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In a message dated 2/15/2006 4:45:51 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

davidswife082303@... writes:

Do we need to worry

about getting them tested now, or should we wait until they

start school? Thank you.

I didn't have my children tested until they showed signs of CMT. It was to

hard on me emotionally at the time to do it before hand.

Wow I have come a long way.

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Hi Skip,

Answers to a couple of questions would help us understand your situation better.

What dosage are you on of Gleevec and how long have you been taking it? What

has your doctor said about it and does he know much about Gleevec? It's

surprising the number of doctors who do not know much about this drug.

L

[ ] question

I am not sure, but I think I am rejecting Gleevec?

I cannot maintain my platlets.. the other counts go

down as well. I have been off Gleevec for a couple of

weeks and my platlets whet up after the transfusion

but have been tumbling ever since down to where I may

need more this Thursday.. Is this common

or is it just me...

Be safe all

Skip

__________________________________________________

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Hi Skip,

I'm sorry to hear about your struggles. From what I've seen over the

years, your problem isn't common but it's not unheard of either. I

don't know what to suggest to you since there aren't really any good

options out there for this problem.

There is a drug called " Neumega " that can help grow platelets but it

seems that few doctors want to prescribe it (although I'm not sure

why). You may want to ask your doctor about it anyway. The other

suggestion would be to see if you can qualify for one of the new drug

trials but I would suspect that you may run into the same problem with

the new drugs.

I hope your situation improves.

Take care,

Tracey

[Guest guest]

Hi

I stopped taking Methotrexate about two weeks before Christmas. I had been

on it for seven years. It never stopped making me feel terribly nauseous and

dizzy, I really couldn't do much for about 36 hours. Three more knuckles

blew on my right hand, it wasn't stopping the damage. I decided I wasn't

going to take any more!

I decided to try Antibiotic therapy, I read about it on the web. I take 100

mg of Minocycline three times a week. My Rheumatologist gave me the Rx but

threw a snit!

I still take 25 mg of Indomethacin twice a day, I've been taking it for

nine years. I was on a higher dose, but my kidneys started to act up in

protest.

I feel really tired all the time. But I'm not sure if it's from the RA or

the Mononucleosis I got at the end of January. I but I feel good otherwise.

Has anyone else tried Antibiotic therapy? If so how long did it take to work

or did it work at all?

Thank you

Jill

[Guest guest]

Jill,

First I have to applaud your rheumatologist. Although he threw a

snit, many just plain refuse

to prescribe it PERIOD!! I went through a battle trying to get it

prescribed. I finally found a rheumatologist

that would prescribe it, but I let a family member (a doctor) talk me

out of taking it.

Although I don't agree with the reasonings given that I shouldn't

take it, (antibiotic resistance), since I've

got longstanding RA (25 years) I figured it wouldn't be very

effective on me anyway. Research indicates

that it is most effective in newly diagnosed RA. With long-standing

RA, they want to give IV antibiotics

but trying to find a doctor to do it, is next to impossible unless I

traveled.

There are a few members here that have tried minocycline, but not

many. I recommend going to

http://roadback.org and http://rheumatic.org for in depth

information. They also have support groups specifically

for antibiotics for rheumatic diseases.

Here's some other websites that may be of interest:

http://arthritissupport.info/drugs.html#antibioics

Please keep us updated about your progress. It takes much longer to

see results when you've had RA

for several years. I was told that it can still help, you just have

to be patient. Hard to do when you feel so bad.

a

On Mar 26, 2006, at 11:33 AM, Jill Simon wrote:

>

> Hi

> I stopped taking Methotrexate about two weeks before Christmas. I

> had been

> on it for seven years. It never stopped making me feel terribly

> nauseous and

> dizzy, I really couldn't do much for about 36 hours. Three more

> knuckles

> blew on my right hand, it wasn't stopping the damage. I decided I

> wasn't

> going to take any more!

