Probiotics

[Guest guest]

I take the probiotics as well as the Herbs and Multi-vitamins and I've seen

a big change.I don't get as tired and I feel they have helped support my

thyroid,which is underactive. When I've run out and gone back to my husbands

vitamins(my husband thinks ER4YT is a crock)I get constipated and my energy

isn't right.

[Guest guest]

<<has anyone had success taking the probiotics or Dr. D's multi vitamins?

wishing you all a healthy day/life!,,, >>

I take the Multi and Probiotics and like them both very much. I've also

been taking Dr. D'Adamo's Deflect (to undo the years of lectin damage) and

Catechol O (which gives me a noticeable lift in mood and energy).

[Guest guest]

It is, but eventually she has to come around.

Is she willing to avoid avoid starches/grains?

I do wonder sometimes - how much do some people have to suffer before

they finally realize that food has everything to do with your health?

What is her story?

Love

probiotics

Dear O's! ,, A good friend who is AB gets continuous bouts of staph

and

yeast infections... can't get her to follow the blood type diet,,

she

follows a kosher diet. Is there anything I can recommend to her? is

probiotics a

good idea ? she is starting to get skin lesions and could really

start

getting into trouble w/ her organs (says her husb. a dr. )

thanks much,,,

[Guest guest]

One of the most economical I have found that is good quality is NOW 4x6

Acidophilus. NOW has a couple different choices but I prefer the 4x6.

There are a couple others that are very good but a little more expensive;

UAS Labs - ProBio Plus

ReNewLife - FloraMor

All should be refrigerated. I like to do different brands anyway for the

variety of strains, any of which could be beneficial.

Kathy

Don <ironwood55@...> wrote:

Has anyone used any other probiotic other then PolyFLORA O?

I looked around the Internet a little bit and found some products

that have the same bacteria as PolyFLORA O but they all seemed to

have some other bacteria strains too. I found one place

CustomProbiotics.com that would custom blend the different bacteria

strains you selected and they had the same bacteria strains as in

PolyFLORA O available.

I like PolyFLORA O. I think it helps me and would like to take it

more often then I do but it is expensive. I would like to find a

more reasonably priced alternative.

I am open to suggestions.

Don

[Guest guest]

I thought it might be a good idea to get a variety of probiotic

strains until I reread the PolyFLORA Probiotic article in the NAP

Knowledge Base.

http://www.dadamo.com/napharm/store3/template2/probiotic.htm

Toward the bottom of the article it says: " ...some strains of

beneficial bacteria actually can have lectin-like hemagglutinin

activity directed against your blood type. "

Based on that I assume one should be careful what probiotic strains

are used. In addition to the two strains, Streptococcus thermophilus

and Lactobacillus rhamnosus, in PolyFLORA O I assume Acidophilus is

probably OK since Dr. D'Adamo lists that as being OK for diarrhea.

I found a probiotic product from NSI (Nutraceutical Sciences

Institute) that has Acidophilus, Streptococcus thermophilus,

Lactobacillus rhamnosus, and just a little bit of one additional

strain, L. Bulgaricus. Also the capsules are enteric coated so that

they will resist stomach acid and therefore the bacteria has a better

chance of getting to the intestines. I found the product for $9.95

for 100 capsules of over 5 Billion Microorganisms Per Capsule.

I may give these a try.

Don

> Has anyone used any other probiotic other then PolyFLORA O?

>

> I looked around the Internet a little bit and found some products

> that have the same bacteria as PolyFLORA O but they all seemed to

> have some other bacteria strains too. I found one place

> CustomProbiotics.com that would custom blend the different bacteria

> strains you selected and they had the same bacteria strains as in

> PolyFLORA O available.

>

> I like PolyFLORA O. I think it helps me and would like to take it

> more often then I do but it is expensive. I would like to find a

> more reasonably priced alternative.

>

> I am open to suggestions.

>

> Don

[Guest guest]

I just found that SwansonVitamins.com has a product called ProTravel

that has a small amount of Acidophilus, mostly Lactobacillus

rhamnosus, and some of the probiotic yeast Saccharomyces boulardii,

which is also in PolyFLORA O.

It is currently $8.39 for 90 capsules with 2.5 billion organisms per

capsule. It may be worth a try too.

Don

> I thought it might be a good idea to get a variety of probiotic

> strains until I reread the PolyFLORA Probiotic article in the NAP

> Knowledge Base.

