Guest guest Posted September 21, 2011 Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 If you like the very strong smell of rotten eggs then you will love dmso mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2011 Report Share Posted September 22, 2011 I keep reading that its garlicy.. ________________________________ From: michaelinde <michaelinde@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Wed, September 21, 2011 10:21:24 PM Subject: Re: Advice on DSMO If you like the very strong smell of rotten eggs then you will love dmso mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2011 Report Share Posted September 22, 2011 That's what I have read as well ; however, I have a jar of 70% dmso/30% aloe vera and don't notice any smell - and if it's on my breath at least no one has mentioned it :-) Dee > > I keep reading that its garlicy.. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: michaelinde <michaelinde@...> > Coconut Oil > Sent: Wed, September 21, 2011 10:21:24 PM > Subject: Re: Advice on DSMO > > > > If you like the very strong smell of rotten eggs then you will love dmso > > mike > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2011 Report Share Posted September 22, 2011 How has it worked for you, because that is what I was considering getting was the 70/30 DMSO/aloe vera.. ________________________________ From: Dolores <dgk@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Thu, September 22, 2011 10:18:13 AM Subject: Re: Advice on DSMO That's what I have read as well ; however, I have a jar of 70% dmso/30% aloe vera and don't notice any smell - and if it's on my breath at least no one has mentioned it :-) Dee > > I keep reading that its garlicy.. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: michaelinde <michaelinde@...> > Coconut Oil > Sent: Wed, September 21, 2011 10:21:24 PM > Subject: Re: Advice on DSMO > > > > If you like the very strong smell of rotten eggs then you will love dmso > > mike > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2011 Report Share Posted September 22, 2011 I bought from a man on ebay selling dmso with no smell and comes in bottles...it really does not smell but is not as potent as the one i get from animal feed stores which sells 99.99% dmso. I found another site that sells 99.99%o that is not an industrial DMSO and comes in brown bottle. Looks like a credible vendor as he is known to sell apricot seeds from some cancer victims. > > > > I keep reading that its garlicy.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: michaelinde <michaelinde@> > > Coconut Oil > > Sent: Wed, September 21, 2011 10:21:24 PM > > Subject: Re: Advice on DSMO > > > > > > > > If you like the very strong smell of rotten eggs then you will love dmso > > > > mike > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2011 Report Share Posted September 22, 2011 Hi , I tried the feed stores.. No luck where I live so I order the gel from amazon. They too sell a brand in a dark bottle. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_4?url=search-alias%3Dhpc & field-keywords\ =dmso+medical+grade & sprefix=DMSO So after I read the book and try the DMSO/Aloe Vera Gel.. I might try the liquid. Or maybe the gel and the MSM powder will be enough. C ________________________________ From: <@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Thu, September 22, 2011 12:29:21 PM Subject: Re: Advice on DSMO I bought from a man on ebay selling dmso with no smell and comes in bottles...it really does not smell but is not as potent as the one i get from animal feed stores which sells 99.99% dmso. I found another site that sells 99.99%o that is not an industrial DMSO and comes in brown bottle. Looks like a credible vendor as he is known to sell apricot seeds from some cancer victims. > > > > I keep reading that its garlicy.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: michaelinde <michaelinde@> > > Coconut Oil > > Sent: Wed, September 21, 2011 10:21:24 PM > > Subject: Re: Advice on DSMO > > > > > > > > If you like the very strong smell of rotten eggs then you will love dmso > > > > mike > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2011 Report Share Posted September 22, 2011 It does help and if you don't have bone on bone arthritis it will probably work even better. It worked great for my partner who had lots of muscle pain so it's well worth a try. Good for lots of other things too (though not all are applied through the skin): http://www.altmedicenter.com/am/dmso.asp?pageID=dmso3.asp Dee > > > > I keep reading that its garlicy.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: michaelinde <michaelinde@> > > Coconut Oil > > Sent: Wed, September 21, 2011 10:21:24 PM > > Subject: Re: Advice on DSMO > > > > > > > > If you like the very strong smell of rotten eggs then you will love dmso > > > > mike > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2011 Report Share Posted September 22, 2011 Luckily mine is not bone on bone... just osteo arthritis with minimal damage, in my hip, neck and lower back. Hoping the two together, MSM and DMSO will work together to get me relatively pain free. Just wish I could have found some locally. Hope the mail gets it here soon. ________________________________ From: Dolores <dgk@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Thu, September 22, 2011 2:39:19 PM Subject: Re: Advice on DSMO It does help and if you don't have bone on bone arthritis it will probably work even better. It worked great for my partner who had lots of muscle pain so it's well worth a try. Good for lots of other things too (though not all are applied through the skin): http://www.altmedicenter.com/am/dmso.asp?pageID=dmso3.asp Dee > > > > I keep reading that its garlicy.