> I decided to try Antibiotic therapy, I read about it on the web. I

> take 100

> mg of Minocycline three times a week. My Rheumatologist gave me

> the Rx but

> threw a snit!

> I still take 25 mg of Indomethacin twice a day, I've been taking

> it for

> nine years. I was on a higher dose, but my kidneys started to act

> up in

> protest.

> I feel really tired all the time. But I'm not sure if it's from the

> RA or

> the Mononucleosis I got at the end of January. I but I feel good

> otherwise.

> Has anyone else tried Antibiotic therapy? If so how long did it

> take to work

> or did it work at all?

> Thank you

> Jill

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,It seems as though your options are heading towards TNF,but

to be honest i would definately try MTX first before TNF.I had 6 or

7 years of near to normal life,i even returned to work.I know its

never the same for two people,but its worth a try.Good Luck

,from

>

> Question for y'all...

>

> I was just dx'd 6 or so weeks ago, have been on Arava and Pred

(plus

> NSAIDS, pain meds, sleeping pills, et al) since then. The Arava has

> definitely helped, but minimally. The fatique's better (that being

a

> relative term), the fever's mostly gone, some of the

> joints are better but some are the same or worse. I know it takes

about

> two months for the Arava to work but I think I should feel better

by now.

>

> In general I still feel like crap, can't do hardly anything I could

> do just a few months ago, my work is suffering tremendously,

constant

> pain, etc.

>

> I go in to see my rh in a couple of weeks and I'm wondering what

> the next step might be. From reading all your posts it sure sounds

> like Enbrel is a good thing to add. Is that a biologic? And is that

> usually the next option?

>

> Or would he be more likely to switch to MTX to see if that works

> better first?

>

> I know no one can predict what might happen, but if any of you can

tell

> me how your med progression went, that would help...

>

> Thx

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi a

Thank you for the information. I'm so thankful I found you all. It's

wonderful to be able to talk about RA without folks thinking I'm, a whiner.

When I say have Ra, everyone thinks it's just arthritis. They don't

understand I can't do stuff some days because I'm so tired.

My husband and my daughter are great. My son thinks I'm a whimp. My mum

never thought it was anything serious until until last weekend when she was

listing to a radio show on RA.

I've had RA for nines years. I sold my restaurant and when back to school to

take computer courses. One morning I woke and could hardly move, my skin was

sore to the touch. Within a few weeks I could barely walk. I had fluid

around my right lung, that took eight months to go away. At one point, two

fingers were all that moved on my whole body. I credit my computer with

saving my sanity.

I'm glad he gave me the Rx, I can't change doctors I live on an Island. I

think there's only one Rheumatologist for the whole island.

I'm going to try the antibiotics for six months. I'll be sure to pass on my

progress. I actually feel great today!

Thank you all so very much for your support.

Best wishes

Jill

Jill,

First I have to applaud your rheumatologist. Although he threw a

snit, many just plain refuse

to prescribe it PERIOD!! I went through a battle trying to get it

prescribed. I finally found a rheumatologist

that would prescribe it, but I let a family member (a doctor) talk me

out of taking it.

Although I don't agree with the reasonings given that I shouldn't

take it, (antibiotic resistance), since I've

got longstanding RA (25 years) I figured it wouldn't be very

effective on me anyway. Research indicates

that it is most effective in newly diagnosed RA. With long-standing

RA, they want to give IV antibiotics

but trying to find a doctor to do it, is next to impossible unless I

traveled.

There are a few members here that have tried minocycline, but not

many. I recommend going to

http://roadback.org and http://rheumatic.org for in depth

information. They also have support groups specifically

for antibiotics for rheumatic diseases.

