Re: Raw coconut butter versus oil

[Guest guest]

eatgr8,

If one is after MCFA's then the raw oil is best. They are both very

healthy but there is a higher lauric acid content in the oil too. Go to the

following link for more.

http://www.coconutresearchcenter.org/

Bob

Raw coconut butter versus oil

>I prefer the taste of raw coconut butter, sometimes referred to as coconut

>cream, over coconut oil when adding to raw foods. Does anyone know of or

>can point me to research documentation regarding the two coconut products?

>Specifically interested in learning if the raw butter ihas the dame health

>benefits as the oil - considering the nutrient values are different.

>Thanks!

>

>

>

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>

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[Guest guest]

Read it. Wouldn't higher lauric acid be a negative factor, which would then

point to the raw butter as more nutritional if it is lower in l.a. Just trying

to understand - Thanks for your help.

Janet Michel

417-224-0121

On Jul 5, 2011, at 3:49 PM, " Bob Banever " <bbanever@...> wrote:

> eatgr8,

>

> If one is after MCFA's then the raw oil is best. They are both very

> healthy but there is a higher lauric acid content in the oil too. Go to the

> following link for more.

> http://www.coconutresearchcenter.org/

>

> Bob

> Raw coconut butter versus oil

>

> >I prefer the taste of raw coconut butter, sometimes referred to as coconut

> >cream, over coconut oil when adding to raw foods. Does anyone know of or

> >can point me to research documentation regarding the two coconut products?

> >Specifically interested in learning if the raw butter ihas the dame health

> >benefits as the oil - considering the nutrient values are different.

> >Thanks!

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi !

Greetings from the Philippines !

Both of these products, coconut cream/coconut milk and coconut oil (CNO) are

extracted or basically derived from the meat or kernel of the mature nut (12

month old fruit bunch). If we refer to the most valuable saturated medium chain

fatty acid of coconut meat/oil, the lauric fatty acid (C12), both products

contains 47-53% lauric fatty acid and the moderate concentrations of low chain

saturated fatty acids (capric and caprylic) and small contents of unsaturated

and polyunsaturated fatty acids.

All the best,

Sev Magat

From: Bob Banever <bbanever@...>

Subject: Re: Raw coconut butter versus oil

Coconut Oil

Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2011, 4:49 AM

 

eatgr8,

If one is after MCFA's then the raw oil is best. They are both very

healthy but there is a higher lauric acid content in the oil too. Go to the

following link for more.

http://www.coconutresearchcenter.org/

Bob

Raw coconut butter versus oil

>I prefer the taste of raw coconut butter, sometimes referred to as coconut

>cream, over coconut oil when adding to raw foods. Does anyone know of or

>can point me to research documentation regarding the two coconut products?

>Specifically interested in learning if the raw butter ihas the dame health

>benefits as the oil - considering the nutrient values are different.

>Thanks!

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Janet,

As lauric fatty acid is classified as a medium chain fatty acid(MCFA) or medium

chain triglycerides(MCT), a higher level of lauric fatty acid is added advantage

for health and body nutrition.  As such (C12 saturated fatty acid), it is

easily metabolized in the body, converted fast to body energy.

If you examine the formulated milk, the MCT is an important nutritional

component.  Coconut oil, a plant or vegetable oil dominated by the lauric fatty

acid is now considered by many as the most stable  frying oil, not converted to

the dreaded trans-fat, thus  will not oxidize our body tissues. 

Not sure, if you quite get my clarifications on your query.  If not, I suggest

you ask Dr Buce Fife, N.D. and Nutritionist, pioneer a member of this e-forum

group on coconut oil.

Regards,

Sev Magat 

> eatgr8,

>

> If one is after MCFA's then the raw oil is best. They are both very

> healthy but there is a higher lauric acid content in the oil too. Go to the

> following link for more.

> http://www.coconutresearchcenter.org/

>

> Bob

> Raw coconut butter versus oil

>

> >I prefer the taste of raw coconut butter, sometimes referred to as coconut

> >cream, over coconut oil when adding to raw foods. Does anyone know of or

> >can point me to research documentation regarding the two coconut products?

> >Specifically interested in learning if the raw butter ihas the dame health

> >benefits as the oil - considering the nutrient values are different.

> >Thanks!

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Mr. Magat,

Thank you for that knowledge and information.

Bob

Raw coconut butter versus oil

>I prefer the taste of raw coconut butter, sometimes referred to as coconut

>cream, over coconut oil when adding to raw foods. Does anyone know of or

>can point me to research documentation regarding the two coconut products?

>Specifically interested in learning if the raw butter ihas the dame health

>benefits as the oil - considering the nutrient values are different.

>Thanks!

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bob,

Thanks for appreciating. I'll be glad if you could share such valuable

information to others.

