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You are welcome. It is not only California but the rest of the states have

similar problems.

Jack-Dwayne: Thrasher, Ph.D.

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Off: 916-745-4703

Cell: 575-937-1150

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Dr. Thrasher, That just makes complete sence. No doubt about it.

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From: " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 12:10:33 PM

Subject: Re: [] Question

 

I answered this question in a previous email. Yes, dust can act as food source.

Dust contains adsorbed organics, animal and human dander, mites, etc. etc etc.

Just add sufficient moisture and the spores will grow into visible colonies.

Same with the bacteria that are present in the dust.

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Depending on where you live 40% is good. Here in the south it is hard to keep it

that low most of the time but it is imperative to keep it bellow 50% anything

more and the ball begins to roll. Just my humble observation..

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" " < >

Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 12:17:39 PM

Subject: Re: [] Re: Question

 

I agree with 40%! Plus dehumidifiers don't always have an accurate gauge, so

better safe than sorry.

On Aug 23, 2010, at 8:15 AM, " surellabaer " <surellabaer@...> wrote:

I have my dehumidifiers set on 40% humidity in the basement and so far so good.

I always thought 40% sounded SO high but apparently not!

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  Welcome back, Jack!  (Didn't mean for a cheesy rhyme scheme to escape,

but the sentiment is true!!).  I feel better, if only to know that you support

this work.   So glad we can all get back to supporting the goals of folks

injured by exposure of whatever type.  Good thoughts,

sally

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From: " snk1955@... " <snk1955@...>

Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 6:30:47 PM

Subject: Re: [] Question

 

Thank you, Jack. I know that what I do in this issue is not for the faint

of heart. Sometimes things just occur that cause a rub between goals of

moving this issue forward so health policy reflects accurate science and the

" environmental science " of the US Chamber of Commerce no longer adversely

impacts the lives of us all. I am certain we will all come thru this in

one piece, stronger for the experience and better able to accomplish all that

is within our reach, no matter what aspect of this issue one works.

Really appreciate your written support that it is important the UC/US

Chamber/ACOEM connection be supported as in need of investigation with wrongful

clams denials, as Dina is calling for.

Sharon

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To the Group: This is Dr. Thrasher. I am returning to sickbuilding. I want

all to understand what my position is and has always been regarding Sharon

Kramer and the ACHEMMIC issue.

1. I have always and will always support Sharon. I of the opinion that the

U.C, letters that were originally posted on the ACHEMMIC site be re-posted.

2. I highly recommend that all support Mrs. Dina Padilla and here quest

for an investigation into the Worker's Compensation System in California. As

California goes so does the rest of the U.S.

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I'm filing criminal complaint with the San Diego DA against Kelman and his

attorney tomorrow, for criminal perjury and suborning of it while

strategically litigating to silence me, in furtherance of an interstate

insurance

fraud scheme.

In a message dated 8/24/2010 5:56:41 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

toxicologist1@... writes:

You are welcome. It is not only California but the rest of the states have

similar problems.

Jack-Dwayne: Thrasher, Ph.D.

Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist

www.drthrasher.org

_toxicologist1@..._ (mailto:toxicologist1@...)

Off: 916-745-4703

Cell: 575-937-1150

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Re: [] Question

I'm filing criminal complaint with the San Diego DA against Kelman and his

attorney tomorrow, for criminal perjury and suborning of it while

strategically litigating to silence me, in furtherance of an interstate

insurance

fraud scheme.

In a message dated 8/24/2010 5:56:41 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

toxicologist1@... writes:

You are welcome. It is not only California but the rest of the states have

similar problems.

Jack-Dwayne: Thrasher, Ph.D.

Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist

www.drthrasher.org

_toxicologist1@..._ (mailto:toxicologist1@...)

Off: 916-745-4703

Cell: 575-937-1150

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Trauma Specialist

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Call 1-800- 4ENBREL to inquire about the free patient assistance program.

Ask them directly about this regarding your situation..... " donut hole. "

Lindsey

On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Cooky Stonkey <cookee1@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> I have a question for those in the USA. How do people on social security

> and

> on Embrel and other high cost rheumatoid drugs. get them paid for..after

> the

> donut hole.?