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: michaelinde <michaelinde@> > > Coconut Oil > > Sent: Wed, September 21, 2011 10:21:24 PM > > Subject: Re: Advice on DSMO > > > > > > > > If you like the very strong smell of rotten eggs then you will love dmso > > > > mike > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2011 Report Share Posted September 22, 2011 I have the 90% DMSO and i havent noticed any smell either. I kept hearing about the strong smell. My mother didnt notice it either she was using it for her joints with magnesium oil. Although she did have a heat sensation, I dont think it did very much for her. I was really glad to have it on hand though for a bad toothache recently, rubbing a little on the cheek near the pain and onto the affected gum really helped to ease the pain until I could get to a dentist. Val ________________________________ From: Dolores <dgk@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Thursday, 22 September 2011, 15:18 Subject: Re: Advice on DSMO  That's what I have read as well ; however, I have a jar of 70% dmso/30% aloe vera and don't notice any smell - and if it's on my breath at least no one has mentioned it :-) Dee > > I keep reading that its garlicy.. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: michaelinde <michaelinde@...> > Coconut Oil > Sent: Wed, September 21, 2011 10:21:24 PM > Subject: Re: Advice on DSMO > > > > If you like the very strong smell of rotten eggs then you will love dmso > > mike > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2011 Report Share Posted September 22, 2011 Maybe you have to use a lot of it or ingest it for the smell... well I guess I will find out. ________________________________ From: Val <mijas07@...> " Coconut Oil " <Coconut Oil > Sent: Thu, September 22, 2011 4:49:23 PM Subject: Re: Re: Advice on DSMO I have the 90% DMSO and i havent noticed any smell either. I kept hearing about the strong smell. My mother didnt notice it either she was using it for her joints with magnesium oil. Although she did have a heat sensation, I dont think it did very much for her. I was really glad to have it on hand though for a bad toothache recently, rubbing a little on the cheek near the pain and onto the affected gum really helped to ease the pain until I could get to a dentist. Val ________________________________ From: Dolores <dgk@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Thursday, 22 September 2011, 15:18 Subject: Re: Advice on DSMO That's what I have read as well ; however, I have a jar of 70% dmso/30% aloe vera and don't notice any smell - and if it's on my breath at least no one has mentioned it :-) Dee > > I keep reading that its garlicy.. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: michaelinde <michaelinde@...> > Coconut Oil > Sent: Wed, September 21, 2011 10:21:24 PM > Subject: Re: Advice on DSMO > > > > If you like the very strong smell of rotten eggs then you will love dmso > > mike > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 In additional Russian research, DMSO was combined in a 1981 study with two drugs for their evaluation in the treatment of dry socket. The dry socket is an unhealed wound at the site of a tooth extraction, characterized by intense pain, discharge of pus, and sequestra. It is most often associated with a difficult extraction. DMSO acted as a synergistic penetrant for the two drugs, resulting in increased speed of healing.45 A German study has shown that women who applied DMSO topi-cally for a month were relieved of a painful breast condition, chronic cystic mastitis. Conditions of the urinary tract, unaffected by any other known medication, have responded to this medicine. In some cases, it has made it possible for men to resume sexual intercourse where pre-viously pain or urethral blockage made it impossible. DMSO speeds blood flow by causing vessels to dilate. South Ameri-can studies indicate it is effective in heart attacks or angina pectoris. It has been credited with preventing damage to heart muscle. There is a crying need for research on the use of massive doses of DMSO (2 gm. per kilogram body weight) in the treatment of heart attacks. Simply by soaking his patient's hands and forearms in the drug, Cleveland Clinic's former rheumatologist, Arthur L. Scherbel, M.D., had been having great success against scleroderma, also known as " hidebound disease, " in which the skin becomes thickened, hard, and rigid.46 More about the use of DMSO for scleroderma is found in Chapter 13. DMSO has a history similar to ether. Ether was known for 600 years before it was recognized as an anesthetic. Dimethyl sulfoxide waited on the laboratory shelf for nearly 100 years before it was learned that it had medicinal properties. Exhaustive tests to determine more therapeutic uses and possible toxicity or unknown side effects are continuing daily in both clinical trials and laboratory experiments. Reports on DMSO are continually funnelled into the University of Oregon central clearinghouse. New information and more journal references are being sought. What is recognized as toxicity or side effects needs recording and broadcastin to the scientific community, including the FDA. The following sect' sets down all the information about side effects and toxicity as th relate to DMSO. As you'll see, there aren't many, but research continuing under the watchful eye of the FDA. CHAPTER 5 The Toxicity and Side Effects of DMSO The ABC-TV program Good Morning America interviewed Her-schler, the co-discoverer of the pharmaceutical effects of DMSO, at 8:17 A.M., February 5, 1981. Viewers watched this chemist, a former em-ployee of the Crown Zellerbach Corporation, now Director of the DMSO Research Center, say on the broadcast, " . . the toxicity of DMSO is very low. It's not true that it is dangerous. Compared to aspirin, DMSO is a much safer drug. People are killed taking aspirin; no one has ever been killed taking DMSO. " The program