Re: Breastfeeding & Coconut Oil/ MCT

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

I am new here, have never posted, but was curious myself if anyone had tried MCT

oil.  I too have been taking CO for sometime now.  Recently I found a web site

that recommended mixing the two together, 16 oz of MCT oil to 12 oz of Coconut

Oil.  Wow, the energy you get is amazing.  At least that has been my

experience

and I have only been doing the MCT since last Friday.  And the mixture stays

liquid, except in the fridge but its a good place to store the extra and it

returns and stays liquid at room temp. 

I envy you knowing about CO and taking while pregnant.  Have you also checked

into the importance of Vitamin D for you and your baby?  Around 400IU for the

baby and / or 2000 IU a day for you.

I do not think that MCT oil is bad for you while breast feeding.  And the

reason

it is suggested that you mix the CO and MCT is that MCT has only one or two

types of  Medium chain fatty acids and CO has many more.

C.

________________________________

From: U <thewozi@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Sat, July 2, 2011 3:30:15 PM

Subject: Breastfeeding & Coconut Oil/ MCT

 

I have been consuming Coconut Oil during my pregnancy, and now have a beautiful,

healthy baby boy. I have been thinking of adding MCT oil to my diet. I think it

might help me with the 'baby brain' I have been experiencing. Does anyone know

if MCT oil is safe during breastfeeding?

Thanks!

[Guest guest]

,

I can't think of a reason why it wouldn't be safe. Monolaurin is one

of the main reasons why breast milk is healthier than cow or goat (or soy)

milk. This fortifies the baby's immune system and prevents infection from

germs. The more the better as far as I can tell.

Bob

Breastfeeding & Coconut Oil/ MCT

>I have been consuming Coconut Oil during my pregnancy, and now have a

>beautiful, healthy baby boy. I have been thinking of adding MCT oil to my

>diet. I think it might help me with the 'baby brain' I have been

>experiencing. Does anyone know if MCT oil is safe during breastfeeding?

>

> Thanks!

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Since lauric acid is one of the components of human breast milk that prevents

infection in a newborn I would hold off on the MCT oil until you are finished

breast feeding as MCT oil contains no lauric acid. Using both might not be a

good idea either as I seem to recall that one of our members reported feeling

over-stimulated by it with a need for constant movement. Think how that might

impact an infant. Better to be err on the side of caution I think.

All the Best,

Dee

>

> I have been consuming Coconut Oil during my pregnancy, and now have a

beautiful, healthy baby boy. I have been thinking of adding MCT oil to my diet.

I think it might help me with the 'baby brain' I have been experiencing. Does

anyone know if MCT oil is safe during breastfeeding?

>

> Thanks!

>

[Guest guest]

Dee's thoughts make a lot of sense with regards to the baby.  I too have this

over stimulation, though frankly I can use it.  However I would say that if you

really want to try MCT, you might mix it with Higher levels of CO.  I am

presently doing 16 oz MCT and 12 oz CO.  I think I will go 50/50 on the next

batch.

You might want to try 16 oz CO and maybe 4 to 8 oz MCT to start.  Or you can

just add 1 teaspoon full a day and continue with the CO. 

Mixing it does make it a bit easier to measure since it stays liquid.

________________________________

From: Dolores <dgk@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Thu, July 7, 2011 8:11:53 AM

Subject: Re: Breastfeeding & Coconut Oil/ MCT

 

,

Since lauric acid is one of the components of human breast milk that prevents

infection in a newborn I would hold off on the MCT oil until you are finished

breast feeding as MCT oil contains no lauric acid. Using both might not be a

good idea either as I seem to recall that one of our members reported feeling

over-stimulated by it with a need for constant movement. Think how that might

impact an infant. Better to be err on the side of caution I think.

All the Best,

Dee

>

> I have been consuming Coconut Oil during my pregnancy, and now have a

>beautiful, healthy baby boy. I have been thinking of adding MCT oil to my diet.

>I think it might help me with the 'baby brain' I have been experiencing. Does

>anyone know if MCT oil is safe during breastfeeding?