All the best,

Sev Magat

From: Bob Banever <bbanever@...>

Subject: Re: Raw coconut butter versus oil

Coconut Oil

Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2011, 4:49 AM

eatgr8,

If one is after MCFA's then the raw oil is best. They are both very

healthy but there is a higher lauric acid content in the oil too. Go to the

following link for more.

http://www.coconutresearchcenter.org/

Bob

Raw coconut butter versus oil

>I prefer the taste of raw coconut butter, sometimes referred to as coconut

>cream, over coconut oil when adding to raw foods. Does anyone know of or

>can point me to research documentation regarding the two coconut products?

>Specifically interested in learning if the raw butter ihas the dame health

>benefits as the oil - considering the nutrient values are different.

>Thanks!

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Janet, Severino, most of the research in peer-review used " MCT oil " , not raw

coconut oil, so the lauric acid and the rest of the components had been removed,

leaving caprylic and capric acids. These are also odourless and flavourless and

with a high flash point suitable for frying, but since they are pourable at room

temperature they are better suited for salads, while lauric acid would be solid

at that temperature.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Hi Janet,

> As lauric fatty acid is classified as a medium chain fatty acid(MCFA) or

medium chain triglycerides(MCT), a higher level of lauric fatty acid is added

advantage for health and body nutrition.  As such (C12 saturated fatty acid),

it is easily metabolized in the body, converted fast to body energy.

> If you examine the formulated milk, the MCT is an important nutritional

component.  Coconut oil, a plant or vegetable oil dominated by the lauric fatty

acid is now considered by many as the most stable  frying oil, not converted to

the dreaded trans-fat, thus  will not oxidize our body tissues. 

> Not sure, if you quite get my clarifications on your query.  If not, I

suggest you ask Dr Buce Fife, N.D. and Nutritionist, pioneer a member of this

e-forum group on coconut oil.

> Regards,

> Sev Magat 

>

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan, 

What do you mean of  raw coconut oil ?.  

BY the way, I was provided with a copy of a published work (done few years ago)

on fatty acid profile of coconut oil in different forms (RBD CNO, VCO from

different trade sources and different processes) conducted in the the country by

 a very competent group of research chemists of the University of the

Philippines at Los Banos. The lauric content (%)  in all  of the

samples/sources of coconut oil (CNO) used in the mentioned study registered

values within 47 - 53%. In addition. their  study also  tested the fatty acid

profile and vitamin E (alpha-tocopherol) contents of coconut oils from nuts of

tall varieties, dwarf varieties and hybrids of coconut in the the Philippines to

explore/determine the variability of selected chemical properties of the coconut

oil. 

Thanks and Cheers,

Sev Magat

From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Subject: Re: Raw coconut butter versus oil

Coconut Oil

Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2011, 11:29 PM

 

Janet, Severino, most of the research in peer-review used " MCT oil " , not

raw coconut oil, so the lauric acid and the rest of the components had been

removed, leaving caprylic and capric acids. These are also odourless and

flavourless and with a high flash point suitable for frying, but since they are

pourable at room temperature they are better suited for salads, while lauric

acid would be solid at that temperature.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Hi Janet,

> As lauric fatty acid is classified as a medium chain fatty acid(MCFA) or

medium chain triglycerides(MCT), a higher level of lauric fatty acid is added

advantage for health and body nutrition.  As such (C12 saturated fatty acid),

it is easily metabolized in the body, converted fast to body energy.

> If you examine the formulated milk, the MCT is an important nutritional

component.  Coconut oil, a plant or vegetable oil dominated by the lauric

fatty acid is now considered by many as the most stable  frying oil, not

converted to the dreaded trans-fat, thus  will not oxidize our body

tissues. 

> Not sure, if you quite get my clarifications on your query.  If not, I

suggest you ask Dr Buce Fife, N.D. and Nutritionist, pioneer a member of this

e-forum group on coconut oil.

> Regards,

> Sev Magat 

>

>

[Guest guest]

Severino I mean raw, unrefined coconut oil when I write " raw coconut oil " .

The fatty acid profile of several food oils are in Greg 's oils analysis

worksheet. I think his figure for VCO is 51% lauric acid.

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/coconut-oil.html#references

MCT oil used in the research doesn't contain lauric acid; it's a commercial

blend of capric and caprylic acids similar to " fractionated coconut oil " sold by

Quality First International.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Duncan, 

> What do you mean of  raw coconut oil ?.

[Guest guest]

Peer-reviewed research on what? While I am sure there is research on MCT oil, if

you do a google for " peer-reviewed research articles on MCT oil " the first thing

you will come up with this:

http://www.coconutoil.com/peer_reviewed.htm

Looks like these all use virgin coconut oil to me. And Sev Magat is correct. The

higher level of lauric acid is an added advantage. The MCT oil to which you are

referring has been refined and the lauric acid removed. Because of that I

certainly would not recommend this as a replacement for VCO despite its' greater

convenience.

Dee

> >

> > Hi Janet,

> > As lauric fatty acid is classified as a medium chain fatty acid(MCFA) or

medium chain triglycerides(MCT), a higher level of lauric fatty acid is added

advantage for health and body nutrition.  As such (C12 saturated fatty acid),

it is easily metabolized in the body, converted fast to body energy.