host, Hartman, asked, " If this is the case and you are so sold on it, why has the FDA not approved its use? " " In 1964, the FDA complained bitterly about DMSO because it was both a commercial solvent and a drug, " replied Herschler. " They could not control it. Beyond that, we had a meeting with Francis Kelsey of the FDA where she raised her hands and said, 'We simply cannot cope with a product like DMSO. We envision hundreds of applications [NDA's] coming in, and we simply don't have a budget or staff.' From then on they took a hard line against DMSO . There are many controlled studies that prove it is both effective and safe. And the FDA knows it! The FDA has at least 100,000 clinicals [patient reports], and if they statistically evaluate them, and they have, and if they try to prove it is not safe and effective, they simply cannot do it. They have been using this gambit of 'double-blind'-being able to use the 'double-blind' as the reason for rejecting it. " Herschler added that it is a situation of " bureaucratic Mickey Mouse " that is keeping DMSO out of the hands of the people. Hartman's other television guest, J. Crout, M.D., Director of the FDA's Bureau of Drugs, took exception to being aligned with Mickey Mouse. " It's true that there's been quite a bit of initial inquiry-scientific dabbling-certainly a lot of patients have used DMSO, " Dr. Crout said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Cain, Thanks for the advance info. I have the book coming, looking forward to reading it, and a jar of DMSO/AloeVera gel coming this weekend. Hope it helps. ________________________________ From: Cain Ltd <cainltd@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Tue, September 27, 2011 4:18:12 PM Subject: Re: Advice on DSMO In additional Russian research, DMSO was combined in a 1981 study with two drugs for their evaluation in the treatment of dry socket. The dry socket is an unhealed wound at the site of a tooth extraction, characterized by intense pain, discharge of pus, and sequestra. It is most often associated with a difficult extraction. DMSO acted as a synergistic penetrant for the two drugs, resulting in increased speed of healing.45 A German study has shown that women who applied DMSO topi-cally for a month were relieved of a painful breast condition, chronic cystic mastitis. Conditions of the urinary tract, unaffected by any other known medication, have responded to this medicine. In some cases, it has made it possible for men to resume sexual intercourse where pre-viously pain or urethral blockage made it impossible. DMSO speeds blood flow by causing vessels to dilate. South Ameri-can studies indicate it is effective in heart attacks or angina pectoris. It has been credited with preventing damage to heart muscle. There is a crying need for research on the use of massive doses of DMSO (2 gm. per kilogram body weight) in the treatment of heart attacks. Simply by soaking his patient's hands and forearms in the drug, Cleveland Clinic's former rheumatologist, Arthur L. Scherbel, M.D., had been having great success against scleroderma, also known as " hidebound disease, " in which the skin becomes thickened, hard, and rigid.46 More about the use of DMSO for scleroderma is found in Chapter 13. DMSO has a history similar to ether. Ether was known for 600 years before it was recognized as an anesthetic. Dimethyl sulfoxide waited on the laboratory shelf for nearly 100 years before it was learned that it had medicinal properties. Exhaustive tests to determine more therapeutic uses and possible toxicity or unknown side effects are continuing daily in both clinical trials and laboratory experiments. Reports on DMSO are continually funnelled into the University of Oregon central clearinghouse. New information and more journal references are being sought. What is recognized as toxicity or side effects needs recording and broadcastin to the scientific community, including the FDA. The following sect' sets down all the information about side effects and toxicity as th relate to DMSO. As you'll see, there aren't many, but research continuing under the watchful eye of the FDA. CHAPTER 5 The Toxicity and Side Effects of DMSO The ABC-TV program Good Morning America interviewed Her-schler, the co-discoverer of the pharmaceutical effects of DMSO, at 8:17 A.M., February 5, 1981. Viewers watched this chemist, a former em-ployee of the Crown Zellerbach Corporation, now Director of the DMSO Research Center, say on the broadcast, " . . the toxicity of DMSO is very low. It's not true that it is dangerous. Compared to aspirin, DMSO is a much safer drug. People are killed taking aspirin; no one has ever been killed taking DMSO. " The program host, Hartman, asked, " If this is the case and you are so sold on it, why has the FDA not approved its use? " " In 1964, the FDA complained bitterly about DMSO because it was both a commercial solvent and a drug, " replied Herschler. " They could not control it. Beyond that, we had a meeting with Francis Kelsey of the FDA where she raised her hands and said, 'We simply cannot cope with a product like DMSO. We envision hundreds of applications [NDA's] coming in, and we simply don't have a budget or staff.' From then on they took a hard line against DMSO . There are many controlled studies that prove it is both effective and safe. And the FDA knows it! The FDA has at least 100,000 clinicals [patient reports], and if they statistically evaluate them, and they have, and if they try to prove it is not safe and effective, they simply cannot do it. They have been using this gambit of 'double-blind'-being able to use the 'double-blind' as the reason for rejecting it. " Herschler added that it is a situation of " bureaucratic Mickey Mouse " that is keeping DMSO out of the hands of the people. Hartman's other television guest, J. Crout, M.D., Director of the FDA's Bureau of Drugs, took exception to being aligned with Mickey Mouse. " It's true that there's been quite a bit of initial inquiry-scientific dabbling-certainly a lot of patients have used DMSO, " Dr. Crout said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 What book is this; I missed it. Thanks, Judy On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote: > ** > > > Cain, > > Thanks for the advance info. I have the book coming, looking forward to > reading > it, and a jar of DMSO/AloeVera gel coming this weekend. > > Hope it helps. > > > > ________________________________ > From: Cain Ltd <cainltd@...