Question

[Guest guest]

I found that my disease was very bad, and only 500 mg helped me (prior to

finding AP I was given 750mg of Augmentin).  Recently I am now down to 500 mg

only Mon Weds and Fri.  If I feel I am getting sick I will up it to 2 times a

day.  I also recommend you start taking a great probiotic.  I use 3 different

ones " Primal defense, Prolive (has olive leaf extract), Dr.Ohhira'S Probiotics

12 Plus "   I take 1 of each in the morning and 1 of each in the evening.

http://www.bmpharmacy.com/shopping_cart.php?catt=antibiotic  I also found this

website that has cheaper med prices but requires a prescription.  bmpharmacy

will match the other online pharmacy and give you additional 10%.   Just follow

the instructions.  Here is the other site that requires a script but has cheaper

meds. http://www.canadian-internet-drugs.com/drugs/Amoxicillin/500mg

BM pharm sends the meds w/in 2 weeks.

Also try to juice cilantro w/broccoli, or cabbage, as the cilantro will bind

w/toxins in your body.  My holistic doc recommended it since he retired last

Dec., because of what he fears what might be coming. 

Good luck and good health.

Josie

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From: Kathy Egenbacher <egenbacher@...>

rheumatic ; john888ching@...

Cc: john888ching@...

Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 2:33:16 PM

Subject: rheumatic question

Hello phine,

Will you share with me the ab you are taking and where to order them on line

without a dr prescribing. I can not find a dr in or around who will go with the

ab practice---and I KNOW it will work on me.

thanks, kathy

From: phine Bradshaw

Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:48 PM

rheumatic

Subject: Re: rheumatic Can Antibiotic Therapy be administered by your own? -

Singapore

 

I have been on antibiotic therapy now for over 10 yrs.  I started by going to a

doc who would prescribe the amoxicillin.  After 2-3 yrs I decided to travel to a

doc that was 2.5 hrs away for chelation, and H2O2 intravenous treatments.  After

6 months of the commute, I found a local doc who I would go for intravenous

Rocephin (only when I thought I need a boost from the daily oral antibiotic )

and monthly chelation and H2O2.  I only go to my internist for quarterly

blood-work..  I stopped asking my docs for prescriptions for the antibiotic, and

order them myself on the Internet w/o any prescription.  I know what works for

me after 10 yrs and refuse to have any doc bully me, when I have know for almost

20 yrs that when ever I had a sinus infection, and the docs prescribed any

antibiotic all my aches, pains and swelling would disappear.  15 yrs ago, when I

noticed that the antibiotics cleared my disease from my toes to my head, I told

my docs mu

findings, and all but my allergist would lecture me on how I could become IMMUNE

to the antibiotic.  So I fired my docs and treated myself (after reading and

educating myself).  I live in this body and know what works and what hasn't

worked. 

Almost 4 yrs ago my mother got a sinus infection, which spread to a urinary

tract infection,  Within 5 weeks the UTI brought down her kidneys, and

eventually killed her.  i remember her telling me that she always felt she had

an infection, but the docs never listened to her.  When her cholesterol levels

changed from very high to normal or low her doc never questioned why this

happened, after all isn't that what they want.  She hadn't changed anything in

the way she ate or lived, but her cholesterol was good so the docs was happy.

So my answer is YES. 

Good luck

Josie

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From: john888ching <john888ching@...>

rheumatic

Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 11:55:52 PM

Subject: rheumatic Can Antibiotic Therapy be administered by your own? -

Singapore

Hi Everyone,

my wife was diagnosed with Scleroderma and couldn't find a doc to administer

Antibiotic Therapy.

Has anyone administer Antibiotic Therapy on your own?  Can the antibotics be

bought from pharmacy.

Thanks in advance for sharing.

B.regds

Ken

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RE: Question

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From: Joyce Hudson [mailto:bjoyful@...] Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 2:31 PMdrbuglady@...Subject: Question

I have 6 patio garden containers on my balcony. Each has a 5" tall water reservoir. I am growing vegetables in them. I purchased from Arbico the mosquito tablets and want to know would these be safe to use in these containers?