>

> http://www.dadamo.com/napharm/store3/template2/probiotic.htm

>

> Toward the bottom of the article it says: " ...some strains of

> beneficial bacteria actually can have lectin-like hemagglutinin

> activity directed against your blood type. "

>

> Based on that I assume one should be careful what probiotic strains

> are used. In addition to the two strains, Streptococcus

thermophilus

> and Lactobacillus rhamnosus, in PolyFLORA O I assume Acidophilus is

> probably OK since Dr. D'Adamo lists that as being OK for diarrhea.

>

> I found a probiotic product from NSI (Nutraceutical Sciences

> Institute) that has Acidophilus, Streptococcus thermophilus,

> Lactobacillus rhamnosus, and just a little bit of one additional

> strain, L. Bulgaricus. Also the capsules are enteric coated so

that

> they will resist stomach acid and therefore the bacteria has a

better

> chance of getting to the intestines. I found the product for $9.95

> for 100 capsules of over 5 Billion Microorganisms Per Capsule.

>

> I may give these a try.

>

> Don

[Guest guest]

You will have to check for their O ns compatability but these are a couple of

my favorites that people have had good results with (all refrigerated)

ReNew Life - FloraMore

UAS Labs - ProBio Plus

NOW - 4x6 Acidophilus

KM

Bumpas <lindabumpas@...> wrote:

Are there any O nonsecretor friendly probiotics that are less expensive than Dr.

D's?

Thank you!

[Guest guest]

How can I tell if they are O non secretor compatible? Are there strains of good

bacteria that are bad for some people? Why does Dr. D have different

combinations for different types? Where can I find more information?

Thank you!

Re: Probiotics

You will have to check for their O ns compatability but these are a couple of

my favorites that people have had good results with (all refrigerated)

ReNew Life - FloraMore

UAS Labs - ProBio Plus

NOW - 4x6 Acidophilus

KM

Bumpas <lindabumpas@...> wrote:

Are there any O nonsecretor friendly probiotics that are less expensive than

Dr. D's?

Thank you!

[Guest guest]

,

LR4YT has a section on Probiotics on pages 107-108. The section on

Probiotics in the Encyclopedia is on pages 394-396. I have never read

anything indicating that non-secretors need to use different probiotic

strains then secretors.

There is also a Knowledge Base Article on the NAP website at

http://www.dadamo.com/napharm/store3/template2/probiotic.htm

Here is a section of that article that answers a couple of your questions.

" Why do we combine so many strains of good bacteria?

It is simple really, friendly bacteria work better when more of them are

combined together. There are actually hundreds of strains of bacteria in

your digestive system and the friendly bacteria actually operate as a team,

promoting the beneficial effects of each other. The term " Synergism " best

describes the interrelationship of friendly bacteria. They mutually support

each other by producing bacteriocidins and organic acids that they are

resistant to, but which decrease pathogenic bacteria. In fact, these

bacteriocidins are up to 1000X more active when combined then when they are

isolated. But even more importantly, health effects of one strain of

friendly bacteria are often not duplicated by other strains. So a more

complex mixture, combining more friendly strains of bacteria, translates

into more profound long-term health benefits.

What does blood type have to do with friendly bacteria?

There are two things actually.

First, your blood type antigens are actually prominent in your digestive

tract and, in about 80% of individuals (secretors), are also prominent in

the mucus that lines your digestive tract. Because of this, many of the

bacteria in your digestive tract actually use your blood type as a preferred

food supply. In fact, blood group specificity is common among intestinal

bacteria with almost 1/2 of strains tested showing some blood type A, B, or

O specificity. To give you an idea of the magnitude of the blood type

influence on intestinal microflora, it has been estimated that someone with

blood type B will have up to 50,000X more of some strains of friendly

bacteria than either blood type A or O individuals.

Second, some strains of beneficial bacteria actually can have lectin-like

hemagglutinin activity directed against your blood type. "

I found 2 probiotic products that might work as less expensive substitutes

for PolyFlora O. They each have some, but not all of the strains in

PolyFlora O. The second one has one strain that I do not know if it is good

for type Os or not. I also found one company that will do custom probiotic

blending. http://www.customprobiotics.com/index.htm I have not used any of

these.