> > Coconut Oil > Sent: Tue, September 27, 2011 4:18:12 PM > Subject: Re: Advice on DSMO > > > In additional Russian research, DMSO was combined in a 1981 study with two > drugs for their evaluation in the treatment of dry socket. The dry socket > is > an unhealed wound at the site of a tooth extraction, characterized by > intense pain, discharge of pus, and sequestra. It is most often associated > with a difficult extraction. DMSO acted as a synergistic penetrant for the > two drugs, resulting in increased speed of healing.45 > > A German study has shown that women who applied DMSO topi-cally for a month > were relieved of a painful breast condition, chronic cystic mastitis. > > Conditions of the urinary tract, unaffected by any other known medication, > have responded to this medicine. In some cases, it has made it possible for > men to resume sexual intercourse where pre-viously pain or urethral > blockage > made it impossible. > > DMSO speeds blood flow by causing vessels to dilate. South Ameri-can > studies > indicate it is effective in heart attacks or angina pectoris. It has been > credited with preventing damage to heart muscle. There is a crying need for > research on the use of massive doses of DMSO (2 gm. per kilogram body > weight) in the treatment of heart attacks. > > Simply by soaking his patient's hands and forearms in the drug, Cleveland > Clinic's former rheumatologist, Arthur L. Scherbel, M.D., had been having > great success against scleroderma, also known as " hidebound disease, " in > which the skin becomes thickened, hard, and rigid.46 More about the use of > DMSO for scleroderma is found in Chapter 13. > > DMSO has a history similar to ether. Ether was known for 600 years before > it > was recognized as an anesthetic. Dimethyl sulfoxide waited on the > laboratory > shelf for nearly 100 years before it was learned that it had medicinal > properties. > > Exhaustive tests to determine more therapeutic uses and possible toxicity > or > unknown side effects are continuing daily in both clinical trials and > laboratory experiments. Reports on DMSO are continually funnelled into the > University of Oregon central clearinghouse. New information and more > journal > references are being sought. What is recognized as toxicity or side effects > needs recording and broadcastin to the scientific community, including the > FDA. The following sect' sets down all the information about side effects > and toxicity as th relate to DMSO. As you'll see, there aren't many, but > research continuing under the watchful eye of the FDA. > > CHAPTER 5 > > The Toxicity and > > Side Effects of DMSO > > The ABC-TV program Good Morning America interviewed Her-schler, the > co-discoverer of the pharmaceutical effects of DMSO, at 8:17 A.M., February > 5, 1981. Viewers watched this chemist, a former em-ployee of the Crown > Zellerbach Corporation, now Director of the DMSO Research Center, say on > the > broadcast, " . . the toxicity of DMSO is very low. It's not true that it is > dangerous. Compared to aspirin, DMSO is a much safer drug. People are > killed > taking aspirin; no one has ever been killed taking DMSO. " > > The program host, Hartman, asked, " If this is the case and you are so > sold on it, why has the FDA not approved its use? " > > " In 1964, the FDA complained bitterly about DMSO because it was both a > commercial solvent and a drug, " replied Herschler. " They could not control > it. Beyond that, we had a meeting with Francis Kelsey of the FDA where she > raised her hands and said, 'We simply cannot cope with a product like DMSO. > We envision hundreds of applications [NDA's] coming in, and we simply don't > have a budget or staff.' From then on they took a hard line against DMSO . > There are many controlled studies that prove it is both effective and safe. > And the FDA knows it! The FDA has at least 100,000 clinicals [patient > reports], and if they statistically evaluate them, and they have, and if > they try to prove it is not safe and effective, they simply cannot do it. > They have been using this gambit of 'double-blind'-being able to use the > 'double-blind' as the reason for rejecting it. " > > Herschler added that it is a situation of " bureaucratic Mickey Mouse " that > is keeping DMSO out of the hands of the people. > > Hartman's other television guest, J. Crout, M.D., Director of the > FDA's Bureau of Drugs, took exception to being aligned with Mickey Mouse. > " It's true that there's been quite a bit of initial inquiry-scientific > dabbling-certainly a lot of patients have used DMSO, " Dr. Crout said. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0895295482 This one, DMSO, Nature's Healer, ________________________________ From: J Trettel <gnp222@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Tue, September 27, 2011 6:31:08 PM Subject: Re: Re: Advice on DSMO What book is this; I missed it. Thanks, Judy On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote: > ** > > > Cain, > > Thanks for the advance info. I have the book coming, looking forward to > reading > it, and a jar of DMSO/AloeVera gel coming this weekend. > > Hope it helps. > > > > ________________________________ > From: Cain Ltd <cainltd@...