>

> These drugs cost an arm and a leg and I would think after only a few months

> a person would hit the donut hole and I don' know of any drug

> insurance(associated with S.S.) that pays for name brand after you pay your

> part. If the drug companies give them to you free of charge you have to

> have a low income and nothing in the bank to qualify. So how do people stay

> on these year after year?

>

> Does the doctor write to social security? Or to the drug insurance

> companies?

>

> I hope someone has an answer.

>

> Thanks

>

> cooky

>

>

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Lindsey...I don't have a problem...just curious. Thanx

Re: rheumatic question

Call 1-800- 4ENBREL to inquire about the free patient assistance program.

Ask them directly about this regarding your situation..... " donut hole. "

Lindsey

On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Cooky Stonkey <cookee1@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> I have a question for those in the USA. How do people on social security

> and

> on Embrel and other high cost rheumatoid drugs. get them paid for..after

> the

> donut hole.?

>

> These drugs cost an arm and a leg and I would think after only a few

months

> a person would hit the donut hole and I don' know of any drug

> insurance(associated with S.S.) that pays for name brand after you pay

your

> part. If the drug companies give them to you free of charge you have to

> have a low income and nothing in the bank to qualify. So how do people

stay

> on these year after year?

>

> Does the doctor write to social security? Or to the drug insurance

> companies?

>

> I hope someone has an answer.

>

> Thanks

>

> cooky

>

>

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Hi Cooky, What is a donut hole?  Dolores 

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> I have a question for those in the USA. How do people on social security

> and

> on Embrel and other high cost rheumatoid drugs. get them paid for..after

> the

> donut hole.?

>

> These drugs cost an arm and a leg and I would think after only a few

months

> a person would hit the donut hole and I don' know of any drug

> insurance(associated with S.S.) that pays for name brand after you pay

your

> part. If the drug companies give them to you free of charge you have to

> have a low income and nothing in the bank to qualify. So how do people

stay

> on these year after year?

>

> Does the doctor write to social security? Or to the drug insurance

> companies?

>

> I hope someone has an answer.

>

> Thanks

>

> cooky

>

>

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Dolores,

 the donut hole is when you reach 2500 Dollars on your medicine spending by

Medicare D and you have to pay the full price on your meds till you reach 4000

something dollars then medicare D pays again. lots of elderly patients can't

afford some of their meds at that time.

Eva

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> I have a question for those in the USA. How do people on social security

> and

> on Embrel and other high cost rheumatoid drugs. get them paid for..after

> the

> donut hole.?

>

> These drugs cost an arm and a leg and I would think after only a few

months

> a person would hit the donut hole and I don' know of any drug

> insurance(associated with S.S.) that pays for name brand after you pay

your

> part. If the drug companies give them to you free of charge you have to

> have a low income and nothing in the bank to qualify. So how do people

stay

> on these year after year?

>

> Does the doctor write to social security? Or to the drug insurance

> companies?

>

> I hope someone has an answer.

>

> Thanks

>

> cooky

>

>

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wow, that's so sad. never having insurance before (or needing it) I'm now

learning, and experiencing, the frustration of so many people dealing with

insurance companys. the donut hole should be illegal....it's a sin, for the

elderly, for anyone sick.....and very very very frightening! Dolores once said

dealing with our diseases is a battle. For me, it's a constant battle to get

well!! sally

RE: rheumatic question

Dolores,

the donut hole is when you reach 2500 Dollars on your medicine spending by

Medicare D and you have to pay the full price on your meds till you reach 4000

something dollars then medicare D pays again. lots of elderly patients can't

afford some of their meds at that time.

Eva

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> I have a question for those in the USA. How do people on social security

> and

> on Embrel and other high cost rheumatoid drugs. get them paid for..after

> the

> donut hole.?

>

> These drugs cost an arm and a leg and I would think after only a few

months

> a person would hit the donut hole and I don' know of any drug

> insurance(associated with S.S.) that pays for name brand after you pay

your

> part. If the drug companies give them to you free of charge you have to

> have a low income and nothing in the bank to qualify. So how do people

stay

> on these year after year?

>

> Does the doctor write to social security? Or to the drug insurance

> companies?

>

> I hope someone has an answer.