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[Guest guest]

Yes----much worse- My RA does Not like Hot

kathy e

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From: " batai9 " <batai9@...>

Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 8:39 AM

< >

Subject: [ ] question

> does anyone feel worse in summertime? my dr thinks it's weird to have a

> flare up in summer.

> julie

[Guest guest]

I have a couple of flares every summer. Winter is the worst for me though.

Shay in Michigan

-- [ ] question

does anyone feel worse in summertime? my dr thinks it's weird to have a

flare up in summer.

julie

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[Guest guest]

I don't think it's weird to have a flare up in the summer! My RA doesn't care

what season it is...If that were true then I'd feel fantastic year round because

I live in San Diego. Jodie

>

> does anyone feel worse in summertime? my dr thinks it's weird to have a flare

up in summer.

> julie

>

[Guest guest]

Yes! I was looking forward to Summer thinking things would get better but in MN

the humidity and weather shifts in the Summer are HORRIBLE! I've been flaring

like crazy all Summer.

Candace

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 25, 2010, at 8:39 AM, " batai9 " <batai9@...> wrote:

> does anyone feel worse in summertime? my dr thinks it's weird to have a flare

up in summer.

> julie

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ! It depends where you live, I think. For example, I've lived and

worked on the western coast of Mexico for eleven years, returning to Alberta,

Canada for a couple of weeks each summer. The humidity here in MX during the

summer is brutal, so yes, I do feel worse here. People living in coastal

regions, where the humidity is higher, could definitely feel different than they

do in the winter when humidity is much lower. But it's all worth it for me

because, from October to June, it's Paradise. I always have at least one flare

each summer, but never in the winter months due to the warmth here.

Roxana

>

> does anyone feel worse in summertime? my dr thinks it's weird to have a flare

up in summer.

> julie

>

[Guest guest]

My flares are extreme in the summer compared to winter. The hotter it gets the

worse I feel.

>

> does anyone feel worse in summertime? my dr thinks it's weird to have a flare

up in summer.

> julie

>

[Guest guest]

its not weird to have flare ups in summer. this pass weekend was the worst, the

flare

was so bad in my hips and back and legs,its easing up a little today

has to be this east coast weather  we been having

 

ann

nj

From: batai9 <batai9@...>

Subject: [ ] question

Date: Sunday, July 25, 2010, 9:39 AM

 

does anyone feel worse in summertime? my dr thinks it's weird to have a flare up

in summer.

julie

[Guest guest]

Wouldn't it be nice if RA did give us the summer off! Unfortunately, I feel

worse in the summer than I do in winter, for some reason. I tend to get sick

after the Enbrel injections more, and have worse fatigue. Part of it's the heat,

I suppose. I live in the Dallas area and spend the summer going from one air

conditioned environment to another as quickly as possible! I don't tolerate heat

well at all.

> >

> > does anyone feel worse in summertime? my dr thinks it's weird to have a

flare up in summer.

> > julie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm always worse in the summer, . The heat and humidity do a number on me

here in FL. I tend to stay indoors, A/C set at 73 and the humidity at 45

percent. I love the controls on my new A/C . In the winter I do much unless

the temps get below 45 - then I ache in every joint.

Hope this helps...

Doreen

does anyone feel worse in summertime? my dr thinks it's weird to have a flare

up in summer.

julie

[Guest guest]

Kathy dust just doesnt turn into mold on its own it needs moisture

>

>

> I don't know if this is an off the wall question..Does anyone know how long it

takes for dust to sit before it turns into mold? Or does it become dirty dust?

>

> There is dust in our furnace we have to do something about. We bought an

estate that was empty for awhile in spring. We removed a non-functioning

humidifier after moving in, bagged &  

> threw out. Patched the empty spot. It was full of dust, but had some dark dust

spots that looked

> like could be mold.

>

> Do I call a remediator to verify mold or just have the furnace & ducts

cleaned?

>

>  I was referred to a professional  by a mold specialist who follows stricter

guidelines than usual duct cleaners, who'll clean them & take apart the furnace,

& put it back together.