> > Coconut Oil > Sent: Tue, September 27, 2011 4:18:12 PM > Subject: Re: Advice on DSMO > > > In additional Russian research, DMSO was combined in a 1981 study with two > drugs for their evaluation in the treatment of dry socket. The dry socket > is > an unhealed wound at the site of a tooth extraction, characterized by > intense pain, discharge of pus, and sequestra. It is most often associated > with a difficult extraction. DMSO acted as a synergistic penetrant for the > two drugs, resulting in increased speed of healing.45 > > A German study has shown that women who applied DMSO topi-cally for a month > were relieved of a painful breast condition, chronic cystic mastitis. > > Conditions of the urinary tract, unaffected by any other known medication, > have responded to this medicine. In some cases, it has made it possible for > men to resume sexual intercourse where pre-viously pain or urethral > blockage > made it impossible. > > DMSO speeds blood flow by causing vessels to dilate. South Ameri-can > studies > indicate it is effective in heart attacks or angina pectoris. It has been > credited with preventing damage to heart muscle. There is a crying need for > research on the use of massive doses of DMSO (2 gm. per kilogram body > weight) in the treatment of heart attacks. > > Simply by soaking his patient's hands and forearms in the drug, Cleveland > Clinic's former rheumatologist, Arthur L. Scherbel, M.D., had been having > great success against scleroderma, also known as " hidebound disease, " in > which the skin becomes thickened, hard, and rigid.46 More about the use of > DMSO for scleroderma is found in Chapter 13. > > DMSO has a history similar to ether. Ether was known for 600 years before > it > was recognized as an anesthetic. Dimethyl sulfoxide waited on the > laboratory > shelf for nearly 100 years before it was learned that it had medicinal > properties. > > Exhaustive tests to determine more therapeutic uses and possible toxicity > or > unknown side effects are continuing daily in both clinical trials and > laboratory experiments. Reports on DMSO are continually funnelled into the > University of Oregon central clearinghouse. New information and more > journal > references are being sought. What is recognized as toxicity or side effects > needs recording and broadcastin to the scientific community, including the > FDA. The following sect' sets down all the information about side effects > and toxicity as th relate to DMSO. As you'll see, there aren't many, but > research continuing under the watchful eye of the FDA. > > CHAPTER 5 > > The Toxicity and > > Side Effects of DMSO > > The ABC-TV program Good Morning America interviewed Her-schler, the > co-discoverer of the pharmaceutical effects of DMSO, at 8:17 A.M., February > 5, 1981. Viewers watched this chemist, a former em-ployee of the Crown > Zellerbach Corporation, now Director of the DMSO Research Center, say on > the > broadcast, " . . the toxicity of DMSO is very low. It's not true that it is > dangerous. Compared to aspirin, DMSO is a much safer drug. People are > killed > taking aspirin; no one has ever been killed taking DMSO. " > > The program host, Hartman, asked, " If this is the case and you are so > sold on it, why has the FDA not approved its use? " > > " In 1964, the FDA complained bitterly about DMSO because it was both a > commercial solvent and a drug, " replied Herschler. " They could not control > it. Beyond that, we had a meeting with Francis Kelsey of the FDA where she > raised her hands and said, 'We simply cannot cope with a product like DMSO. > We envision hundreds of applications [NDA's] coming in, and we simply don't > have a budget or staff.' From then on they took a hard line against DMSO . > There are many controlled studies that prove it is both effective and safe. > And the FDA knows it! The FDA has at least 100,000 clinicals [patient > reports], and if they statistically evaluate them, and they have, and if > they try to prove it is not safe and effective, they simply cannot do it. > They have been using this gambit of 'double-blind'-being able to use the > 'double-blind' as the reason for rejecting it. " > > Herschler added that it is a situation of " bureaucratic Mickey Mouse " that > is keeping DMSO out of the hands of the people. > > Hartman's other television guest, J. Crout, M.D., Director of the > FDA's Bureau of Drugs, took exception to being aligned with Mickey Mouse. > " It's true that there's been quite a bit of initial inquiry-scientific > dabbling-certainly a lot of patients have used DMSO, " Dr. Crout said. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 I hope it helps you too , I know how pain effects us, and anything that you can do naturally is better than any drug. ________________________________ From: Cody <lecody2001@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:20 PM Subject: Re: Re: Advice on DSMO  Cain, Thanks for the advance info. I have the book coming, looking forward to reading it, and a jar of DMSO/AloeVera gel coming this weekend. Hope it helps. ________________________________ From: Cain Ltd <cainltd@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Tue, September 27, 2011 4:18:12 PM Subject: Re: Advice on DSMO In additional Russian research, DMSO was combined in a 1981 study with two drugs for their evaluation in the treatment of dry socket. The dry socket is an unhealed wound at the site of a tooth extraction, characterized by intense pain, discharge of pus, and sequestra. It is most often associated with a difficult extraction. DMSO acted as a synergistic penetrant for the two drugs, resulting in increased speed of healing.45 A German study has shown that women who applied DMSO topi-cally for a month were relieved of a painful breast condition, chronic cystic mastitis. Conditions of the urinary