>

> Thanks

>

> cooky

>

>

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and you have to take generic medication. Only brand name if the meds has no

generic meds yet. If you have an HMO it is even worse with what you can

get.That's why I order my Minoxin from Canada, lot less cost for 100 pills than

n the US. I am also on Medicare and I can only get generic medication or I have

to pay out of my pocket.

Eva

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> I have a question for those in the USA. How do people on social security

> and

> on Embrel and other high cost rheumatoid drugs. get them paid for..after

> the

> donut hole.?

>

> These drugs cost an arm and a leg and I would think after only a few

months

> a person would hit the donut hole and I don' know of any drug

> insurance(associated with S.S.) that pays for name brand after you pay

your

> part. If the drug companies give them to you free of charge you have to

> have a low income and nothing in the bank to qualify. So how do people

stay

> on these year after year?

>

> Does the doctor write to social security? Or to the drug insurance

> companies?

>

> I hope someone has an answer.

>

> Thanks

>

> cooky

>

>

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Eva,

where in Canada do you order Minoxin? and do you need doc prescription? my

monthly antibiatics is $30.00, and I pay small amount (i have medicare), but

then I am getting generic brand. I just finished 11 weeks on AP. i know it's

still early....maybe feeling small small relief....and still in pain and hard to

get around. i haven't done any IVs. do you think that would help me out, like

give me a jump start? don't know whether to bite the bullet and make the trip

to see doc. Sinnott (5 hours from here) He said plan on staying the week, plus

the cost of motel and food, gas. i would need someone to go with me...to drive

and help with my care. would be a rough trip for me, but better to do before

Iowa winter!

people say money can't buy happiness....I say bull!! having money now would

give me so much better care, have someone come in daily to help, have nutrious

meals prepared, not worry about costs to get the best treatments available!

anyway, I look pretty today and feel happy. will go sit on my front porch and

get some sunshine, and be grateful for the simplicity and beauty of this sweet

town I live in. sally

i appreciate all of you so much, and feel such a close connection with you.

RE: rheumatic question

and you have to take generic medication. Only brand name if the meds has no

generic meds yet. If you have an HMO it is even worse with what you can

get.That's why I order my Minoxin from Canada, lot less cost for 100 pills than

n the US. I am also on Medicare and I can only get generic medication or I have

to pay out of my pocket.

Eva

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> I have a question for those in the USA. How do people on social security

> and

> on Embrel and other high cost rheumatoid drugs. get them paid for..after

> the

> donut hole.?

>

> These drugs cost an arm and a leg and I would think after only a few

months

> a person would hit the donut hole and I don' know of any drug

> insurance(associated with S.S.) that pays for name brand after you pay

your

> part. If the drug companies give them to you free of charge you have to

> have a low income and nothing in the bank to qualify. So how do people

stay

> on these year after year?

>

> Does the doctor write to social security? Or to the drug insurance

> companies?

>

> I hope someone has an answer.

>

> Thanks

>

> cooky

>

>

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Hi e,Yes, this is very true, this has happened here in the states too.I remember in Florida where I lived they had to take down the playground they built because of toxins that they found of the materials. It takes many many people to get together and be loud to make something happen. No one wants their children in toxic conditions.Something similar happened to me and my son in 1992. My son went to an elementary school where they were fixing it, painting, remodeling, but they were doing it when school was on. My son who was a sensitive to smells complained to be a few times that the smell of the fixings and the paint was making him sick, feeling nauseous as he was still in school learning at the time, he was about 8 yrs old then. So I called the EPA on

them. And they went down to the school and stopped them from working when the children were in attendance. So I made a point and probably saved a few other kids lungs while I was at it. So we all have an obligation to make a fuss when necessary. MicheleFrom: e Bonte <mbmasiba@...>Subject: [health] question"natural remedies" <health >Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 5:05 AM

Hi everybody,

I got a mail in dutch from a friend of mine about a playground in a school in Eindhoven. They used there wood as border for a sandplayground. Now it seems that this wood has been imprigned with chroomtrioxide and other poison products. The product should be celfix ox. One man protested to the use of it by plaint and one doctor adviced to take that wood away but the city don't react correctly, even not the government. Papers about the material vanish out of the map. Meanwhile the kids play already 3 years in that poisoned environment !!!