>

> Thanks!

>

[Guest guest]

I have a question about this MCT oil, which I had never heard of as such, but I

looked it up. It says it occurs naturally in CO and palm kernel oil. So what do

they derive the MCT oil from? (I couldn't find a source on the info I found).

And why not just use CO or palm kernel oil? What are the benefits of taking it

on its own? (Most importantly, though, where does it come from? Is it made in a

lab? That would automatically turn me off from it).

--Leah

> >

> > I have been consuming Coconut Oil during my pregnancy, and now have a

> >beautiful, healthy baby boy. I have been thinking of adding MCT oil to my

diet.

> >I think it might help me with the 'baby brain' I have been experiencing. Does

> >anyone know if MCT oil is safe during breastfeeding?

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Coconut oil is composed of approximately 66% medium-chain triglycerides.  MCT

oil is 100% medium - chain triglycerides.    I can't find a quick answer as

to

how its made, but the medical community uses it to feed premies, burn victims,

comotose, anyone that needs a quick form of enery to heal or grow.  It does

make

you a bit hyper to start, but I have noticed it is easing up a bit.  I can only

speak to myself, but I have noticed more healing, more energy etc, with the mix

of MCT and CO than with the CO alone.

 

C

________________________________

From: Leah <wenandleah@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Fri, July 8, 2011 2:08:00 PM

Subject: Re: Breastfeeding & Coconut Oil/ MCT

 

I have a question about this MCT oil, which I had never heard of as such, but I

looked it up. It says it occurs naturally in CO and palm kernel oil. So what do

they derive the MCT oil from? (I couldn't find a source on the info I found).

And why not just use CO or palm kernel oil? What are the benefits of taking it

on its own? (Most importantly, though, where does it come from? Is it made in a

lab? That would automatically turn me off from it).

--Leah

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[Guest guest]

Hi Leah,

You ask a very good question. The newer product called MCT oil is very confusing

because virgin coconut oil is also considered an MCT oil - whole and

un-fractionated. MCT stands for medium chain triglycerides and coconut oil

contains them all. A new product called MCT oil, on the other hand, is

fractionated (separated by fractional distillation) from coconut oil or palm

kernal oil and has had most of the MCT's (medium chain triglicerides) removed

except for the capritic and caprylic acid. As a result it is lacking in lauric,

palmitic oleic and linoleic acids.

This " MCT oil is a vegetable oil distilled from coconut oil or palm kernel oil

with steam. The steam's heat separates the medium-chain fatty acids (MCFAs) from

the whole coconut oil or palm kernel oil. After distillation, the free MCFAs are

esterified (attached) to a glycerol backbone, re-forming them into the

characteristic triglyceride (fat) molecules of vegetable oil. The raw MCT oil is

then purified and deodorized with traditional vegetable oil refining

procedures. "

http://www.microlipids.com/frequent-questions/

Manufacturers of this MCT oil like to tell you that MCT oil is what was added to

infant formula in hospitals for the treatment of malnutrition. However, this is

simply untrue because the newer oil contains no lauric acid which is so

important for infants (and people too!). To learn more about MCT's (the whole

kind) this is the best place to start:

http://www.coconutresearchcenter.org/article10612.htm

All the Best,

Dee

> > >

> > > I have been consuming Coconut Oil during my pregnancy, and now have a

> > >beautiful, healthy baby boy. I have been thinking of adding MCT oil to my

diet.

> > >I think it might help me with the 'baby brain' I have been experiencing.

Does

> > >anyone know if MCT oil is safe during breastfeeding?

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

> You ask a very good question. The newer product called MCT oil is very

confusing because virgin coconut oil is also considered an MCT oil -

---------

Dee,

thank you for your very helpful answer. I suspected this may be the case. I'm

not really into engineered food. I figure God knew what He was doing when he

made the healing foods in their whole forms.

Thanks!

Leah

[Guest guest]

Leah,

I understand the sentiment about whole foods, but when we eat the coconut oil by

itself we are not eating the " whole food " .  True the coconut is mildly

processed, but processed/manufactured none-the-less as it the MCT oil.

