, and then add 6 ounces of V-8 juice, 30 minutes before

> Breakfast 7 am,

>

Bernard Cain

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Bernard,

Thanks so much for your post. It's great to hear from someone who's facing the

same challenge and I admire the dedication you are devoting to it! I'm trying to

do the same so I'm glad you've mentioned several things I haven't yet heard

about. I find the mustard oil particularly intriguing. I researched it after you

mentioned it and found that, among other things, it's an irritant - which may

account for it's help with arthritis. The reason I say that is because prolozone

(a therapy that injects ozone into into the joints) initially acts as an

irritant that increases the circulation needed to re-grow cartilage and also

alleviates pain. The aerobic oxygen that you're taking may also be contributing

to the action so I'll look into that as well. Do you have any particular brands

you can recommend?

All the Best,

Dee

>

> Sorry to hear about your hip and knee pain. I have the same problem, it

> seems to come and go, following my moods of Anger, Depression Frustration

> etc. I also lay on my back and pedal my bike, but usually just give them a

> good long shake, and talk to the little man inside me, to get to work and

> deliver more Blood and Oxygen to my right leg.

>

> He usually answers, to stop cheating, stick to my diet, No Sugar, Nothing

> made from white flower, No white potatoes, Natural only. I then massage my

> thigh tendons at the point of pain, with oil and DMSO mixed 50% / 50%. If

> you live in a warm climate where coconut is usually liquid, or it may be

> necessary to warm it up, it works well with DMSO, but it must be warm and

> well mixed.( Shaken). I use mustard oil and DMSO 50% / 50% ( Mustard Oil is

> usually always liquid, ( DMSO freezes at 62 ' F )( By using mustard oil I

> reduce the freezing point of DMSO) ( product stays mixed better not

> necessary to warm before use, just shake and rub.) Mustard Oil seems to

> relieve pain when used by itself

>

> but when mixed with DMSO it really works. Its a great massage oil by itself.

> ( New Brunswick Canada.)

>

>

>

> I also take 2 level teaspoons of bulk MSM and 30 drops of aerobic oxygen in

> 3 oz hot water, and then add 6 ounces of V-8 juice, 30 minutes before

> Breakfast 7 am,

>

> Dinner or lunch 12 noon , and Supper 6 pm. No eating after 7pm. I also

> take any Vitamins & Mineral Supplements and or Prescriptions drugs with my

> MSM. Yes I do

>

> miss at times, yes the problems let you know by their return. MSM only stays

> in the body for a few hours, the body takes what it wants and what is left

> passes out with the water. It is not stored in the body. The extra OXYGEN

> sure helps, my hart was only operating at 12 % two years ago, now it is back

> up to 35%. All my blockage inside my hart , the

>

> surgeon said I would never get off the operating table, to old ( 1931 )

> plus I am a diabetic, I couldn't walk across the street with out resting for

> 5 or 10 minutes, they sent me home with medication two years ago. Things

> have really improved. A book that has really helped me understand what is

> going on in the body is by Dr. E.Sharno M.D.

>

> The Mind Body Prescription 0-446-52076-4 1998 . You should be able to get

> it used for $2.00. I would appreciate any information on persons that have

> successfully used

>

> coconut oil to help reverse brain disorders . I have a lot of old school

> buddies that could use assistance, I am not able to convince the family

> members that they should try coconut oil .Most of them are in Private Old

> Age homes, or hospitals. Only family members can get to them, none of these

> institutions use coconut oil. If there is anything you do not understand, or

> you require information about, feel free to e-mail me. Bernard Cain

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My suggestion is: Increase this to at least 2 heaping tablespoons full

until ALL of the pain is gone. Do this by putting a tblspn full in your

mouth, follow it with water, swish it around, hold it and swallow.

I also take 2 level teaspoons of bulk MSM and 30 drops of aerobic oxygen in

3 oz hot water, and then add 6 ounces of V-8 juice, 30 minutes before

Breakfast 7 am,

[Guest guest]

Ok, I have a problem with the idea of the aerobic oxygen and its claims.  It

makes very little sense.  One site makes this claim,

It kills all anaerobic (infectious) bacteria while leaving untouched bacteria

that is harmless / good for you.

http://www.oxygenforlife.net/About/about.html

Now it is true that the presense of O2 kills some anaerobic bacteria, but will

not touch aerobic bacteria, not all of which is good for you.  But any O2 will

do.  Of course, anaerobic bacteria can only grow in the absence or severe

reduction of O2 so that means that either the circulation to the spot is cut

off, or never was there in the first place and the O2 drops haven't a prayer

in

getting there either.