> > If you examine the formulated milk, the MCT is an important nutritional

component.  Coconut oil, a plant or vegetable oil dominated by the lauric fatty

acid is now considered by many as the most stable  frying oil, not converted to

the dreaded trans-fat, thus  will not oxidize our body tissues. 

> > Not sure, if you quite get my clarifications on your query.  If not, I

suggest you ask Dr Buce Fife, N.D. and Nutritionist, pioneer a member of this

e-forum group on coconut oil.

> > Regards,

> > Sev Magat 

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Peer-reviewed research on MCT oil comes up in PubMed with a search on " MCT oil "

with quotes, which yielded 69 hits:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22MCT%20oil%22

Might indeed look all the same to you; many people confuse " MCT oil " used by the

researchers with coconut oil.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Peer-reviewed research on what? While I am sure there is research on MCT oil,

if you do a google for " peer-reviewed research articles on MCT oil " the first

thing you will come up with this:

>

> http://www.coconutoil.com/peer_reviewed.htm

>

> Looks like these all use virgin coconut oil to me.

[Guest guest]

Duncan,

You say that " many people confuse " MCT oil " used by the researchers with coconut

oil " and to that I reply - and visa versa - which was exactly my point. And I

hope people who are interested in this discussion will take the time to check

out the Pub Med references you cite below as most have nothing whatever to do

with the MCT oil you are promoting. For example, just a quick check of the first

6 or 7 of them says nothing about capritic or caprolytic acids so when they say

MCT oil was used it is totally unclear in what form; therefore I will continue

to trust Bruce Fife when he says that " Almost all of the medium-chain

triglycerides used in research, medicine, and food products come from coconut

oil. "

http://www.coconutresearchcenter.org/article10612.htm

And btw, many of those 69 hits (as evidenced by the first ones I reviewed) have

little to do with the health benefits. As I said, I do hope people will check

these out in order to verify this.

Dee

>

> Peer-reviewed research on MCT oil comes up in PubMed with a search on " MCT

oil " with quotes, which yielded 69 hits:

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22MCT%20oil%22

>

> Might indeed look all the same to you; many people confuse " MCT oil " used by

the researchers with coconut oil.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

[Guest guest]

Dee, yes, you might have to read more research to find out which ones used

coconut oil and which used MCT oil. I found a lot of info on it. Anyhow, the

point is that commercial MCT oil is not coocnut oil, and does not contain the

lauric acid that comprises 1/2 of the coconut oil.

all good,

Duncan

> >

> > Peer-reviewed research on MCT oil comes up in PubMed with a search on " MCT

oil " with quotes, which yielded 69 hits:

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22MCT%20oil%22

> >

> > Might indeed look all the same to you; many people confuse " MCT oil " used by

the researchers with coconut oil.

> >

> > all good,

> >

> > Duncan

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan,

You aren't presenting any information I haven't already posted.

Dee

> > >

> > > Peer-reviewed research on MCT oil comes up in PubMed with a search on " MCT

oil " with quotes, which yielded 69 hits:

> > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22MCT%20oil%22

> > >

> > > Might indeed look all the same to you; many people confuse " MCT oil " used

by the researchers with coconut oil.

> > >

> > > all good,

> > >

> > > Duncan

> >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

OK, Dee, just a note that there's no such thing as " capritic or caprolytic

acids " so it's no wonder you can't find any data on them

all good,

Duncan

>

> Duncan,

>

> You aren't presenting any information I haven't already posted.

>>... For example, just a quick check of the first 6 or 7 of them says nothing

about capritic or caprolytic acids

[Guest guest]

Duncan,

I didn't spell check when I wrote that, so sue me. However, I didn't type it

into a search engine either. I simply read what was presented and could find

nothing even remotely related to ANY of the MCT's. But you can do your own

research on those - as you obviously have not.

Dee

> >

> > Duncan,

> >

> > You aren't presenting any information I haven't already posted.

> >>... For example, just a quick check of the first 6 or 7 of them says nothing

about capritic or caprolytic acids

>

[Guest guest]

Dee, this study spelled out that " MCT oil contained octanoate and decanoate only

(100% saturated medium-chain fatty acids). "

Research paper: Medium chain triglyceride oil consumption as part of a weight

loss diet does not lead to an adverse metabolic profile when compared to olive

oil

Abstract location:

<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18845704>

Fulltext copy:

<http://www.vitafor.com.br/artigos/mct3.PDF>

Sometimes you need details from the actual peer-reviewed papers, and finding

them and understanding them are both important. I can do both

all good,

Duncan

>

> Duncan,

>

> I didn't spell check when I wrote that, so sue me. However, I didn't type it

into a search engine either. I simply read what was presented and could find

nothing even remotely related to ANY of the MCT's. But you can do your own

research on those - as you obviously have not.

>

> Dee

>