C.

________________________________

From: Leah <wenandleah@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Sat, July 9, 2011 11:11:44 AM

Subject: Re: Breastfeeding & Coconut Oil/ MCT

 

> You ask a very good question. The newer product called MCT oil is very

>confusing because virgin coconut oil is also considered an MCT oil -

>

---------

Dee,

thank you for your very helpful answer. I suspected this may be the case. I'm

not really into engineered food. I figure God knew what He was doing when he

made the healing foods in their whole forms.

Thanks!

Leah

[Guest guest]

You are quite welcome Leah, and I agree with you. It's hard enough to find

unadulterated and non-engineered food these days!

Best,

Dee

> Dee,

> thank you for your very helpful answer. I suspected this may be the case. I'm

not really into engineered food. I figure God knew what He was doing when he

made the healing foods in their whole forms.

>

> Thanks!

> Leah

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

While it is true that NO oil is a " whole " food (because it has to be extracted

from such) there does seem to be a HUGE difference in the extraction methods

used in making the best VCO and the newer MCT oil. One does need to do some

research on the coconut oil one buys, however. In any case VCO is much closer to

whole food due to the fact that none of the MCT's natural to coconuts have been

removed. Of course it's a good idea to eat the coconut meat as well, but since

we all use oil of some kind for cooking, VCO is a very healthy choice. I'm just

not so sure about the so-called MCT oil. Perhaps if the two are mixed it's ok.

The thing that bothers me about this MCT oil, though, is the over stimulating

effect. Perhaps this is well suited to those who are very active physically

(like athletes) but it also kind of reminds me of some of the performance

enhancing drugs they often take that ultimately are not so healthy. I just don't

think we know enough about the long term effects of MCT oil to make a good

judgement as yet, whereas VCO has been used for centuries without ill effect. At

any rate I respect your right to make your own decisions and only weighed in on

this because of the questions regarding breast feeding and manufacturing

methods.

All the Best,

Dee

>

> Leah,

>

> I understand the sentiment about whole foods, but when we eat the coconut oil

by

> itself we are not eating the " whole food " .  True the coconut is mildly

> processed, but processed/manufactured none-the-less as it the MCT oil.

>

> C.

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Leah <wenandleah@...>

> Coconut Oil

> Sent: Sat, July 9, 2011 11:11:44 AM

> Subject: Re: Breastfeeding & Coconut Oil/ MCT

>

>  

>

> > You ask a very good question. The newer product called MCT oil is very

> >confusing because virgin coconut oil is also considered an MCT oil -

> >

>

> ---------

>

> Dee,

> thank you for your very helpful answer. I suspected this may be the case. I'm

> not really into engineered food. I figure God knew what He was doing when he

> made the healing foods in their whole forms.

>

>

> Thanks!

> Leah

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

" MCT oils " (caprylic and caproic acids) are well known to kill infection and

they are often also used in candida treatment.

They don;t always come from coconuts; this study used " MCT oil " derived from

beef tallow.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=15051845

MCT oil helps baby goats' brains so there's no reason to expect it not help

human babies' brains as well ...Maybe better than coconut oil, as mammalian

milk doesn't have as much lauric acid in it.

I would agree to go light on the lauric acid with the baby, as research

indications are that some hemolysis of cell walls occurs with lauric acid even

as it is being absorbed by the cells. It " cuts " the lipid-rich layer of cells

somewhat.

all good,

Duncan

> >

> > I have been consuming Coconut Oil during my pregnancy, and now have a

beautiful, healthy baby boy. I have been thinking of adding MCT oil to my diet.

I think it might help me with the 'baby brain' I have been experiencing. Does

anyone know if MCT oil is safe during breastfeeding?

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan,

That 1973 test tube experiment with Lauric Acid (not coconut oil) was thoroughly

debunked in an earlier discussion so why are you bringing it up once again????