Here are the 3 types of anerobic bacteria:  courtesy of Wikipedia

* obligate anaerobes, which cannot use oxygen for growth and are even harmed by

it

* aerotolerant organisms, which cannot use oxygen for growth, but tolerate the

presence of it

* facultative anaerobes, which can grow without oxygen but can utilize oxygen

if it is present

So even if it worked, it can only kill one kind.

 

Plus it claims to clean up or allow long term storage of water.  But doesn't

say

how long...

This site tells you everything you need to store water...and yes you use

chlorine which dissipates after a few minutes.

http://www.bae.ncsu.edu/programs/extension/publicat/wqwm/emergwatersuppl.html

And lets you store water for 1 year, preferably in glass containers.

And, as near as I can tell, only fishys can extract oxygen out of water through

gills.  We get our O2 through our lungs.  And as a person with COPD, believe

me,

I wish there was another way....

MSM does help some people, but not everyone.  So if it helps you go for it... 

but V8 juice.. 

I suspect it is better than fruit juices, just barely, but most of what is good

[the enzymes] has been pasturized out it.  For a vegetable juice to be alive,

you need to be doing it yourself at home or buying it from a juice bar that

makes it fresh in front of you.   

There is something that can help and you can buy it at your local Walmart or

most local grocers.  I tried it, it works, but you have to do it all the time,

meaning everyday, and for me, there is too much sugar in the juice.... though I

suppose if my pain was way worse, I would do it all the time anyway. 

http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/2010/08/18/certo-and-grape-juice-loosened-stiff-k\

nee/

ps.. the people's pharmacy has a great weekly podcast you can listen to at the

site or download through iTunes or some other podcatcher.  They deal with both

mainstream and alternative health issues and ideas.

Thanks,

________________________________

From: Huuman <huuman60@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Tue, August 2, 2011 11:53:51 AM

Subject: Re: Hip and Knee Pain-Dolores

 

My suggestion is: Increase this to at least 2 heaping tablespoons full

until ALL of the pain is gone. Do this by putting a tblspn full in your

mouth, follow it with water, swish it around, hold it and swallow.

I also take 2 level teaspoons of bulk MSM and 30 drops of aerobic oxygen in

3 oz hot water, and then add 6 ounces of V-8 juice, 30 minutes before

Breakfast 7 am,

[Guest guest]

'Aerobic Oxygen' is NOT about 'O2'.

It is sodium chlorite... a much weaker version of the stuff (3%?) now

called MMS (Miracle Mineral Supplement - 27%?) promoted by Jim what his

name...

On 2011-08-02 1:20 PM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> Ok, I have a problem with the idea of the aerobic oxygen and its

> claims. It makes very little sense. One site makes this claim,

>

> It kills all anaerobic (infectious) bacteria while leaving untouched

> bacteria that is harmless / good for you.

>

> http://www.oxygenforlife.net/About/about.html

>

> Now it is true that the presense of O2 kills some anaerobic

> bacteria, but will not touch aerobic bacteria, not all of which is

> good for you. But any O2 will do. Of course, anaerobic bacteria can

> only grow in the absence or severe reduction of O2 so that means that

> either the circulation to the spot is cut off, or never was there in

> the first place and the O2 drops haven't a prayer in getting there

> either.

[Guest guest]

Being a germicide is true for stabilised oxygen products in concentration, which

means it is very dose-dependent.

The therapeutic dose for the " best " nascent oxygen (O1) delivery vehicle,

Homozon, is up to a couple of rounded teaspoons; this is enough to kill quite a

few organisms in the upper GI tract but as it releases O1 it also depletes so

when it gets to the colon, there's very little nascent oxygen still being given

off to kill anything unless the doses are up there.

The dose for peroxide, which is probably second best for delivery through the

intestine but pretty potent, and the dose for most of the stablilised products,

is similar, on the order of drops added to a glass of water. That just isn't

enough concentration to kill anything in the gut with, although it will clear

the germs in the glass of water.

Nascent oxygen (O1) kills both anaerobic and aerobic bacteria if they are in

sufficient potency. This is the principle of ozone therapy, which presents

concentrated O1 to the infection.

As an ozone therapist I suggest Homozon is vastly superior to stabilised oxygen

drops and also more potent than other magnesium peroxide formulas 15 drops

of food grade hydrogen peroxide in a glass of water is also more potent than

stabilised oxygen drops.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Ok, I have a problem with the idea of the aerobic oxygen and its claims.  It

> makes very little sense.  One site makes this claim,

>

>

> It kills all anaerobic (infectious) bacteria while leaving untouched bacteria

> that is harmless / good for you.

>

> http://www.oxygenforlife.net/About/about.html

>

> Now it is true that the presense of O2 kills some anaerobic bacteria, but will

> not touch aerobic bacteria, not all of which is good for you.  But any O2

will

> do.  Of course, anaerobic bacteria can only grow in the absence or severe

> reduction of O2 so that means that either the circulation to the spot is cut

> off, or never was there in the first place and the O2 drops haven't a prayer

in

> getting there either.