Here's some other websites that may be of interest:

http://arthritissupport.info/drugs.html#antibioics

Please keep us updated about your progress. It takes much longer to

see results when you've had RA

for several years. I was told that it can still help, you just have

to be patient. Hard to do when you feel so bad.

a

On Mar 26, 2006, at 11:33 AM, Jill Simon wrote:

>

> Hi

> I stopped taking Methotrexate about two weeks before Christmas. I

> had been

> on it for seven years. It never stopped making me feel terribly

> nauseous and

> dizzy, I really couldn't do much for about 36 hours. Three more

> knuckles

> blew on my right hand, it wasn't stopping the damage. I decided I

> wasn't

> going to take any more!

> I decided to try Antibiotic therapy, I read about it on the web. I

> take 100

> mg of Minocycline three times a week. My Rheumatologist gave me

> the Rx but

> threw a snit!

> I still take 25 mg of Indomethacin twice a day, I've been taking

> it for

> nine years. I was on a higher dose, but my kidneys started to act

> up in

> protest.

> I feel really tired all the time. But I'm not sure if it's from the

> RA or

> the Mononucleosis I got at the end of January. I but I feel good

> otherwise.

> Has anyone else tried Antibiotic therapy? If so how long did it

> take to work

> or did it work at all?

> Thank you

> Jill

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi :

My med progression: Plaquenil, Plaquenil + Mtx, Mtx

alone, Mtx + Arava, Mtx alone, then Mtx + Enbrel and

on this currently. So I guess you can say my longest

running med has been Mtx. I was able to be on

Plaquenil alone for 2-1/2 years, then Mtx was added

with no real benefit, then Mtx alone for a while, then

Mtx with some success with Arava (but bad stomach

problems and peripheral neuropathy so stopped after 6

months), Mtx alone again, and now the best has been

Mtx + Enbrel for the past 6-7 months. Looking at this

I have actually been on Mtx either alone or with

another med for 6 years, now 4 as I had said earlier -

oh fibro fog!

--- <kyrik@...> wrote:

> Question for y'all...

>

> I was just dx'd 6 or so weeks ago, have been on

> Arava and Pred (plus

> NSAIDS, pain meds, sleeping pills, et al) since

> then. The Arava has

> definitely helped, but minimally. The fatique's

> better (that being a

> relative term), the fever's mostly gone, some of the

> joints are better but some are the same or worse. I

> know it takes about

> two months for the Arava to work but I think I

> should feel better by now.

>

> In general I still feel like crap, can't do hardly

> anything I could

> do just a few months ago, my work is suffering

> tremendously, constant

> pain, etc.

>

> I go in to see my rh in a couple of weeks and I'm

> wondering what

> the next step might be. From reading all your posts

> it sure sounds

> like Enbrel is a good thing to add. Is that a

> biologic? And is that

> usually the next option?

>

> Or would he be more likely to switch to MTX to see

> if that works

> better first?

>

> I know no one can predict what might happen, but if

> any of you can tell

> me how your med progression went, that would help...

>

> Thx

>

>

>

>

>

Kathe

" To ride a horse is to borrow freedom. "

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

-

Oops, forgot to say I also tried Minocycline with Mtx,

and that was after the Arava and before the Enbrel.

It did not help.

Kathe in CA

--- <kyrik@...> wrote:

> Question for y'all...

>

> I was just dx'd 6 or so weeks ago, have been on

> Arava and Pred (plus

> NSAIDS, pain meds, sleeping pills, et al) since

> then. The Arava has

> definitely helped, but minimally. The fatique's

> better (that being a

> relative term), the fever's mostly gone, some of the

> joints are better but some are the same or worse. I

> know it takes about

> two months for the Arava to work but I think I

> should feel better by now.

>

> In general I still feel like crap, can't do hardly

> anything I could

> do just a few months ago, my work is suffering

> tremendously, constant

> pain, etc.

>

> I go in to see my rh in a couple of weeks and I'm

> wondering what

> the next step might be. From reading all your posts

> it sure sounds

> like Enbrel is a good thing to add. Is that a

> biologic? And is that

> usually the next option?

>

> Or would he be more likely to switch to MTX to see

> if that works

> better first?

>

> I know no one can predict what might happen, but if

> any of you can tell

> me how your med progression went, that would help...