And has anyone suggested feeding lauric acid BY ITSELF to a baby? No, of course

not. And as everyone knows by now, coconut oil has been added to infant formulas

for a long time due to testing on both animals and humans:

quote from Bruce Fife: " Both animal and human studies have shown MCT to be an

important component in mother's milk for the proper growth and development of

their offspring. For example, when pregnant and lactating pigs were fed diets

containing either long-chain fatty acids (vegetable oil) or medium-chain fatty

acids (coconut oil) there was a pronounced difference in the survival and growth

rates. The piglets whose mothers received the MCT grew faster and healthier and

had a survival rate of 68% compared to 32%. This was particularly true with

piglets which were born underweight.5

The same thing appears to happen in humans. For example, coconut oil was added

to the formula of 46 very low-birthweight babies to see if supplementation was

capable of enhancing their weight gain. The group with the coconut oil gained

weight quicker. The weight gain was due to physical growth and not fat storage.6

The babies gained more weight and grew better with the coconut oil because their

bodies were able to digest it easily. The vegetable oils, to a great extent,

passed through their digestive tracts undigested and thus deprived them of the

fat calories they needed for proper development. MCT not only allow infants to

absorb needed fats but they improve the absorption of fat-soluble vitamins,

minerals, and protein. " end quote

Note that the MCT in the above quote was from COCONUT OIL with the lauric acid

intact.

Dee

> I would agree to go light on the lauric acid with the baby, as research

indications are that some hemolysis of cell walls occurs with lauric acid even

as it is being absorbed by the cells. It " cuts " the lipid-rich layer of cells

somewhat.

>

[Guest guest]

Dee,

Yes, there was a stimulating affect for about a week and then it started

tapering off as my body adjusted.  I am mixing it with VCO, I can't imagine

using MCT straight unless I needed some serious healing like from a surgery or

illness.

I don't mind the extra processing for the MCT, I buy the NOW brand of it and I

have been reasonably happy with the majority of their products.  Most of my

dislike of a product they brand has more to do with taste when it comes to some

of the foods they offer.

And as much as I would like to eat organic, there is very little of it I can

afford so I try to eat local veggies and fruits and I am doing a pretty good

job.  I do buy organic eggs and a few other " whole foods " , but much comes from

the regular grocery store and the only real rule I have for processed food is no

more than 3 ingredients and I must recognize the 3 as real food or spice. 

And every now and then I have a free meal and hit a fast food or something else

I rarely eat anymore but miss.

C.

________________________________

From: Dolores <dgk@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Sat, July 9, 2011 1:33:53 PM

Subject: Re: Breastfeeding & Coconut Oil/ MCT

 

Hi ,

While it is true that NO oil is a " whole " food (because it has to be extracted

from such) there does seem to be a HUGE difference in the extraction methods

used in making the best VCO and the newer MCT oil. One does need to do some

research on the coconut oil one buys, however. In any case VCO is much closer to

whole food due to the fact that none of the MCT's natural to coconuts have been

removed. Of course it's a good idea to eat the coconut meat as well, but since

we all use oil of some kind for cooking, VCO is a very healthy choice. I'm just

not so sure about the so-called MCT oil. Perhaps if the two are mixed it's ok.

The thing that bothers me about this MCT oil, though, is the over stimulating

effect. Perhaps this is well suited to those who are very active physically

(like athletes) but it also kind of reminds me of some of the performance

enhancing drugs they often take that ultimately are not so healthy. I just don't

think we know enough about the long term effects of MCT oil to make a good

judgement as yet, whereas VCO has been used for centuries without ill effect. At

any rate I respect your right to make your own decisions and only weighed in on

this because of the questions regarding breast feeding and manufacturing

methods.

All the Best,

Dee

>

> Leah,

>

> I understand the sentiment about whole foods, but when we eat the coconut oil

>by

>

> itself we are not eating the " whole food " .  True the coconut is

mildly

> processed, but processed/manufactured none-the-less as it the MCT oil.

>

> C.