Maybe it is also good to look not only to our food, but also to playground toys and material for the kids.

http://hetechtenieuws.org/2007-01-28.php

e

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Thank you for your reply Michele. I'll forward your answer to my dutch friend.

e :-)

From: michele horton <epifany97523@...>health Sent: Thu, September 23, 2010 4:32:57 PMSubject: Re: [health] question

Hi e,

Yes, this is very true, this has happened here in the states too.

I remember in Florida where I lived they had to take down the playground they built because of toxins that they found of the materials. It takes many many people to get together and be loud to make something happen. No one wants their children in toxic conditions.

Something similar happened to me and my son in 1992. My son went to an elementary school where they were fixing it, painting, remodeling, but they were doing it when school was on. My son who was a sensitive to smells complained to be a few times that the smell of the fixings and the paint was making him sick, feeling nauseous as he was still in school learning at the time, he was about 8 yrs old then.

So I called the EPA on them. And they went down to the school and stopped them from working when the children were in attendance. So I made a point and probably saved a few other kids lungs while I was at it. So we all have an obligation to make a fuss when necessary.

Michele

From: e Bonte <mbmasiba@...>Subject: [health] question"natural remedies" <health >Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 5:05 AM

Hi everybody,

I got a mail in dutch from a friend of mine about a playground in a school in Eindhoven. They used there wood as border for a sandplayground. Now it seems that this wood has been imprigned with chroomtrioxide and other poison products. The product should be celfix ox. One man protested to the use of it by plaint and one doctor adviced to take that wood away but the city don't react correctly, even not the government. Papers about the material vanish out of the map. Meanwhile the kids play already 3 years in that poisoned environment !!!

Maybe it is also good to look not only to our food, but also to playground toys and material for the kids.

http://hetechtenieuws.org/2007-01-28.php

e

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The fact that you bring that up I'm interested in having my cholesterol checked

Again my ldl cholesterol was high I want to see if the flush helped.

franniboy@... wrote:

>Hello,

>

>Thanks to everyone for keeping the emails coming.

>

>My question is: Has anyone confirmed with stones done flushes and

>subsequently had an ultrasound that showed the stone(s) gone or reduced in

number?

>

>Thanks.

>

>

>In a message dated 9/25/2010 8:30:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

>fbattaglia@... writes:

>

>Licorice tea curbs the sugar cravings

>

>if you are interested I can post a home made tea recipe to curb sugar

>cravings

>

>

>good luck

>

>On Sep 25, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Martisha wrote:

>

>> Yes some of your suggestions I have incorporated in my life some I am

>still working on such as dairy, candy and I drink alot of juices. I crave

>sugar alot preferably fruity candy or fruit drinks. And I will look into

>aspartame Thanks

>>

>>

>>

>> From: Martisha <martishaperry@...>

>>

>> Subject: Did a Liver flush a few nights ago

>>

>> gallstones

>>

>> Date: Saturday, September 25, 2010, 10:37 AM

>>

>>

>>

>> It was successful I used the epsom salt and grapefruit juice combined

>with olive oil. The grapefruit concoction tasted better than the epsom/water

>mix. I had a great success hundreds of small stones a few the size of a

>penny. So many stones leads me to believe I need to do another flush soon that

>I havent pulled them all out yet. That I only pulled the newer ones.

>>

>> During the night I felt bad heart racing nausea but about 4am I saw my

>first stones. I ate around 10 am immediately felt better and overall I can

>tell the difference since I've done the flush but I feel another one is

>needed that I only helped my self a little. By the way I had my gallbladder

>removed in 2006 at age 21 before I knew about any cleanses or flushes I used

>to think those were for weird spiritual people but its really for Healthy

>lifestyle people :-)