Swanson Probiotics ProTravel

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?stor

eId=10001 & langId=-1 & catalogId=10051 & productId=12128

However, note that it has potato starch in it, which I assume is an avoid.

and

NSI Probiotic with Acidophilus, Rhamnosus, Thermophilus and Bulgaricus

http://www.vitacost.com/Store/Products/ProductDescription.cfm?SKUNumber=8350

03300532 & searchby=PN & SearchText=probiotic

Ingredient

Amount

US RDA

Bacterial Cultures

50 mg

*

L. Acidophilus Microorganisms

2.5 Billion**

*

L. Rhamnosus Microorganisms

2.25 Billion**

*

S. Thermophilus Microorganisms

0.23 Billion**

*

L. Bulgaricus Microorganisms

0.02 Billion**

*

Other ingredients: Ascorbic acid, magnesium stearate &

maltodextrin.

*Daily values not established.

**At time of manufacture.

Note that the NSI probiotic has maltodextrin in it, which is definitely an

avoid.

Don

Re: Probiotics

How can I tell if they are O non secretor compatible? Are there strains

of good bacteria that are bad for some people? Why does Dr. D have

different combinations for different types? Where can I find more

information?

Thank you!

Re: Probiotics

You will have to check for their O ns compatability but these are a

couple of my favorites that people have had good results with (all

refrigerated)

ReNew Life - FloraMore

UAS Labs - ProBio Plus

NOW - 4x6 Acidophilus

KM

Bumpas <lindabumpas@...> wrote:

Are there any O nonsecretor friendly probiotics that are less expensive

than Dr. D's?

Thank you!

[Guest guest]

I mostly try to avoid the bad fillers but I see too much benefit from using

probiotics to get too worried about a small amount of something incompatable

included.

The brands I gave you are very good quality, which is what I think is most

important.

Just monitor your response.

KM

Bumpas <lindabumpas@...> wrote:

How can I tell if they are O non secretor compatible? Are there strains of good

bacteria that are bad for some people? Why does Dr. D have different

combinations for different types? Where can I find more information?

Thank you!

[Guest guest]

Thank you for this info. It sounds like some strains of good bacteria are bad

for us. Does it say anywhere which ones? And what about lactobacilli when milk

is an avoid?

Re: Probiotics

You will have to check for their O ns compatability but these are a

couple of my favorites that people have had good results with (all

refrigerated)

ReNew Life - FloraMore

UAS Labs - ProBio Plus

NOW - 4x6 Acidophilus

KM

Bumpas <lindabumpas@...> wrote:

Are there any O nonsecretor friendly probiotics that are less expensive

than Dr. D's?

Thank you!

[Guest guest]

I have not seen any reference indicating which strains might be bad for each

blood type.

Don

Re: Probiotics

Thank you for this info. It sounds like some strains of good bacteria are

bad for us. Does it say anywhere which ones? And what about lactobacilli

when milk is an avoid?

[Guest guest]

I forgot to mention another probiotic product that might be a good choice

for a less expensive substitute for PolyFlora O. It has both of the

bacteria strains that are in PolyFlora O, but does not have the

Saccharomyces boulardii (yeast)strain. I have used one bottle of this

product.

Labs Multi-Probiotic 4000

Each Multi-Probiotic 4000 capsule contains over 4 billion (4000 x 1 million)

organisms in the following potencies:

Lactobacillus. acidophilus (DDS-1) ........ 1.15 Billion

L. Rhamnosus................................................ 1.15 Billion

L. Rhamnosus (Type B, Bifidus).................. 775 Million

Bifidobacterium lactis................................... 275 Million

Bifidobacterium longum............................... 275 Million

B. Bifidum...................................................... 275 Million

Streptococcus thermophilus ......................... 150 Million

In a base of FOS (fructooligosaccharides), special carbohydrates, enzymes

and ulmus fulva (Slippery elm)

It might be worth finding out from Labs what the special

carbohydrates are just in case it is an avoid.

I found, mainly in LR4YT, the following probiotic strains recommended for

different Type O conditions, so I assume they would be OK to use all the

time.

PolyFLORA O

Lactobacillus rhamnosus

Streptococcus thermophilus

Saccharomyces boulardii (yeast)

Diarrhea

Lactobacillus Acidophilus

Ulcer/H. pylori

Bifidobacteria

B. bifudus

B. breve

B. infantis

Candida

Lactobacillus Acidophilus

Lactobacillus reuteri

Lactobacillus casei

Don

Re: Probiotics

Thank you for this info. It sounds like some strains of good bacteria are

bad for us. Does it say anywhere which ones? And what about lactobacilli

when milk is an avoid?