tract, unaffected by any other known medication, have responded to this medicine. In some cases, it has made it possible for men to resume sexual intercourse where pre-viously pain or urethral blockage made it impossible. DMSO speeds blood flow by causing vessels to dilate. South Ameri-can studies indicate it is effective in heart attacks or angina pectoris. It has been credited with preventing damage to heart muscle. There is a crying need for research on the use of massive doses of DMSO (2 gm. per kilogram body weight) in the treatment of heart attacks. Simply by soaking his patient's hands and forearms in the drug, Cleveland Clinic's former rheumatologist, Arthur L. Scherbel, M.D., had been having great success against scleroderma, also known as " hidebound disease, " in which the skin becomes thickened, hard, and rigid.46 More about the use of DMSO for scleroderma is found in Chapter 13. DMSO has a history similar to ether. Ether was known for 600 years before it was recognized as an anesthetic. Dimethyl sulfoxide waited on the laboratory shelf for nearly 100 years before it was learned that it had medicinal properties. Exhaustive tests to determine more therapeutic uses and possible toxicity or unknown side effects are continuing daily in both clinical trials and laboratory experiments. Reports on DMSO are continually funnelled into the University of Oregon central clearinghouse. New information and more journal references are being sought. What is recognized as toxicity or side effects needs recording and broadcastin to the scientific community, including the FDA. The following sect' sets down all the information about side effects and toxicity as th relate to DMSO. As you'll see, there aren't many, but research continuing under the watchful eye of the FDA. CHAPTER 5 The Toxicity and Side Effects of DMSO The ABC-TV program Good Morning America interviewed Her-schler, the co-discoverer of the pharmaceutical effects of DMSO, at 8:17 A.M., February 5, 1981. Viewers watched this chemist, a former em-ployee of the Crown Zellerbach Corporation, now Director of the DMSO Research Center, say on the broadcast, " . . the toxicity of DMSO is very low. It's not true that it is dangerous. Compared to aspirin, DMSO is a much safer drug. People are killed taking aspirin; no one has ever been killed taking DMSO. " The program host, Hartman, asked, " If this is the case and you are so sold on it, why has the FDA not approved its use? " " In 1964, the FDA complained bitterly about DMSO because it was both a commercial solvent and a drug, " replied Herschler. " They could not control it. Beyond that, we had a meeting with Francis Kelsey of the FDA where she raised her hands and said, 'We simply cannot cope with a product like DMSO. We envision hundreds of applications [NDA's] coming in, and we simply don't have a budget or staff.' From then on they took a hard line against DMSO . There are many controlled studies that prove it is both effective and safe. And the FDA knows it! The FDA has at least 100,000 clinicals [patient reports], and if they statistically evaluate them, and they have, and if they try to prove it is not safe and effective, they simply cannot do it. They have been using this gambit of 'double-blind'-being able to use the 'double-blind' as the reason for rejecting it. " Herschler added that it is a situation of " bureaucratic Mickey Mouse " that is keeping DMSO out of the hands of the people. Hartman's other television guest, J. Crout, M.D., Director of the FDA's Bureau of Drugs, took exception to being aligned with Mickey Mouse. " It's true that there's been quite a bit of initial inquiry-scientific dabbling-certainly a lot of patients have used DMSO, " Dr. Crout said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Especially since the Doctors in this state hate to prescribe pain medications, which is probably a good thing, but still... I learned that lesson when I was told no more Advil... and it was a good thing I stopped those. They actually were making the pain worse. But that is what happens to me. A drug works fine for a time, then stops working and makes whatever I was taking the drug for even worse. So now, I am down 4 scripts, one only as needed [less and less often] , another I will stop in a few weeks, one I would like to stop, but that will depend on the MSM and DMSO, and one I will probably never get off. So if I manage to get down to one, I will be happy. ________________________________ From: Gragg <librascorpiomoon@...> " Coconut Oil " <Coconut Oil > Sent: Tue, September 27, 2011 6:43:04 PM Subject: Re: Re: Advice on DSMO I hope it helps you too , I know how pain effects us, and anything that you can do naturally is better than any drug. ________________________________ From: Cody <lecody2001@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:20 PM Subject: Re: Re: Advice on DSMO Cain, Thanks for the advance info. I have the book coming, looking forward to reading it, and a jar of DMSO/AloeVera gel coming this weekend. Hope it helps. ________________________________ From: Cain Ltd <cainltd@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Tue, September 27, 2011 4:18:12 PM Subject: Re: Advice on DSMO In additional Russian research, DMSO was combined in a 1981 study with two drugs for their evaluation in the treatment of dry socket. The dry socket is an unhealed wound at the site of a tooth extraction, characterized by intense pain, discharge of pus, and sequestra. It is most often associated with a difficult extraction. DMSO acted as a synergistic penetrant for the two drugs, resulting in increased speed of healing.45 A German study has shown that women who applied DMSO topi-cally for a month were relieved of a painful breast condition, chronic cystic mastitis. Conditions of the urinary tract, unaffected by any other known