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Leah <wenandleah@...>

> Coconut Oil

> Sent: Sat, July 9, 2011 11:11:44 AM

> Subject: Re: Breastfeeding & Coconut Oil/ MCT

>

>  

>

> > You ask a very good question. The newer product called MCT oil is very

> >confusing because virgin coconut oil is also considered an MCT oil -

> >

>

> ---------

>

> Dee,

> thank you for your very helpful answer. I suspected this may be the case. I'm

> not really into engineered food. I figure God knew what He was doing when he

> made the healing foods in their whole forms.

>

>

> Thanks!

> Leah

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Many people and health writers think coconut oil is functionally equivalent to

the MCT oil used in the research, but it differs from MCT oil by 86.5%; thus,

its properties are different as well.

Coconut oil is 51% lauric acid but MCT oil used in much of the research

contained zero lauric acid and 100% blended caprylic and capric acids.

Here's an analysis of the fatty acids of several different food oils including

coconut oil:

http://tinyurl.com/oil-references

I'm not sure that lauric acid is important to human babies or children because

MCT oils are simply broken down and burned as fuel. I think there is

justification for reducing the lauric acid component in favour of other good

fats. Oleic acid for example is the oil most utilised by the body; large amounts

of it are in butter (milk fat), which is a natural food for mammals. Butter

contains very little lauric acid compared to coocnut oil, more in keeping with

actual mammalian requirements.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Hi Leah,

>

> You ask a very good question. The newer product called MCT oil is very

confusing because virgin coconut oil is also considered an MCT oil - whole and

un-fractionated.

[Guest guest]

Dee, the research showed cell lipid layers are compromised by lauric acid,

resulting in some degree of hemolysis of red blood cell walls.

I think you did not debunk this research but you chose to ignore it, which is a

big difference, particularly in a health conversation

all good,

Duncan

>

> Duncan,

>

> That 1973 test tube experiment with Lauric Acid (not coconut oil) was

thoroughly debunked

[Guest guest]

Duncan,

There is absolutely NO research that you have presented that showed cell lipid

layers are compromised by COCONUT OIL. As was said before, a single study from

1973 using lauric acid that has been separated from the oil and added to blood

cells in a test tube means absolutely NOTHING. If it did do you think infants

would continue to thrive on formula to which coconut oil was added? It seems to

me that you are the one who is stubbornly ignoring the large amount of evidence

in favor of VCO and ALL of the MCT's, including Lauric Acid.

I'm done with you now and shall ignore all further responses from you. As one of

our knowledgeable members said to me once in a private email - arguing with you

is like having a discussion with a jellyfish. This is just one more example.

Dee

> >

> > Duncan,

> >

> > That 1973 test tube experiment with Lauric Acid (not coconut oil) was

thoroughly debunked

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with you, Dee, that no research has shown coconut oil compromised cell

lipid layers. But lauric acid lyses some red blood cells so probably should be

kept low, and I think it's a good idea to blend the components to correspond

with mammalian milk, which doesn't contain a lot of lauric acid.

Quoting this article that quotes Dr. Fife for expediency:

http://www.emaxhealth.com/4/689.html

" If her diet doesn't contain lauric acid, then generally her milk fat will

contain around 3% lauric acid and around 1% capric acid "

The article continues to say that up to three times the lauric acid is in

mother's breast milk if she eats lauric acid.

So, that's 6% to about 21%; a far cry from the 51% lauric acid in raw coconut

oil.

This study:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC293173/pdf/jcinvest00328-0179.pdf

....points out, " when excess nonfat calories are fed to the mother, the milk

shows a striking increase in lauric and myristic acids and a marked decline of

all polyenoic acids " .

So the high lauric acid in mom's breast milk is perhaps an abnormal condition

induced by " excess " calories? You can also induce it by eating lauric acid, but

it doesn't mean it's a normal condition.

I think reducing lauric acid intake to correspond with more normal levels would

be good for the baby, so adding other MCT oils to skew the balance away from 50%

lauric would be a good thing. Butter again comes to mind, as oleic acid is in

fact the most used fuel oil in the body. In butter we have more MCT oil and a

tad less lauric acid.

all good,

Duncan

> > >

> > > Duncan,

> > >

> > > That 1973 test tube experiment with Lauric Acid (not coconut oil) was

thoroughly debunked

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks everyone for the input. I am going to stick with just the coconut oil

while nursing.