>>

>> What led me to do one is drastic weight gain since I lost my

>gallbladder, hormonal issues, bipolar, fatigue, muscle weakness, white coated

tongue,

>slow digestion, constipation, slow healing, acne, large abdomen compared to

>rest of body, and many other symptoms. When I first started detoxing I

>felt 100% better but it would only last a couple of mths which led me to

>believe I was on to something then I came across Sluggish liver I tried a

>cleanser that helped but still didnt last. So Now Im on the liver flush

hopefully

>this will be the answer to all my problems and I can live a normal life

>again and lose this weight! Any questions or comments email me

>>

>>

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FYI

It has been a well documented fact that cholesterol readings can be very

misleading as the emotional state the individual is in may give a high reading

due to the person being under any type of strain, pressure or mood swings - even

being nervous on having blood drawn can effect the number- raising it

once again I urge you all to check out Dr Esselstyn's book on how to Prevent and

Cure Heart Disease- or google Nobel Prize for Medicine 1998 for Nitric Oxide -

this is the discovery that Esselstyn based his work on - brings all readings

back down to normal. Really!

No so amazing that this information has not made it into the public domain-

welcome to the 21st century

Good luck

F

On Sep 26, 2010, at 6:00 PM, Martisha wrote:

> The fact that you bring that up I'm interested in having my cholesterol

checked Again my ldl cholesterol was high I want to see if the flush helped.

>

> franniboy@... wrote:

>

> >Hello,

> >

> >Thanks to everyone for keeping the emails coming.

> >

> >My question is: Has anyone confirmed with stones done flushes and

> >subsequently had an ultrasound that showed the stone(s) gone or reduced in

number?

> >

> >Thanks.

> >

> >

> >In a message dated 9/25/2010 8:30:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> >fbattaglia@... writes:

> >

> >Licorice tea curbs the sugar cravings

> >

> >if you are interested I can post a home made tea recipe to curb sugar

> >cravings

> >

> >

> >good luck

> >

> >On Sep 25, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Martisha wrote:

> >

> >> Yes some of your suggestions I have incorporated in my life some I am

> >still working on such as dairy, candy and I drink alot of juices. I crave

> >sugar alot preferably fruity candy or fruit drinks. And I will look into

> >aspartame Thanks

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> From: Martisha <martishaperry@...>

> >>

> >> Subject: Did a Liver flush a few nights ago

> >>

> >> gallstones

> >>

> >> Date: Saturday, September 25, 2010, 10:37 AM

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> It was successful I used the epsom salt and grapefruit juice combined

> >with olive oil. The grapefruit concoction tasted better than the epsom/water

> >mix. I had a great success hundreds of small stones a few the size of a

> >penny. So many stones leads me to believe I need to do another flush soon

that

> >I havent pulled them all out yet. That I only pulled the newer ones.

> >>

> >> During the night I felt bad heart racing nausea but about 4am I saw my

> >first stones. I ate around 10 am immediately felt better and overall I can

> >tell the difference since I've done the flush but I feel another one is

> >needed that I only helped my self a little. By the way I had my gallbladder

> >removed in 2006 at age 21 before I knew about any cleanses or flushes I used

> >to think those were for weird spiritual people but its really for Healthy

> >lifestyle people :-)

> >>

> >> What led me to do one is drastic weight gain since I lost my

> >gallbladder, hormonal issues, bipolar, fatigue, muscle weakness, white coated

tongue,

> >slow digestion, constipation, slow healing, acne, large abdomen compared to

> >rest of body, and many other symptoms. When I first started detoxing I

> >felt 100% better but it would only last a couple of mths which led me to

> >believe I was on to something then I came across Sluggish liver I tried a

> >cleanser that helped but still didnt last. So Now Im on the liver flush

hopefully

> >this will be the answer to all my problems and I can live a normal life

> >again and lose this weight! Any questions or comments email me

> >>

> >>

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I think you will see some change after a flush.

In a message dated 9/27/2010 12:57:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

martishaperry@... writes:

The fact that you bring that up I'm interested in having my cholesterol

checked Again my ldl cholesterol was high I want to see if the flush helped.

franniboy@... wrote:

>Hello,

>

>Thanks to everyone for keeping the emails coming.

>

>My question is: Has anyone confirmed with stones done flushes and

>subsequently had an ultrasound that showed the stone(s) gone or reduced

in number?

>

>Thanks.