>

> We cleaned black looking dust off the inside of a sliding door. I'm reacting

to dust now, can't stand anything velvet, a dust magnet. I know why I've been

getting worse since the A/C turned on.

>

> Kathy

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dust and mold are 2 different things however can be found together.   IMO I

wound get a specialist to clean it.  Wish Carl was

here...............................

 

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

Dust can sit forever and not get moldy.

House dust consists primarily of skin scales (and pet dander if pets are

present), lint fibers from clothing, human hair and wool, plant materials

(pollen, trichomes from outdoors), starch granules from flour (or body

powder)and non-biodegradable particles from soil, all with a few spores, insect

droppings and insect body parts thrown into the mix.

If you keep the windows open a lot, there's more outdoor biodegradable plant

material present, particularly if you do not vacuum frequently.

So long as the relative humidity (RH) doesn't get over about 70%, and the dust

never gets wet, mold will never grow. (If your want to control RH, it's safer to

shoot for an upper limit of 60%; house dust mites will not grow if the RH is

under 50%.)

Everything changes as the RH gets over 80%. High RH occurs readily in crawl

spaces and basements that are not dehumidified. As the temperature of the air is

lowered, its RH increases, so the RH is highest near the cool floor in basements

and along the cool foundation walls.

The blower cabinet of most furnaces sits on the cold basement floor, so dust

within is often moldy. Dust in the ducts near the basment ceiling is less likely

to be moldy, though a cool basement on a very hot, humid day can lead to high RH

or condensation in the duct, the outside of which is cooled by the basement air.

Of course, with central A/C, the RH of the air starts out near 100% at the coil

and mold can develop in duct dust.

Most furnace humidifiers leak, so any dust beneath the humidifier can be moldy

as well.

If you plan to get the furnace and ducts cleaned (which you should), make sure

that the firm belongs to NADCA.org and that they are willing to clean A/C coils

(even if you do not have A/C) because 60% of duct cleaners refuse to do this

difficult job; those that do are more qualified.

Make sure they will use brushes and remove registers to clean. It should take

two people at least half a day to clean an average system. Tell them you will

look inside ducts and the furnace with a mirror and flashlight after they are

done!

House dust does change with time. Even at safe RH,the dust can become more

allergenic but not because of mold.

When I take samples from the tops of books that have not been cleaned or used

for a long time, the dust (which is just food!) is full of chewed-up pollen

grains (the grains are full of digestible starch); spores and hairs with bites

taken out, etc., all becuase the dust is nutrition for a host of bugs: book

lice, mold-eating mites, silverfish, carpet beetle larva, etc.

All these bugs leave behind allergenic droppings which is why people often have

allergy symptoms around books stored even in dry environments. Then the bugs

themselves, many of which are microscopic, serve as food for spiders, which also

leave behind droppings.

Hope no one looses any sleep over this but there's a war going on in the dust,

and lots of spiders is bad news because this means that there is lots of spider

prey: living insects.

The less dust you have, the less food there is for our uninvited house guests to

turn into allergens.

May

May Indoor Air Investigations LLC

www.mayindoorair.com

www.myhouseiskillingme.com

>

>

> I don't know if this is an off the wall question..Does anyone know how long it

takes for dust to sit before it turns into mold? Or does it become dirty dust?

>

>

[Guest guest]

For it to become moldy it would need moisture so it depends on whether water

condensation could've occured there or if the basement had high humidity (I love

a goid hygrometer--I put one in different rooms to see how high humidity gets).

Depending on how the dust looks, it may be hard for anyone to say for sure if

it's mold without a test. Dust in and of itself can be an irritant, as you know

and experienced. I think that if you're nervous about it, it might be wise to

have the remediator do it regardless of whether it is actually mold.

On Aug 22, 2010, at 12:06 AM, KathyB <calicocat477@...> wrote:

There is dust in our furnace we have to do something about. We bought an estate

that was empty for awhile in spring. We removed a non-functioning humidifier

after moving in, bagged &

threw out. Patched the empty spot. It was full of dust, but had some dark dust

spots that looked

like could be mold.