 

aka (I have no idea why it showed my name as

From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2011 9:52 PM

Subject: Re: Breastfeeding & Coconut Oil/ MCT

 

I agree with you, Dee, that no research has shown coconut oil compromised cell

lipid layers. But lauric acid lyses some red blood cells so probably should be

kept low, and I think it's a good idea to blend the components to correspond

with mammalian milk, which doesn't contain a lot of lauric acid.

Quoting this article that quotes Dr. Fife for expediency:

http://www.emaxhealth.com/4/689.html

" If her diet doesn't contain lauric acid, then generally her milk fat will

contain around 3% lauric acid and around 1% capric acid "

The article continues to say that up to three times the lauric acid is in

mother's breast milk if she eats lauric acid.

So, that's 6% to about 21%; a far cry from the 51% lauric acid in raw coconut

oil.

This study:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC293173/pdf/jcinvest00328-0179.pdf

....points out, " when excess nonfat calories are fed to the mother, the milk

shows a striking increase in lauric and myristic acids and a marked decline of

all polyenoic acids " .

So the high lauric acid in mom's breast milk is perhaps an abnormal condition

induced by " excess " calories? You can also induce it by eating lauric acid, but

it doesn't mean it's a normal condition.

I think reducing lauric acid intake to correspond with more normal levels would

be good for the baby, so adding other MCT oils to skew the balance away from 50%

lauric would be a good thing. Butter again comes to mind, as oleic acid is in

fact the most used fuel oil in the body. In butter we have more MCT oil and a

tad less lauric acid.

all good,

Duncan

> > >

> > > Duncan,

> > >

> > > That 1973 test tube experiment with Lauric Acid (not coconut oil) was

thoroughly debunked

> >

>

[Guest guest]

" ... arguing with you is like having a discussion with a jellyfish " .

I ate jellyfish. In Bohol, Philippines, where I came from, it is human food.

The best recipe for me is boiling the jellyfish for about 5 minutes with

coconut milk.

Tony.

________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

My guess is that you are referring to RBD (refined, bleached, deodorized)

coconut oil (the coconut oil produced from copra which uses chemicals and very

high heat in its processing). I think Virgin Coconut Oil is whole food or whole

coconut oil. Being extracted naturally from fresh coconut fruits, without use of

chemicals and with minimal heat, it is essentially the whole fat and

fat-associated nature of the coconut food. It is not the whole coconut fruit

though.

Tony

________________________________

From: Cody <lecody2001@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Sat, July 9, 2011 11:54:42 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Breastfeeding & Coconut Oil/ MCT

Leah,

I understand the sentiment about whole foods, but when we eat the coconut oil by

itself we are not eating the " whole food " . True the coconut is mildly

processed, but processed/manufactured none-the-less as it the MCT oil.

C.

________________________________

From: Leah <wenandleah@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Sat, July 9, 2011 11:11:44 AM

Subject: Re: Breastfeeding & Coconut Oil/ MCT

> You ask a very good question. The newer product called MCT oil is very

>confusing because virgin coconut oil is also considered an MCT oil -

>

---------

Dee,

thank you for your very helpful answer. I suspected this may be the case. I'm

not really into engineered food. I figure God knew what He was doing when he

made the healing foods in their whole forms.

Thanks!

Leah

[Guest guest]

No, I was not referring to that.  I was only pointing out to Leah that when we

buy VCO oil in a jar it is not as nature made, it has been

extracted/processed/manufactured, even if only a tiny bit.  Now the RBD is

heavily processed and from Dee's description MCT oil fall somewhere in the

middle.  If you want the whole food, just eat the whole coconut as is, other

wise, we just have to accept the fact that humans process most of their foods,

even if, as in CO, only pressing out the fluids from the coconut meat.  I am

pretty sure they don't do it by hand and use mechanical presses. 

man·u·fac·ture (mny-fkchr)

v. man·u·fac·tured, man·u·fac·tur·ing, man·u·fac·tures

v.tr.