>

>

>In a message dated 9/25/2010 8:30:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

>fbattaglia@... writes:

>

>Licorice tea curbs the sugar cravings

>

>if you are interested I can post a home made tea recipe to curb sugar

>cravings

>

>

>good luck

>

>On Sep 25, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Martisha wrote:

>

>> Yes some of your suggestions I have incorporated in my life some I am

>still working on such as dairy, candy and I drink alot of juices. I

crave

>sugar alot preferably fruity candy or fruit drinks. And I will look into

>aspartame Thanks

>>

>>

>>

>> From: Martisha <martishaperry@...>

>>

>> Subject: Did a Liver flush a few nights ago

>>

>> gallstones

>>

>> Date: Saturday, September 25, 2010, 10:37 AM

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>> It was successful I used the epsom salt and grapefruit juice combined

>with olive oil. The grapefruit concoction tasted better than the

epsom/water

>mix. I had a great success hundreds of small stones a few the size of a

>penny. So many stones leads me to believe I need to do another flush

soon that

>I havent pulled them all out yet. That I only pulled the newer ones.

>>

>> During the night I felt bad heart racing nausea but about 4am I saw my

>first stones. I ate around 10 am immediately felt better and overall I

can

>tell the difference since I've done the flush but I feel another one is

>needed that I only helped my self a little. By the way I had my

gallbladder

>removed in 2006 at age 21 before I knew about any cleanses or flushes I

used

>to think those were for weird spiritual people but its really for

Healthy

>lifestyle people :-)

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>> What led me to do one is drastic weight gain since I lost my

>gallbladder, hormonal issues, bipolar, fatigue, muscle weakness, white

coated tongue,

>slow digestion, constipation, slow healing, acne, large abdomen compared

to

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>felt 100% better but it would only last a couple of mths which led me to

>believe I was on to something then I came across Sluggish liver I tried

a

>cleanser that helped but still didnt last. So Now Im on the liver flush

hopefully

>this will be the answer to all my problems and I can live a normal life

>again and lose this weight! Any questions or comments email me

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Doubt if 'a' flush will register any changes....

>>

>> From: Martisha <martishaperry@...>

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>> Subject: Did a Liver flush a few nights ago

>>

>> gallstones

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>> Date: Saturday, September 25, 2010, 10:37 AM

>>

>>

>>

>> It was successful I used the epsom salt and grapefruit juice combined

>with olive oil. The grapefruit concoction tasted better than the epsom/water

>mix. I had a great success hundreds of small stones a few the size of a

>penny. So many stones leads me to believe I need to do another flush soon that

>I havent pulled them all out yet. That I only pulled the newer ones.

>>

>> During the night I felt bad heart racing nausea but about 4am I saw my

>first stones. I ate around 10 am immediately felt better and overall I can

>tell the difference since I've done the flush but I feel another one is

>needed that I only helped my self a little. By the way I had my gallbladder

>removed in 2006 at age 21 before I knew about any cleanses or flushes I used

>to think those were for weird spiritual people but its really for Healthy

>lifestyle people :-)

>>

>> What led me to do one is drastic weight gain since I lost my

>gallbladder, hormonal issues, bipolar, fatigue, muscle weakness, white coated

tongue,

>slow digestion, constipation, slow healing, acne, large abdomen compared to

>rest of body, and many other symptoms. When I first started detoxing I

>felt 100% better but it would only last a couple of mths which led me to

>believe I was on to something then I came across Sluggish liver I tried a

>cleanser that helped but still didnt last. So Now Im on the liver flush

hopefully

>this will be the answer to all my problems and I can live a normal life

>again and lose this weight! Any questions or comments email me

>>

>>

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God bless you and your determination.

The only thing I can add is that our son had extremely high eosinophils but

when the dr. added Azithromycin for PANDAS, our son's eosins. went from off

the charts to high normal which was amazing considering we had him on the

strictest diet ever for years! I believe that bacteria, in our son's case,

caused a lot of the allergic reaction in his body. Possibly your next step

would be to investigate bacteria such as strep, mycoplasm pneumonia, and

others. Also, he may be allergic to yeast. A yeast test (OAT) from Great

Plains or other labs may shed some light on it. Allergic reactions can be

really hard to pinpoint. Good luck!

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lynn

Capone

Sent: December-09-10 8:36 PM

Subject: Question

Hi.