>

> Thx

>

>

>

>

>

Kathe

" To ride a horse is to borrow freedom. "

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Barb,

I dont know any details, but my sister is a P.A.

and she was reserching rhematoid nodules for me once

and told me there was a case of them being reported in

the larnx. I didnt get the impression it was common,

and like I said, I dont know the details. JUst thought

I'd pass that tid-bit along.

Good luck,

--- Barb <roboma@...> wrote:

> Has anybody heard of arthritis in the larnx? Hope I

> spelled that right.

> I have severe RA and Asthma they are both causing

> alot of trouble

> breathing. Barb In Chicago

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

High sed rate is often indicative of an active infection and/or

inflammation.

According to the Mayo Clinic (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/sed-

rate/HO00025):

" Sedimentation rate (sed rate) measures the speed at which red blood

cells settle to the bottom of a test tube. The presence of certain

abnormal proteins in the blood can cause red blood cells to stick

together and sink to the bottom more quickly.

Sed rate is a screening test for many different diseases. A high sed

rate is not specific to any one disease. Possible causes include:

Infection

Inflammatory diseases, such as rheumatoid arthritis and lupus

Blood cancers, such as leukemia and lymphoma

Cancers that have spread (metastasized)

An elevated sed rate may indicate an underlying problem. But further

testing is needed to identify the cause of the problem. "

penny

>

> Still no growth on my cultures of my fingers. However, someone

told me that it looked like I had gout. I asked the Doctor if he

would check for it. I got a letter that my Sed. Rate was elevated.

Should be around 30 and mine was 41.

>

> What could that indicate?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi . I was diagnosed with MS 9 yrs ago, affecting my left side first,

then my balance -- which is what pushed me into a wheelchair 6 yrs ago. I've

never had a clear exacerbation then recovery, just steady deterioration.

I've lost a lot of power over recent years, and can no longer transfer

independently, which is rather frightening... Anyway, I used Avonex for 2

yrs, then Betaseron for a few weeks, and eventually switched to Copaxone

almost 7 yrs ago since that drug gave no side effects to me at all. I heard

about LDN last July, and was pleased to hear Dr Bihari (founder of LDN as an

MS treatment) says Copaxone is the only medication that can be taken with

LDN, and that's what I've been doing ever since. So far I haven't noticed

any change at all, but I'll give it a full year... I'm realistic and don't

expect IMPROVEMENTS to skills I've already lost; but what I am hopeful about

is that LDN helps to HALT FURTHER DEGENERATION, which Copaxone hasn't been

able to do on its own for me.

I doubt your neuro at Hopkins will reply. The 'professionals' out there seem

to regard LDN as quackery. Call one of the compounders out there (ie Skips

in FL) to ask about prescribing drs in MD. Good luck! But if you can't find

one to give you a referral, do as I (and many others here do) and buy

naltrexone capsules from www.medsmex.com in Mexico, who anyone can buy from

without a prescription, then mix-up your own 'low-dose' by diluting in

sterile water, then drawing up 3.0 mg (for your first couple of weeks) in a

baby measuring syringe, then migrate up to the recommended 4.5 mgs from

women after that.

Best regards, Rae

St sburg, FL

Re: [low dose naltrexone] question//Blushing?//Off Topic

My wife has recently was diagnosed with ppms. She has had symptoms for just

over six years. She is 34 y/o and her major symptom is in her right leg. It

seems to be progressing more rapidly recently. She is on no medication

currently. I was wondering if there are many people with ppms taking ldn,

and has it been helpful. We live in Frederick, Md. Also does anyone know of

any Dr's in the area who will prescribe ldn. She is being treated by a Dr at

Hopkins, I emailed him about the ldn and he has not responded. I appreciate

any feedback, pos. or neg.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/2/2006 1:24:44 PM Central Daylight Time,

annbekins@... writes:

> I have been using Crystal natural deodorant to avoid aluminum, but now

> have developed an itchy rash, so I'm apparently reacting to it. Does

> anyone have any good solutions to body odor? I have tried many

> natural deodorants, and they either make me itch or they don't work.