Re: Probiotics

How can I tell if they are O non secretor compatible? Are there

strains

of good bacteria that are bad for some people? Why does Dr. D have

different combinations for different types? Where can I find more

information?

Thank you!

[Guest guest]

Here is a good price on Labs Multi-Probiotic 4000

http://www.myvitanet.com/mul40100capd.html

Don

RE: Probiotics

I forgot to mention another probiotic product that might be a good choice

for a less expensive substitute for PolyFlora O. It has both of the

bacteria strains that are in PolyFlora O, but does not have the

Saccharomyces boulardii (yeast)strain. I have used one bottle of this

product.

Labs Multi-Probiotic 4000

Each Multi-Probiotic 4000 capsule contains over 4 billion (4000 x 1

million)

organisms in the following potencies:

Lactobacillus. acidophilus (DDS-1) ........ 1.15 Billion

L. Rhamnosus................................................ 1.15 Billion

L. Rhamnosus (Type B, Bifidus).................. 775 Million

Bifidobacterium lactis................................... 275 Million

Bifidobacterium longum............................... 275 Million

B. Bifidum...................................................... 275

Million

Streptococcus thermophilus ......................... 150 Million

In a base of FOS (fructooligosaccharides), special carbohydrates, enzymes

and ulmus fulva (Slippery elm)

It might be worth finding out from Labs what the special

carbohydrates are just in case it is an avoid.

Don

[Guest guest]

You could also purchase some Labs Saccharomyces boulardii (yeast)

and maybe some extra FOS powder, and Larch Arabinogalactan powder, at the

same site to come up with a combination that when taken together with the

Multi-Probiotic 4000 product would be fairly close to PolyFlora O. The

prices on these items all appear to be very good at this site.

http://www.myvitanet.com/sbcsacboulca.html

http://www.myvitanet.com/fospow4ozdou.html

http://www.myvitanet.com/arpo100grfos.html

Saccharomyces boulardii info:

A probiotic, non-colonizing yeast species closely related to Brewer's yeast

and not related to the yeast group to which Candida belongs. It

aggressively displaces problematic yeast species in the GI tract and has

been used in Europe to prevent post antibiotic diarrhea. Saccharomyces

boulardii taken orally produces lactic acid and some B vitamins as it

becomes established and crowds out the unfriendly strains of yeast. It is

then eliminated after supplementation is stopped. During use, friendly

probiotic bacteria are allowed to colonize in the GI tract supporting

micro-ecology. Saccharomyces boulardii has been shown to increase levels of

secretory IgA and research has shown it to be effective against specific

unfriendly microbes.

You can read more about Saccharomyces boulardii at:

http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/products/probiotics/saccharomyces/Saccharomyces_C

_60_Spec240.html

Don

RE: Probiotics

I forgot to mention another probiotic product that might be a good

choice

for a less expensive substitute for PolyFlora O. It has both of the

bacteria strains that are in PolyFlora O, but does not have the

Saccharomyces boulardii (yeast)strain. I have used one bottle of this

product.

Labs Multi-Probiotic 4000

Each Multi-Probiotic 4000 capsule contains over 4 billion (4000 x 1

million)

organisms in the following potencies:

Lactobacillus. acidophilus (DDS-1) ........ 1.15 Billion

L. Rhamnosus................................................ 1.15

Billion

L. Rhamnosus (Type B, Bifidus).................. 775 Million

Bifidobacterium lactis................................... 275 Million

Bifidobacterium longum............................... 275 Million

B. Bifidum...................................................... 275

Million

Streptococcus thermophilus ......................... 150 Million

In a base of FOS (fructooligosaccharides), special carbohydrates,

enzymes

and ulmus fulva (Slippery elm)

It might be worth finding out from Labs what the special

carbohydrates are just in case it is an avoid.

Don

[Guest guest]

Yes, it is good for type Os. It is found in lots of veggies including

onions, garlic, J. artichokes, chicory root, bananas, etc.

Don

Re: Probiotics

If fructose is an avoid, can FOS (fructooligosaccharides) be good for us?