[Guest guest]

All great information. I have read in various places that mold grows at 60%

relative humidity; a source or two even said 50%. 70% sounds way too high, from

all the sources I've come across. I think 60% is a better number to shoot for,

if not 50%.

On Aug 22, 2010, at 2:20 PM, " jmhiaq " <jeff@...> wrote:

Kathy,

Dust can sit forever and not get moldy.

House dust consists primarily of skin scales (and pet dander if pets are

present), lint fibers from clothing, human hair and wool, plant materials

(pollen, trichomes from outdoors), starch granules from flour (or body

powder)and non-biodegradable particles from soil, all with a few spores, insect

droppings and insect body parts thrown into the mix.

If you keep the windows open a lot, there's more outdoor biodegradable plant

material present, particularly if you do not vacuum frequently.

So long as the relative humidity (RH) doesn't get over about 70%, and the dust

never gets wet, mold will never grow. (If your want to control RH, it's safer to

shoot for an upper limit of 60%; house dust

[Guest guest]

Correct me please if I mis-state, but from what I've learned here dust is food

for mold like moisture is. But isn't it possible for what you see as dust to

already have mold or other critters in it?

I'd contact a qualified remediator or CIH (certified industrial hygenist) that

knows their stuff to check out the furnace. 

Sam

I don't know if this is an off the wall question..Does anyone know how

long it takes for dust to sit before it turns into mold? Or does it become dirty

dust?

[Guest guest]

I have my dehumidifiers set on 40% humidity in the basement and so far so good.

I always thought 40% sounded SO high but apparently not!

>

> Kathy,

>

> Dust can sit forever and not get moldy.

>

> House dust consists primarily of skin scales (and pet dander if pets are

present), lint fibers from clothing, human hair and wool, plant materials

(pollen, trichomes from outdoors), starch granules from flour (or body

powder)and non-biodegradable particles from soil, all with a few spores, insect

droppings and insect body parts thrown into the mix.

>

> If you keep the windows open a lot, there's more outdoor biodegradable plant

material present, particularly if you do not vacuum frequently.

>

> So long as the relative humidity (RH) doesn't get over about 70%, and the dust

never gets wet, mold will never grow. (If your want to control RH, it's safer to

shoot for an upper limit of 60%; house dust

>

[Guest guest]

Not for me. Dry dust that is mold free irritates my eyes but that's it. I

figured this out when I visited my brother's house as he was renovating his 70

year old garage into an apartment. At first I said I can't go in there but I

sniffed and it was bone dry but very dusty dirty. I marveled at the fact that I

could actually enter a garage safely but it was perfectly dry. So just from my

experience, I'm thinking dust needs the moisture.

>

>

> I don't know if this is an off the wall question..Does anyone know how

long it takes for dust to sit before it turns into mold? Or does it become dirty

dust?

>

[Guest guest]

Along with spores, there is a great deal of misinformation floating around, some

on the internet.

For the scientifically minded (with about $100 to spare!), a great reference

book is " Microorganisms in Home and Indoor Work Environments " by B.Flannigan,

R.Samson and J.D..

There are growth curves for thirty common molds and none grow under 70% RH. Even

those spores that grow at low RH (under 80%)can take over a month just to

germinate.

But I am with you on keeping the RH as low as possible, of course without

costing too much. Also, because most hygrometers you buy in stores have an

uncertainty about 5%.

So 60% +/-5% is a worthwhile goal but there is no need to panic if the RH goes

up to 70%. But always keep in mind that if there are cold corners (favorable

microenvironments) in the basement, the RH will increase for warmer air from

upstairs (which is why you want to measure basement RH near the floor and at

foundation walls).

May

May Indoor Air Investigations LLC.

www.mayindoorair.com

www.myhouseiskillingme.com

>

> All great information. I have read in various places that mold grows at 60%

relative humidity; a source or two even said 50%. 70% sounds way too high, from

all the sources I've come across. I think 60% is a better number to shoot for,

if not 50%.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

To the Group: This is Dr. Thrasher. I am returning to sickbuilding. I want

all to understand what my position is and has always been regarding Sharon

Kramer and the ACHEMMIC issue.