>

> Here are the 3 types of anerobic bacteria:  courtesy of Wikipedia

> * obligate anaerobes, which cannot use oxygen for growth and are even harmed

by

> it

> * aerotolerant organisms, which cannot use oxygen for growth, but tolerate

the

> presence of it

> * facultative anaerobes, which can grow without oxygen but can utilize oxygen

> if it is present

> So even if it worked, it can only kill one kind.

> >

> Thanks,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jim,

I have already worked up to 2+ TBS. I mix it with lemon water but can also take

it by mouth now with no problem except that a TBS is just too much in my mouth

at a time so dissolving in water with some lemon juice is easier for me. It does

help some but all pain is definitely not gone as yet.

Can you tell me what you think is the benefit of the aerobic oxygen and why you

take it? Is it for osteoarthritis - or something else? I found an interesting

article on it here:

http://www.positivehealth.com/article/nutrition/history-of-oxygen-therapies

but no mention of use for arthritis. Is it because it improves the absorption of

essential nutrients?

Thanks,

Dee

>

> My suggestion is: Increase this to at least 2 heaping tablespoons full

> until ALL of the pain is gone. Do this by putting a tblspn full in your

> mouth, follow it with water, swish it around, hold it and swallow.

>

>

> I also take 2 level teaspoons of bulk MSM and 30 drops of aerobic oxygen in

> 3 oz hot water, and then add 6 ounces of V-8 juice, 30 minutes before

> Breakfast 7 am,

>

[Guest guest]

For people with muscle pain I would suggest they look into a magnesium

deficiency which is very common and it can also cause depression/anxiety among

other things. Read " The Magnesium Miracle " by Dr. Dean. a

-

[Guest guest]

MSM only helps those who take enough of it. Most do not.

>MSM does help some people, but not everyone. So if it helps you go

for it...

but V8 juice.. <

[Guest guest]

The key word is " Heaping. " A 1/2 cup/day is required if you have joint

problems. Since you absorb most of it in your mouth, it is more

effective when you take it straight followed by water. Your method

requires even more than 1/2 cup. Keep taking more and more till the

pain is gone, that is your measure. When it subsides, cut back. When

taken with exercises, It will heal you given half a chance.

>I have already worked up to 2+ TBS.<

[Guest guest]

True for arthritis also, not just muscles. Magnesium is a great heart

food (a large muscle). I recommend Dr. Mark Sircus' Book and

transdermal as well as oral... the idea is to get as much as you can

with supplementation. Oral supplementation possibilities are very

limited, but Magnesium Asporotate is my favorite. Magnesium deficiencies

are rampant in our population as these books point out.

>For people with muscle pain I would suggest they look into a magnesium

deficiency which is very common and it can also cause depression/anxiety

among other things. Read " The Magnesium Miracle " by Dr. Dean. a<

[Guest guest]

Jim,

2 heaping TBS would equal approx. 3 TBS. In previous posts you mentioned you

took as much as 1/4 cup - which would equal 4 TBS. Now you are upping that to

1/2 cup - which would be 8 TBS? That's a LOT of MSM to ingest in one day! If I

take it too late in the day I have a hard time falling to sleep.

Also, I'm curious as to why you decided not to answer my questions regarding the

aerobic oxygen that you take along with it. I was hoping to hear more about that

and whether or not you feel that has helped with your arthritis - especially

since Bernard mentioned taking it as well, with much smaller doses of MSM.

Thanks,

Dee

>

> The key word is " Heaping. " A 1/2 cup/day is required if you have joint

> problems. Since you absorb most of it in your mouth, it is more

> effective when you take it straight followed by water. Your method

> requires even more than 1/2 cup. Keep taking more and more till the

> pain is gone, that is your measure. When it subsides, cut back. When

> taken with exercises, It will heal you given half a chance.

>

> >I have already worked up to 2+ TBS.<

>

[Guest guest]

Jim Humble is the name your searching for.

'Aerobic Oxygen' is NOT about 'O2'.

It is sodium chlorite... a much weaker version of the stuff (3%?) now

called MMS (Miracle Mineral Supplement - 27%?) promoted by Jim what his

name...

On 2011-08-02 1:20 PM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> Ok, I have a problem with the idea of the aerobic oxygen and its

> claims. It makes very little sense. One site makes this claim,

>

> It kills all anaerobic (infectious) bacteria while leaving untouched

> bacteria that is harmless / good for you.