1.

a. To make or process (a raw material) into a finished product, especially by

means of a large-scale industrial operation.

b. To make or process (a product), especially with the use of industrial

machines.

2. To create, produce, or turn out in a mechanical manner: " His books seem to

have been manufactured rather than composed " (Dwight Macdonald).

3. To concoct or invent; fabricate: manufacture an excuse.

v.intr.

To make or process goods, especially in large quantities and by means of

industrial machines.

n.

1.

a. The act, craft, or process of manufacturing products, especially on a large

scale.

b. An industry in which mechanical power and machinery are employed.

2. A product that is manufactured.

3. The making or producing of something.

Basically my point is that we have all drawn a line as to how processed a food

is that we will accept as " natural " or " natural enough " or as a whole food.

Thanks,

C.

________________________________

From: AGPacific Nutriceutical <agnutriceutical@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Sun, July 10, 2011 9:39:35 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Breastfeeding & Coconut Oil/ MCT

 

Hi ,

My guess is that you are referring to RBD (refined, bleached, deodorized)

coconut oil (the coconut oil produced from copra which uses chemicals and very

high heat in its processing). I think Virgin Coconut Oil is whole food or whole

coconut oil. Being extracted naturally from fresh coconut fruits, without use of

chemicals and with minimal heat, it is essentially the whole fat and

fat-associated nature of the coconut food. It is not the whole coconut fruit

though.

Tony

[Guest guest]

LOL, you're not trying to give me any ideas are you Tony? as that's truly

inspired :-)

Dee

>

> " ... arguing with you is like having a discussion with a jellyfish " .

>

> I ate jellyfish. In Bohol, Philippines, where I came from, it is human food.

> The best recipe for me is boiling the jellyfish for about 5 minutes with

> coconut milk.

>

> Tony.

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[Guest guest]

I highly agree with you Tony. VCO is WHOLE (a thing complete in itself, or

comprising all its parts or elements) coconut oil. As well, my immediate and

natural response is to see it as a valuable source of Lauric acid which,

when consumed, directly improves the the Lauric acid content in mammalian

mothers milk, Duncan.

I'm proud to be the father of a remarkably healthy 1.5 year old who is

breastfed. We have been using VCO, amongst other whole foods and super

foods, with the intent for them to enrich her body and spirit. Which I am

very pleased they have done an incredible job of.

From what I've come to understand here, I would consider MCT oil more of a

therapeutic medicine than a homeopathic food because of its narrowed and

focused spectrum of oils which cause specific actions in the body. I will

stick to the natural potpourri of oils found in VCO unless I need or desire

the specific effects that are attributed to MCT oil.

With gratitude,

On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 8:39 AM, AGPacific Nutriceutical <

agnutriceutical@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> My guess is that you are referring to RBD (refined, bleached, deodorized)

> coconut oil (the coconut oil produced from copra which uses chemicals and

> very

> high heat in its processing). I think Virgin Coconut Oil is whole food or

> whole

> coconut oil. Being extracted naturally from fresh coconut fruits, without

> use of

> chemicals and with minimal heat, it is essentially the whole fat and

> fat-associated nature of the coconut food. It is not the whole coconut

> fruit

> though.

>

> Tony

>

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> From: Cody <lecody2001@...>

>

> Coconut Oil

> Sent: Sat, July 9, 2011 11:54:42 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: Breastfeeding & Coconut Oil/ MCT

>

>

> Leah,

>

> I understand the sentiment about whole foods, but when we eat the coconut

> oil by

>

> itself we are not eating the " whole food " . True the coconut is mildly

> processed, but processed/manufactured none-the-less as it the MCT oil.

>

> C.