RE: Probiotics

I forgot to mention another probiotic product that might be a good

choice

for a less expensive substitute for PolyFlora O. It has both of the

bacteria strains that are in PolyFlora O, but does not have the

Saccharomyces boulardii (yeast)strain. I have used one bottle of this

product.

Labs Multi-Probiotic 4000

Each Multi-Probiotic 4000 capsule contains over 4 billion (4000 x 1

million)

organisms in the following potencies:

Lactobacillus. acidophilus (DDS-1) ........ 1.15 Billion

L. Rhamnosus................................................ 1.15

Billion

L. Rhamnosus (Type B, Bifidus).................. 775 Million

Bifidobacterium lactis................................... 275 Million

Bifidobacterium longum............................... 275 Million

B. Bifidum...................................................... 275

Million

Streptococcus thermophilus ......................... 150 Million

In a base of FOS (fructooligosaccharides), special carbohydrates,

enzymes

and ulmus fulva (Slippery elm)

It might be worth finding out from Labs what the special

carbohydrates are just in case it is an avoid.

Don

[Guest guest]

Where are you getting your information?

RE: Probiotics

I forgot to mention another probiotic product that might be a good

choice

for a less expensive substitute for PolyFlora O. It has both of the

bacteria strains that are in PolyFlora O, but does not have the

Saccharomyces boulardii (yeast)strain. I have used one bottle of this

product.

Labs Multi-Probiotic 4000

Each Multi-Probiotic 4000 capsule contains over 4 billion (4000 x 1

million)

organisms in the following potencies:

Lactobacillus. acidophilus (DDS-1) ........ 1.15 Billion

L. Rhamnosus................................................ 1.15

Billion

L. Rhamnosus (Type B, Bifidus).................. 775 Million

Bifidobacterium lactis................................... 275 Million

Bifidobacterium longum............................... 275 Million

B. Bifidum...................................................... 275

Million

Streptococcus thermophilus ......................... 150 Million

In a base of FOS (fructooligosaccharides), special carbohydrates,

enzymes

and ulmus fulva (Slippery elm)

It might be worth finding out from Labs what the special

carbohydrates are just in case it is an avoid.

Don

[Guest guest]

Fructose has nothing to do with FOS.

Bumpas <lindabumpas@...> wrote:Where are you getting your

information?

RE: Probiotics

I forgot to mention another probiotic product that might be a good

choice

for a less expensive substitute for PolyFlora O. It has both of the

bacteria strains that are in PolyFlora O, but does not have the

Saccharomyces boulardii (yeast)strain. I have used one bottle of this

product.

Labs Multi-Probiotic 4000

Each Multi-Probiotic 4000 capsule contains over 4 billion (4000 x 1

million)

organisms in the following potencies:

Lactobacillus. acidophilus (DDS-1) ........ 1.15 Billion

L. Rhamnosus................................................ 1.15

Billion

L. Rhamnosus (Type B, Bifidus).................. 775 Million

Bifidobacterium lactis................................... 275 Million

Bifidobacterium longum............................... 275 Million

B. Bifidum...................................................... 275

Million

Streptococcus thermophilus ......................... 150 Million

In a base of FOS (fructooligosaccharides), special carbohydrates,

enzymes

and ulmus fulva (Slippery elm)

It might be worth finding out from Labs what the special

carbohydrates are just in case it is an avoid.

Don

[Guest guest]

Then what is FOS?

RE: Probiotics

I forgot to mention another probiotic product that might be a good

choice

for a less expensive substitute for PolyFlora O. It has both of the

bacteria strains that are in PolyFlora O, but does not have the

Saccharomyces boulardii (yeast)strain. I have used one bottle of this

product.

Labs Multi-Probiotic 4000

Each Multi-Probiotic 4000 capsule contains over 4 billion (4000 x 1

million)

organisms in the following potencies:

Lactobacillus. acidophilus (DDS-1) ........ 1.15 Billion

L. Rhamnosus................................................ 1.15

Billion

L. Rhamnosus (Type B, Bifidus).................. 775 Million

Bifidobacterium lactis................................... 275 Million

Bifidobacterium longum............................... 275 Million

B. Bifidum...................................................... 275

Million

Streptococcus thermophilus ......................... 150 Million

In a base of FOS (fructooligosaccharides), special carbohydrates,

enzymes

and ulmus fulva (Slippery elm)

It might be worth finding out from Labs what the special

carbohydrates are just in case it is an avoid.