>

> Ann

Vinegar. C R

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/2/2006 3:48:13 PM Central Daylight Time,

annbekins@... writes:

> You just slap it on there?

>

> Ann

>

>

> >

> > In a message dated 6/2/2006 1:24:44 PM Central Daylight Time,

> > annbekins@... writes:

> >

> >

> > > I have been using Crystal natural deodorant to avoid aluminum, but now

> > > have developed an itchy rash, so I'm apparently reacting to it. Does

> > > anyone have any good solutions to body odor? I have tried many

> > > natural deodorants, and they either make me itch or they don't work.

> > >

> > > Ann

> >

> > Vinegar. C R

>

Yes! After a couple of minutes the odor goes away. BO is caused by

......bacteria! It works. C R

[Guest guest]

Maybe a rotation? I've used baking soda as deoderant before, but

after a few weeks it dried out the outer layer of my skin and it

started peeling off. UGLY! Maybe you could try one one day and the

other the next so your skin gets a break from each?

According to " Mutant Message From Down Under " you could bury yourself

in the ground for a day. Not too practical.

Possibly cleansing the liver/kidneys and restoring biological balance

to the gi would eliminate the odor. I used to be stinky but now am

not. Can't really tell the difference between using deoderant and not

any more (until late afternoon).

--- In , " annbekins " <annbekins@...>

wrote:

>

> I have been using Crystal natural deodorant to avoid aluminum, but

now

> have developed an itchy rash, so I'm apparently reacting to it. Does

> anyone have any good solutions to body odor? I have tried many

> natural deodorants, and they either make me itch or they don't work.

>

> Ann

>

[Guest guest]

I use the crystal deodorant but I use the Miracle II soap neutralizer in place

of water. I have found it to be very effective and have not had any dryness.

Also, most people who drink Kombucha say it improves this problem, probably

because it cleans the liver, etc.

Allyn

Re: Question

Maybe a rotation? I've used baking soda as deoderant before, but

after a few weeks it dried out the outer layer of my skin and it

started peeling off. UGLY! Maybe you could try one one day and the

other the next so your skin gets a break from each?

According to " Mutant Message From Down Under " you could bury yourself

in the ground for a day. Not too practical.

Possibly cleansing the liver/kidneys and restoring biological balance

to the gi would eliminate the odor. I used to be stinky but now am

not. Can't really tell the difference between using deoderant and not

any more (until late afternoon).

>

> I have been using Crystal natural deodorant to avoid aluminum, but

now

> have developed an itchy rash, so I'm apparently reacting to it. Does

> anyone have any good solutions to body odor? I have tried many

> natural deodorants, and they either make me itch or they don't work.

>

> Ann

>

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[Guest guest]

I rather like the idea of burying myself for a while...

Maybe I'm too worried about odor -- I don't usually notice much except

at the end of the day. Maybe I'll try au naturel and see if my

coworkers recoil too much...

Thanks!

Ann

> >

> > I have been using Crystal natural deodorant to avoid aluminum, but

> now

> > have developed an itchy rash, so I'm apparently reacting to it. Does

> > anyone have any good solutions to body odor? I have tried many

> > natural deodorants, and they either make me itch or they don't work.

> >

> > Ann

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Now THAT's perfect timing, since I have been drinking small amounts of

commercial kombucha because it's so expensive. But just yesterday I

got a mushroom -- I'll try the kombucha, since I love it and can make

it now!

I'll look for that Miracle II soap -- did you just find it in a

natural food store, or do you have to order it?

Ann

> >

> > I have been using Crystal natural deodorant to avoid aluminum, but

> now

> > have developed an itchy rash, so I'm apparently reacting to it.

Does

> > anyone have any good solutions to body odor? I have tried many

> > natural deodorants, and they either make me itch or they don't work.