I am writing to see if any the parents who have older children ever

experienced the following. Since being on the protocol since four, my

son came from a

place where he was severely affected and made significant gains that to me

were a miracle. For example, when he was three, he was out there and I can

remember walking this conservation land to get exercise and he was stimming,

screaming at God knows what, and also not able to walk anywhere normally and

enjoy like other families. He now does this without any issues and looks

quite normal. For the last couple of years, he has been two years behind

grade level and we work harder than anyone I know here and spend at least 15

hours to 18 hours a week doing so and also combining fun. Nothing I seem to

do breaks that two year behind problem and now it is getting worse.

This year, he turned 12 and I have found that his attention that was

previously much better, is way off, and so is his motivation that was also

previously much better. His allergy cells are up, but I have no idea how

because I used to allow small infractions in the past during Halloween or

birthday parties and his labs were fine, but now that I am not doing that at

all, they still higher than ever. The diet is cleaner than ever. I feel

like I am punishing him about the food because we are stricter than ever.

My son had years of gains followed by a regression that is lasting 3 months

and getting worse. Has anyone else on this list experienced anything

similiar and is this just a phase that you think will pass? (I hope so.)

Thanks in advance for any input.

Lynn Tetrault

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Lynn,

Hang in there! Maybe the winter regression is going on now. He will

catch up eventually, maybe it's mold or allergens in the air, who

knows with our kids everything affects them!

Good luck,

Argie

On Dec 9, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Lynn Capone wrote:

> Hi.

>

> I am writing to see if any the parents who have older children ever

> experienced the following. Since being on the protocol since

> four, my son came from a

> place where he was severely affected and made significant gains that

> to me were a miracle. For example, when he was three, he was out

> there and I can remember walking this conservation land to get

> exercise and he was stimming, screaming at God knows what, and also

> not able to walk anywhere normally and enjoy like other families.

> He now does this without any issues and looks quite normal. For the

> last couple of years, he has been two years behind grade level and

> we work harder than anyone I know here and spend at least 15 hours

> to 18 hours a week doing so and also combining fun. Nothing I seem to

> do breaks that two year behind problem and now it is getting worse.

>

> This year, he turned 12 and I have found that his attention that

> was previously much better, is way off, and so is his motivation

> that was also previously much better. His allergy cells are up, but

> I have no idea how because I used to allow small infractions in the

> past during Halloween or birthday parties and his labs were fine,

> but now that I am not doing that at all, they still higher than

> ever. The diet is cleaner than ever. I feel like I am punishing him

> about the food because we are stricter than ever.

>

> My son had years of gains followed by a regression that is lasting

> 3 months and getting worse. Has anyone else on this list

> experienced anything similiar and is this just a phase that you

> think will pass? (I hope so.)

>

> Thanks in advance for any input.

>

>

> Lynn Tetrault

>

>

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Lynn,

Does he have a tutor? And do you work over vacations and summer. Those

were often our big work times because not having school work it gave us time

to concentrate on what he needed to know. When other kids were losing

information, mine always gained because we didn't take a break. Having said

that we used things he loved as reinforcement for learning. Anything on the

computer was great for him as he wanted to be on it all day long. So

computer programs that teach we often did together. Call me. I may not be

great at the medical but this is my area. Maybe together we can come up

with a plan.

Best,

Marcia

805 497-8202

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Lynn,

I agree with Marcia. We not only work over breaks but augment what the schools

do during the school year. The other issue is ESE. We were way behind across the

board until I forced the schools to put Connor in regular ed against all of the

" Team " expert's opinion. It was tuff love but in just a few months Connor was

working at grade level. Two computer programs helps us the most. One " Learning

Today " worked through math and reading problems at grade level using a

progressive (Every time he logs on it increase speed and difficulty) game based

format that he earned points or rewards and in this format he really excelled.

It addressed real life math problems using distances and volumes in settings he

understood. We had pretty good calculating skills but could did grasp word

problems so he always failed standardized tests. Not any more.