Don

[Guest guest]

http://www.integratedhealth.com/infoabstract/fosab.html

for some technical information

;-)

RE: Probiotics

>

>

> I forgot to mention another probiotic product that might be a

> good

> choice

> for a less expensive substitute for PolyFlora O. It has both of

> the

> bacteria strains that are in PolyFlora O, but does not have the

> Saccharomyces boulardii (yeast)strain. I have used one bottle of

> this

> product.

>

> Labs Multi-Probiotic 4000

>

> Each Multi-Probiotic 4000 capsule contains over 4 billion (4000 x

> 1

> million)

> organisms in the following potencies:

> Lactobacillus. acidophilus (DDS-1) ........ 1.15 Billion

> L. Rhamnosus................................................ 1.15

> Billion

> L. Rhamnosus (Type B, Bifidus).................. 775 Million

> Bifidobacterium lactis................................... 275

> Million

> Bifidobacterium longum............................... 275 Million

> B. Bifidum......................................................

> 275

> Million

> Streptococcus thermophilus ......................... 150 Million

>

> In a base of FOS (fructooligosaccharides), special carbohydrates,

> enzymes

> and ulmus fulva (Slippery elm)

>

> It might be worth finding out from Labs what the special

> carbohydrates are just in case it is an avoid.

>

>

> Don

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Bumpas <lindabumpas@...> wrote:

> Then what is FOS?

Hi,

FOS is used a lot in feline and canine nutrition research as well which

is where I know it from. It is a naturlaly occurring carbohydrate - a

saccharide - but because we do not have the enzymes in the gut to digest

it, it acts more like a fiber than a sugar and is fermented by some

beneficial kinds of gut bacteria. Studies in humans show FOS is not very

actively fermented in the small intestine but is almost fully fermented

in the large intestine.

In cats it is not a nice " fiber " to use. It ferments too much and causes

gas explosion stools.

I did not like it as a fiber for myself either, I find rice bran works

well and it's also what works best in cats. That and beet fiber.

(People keep accusing me of morphing into a cat :-))

But maybe it works for some.

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

Where do you get rice bran and beet fiber?

Re: Probiotics

> Bumpas <lindabumpas@...> wrote:

> Then what is FOS?

Hi,

FOS is used a lot in feline and canine nutrition research as well which

is where I know it from. It is a naturlaly occurring carbohydrate - a

saccharide - but because we do not have the enzymes in the gut to digest

it, it acts more like a fiber than a sugar and is fermented by some

beneficial kinds of gut bacteria. Studies in humans show FOS is not very

actively fermented in the small intestine but is almost fully fermented

in the large intestine.

In cats it is not a nice " fiber " to use. It ferments too much and causes

gas explosion stools.

I did not like it as a fiber for myself either, I find rice bran works

well and it's also what works best in cats. That and beet fiber.

(People keep accusing me of morphing into a cat :-))

But maybe it works for some.

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

Bumpas wrote:

> Where do you get rice bran and beet fiber?

Rice bran at a health food store - and some " nutrition " sections of food

stores like FredMeyer. Ener-G brand is one good one.

Beet fiber not so easy.

......Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

What about the new yogurt type probiotics? Do they

work just as well? Activia, etc.

Michele

--- Jane Marino <janesmarino@...> wrote:

> ,

>

> Your pharmacist is more than likely not going to

> be able to recommend a good probiotic for you. Your

> best bet is to go to a vitamin or health store and

> ask for assistance there. They can help you select

> a good brand. Make sure you get a brand that is

> refrigerated and then keep the capsules refrigerated

> at home once you buy them.

>

> Hope this helps.

> Jane

>

> <soniarobins@...> wrote:

> Jane thankyou so much for that

> information, I had no idea that I should be taking a

> probiotic with it. It also explains a few other

> ‘yeast related’ problems I’ve been experiencing.

>

> I’ll see my pharmacist in the morning and see what

> he can recommend in the way of probiotics.

>

> As a teacher you really do need your energy, been

> there myself.

>

> Thanks again

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

> From: samters

> [mailto:samters ] On Behalf Of Jane

> Marino

> Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2007 4:11 PM

> samters

> Subject: RE: Hi everybody,

>

>

> ,

>

>

>

> I feel the fatigue and lack of energy is

> definitely related to Prednisone. I feel the same

> way whe I take it. Make sure you are taking a good

> Probiotic supplement with it if you can. Prednisone

> can cause yeast overgrowth in the body which is

> famous for causing fatigue.