1. I have always and will always support Sharon. I of the opinion that the

U.C, letters that were originally posted on the ACHEMMIC site be re-posted.

2. I highly recommend that all support Mrs. Dina Padilla and here quest for an

investigation into the Worker's Compensation System in California. As

California goes so does the rest of the U.S.

Now to answer Question: Does anyone know how long it takes for dust to sit

before it turns into mold? Or does it become dirty dust?

Dust in the house is basically airborne debris and can contain many different

elements: pet and human dander, body parts of insects, dirt, mold spores,

bacteria, fragments of molds and bacteria body parts, to mention a few. Dust

will almost always contain these elements. Dust does not ever convert from this

state and become mold spores. I one adds moisture to the dust, then the mold

spores will then grow and become colonies of fungi. The same will occur with

respect to the bacteria. The time it takes to observe visible fungal colonies

could be a few days to a couple of weeks depending upon the fungal species.

Jack-Dwayne: Thrasher, Ph.D.

Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist

www.drthrasher.org

toxicologist1@...

Off: 916-745-4703

Cell: 575-937-1150

L. Crawley, M.ED., LADC

Trauma Specialist

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[Guest guest]

I answered this question in a previous email. Yes, dust can act as food

source. Dust contains adsorbed organics, animal and human dander, mites, etc.

etc etc. Just add sufficient moisture and the spores will grow into visible

colonies. Same with the bacteria that are present in the dust.

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[Guest guest]

I agree with 40%! Plus dehumidifiers don't always have an accurate gauge, so

better safe than sorry.

On Aug 23, 2010, at 8:15 AM, " surellabaer " <surellabaer@...> wrote:

I have my dehumidifiers set on 40% humidity in the basement and so far so good.

I always thought 40% sounded SO high but apparently not!

[Guest guest]

Jeff,

Thanks for explaining.  I guess this was dirty dust inside the alluminum

sliders. Was an estate so who knows when was cleaned last.

I don't think there's a water source unless you opening it w humidity adds.  I

vaccummed & still had gunk, so washed with vinegar & water. Next time I'll use

Borax. The smell of the this gunk in the water bothered me more than in the

past, since mcs from mold.

Kathy

On Aug 22, 2010, at 2:20 PM, " jmhiaq " <jeff@...> wrote:

Kathy,

Dust can sit forever and not get moldy.

House dust consists primarily of skin scales (and pet dander if pets are

present), lint fibers from clothing, human hair and wool, plant materials

(pollen, trichomes from outdoors), starch granules from flour (or body

powder)and non-biodegradable particles from soil, all with a few spores, insect

droppings and insect body parts thrown into the mix.

If you keep the windows open a lot, there's more outdoor biodegradable plant

material present, particularly if you do not vacuum frequently.

So long as the relative humidity (RH) doesn't get over about 70%, and the dust

never gets wet, mold will never grow. (If your want to control RH, it's safer to

shoot for an upper limit of 60%; house dust

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Jack. I know that what I do in this issue is not for the faint

of heart. Sometimes things just occur that cause a rub between goals of

moving this issue forward so health policy reflects accurate science and the

" environmental science " of the US Chamber of Commerce no longer adversely

impacts the lives of us all. I am certain we will all come thru this in

one piece, stronger for the experience and better able to accomplish all that

is within our reach, no matter what aspect of this issue one works.

Really appreciate your written support that it is important the UC/US

Chamber/ACOEM connection be supported as in need of investigation with wrongful

clams denials, as Dina is calling for.

Sharon

In a message dated 8/23/2010 6:16:06 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

toxicologist1@... writes:

To the Group: This is Dr. Thrasher. I am returning to sickbuilding. I want

all to understand what my position is and has always been regarding Sharon

Kramer and the ACHEMMIC issue.

1. I have always and will always support Sharon. I of the opinion that the

U.C, letters that were originally posted on the ACHEMMIC site be re-posted.

2. I highly recommend that all support Mrs. Dina Padilla and here quest

for an investigation into the Worker's Compensation System in California. As

California goes so does the rest of the U.S.