The other we still use and it is called reading plus. This was the most amazing

for Connor. He was capable of decoding and phonetically verbalizing but little

comprehension. This program progressively increases his reading speed with short

visual presentations followed by comprehension question. What made this so

important was it literally leaped has spontaneous language skills. I always felt

Connor was translating from the written word to verbal language and this program

has increased his speech dramatically. Connor now makes straight A's and B's in

gen ed when two years ago in ESE he was testing at a first grade level across

the board. Raise the expectations and you will raise the child. ESE across the

board lowers his self expectations and well as those of teachers and peers.

We still do several hours of homework daily but it is worth every minute. I have

just put in my request to his teachers for a Christmas break study package. I

was very specific as to what I needed so it would marry his upcoming spring

school schedule. Again raising self esteem building confidence and lowering

stress in general ed.

________________________________

From: and Marcia Hinds <hindssite@...>

ecapne@...;

Sent: Fri, December 10, 2010 9:00:11 AM

Subject: Re: Question

Lynn,

Does he have a tutor? And do you work over vacations and summer. Those

were often our big work times because not having school work it gave us time

to concentrate on what he needed to know. When other kids were losing

information, mine always gained because we didn't take a break. Having said

that we used things he loved as reinforcement for learning. Anything on the

computer was great for him as he wanted to be on it all day long. So

computer programs that teach we often did together. Call me. I may not be

great at the medical but this is my area. Maybe together we can come up

with a plan.

Best,

Marcia

805 497-8202

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We don’t have scholastic issues but our are just as debilitating. Our son’s

issues are schedules and routines. He still can’t remember what to do with

himself or what is expected from him. Any suggestions? Thank you.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Bill

klimas

Sent: December-10-10 10:37 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Question

Lynn,

I agree with Marcia. We not only work over breaks but augment what the schools

do during the school year. The other issue is ESE. We were way behind across the

board until I forced the schools to put Connor in regular ed against all of the

" Team " expert's opinion. It was tuff love but in just a few months Connor was

working at grade level. Two computer programs helps us the most. One " Learning

Today " worked through math and reading problems at grade level using a

progressive (Every time he logs on it increase speed and difficulty) game based

format that he earned points or rewards and in this format he really excelled.

It addressed real life math problems using distances and volumes in settings he

understood. We had pretty good calculating skills but could did grasp word

problems so he always failed standardized tests. Not any more.

The other we still use and it is called reading plus. This was the most amazing

for Connor. He was capable of decoding and phonetically verbalizing but little

comprehension. This program progressively increases his reading speed with short

visual presentations followed by comprehension question. What made this so

important was it literally leaped has spontaneous language skills. I always felt

Connor was translating from the written word to verbal language and this program

has increased his speech dramatically. Connor now makes straight A's and B's in

gen ed when two years ago in ESE he was testing at a first grade level across

the board. Raise the expectations and you will raise the child. ESE across the

board lowers his self expectations and well as those of teachers and peers.

We still do several hours of homework daily but it is worth every minute. I have

just put in my request to his teachers for a Christmas break study package. I

was very specific as to what I needed so it would marry his upcoming spring

school schedule. Again raising self esteem building confidence and lowering

stress in general ed.

________________________________

From: and Marcia Hinds <hindssite@...

<mailto:hindssite%40verizon.net> >

ecapne@... <mailto:ecapne%40> ;

<mailto:%40>

Sent: Fri, December 10, 2010 9:00:11 AM

Subject: Re: Question

Lynn,

Does he have a tutor? And do you work over vacations and summer. Those

were often our big work times because not having school work it gave us time

to concentrate on what he needed to know. When other kids were losing

information, mine always gained because we didn't take a break. Having said

that we used things he loved as reinforcement for learning. Anything on the

computer was great for him as he wanted to be on it all day long. So

computer programs that teach we often did together. Call me. I may not be

great at the medical but this is my area. Maybe together we can come up

with a plan.

Best,

Marcia

805 497-8202

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Can you give me more information about this program -- ie: who makes it,

website link? This sounds like it would be tremendously helpful for a few

of the kids I work with. Thanks,

Gaylen

In a message dated 12/10/2010 8:37:41 A.M. Central Standard Time,

klimas_bill@... writes:

It was tuff love but in just a few months Connor was

working at grade level. Two computer programs helps us the most. One

" Learning

Today " worked through math and reading problems at grade level using a

progressive (Every time he logs on it increase speed and difficulty) game

based

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