> >

> > Ann

> >

>

>

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You just slap it on there?

Ann

>

> In a message dated 6/2/2006 1:24:44 PM Central Daylight Time,

> annbekins@... writes:

>

>

> > I have been using Crystal natural deodorant to avoid aluminum, but now

> > have developed an itchy rash, so I'm apparently reacting to it. Does

> > anyone have any good solutions to body odor? I have tried many

> > natural deodorants, and they either make me itch or they don't work.

> >

> > Ann

>

> Vinegar. C R

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I use the crystal deodorant and have had rashes from IF I dropped the

crystal and shattered it. I thought I had cleaned it enough, but must

had been getting microscopic pieces left in my arm pit, when I bought a

new one, I had no more rash.

Kayla

annbekins wrote:

>I have been using Crystal natural deodorant to avoid aluminum, but now

>have developed an itchy rash, so I'm apparently reacting to it. Does

>anyone have any good solutions to body odor? I have tried many

>natural deodorants, and they either make me itch or they don't work.

>

>Ann

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

yes, I buy in the health food store but you can also order it online.

Allyn

Re: Question

Now THAT's perfect timing, since I have been drinking small amounts of

commercial kombucha because it's so expensive. But just yesterday I

got a mushroom -- I'll try the kombucha, since I love it and can make

it now!

I'll look for that Miracle II soap -- did you just find it in a

natural food store, or do you have to order it?

Ann

> >

> > I have been using Crystal natural deodorant to avoid aluminum, but

> now

> > have developed an itchy rash, so I'm apparently reacting to it.

Does

> > anyone have any good solutions to body odor? I have tried many

> > natural deodorants, and they either make me itch or they don't work.

> >

> > Ann

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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a lot of people use coconut oil as well. I did not find it work all that well

but I know some people who swear by it.

Allyn

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I rather like the idea of burying myself for a while...

Maybe I'm too worried about odor -- I don't usually notice much except

at the end of the day. Maybe I'll try au naturel and see if my

coworkers recoil too much...

Thanks!

Ann

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I use either coconut oil or Kiss My Face liquid chrystals deoderant,

depending on which is closest to my hands in the bathroom. Coconut

oil

seems to work for me as a deoderant, though of course not as an anti-

persperant. It has anti-bacterial and -fungal properties. It's

actually

the waste product of bacteria that usually causes body odor. Diet,

detoxing, etc can be other causes.

Diluted apple cider vinegar is also supposed to be effective, but

that

would be drying as well. Perhaps wash under arms and apply coconut

oil

before bed?

The only 'products' I use on my face are diluted ACV and coconut oil.

I

do not suffer from dryness or too much sheen.

Christa

PS Oh, and I just remembered chlorella is also effective against body

odor, taken internally.

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> I have been using Crystal natural deodorant to avoid aluminum, but

now

> have developed an itchy rash, so I'm apparently reacting to it.

Does

> anyone have any good solutions to body odor? I have tried many

> natural deodorants, and they either make me itch or they don't work.

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> Ann

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How do you apply the coconut oil? Do you use the virgin or would the cheaper

kind be ok? Does the oil get on your clothes....seems like it would ruin the arm

pits of all your shirts. ct

I use either coconut oil or Kiss My Face liquid chrystals deoderant,

depending on which is closest to my hands

[Guest guest]

, I apply it by hand after bathing. It doesn't take much so

cost may not be an issue [i only own virgin CO so i don't know if

refined would be different]. I dunk my finger tip into the jar and

apply. It takes a few minutes to absorb. I use VCO to moisturize my

entire body and I've never noticed any clothing stains. OTOH, I'm a

casual dresser and stick to cotton tshirts and the like. I have no idea

if it would be a problem with silk or other thin fabrics.

Christa

> How do you apply the coconut oil? Do you use the virgin or would the

cheaper kind be ok? Does the oil get on your clothes....seems like it

would ruin the arm pits of all your shirts. ct

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