>

>

>

> I seldom take Prednison unless I absolutely have

> to. I am a teacher and I just can't deal with the

> lack of energy I experience while on Prednisone.

>

>

>

> Good luck to you.

>

> Jane

>

> <soniarobins@...> wrote:

>

> Yes I have a slight hearing problem I’m

> sure. Ask anyone in my family and they’ll tell you.

> I’ve had polyps since my first surgery in 1979 and

> have had about six surgeries so far but the

> medication I’m on at present is a huge help plus I’m

> on daily prednisone. A problem I have though is

> that I’m terribly tired a lot of the time and have

> no energy.

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

> From: samters

> [mailto:samters ] On Behalf Of Jane

> Marino

> Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2007 3:39 PM

> samters

> Subject: Re: Hi everybody,

>

>

> I really am in need of understanding

> here. I have just come from my ENT tonight. I had

> an audiology exam because I've been aware for awhile

> that I am having issues with my hearing. It turns

> out that I do have significant hearing loss that is

> due to a structural problem with my eardrums.

> Apparently, my eardrums are inverted, pulling in the

> opposite way they should. My doctor says that this

> is a common problem with someone who has had a

> lifetime of polyps and polyp surgeries.

>

>

> Has anyone else experienced such an issue with

> their hearing? Does it improve as the sinuses

> improve?

>

>

> Jane

>

> Drouin Anne <anne_drouin@...> wrote:

>

>

> Dear

>

>

> Indeed your surgery story sounds very

> familiar.

>

>

> For the ears, I was able to cure my own

> problem with an otologist who injects kenacort into

> my eardrum through the drains I have in place.

>

>

> She rarely does that although she has a long

> experience with ear issues here in Switzerland at

> the otology department of the

>

>

> university hospital of Geneva.

>

>

> Other ENT often raise eyebrows as they are not

> familiar with this practice.

>

>

> It stoppes my becoming deaf very rapidly after

> more than 2 years of nearly hearing nothing and

> before I was just about to undertake a surgery to

> have an ear implant.

>

>

> Good luck

>

>

> Anne

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi everybody,

>

> I have been following the messages of this

> group already for some time

> now but have hesitated to write my own note before.

> The reason to this

> is that even though I was extremely happy to find

> people/a group that

> actually knew and had experienced Samters themselves

> (because then I

> didn't feel so alone with it anymore), I also was

> very sad and angry,

> too, to not have been able to find you earlier than

> now. My sorrow and

> anger, of course, is not your fault, but instead is

> due to the fact

> that in Finland, where I live, it seems that no one

> has known about

> Samters. I have suffered of Samters for more than 25

> years by now, but

> it was not until this fall that I finally heard the

> name Samter's

> Triad and got my diagnosis right. I have had closer

> to 20 sinus etc.

> surgeries (e.g. Caldwell-Luc l.a., several

> ethmoidectomies, more than

> enough of polypectomies, FESS:es and tympanostomies.

> Finally last

> summer my right ear stopped working and became

> deaf.)

>

> Now the doctors are finally planning the

> Aspirin-desensitiza tion for

> me - hopefully I will get it and hopefully it does

> stop the disease

> from getting any worse. My medication right now is

> Singulair and

> Roxithromycin, both I'm taking one twice a day,

> Symbicort, Flixonase

> and Betaserc for the ringing ear. Cortecosteroids I

> can't take any

> more, because I developed osteoporosis - and that is

> being treated

> with Fosamax and Ideos).

>

> Anyway, I'm glad that you all have found your way to

> this

>

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They absolutely help. However, for them to really have a positive on-going impact, you would need to eat them daily and maybe even a couple times a day. Taking a probiotic capsule (acidophilus) would give you millions of times greater the amount of the helpful bacteria we need to fight the effects of the harmful bacteria we get from Prednisone or antibiotics. For those of us with Samters, this is an on-going battle. Janemichele <truekindandhappy@...> wrote: What about the new yogurt type probiotics?