>

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> From: Leah <wenandleah@...>

> Coconut Oil

> Sent: Sat, July 9, 2011 11:11:44 AM

> Subject: Re: Breastfeeding & Coconut Oil/ MCT

>

> > You ask a very good question. The newer product called MCT oil is very

> >confusing because virgin coconut oil is also considered an MCT oil -

> >

>

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>

> Dee,

> thank you for your very helpful answer. I suspected this may be the case.

> I'm

> not really into engineered food. I figure God knew what He was doing when

> he

> made the healing foods in their whole forms.

>

> Thanks!

> Leah

>

>

[Guest guest]

Given my response to MCT oil / VCO mix, and my prior lack of response to VCO by

itself I would say I really needed the MCT.  For me is has been amazing.  And

yes for Coconut oil being an oil it is complete as nothing needs to be added but

is it really a whole food.  I think of a tomato or a orange or a strawberry as

being a whole food, but is the juice from these fruits " whole " . Anytime you

remove part of the whole, you have then have parts.  With a coconut you have the

meat, the oil, and the water, all 3 are natural but are they " whole " or should

that label be reserved for the whole coconut?     

I think the problem I may be causing is the difference between a natural and/or

organic whole food that hasn't been messed with on its way to your cupboard and

those same foods that have been extracted from or reduced from the whole food,

while still natural/organic, it has been changed and hopefully still as good for

you but it is now somewhat processed.  

So the question is, how much processing is ok before you draw the line on what

you will consume?

But seriously, give MCT/VCO mix a shot before you  condemn it to the overly

manufactured therefore must be bad for us. 

C.    

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From: Wyse <wyse.nathan@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Mon, July 11, 2011 3:11:01 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Breastfeeding & Coconut Oil/ MCT

I highly agree with you Tony. VCO is WHOLE (a thing complete in itself, or

comprising all its parts or elements) coconut oil. As well, my immediate and

natural response is to see it as a valuable source of Lauric acid which,

when consumed, directly improves the the Lauric acid content in mammalian

mothers milk, Duncan.

I'm proud to be the father of a remarkably healthy 1.5 year old who is

breastfed. We have been using VCO, amongst other whole foods and super

foods, with the intent for them to enrich her body and spirit. Which I am

very pleased they have done an incredible job of.

From what I've come to understand here, I would consider MCT oil more of a

therapeutic medicine than a homeopathic food because of its narrowed and

focused spectrum of oils which cause specific actions in the body. I will

stick to the natural potpourri of oils found in VCO unless I need or desire

the specific effects that are attributed to MCT oil.

With gratitude,

On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 8:39 AM, AGPacific Nutriceutical <

agnutriceutical@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> My guess is that you are referring to RBD (refined, bleached, deodorized)

> coconut oil (the coconut oil produced from copra which uses chemicals and

> very

> high heat in its processing). I think Virgin Coconut Oil is whole food or

> whole

> coconut oil. Being extracted naturally from fresh coconut fruits, without

> use of

> chemicals and with minimal heat, it is essentially the whole fat and

> fat-associated nature of the coconut food. It is not the whole coconut

> fruit

> though.

>

> Tony

>

> ________________________________

> From: Cody <lecody2001@...>

>

> Coconut Oil

> Sent: Sat, July 9, 2011 11:54:42 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: Breastfeeding & Coconut Oil/ MCT

>

>

> Leah,

>

> I understand the sentiment about whole foods, but when we eat the coconut

> oil by

>

> itself we are not eating the " whole food " . True the coconut is mildly

> processed, but processed/manufactured none-the-less as it the MCT oil.

>

> C.

>

> ________________________________

> From: Leah <wenandleah@...>

> Coconut Oil

> Sent: Sat, July 9, 2011 11:11:44 AM

> Subject: Re: Breastfeeding & Coconut Oil/ MCT

>

> > You ask a very good question. The newer product called MCT oil is very

> >confusing because virgin coconut oil is also considered an MCT oil -

> >

>

> ---------

>

> Dee,

> thank you for your very helpful answer. I suspected this may be the case.

> I'm

> not really into engineered food. I figure God knew what He was doing when

> he

> made the healing foods in their whole forms.

>

> Thanks!

> Leah

>

>