>

> http://www.oxygenforlife.net/About/about.html

>

> Now it is true that the presense of O2 kills some anaerobic

> bacteria, but will not touch aerobic bacteria, not all of which is

> good for you. But any O2 will do. Of course, anaerobic bacteria can

> only grow in the absence or severe reduction of O2 so that means that

> either the circulation to the spot is cut off, or never was there in

> the first place and the O2 drops haven't a prayer in getting there

> either.

[Guest guest]

On 2011-08-04 12:41 AM, Joan Dwyer <rosegardenstudio@...> wrote:

> tanstaafl said:

>> 'Aerobic Oxygen' is NOT about 'O2'.

>>

>> It is sodium chlorite... a much weaker version of the stuff (3%?) now

>> called MMS (Miracle Mineral Supplement - 27%?) promoted by Jim what his

>> name...

> Jim Humble is the name your searching for.

Yep, that be him... some call him a charlatan, some call him a miracle

man. He definitely has his chemistry wrong in many cases, but he is also

definitely on to something...

[Guest guest]

Hi Dee:

If I ever said 1/4 Cup/Day that was simply a typo. Also, my heaping

tablespoons are HUGE... as much as I can scoop and obviously bigger

than yours. Your insomnia issue aside, one simply can't take too much,

but you can sure take too little.

I kinda like that problem of not being able to fall asleep after taking

it... never encountered it. This is all new to me. I have to wonder

what that is all about. Thought I had heard it all when it comes to

MSM. If it raises one's energy level, maybe I should take it before

tennis... would it raise my game? The more that I hear about MSM, the

more amazed I am with it. I always take MSM AFTER tennis if I tweak

anything, just as a safety factor, but maybe I should reconsider that.

I have always taken other stuff with MSM, it is a long list, but the

MSM itself is the bomb. MicroLactin has been the next most useful of

these daily supplement for my joints, but I would never consider

trading all of them for MSM. Nothing else comes close.

Tell me more about this aerobic oxygen. What is the source? All I

know is that I swish the MSM around before I swallow it.

Kind Regards,

Jim

>Jim,

>2 heaping TBS would equal approx. 3 TBS. In previous posts you

mentioned you took as much as 1/4 cup - which would equal 4 TBS. Now you

are upping that to 1/2 cup - which would be 8 TBS? That's a LOT of MSM

to ingest in one day! If I take it >too late in the day I have a hard

time falling to sleep.

>Also, I'm curious as to why you decided not to answer my questions

regarding the aerobic oxygen that you take along with it. I was hoping

to hear more about that and whether or not you feel that has helped with

your arthritis - especially since >Bernard mentioned taking it as well,

with much smaller doses of MSM.

>Thanks,

>Dee

[Guest guest]

Hi Human,

Well you have been my inspiration as far as MSM is concerned so I will soldier

on :-)

Here is what I have found regarding aerobic oxygen so far. I think this is the

most informative site because they don't sell anything:

http://www.positivehealth.com/article/nutrition/history-of-oxygen-therapies

The most important thing seems to be the STABILITY of the oxygen and that was

achieved by using a combination of sodium and chlorine:

quote:

" The stability has been achieved by using a solution of sodium and chlorine, two

of the most important and abundant electrolytes of body fluid, to act as the

carriers for concentrated molecules of oxygen which are released through the

digestive process and absorbed into the bloodstream. Furthermore, Aerobic Oxygen

is negatively charged and is the only oxygen product with no positively charged

ions.

The oxygen molecule in Aerobic Oxygen is loosely bonded and is therefore what is

considered to be a stable oxygen molecule. This molecule will remain bonded

until some function of the body requires the oxygen, at which time the bond is

broken and the oxygen is used. Thus, the oxygen in aerobic oxygen will not cause

any free radical activity. "

Now I will look into the MicroLactin next. Thanks for the recommendation!

Best,

Dee

>

> Hi Dee:

>

> If I ever said 1/4 Cup/Day that was simply a typo. Also, my heaping

> tablespoons are HUGE... as much as I can scoop and obviously bigger

> than yours. Your insomnia issue aside, one simply can't take too much,

> but you can sure take too little.

>

> I kinda like that problem of not being able to fall asleep after taking

> it... never encountered it. This is all new to me. I have to wonder

> what that is all about. Thought I had heard it all when it comes to

> MSM. If it raises one's energy level, maybe I should take it before

> tennis... would it raise my game? The more that I hear about MSM, the

> more amazed I am with it. I always take MSM AFTER tennis if I tweak

> anything, just as a safety factor, but maybe I should reconsider that.

>

> I have always taken other stuff with MSM, it is a long list, but the

> MSM itself is the bomb. MicroLactin has been the next most useful of

> these daily supplement for my joints, but I would never consider

> trading all of them for MSM. Nothing else comes close.

>

> Tell me more about this aerobic oxygen. What is the source? All I

> know is that I swish the MSM around before I swallow it.

>

> Kind Regards,

> Jim

>