Do theywork just as well? Activia, etc.Michele--- Jane Marino <janesmarino > wrote:> ,> > Your pharmacist is more than likely not going to> be able to recommend a good probiotic for you. Your> best bet is to go to a vitamin or health store and> ask for assistance there. They can help you select> a good brand. Make sure you get a brand that is> refrigerated and then keep the capsules refrigerated> at home once you buy them.> > Hope this helps.> Jane> > <soniarobinstsn (DOT) cc> wrote:> Jane thankyou so much for that> information, I had no idea that I should be taking a> probiotic with it. It also explains a few other> ‘yeast related’ problems I’ve been experiencing.> > I’ll see my pharmacist in

the morning and see what> he can recommend in the way of probiotics.> > As a teacher you really do need your energy, been> there myself. > > Thanks again> > > > > ---------------------------------> > From: samters > [mailto:samters ] On Behalf Of Jane> Marino> Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2007 4:11 PM> samters > Subject: RE: Hi everybody,> > > ,> > > > I feel the fatigue and lack of energy is> definitely related to Prednisone. I feel the same> way whe I take it. Make sure you are taking a good> Probiotic supplement with it if you can.

Prednisone> can cause yeast overgrowth in the body which is> famous for causing fatigue.> > > > I seldom take Prednison unless I absolutely have> to. I am a teacher and I just can't deal with the> lack of energy I experience while on Prednisone.> > > > Good luck to you.> > Jane> > <soniarobinstsn (DOT) cc> wrote:> > Yes I have a slight hearing problem I’m> sure. Ask anyone in my family and they’ll tell you. > I’ve had polyps since my first surgery in 1979 and> have had about six surgeries so far but the> medication I’m on at present is a huge help plus I’m> on daily prednisone. A problem I have though is> that I’m terribly tired a lot of the time and have> no energy. > > > > >

---------------------------------> > From: samters > [mailto:samters ] On Behalf Of Jane> Marino> Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2007 3:39 PM> samters > Subject: Re: Hi everybody,> > > I really am in need of understanding> here. I have just come from my ENT tonight. I had> an audiology exam because I've been aware for awhile> that I am having issues with my hearing. It turns> out that I do have significant hearing loss that is> due to a structural problem with my eardrums. > Apparently, my eardrums are inverted, pulling in the> opposite way they should. My doctor says that this> is a common problem with someone who has had

a> lifetime of polyps and polyp surgeries.> > > Has anyone else experienced such an issue with> their hearing? Does it improve as the sinuses> improve?> > > Jane> > Drouin Anne <anne_drouin > wrote:> > > Dear > > > Indeed your surgery story sounds very> familiar.> > > For the ears, I was able to cure my own> problem with an otologist who injects kenacort into> my eardrum through the drains I have in place.> > > She rarely does that although she has a long> experience with ear issues here in Switzerland at> the otology department of the> > > university hospital of Geneva.> > > Other ENT often raise eyebrows as they are not> familiar with this practice.>

> > It stoppes my becoming deaf very rapidly after> more than 2 years of nearly hearing nothing and> before I was just about to undertake a surgery to> have an ear implant.> > > Good luck> > > Anne> > > > > > > > Hi everybody,> > I have been following the messages of this> group already for some time> now but have hesitated to write my own note before.> The reason to this> is that even though I was extremely happy to find> people/a group that> actually knew and had experienced Samters

themselves> (because then I> didn't feel so alone with it anymore), I also was> very sad and angry,> too, to not have been able to find you earlier than> now. My sorrow and> anger, of course, is not your fault, but instead is> due to the fact> that in Finland, where I live, it seems that no one> has known about> Samters. I have suffered of Samters for more than 25> years by now, but> it was not until this fall that I finally heard the> name Samter's> Triad and got my diagnosis right. I have had closer> to 20 sinus etc.> surgeries (e.g. Caldwell-Luc l.a., several> ethmoidectomies, more than> enough of polypectomies, FESS:es and tympanostomies.> Finally last> summer my right ear stopped working and became> deaf.)> > Now the doctors are finally planning the> Aspirin-desensitiza tion for> me - hopefully I

will get it and hopefully it does> stop the disease> from getting any worse. My medication right now is> Singulair and> Roxithromycin, both I'm taking one twice a day,> Symbicort, Flixonase> and Betaserc for the ringing ear. Cortecosteroids I> can't take any> more, because I developed osteoporosis - and that is> being treated> with Fosamax and Ideos).> > Anyway, I'm glad that you all have found your way to> this> === message truncated ===__________________________________________________________Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make your homepage.http://www./r/hs

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