medication, have responded to this medicine. In some cases, it has made it possible for men to resume sexual intercourse where pre-viously pain or urethral blockage made it impossible. DMSO speeds blood flow by causing vessels to dilate. South Ameri-can studies indicate it is effective in heart attacks or angina pectoris. It has been credited with preventing damage to heart muscle. There is a crying need for research on the use of massive doses of DMSO (2 gm. per kilogram body weight) in the treatment of heart attacks. Simply by soaking his patient's hands and forearms in the drug, Cleveland Clinic's former rheumatologist, Arthur L. Scherbel, M.D., had been having great success against scleroderma, also known as " hidebound disease, " in which the skin becomes thickened, hard, and rigid.46 More about the use of DMSO for scleroderma is found in Chapter 13. DMSO has a history similar to ether. Ether was known for 600 years before it was recognized as an anesthetic. Dimethyl sulfoxide waited on the laboratory shelf for nearly 100 years before it was learned that it had medicinal properties. Exhaustive tests to determine more therapeutic uses and possible toxicity or unknown side effects are continuing daily in both clinical trials and laboratory experiments. Reports on DMSO are continually funnelled into the University of Oregon central clearinghouse. New information and more journal references are being sought. What is recognized as toxicity or side effects needs recording and broadcastin to the scientific community, including the FDA. The following sect' sets down all the information about side effects and toxicity as th relate to DMSO. As you'll see, there aren't many, but research continuing under the watchful eye of the FDA. CHAPTER 5 The Toxicity and Side Effects of DMSO The ABC-TV program Good Morning America interviewed Her-schler, the co-discoverer of the pharmaceutical effects of DMSO, at 8:17 A.M., February 5, 1981. Viewers watched this chemist, a former em-ployee of the Crown Zellerbach Corporation, now Director of the DMSO Research Center, say on the broadcast, " . . the toxicity of DMSO is very low. It's not true that it is dangerous. Compared to aspirin, DMSO is a much safer drug. People are killed taking aspirin; no one has ever been killed taking DMSO. " The program host, Hartman, asked, " If this is the case and you are so sold on it, why has the FDA not approved its use? " " In 1964, the FDA complained bitterly about DMSO because it was both a commercial solvent and a drug, " replied Herschler. " They could not control it. Beyond that, we had a meeting with Francis Kelsey of the FDA where she raised her hands and said, 'We simply cannot cope with a product like DMSO. We envision hundreds of applications [NDA's] coming in, and we simply don't have a budget or staff.' From then on they took a hard line against DMSO . There are many controlled studies that prove it is both effective and safe. And the FDA knows it! The FDA has at least 100,000 clinicals [patient reports], and if they statistically evaluate them, and they have, and if they try to prove it is not safe and effective, they simply cannot do it. They have been using this gambit of 'double-blind'-being able to use the 'double-blind' as the reason for rejecting it. " Herschler added that it is a situation of " bureaucratic Mickey Mouse " that is keeping DMSO out of the hands of the people. Hartman's other television guest, J. Crout, M.D., Director of the FDA's Bureau of Drugs, took exception to being aligned with Mickey Mouse. " It's true that there's been quite a bit of initial inquiry-scientific dabbling-certainly a lot of patients have used DMSO, " Dr. Crout said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 On 2011-09-27 6:55 PM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote: > But that is what happens to me. A drug works fine for a time, then stops > working and makes whatever I was taking the drug for even worse. Ummm... actually, that is how drugs work for *everyone*... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 For tendonitis I have recently been using the 70% Gel version without the Aloe. I first rub on castor oil. This is an old Edgar Caycee remedy for many ailments. He recommends heat applied to drive the oil in to the tissue. I next rub in the DMSO to carry the oil into the tissue. I don't need the aloe becasue the castor oil is a good moisterizer and why add in more that you need. I also experimented with liquid iodine(Lugols) added to the mix. I alternalte back and forth between adding it in or not. Some say topical iodine has heped heal tendonitis. > > Ok, been researching the DSMO a bit and am curious on what variety of the stuff > you guys recommend and how it should be used. I have looked around the county a > bit and haven't found it, but found quite a variety at Amazon.com. > If it matters what I want to use it for mostly, it would be joint pain. > > All info appreciated. > > ps the headache, regardless of the cause, be it MSM or my nephew is gone. > Nephew is still here, but the achy head is gone. Oh and the MSM really cut the > extra joint pain I get on rain days.. and we got at least 2 more rain days to > follow. > > C. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 Hi All: Just remember that DMSO, MSM's granddaddy, is much more difficult to work with for most things and even dangerous if you mess up. MSM, even in solution, is much more forgiving and works in almost identical ways without the drawbacks, plus it does not STINK! Cheers, Jim >Cain, Thanks for the advance info. I have the book coming, looking forward to reading it, and a jar of DMSO/AloeVera gel coming this weekend. Hope it helps. < Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 I intend to use the DMSO sparingly. I am up to 20 grams of MSM daily. I have a feeling its going to take months. C ________________________________ From: Huuman <huuman60@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Wed, September 28, 2011 3:26:29 PM Subject: Re: Advice on DSMO Hi All: Just remember that DMSO, MSM's granddaddy, is much more difficult to work with for most things and even dangerous if you mess up. MSM, even in solution, is much more forgiving and works in almost identical ways without the drawbacks, plus it does not STINK! Cheers, Jim >Cain, Thanks for the advance info. I have the book coming, looking forward to reading it, and a jar of DMSO/AloeVera gel coming this weekend. Hope it helps. < Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 - have you noticed any benefit yet to the MSM? any relief of pain or increase in energy etc? I'm still debating to try this w/ my dad. thx, Liz > > I intend to use the DMSO sparingly. I am up to 20 grams of MSM daily. I have a > feeling its going to take months. > > C > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Huuman <huuman60@...> > Coconut Oil > Sent: Wed, September 28, 2011 3:26:29 PM > Subject: Re: Advice on DSMO > > > Hi All: > > Just remember that DMSO, MSM's granddaddy, is much more difficult to > work with for most things and even dangerous if you mess up. MSM, even > in solution, is much more forgiving and works in almost identical ways > without the drawbacks, plus it does not STINK! > > Cheers, > Jim > > >Cain, > > Thanks for the advance info. I have the book coming, looking forward to > reading it, and a jar of DMSO/AloeVera gel coming this weekend. > > Hope it helps. > > < > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 Its been 3 weeks so far and I have noticed small improvements almost every day. The first thing you would notice with MSM is skin improvements since we shed and replace those cells so quickly, so softer skin is a good sign its working. My skin is softer! Last night, not too much pain in my hip. Slept well, up only once. I also tore my skin on my arm and have been applying MSM that I mixed with water and I am seeing an accelerated healing, the skin is softer and very little scabbing. If there ends up being no scar, I will really be impressed. Also made up a solution of MSM and using a nasal inhaler have been using it for sinuses. Best stuff ever I have to say. It seems to get up farther into the sinus cavities as the days pass and inflammation is reduced. I have a long way to go though and I am willing to stay with MSM for the long haul given the results so far. Just remember that long standing inflammation is usually deep and wide spread so it won't be quick. Energy, yes, a little more. Sleeping, a little less. Breathing, a bit better... but I don't expect overnight miracles and am happy for the small, but noticeable improvements. ________________________________ From: lizz7711 <lizz7711@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Thu, September 29, 2011 10:05:52 AM Subject: Re: Advice on DSMO - have you noticed any benefit yet to the MSM? any relief of pain or increase in energy etc? I'm still debating to try this w/ my dad. thx, Liz > > I intend to use the DMSO sparingly. I am up to 20 grams of MSM daily. I have >a > > feeling its going to take months. > > C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 On 2011-09-29 10:24 AM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote: > Last night, not too much pain in my hip. Slept well, up only once. I > also tore my skin on my arm and have been applying MSM that I mixed > with water and I am seeing an accelerated healing, the skin is softer > and very little scabbing. If there ends up being no scar, I will > really be impressed. Raw honey will not only accelerate healing and prevent scarring from surface wounds, it will also - over time (the larger/deeper the scar, the longer it can take), *eliminate* pre-existing scars, even old ones. A young woman in our office had a large/10 year old burn scar on her abdomen, and after I suggested this to her, about 3 months later, she was thanking me profusely because her 'ugly' (her words) scar was basically gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 Raw honey works. We even used it on a one inch bedsore my dad had recently, Manuka honey, you can get it at whole foods. The nurses were so amazed how quickly it healed that they are trying it on others. Liz > > Last night, not too much pain in my hip. Slept well, up only once. I > > also tore my skin on my arm and have been applying MSM that I mixed > > with water and I am seeing an accelerated healing, the skin is softer > > and very little scabbing. If there ends up being no scar, I will > > really be impressed. > > Raw honey will not only accelerate healing and prevent scarring from > surface wounds, it will also - over time (the larger/deeper the scar, > the longer it can take), *eliminate* pre-existing scars, even old ones. > > A young woman in our office had a large/10 year old burn scar on her > abdomen, and after I suggested this to her, about 3 months later, she > was thanking me profusely because her 'ugly' (her words) scar was > basically gone. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 , That's great that you having some good results...even small steps are great and i'm sure make a difference I just bought some MSM to try, and I'll see if I can work it in my Dad's regimen somehow...need to find the posts again on how to take it and how often etc. You said it caused you some headaches at first, right? So is it best to slowly increase dosage then? thanks, and I hope it keeps helping and your symptoms improve. Liz > > > > I intend to use the DMSO sparingly. I am up to 20 grams of MSM daily. I have > >a > > > > feeling its going to take months. > > > > C > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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