Re: creepy crawlys

September 3, 2011

, post herpetic neuralgia has been treated with ozone. I think it's

mainly given as an injection alongside the nerve branch, but one may improve

healing also with ozonated olive oil topical. One place you can get it (Nature's

Gift): Sherri-Lee Pressman.

http://aloeessence.com

>

> Recently I posted being healed from shingles by using a new product called

monolaurin(which is extracted from coconut milk) and vit c. Many fellow members

very graciously sent their methods (I love this board)

> But now I need your help again. The shingles were located around the left eye

,forehead and top of left head. Everywhere there was a outbreak there is now a

sensation of creepy crawlers moving under the skin causing a intense itching. It

is driving me crazy as the head is so sore from me trying to scratch an itch

that isnt there.

> thanks

> mike

>

September 3, 2011

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From: Cain Ltd [mailto:Cainltd@...]

Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 5:47 PM

'michaelinde@...'

Subject: Re: creepy crawlys

Two rolling teaspoons full of MSM powder or granules in 5 or 6 ounces of

warm water .

This will do away with the itch and creepy crawl feeling, also excellent for

the eyes. I

had many customers with this problem over the years and this is the only

thing that works,

that I know of. Cain

P>S> Do not use MSM from opening capsules, purchase Pharmaceutical Grade MSM

99.99%pure.

Capsules contain fillers detrimental to eyes. Cain

September 3, 2011

Thank Cain I sure will give it a go

mike

September 3, 2011

Thanks Duncan , I will also try this. This feeling of scratching an itch that

isnt there has got to go

mike

September 24, 2011

This thing works (smile)

second day over ninety five percent of itching gone

Week later comes in spurts or just every now and then but with a less intensity

..(great big smile)

A big plus loss of appetite or food cravings.

Lungs are able to breathe deeply again

Cain you are a lifesaver

thanks

mike

September 24, 2011

What did I miss; what did you do?? Is this regarding MSM??

Judy

On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 10:20 AM, michaelinde <michaelinde@...> wrote:

> **

>

> This thing works (smile)

>

> second day over ninety five percent of itching gone

>

> Week later comes in spurts or just every now and then but with a less

> intensity .(great big smile)

>

> A big plus loss of appetite or food cravings.

>

> Lungs are able to breathe deeply again

>

> Cain you are a lifesaver

> thanks

> mike

>

September 24, 2011

Yes, Its about MSM...

C.

________________________________

From: J Trettel <gnp222@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Sat, September 24, 2011 2:14:54 PM

Subject: Re: FW: Re: creepy crawlys

What did I miss; what did you do?? Is this regarding MSM??

Judy

On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 10:20 AM, michaelinde <michaelinde@...> wrote:

> **

>

> This thing works (smile)

>

> second day over ninety five percent of itching gone

>

> Week later comes in spurts or just every now and then but with a less

> intensity .(great big smile)

>

> A big plus loss of appetite or food cravings.

>

> Lungs are able to breathe deeply again

>

> Cain you are a lifesaver

> thanks

> mike

>

September 25, 2011

Wow, this got my attention..

Is this for creepy crawly nerve agitation and body itching in general?

(please say yes!). I have had a growing problem and get itchy antsy and feel

nuts after just about anything I eat now, before it was some foods, but now

almost every one. Much worse itches and all these symptoms since taking evco,

in fact I'm on a break from it because it became way too intnse and intensified

that reaction..

So I'm just over 3 weeks off the evco right now.

Please elaborate or testimonials appreciated, I've been going nuts with this for

over a year and really bad after my last 1 month stint on the evco.

Do you think it has anything to do with slow phase 2 liver detox?

Thanks so much,

Tina

>

> _____

>

> From: Cain Ltd [mailto:Cainltd@...]

> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 5:47 PM

> 'michaelinde@...'

> Subject: Re: creepy crawlys

>

> Two rolling teaspoons full of MSM powder or granules in 5 or 6 ounces of

> warm water .

>

> This will do away with the itch and creepy crawl feeling, also excellent for

> the eyes. I

>

> had many customers with this problem over the years and this is the only

> thing that works,

>

> that I know of. Cain

>

> P>S> Do not use MSM from opening capsules, purchase Pharmaceutical Grade MSM

> 99.99%pure.

>

> Capsules contain fillers detrimental to eyes. Cain

>

September 25, 2011

Tina if you think your reaction may be from low phase II liver function, the

answer is to increase glutathione precursors in the diet. Glutathione is the

main phaseII detox molecule. There would be a big difference in probably less

than two days. Refer to the liver function chapter of The 7-Day Detox Miracle

for more info and food details:

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/liver_function.html

Glutathione also provides the sulfur=sulfur bond used to conjugate some toxins.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Wow, this got my attention..

> Is this for creepy crawly nerve agitation and body itching in general?

> (please say yes!). I have had a growing problem and get itchy antsy and feel

nuts after just about anything I eat now, before it was some foods, but now

almost every one. Much worse itches and all these symptoms since taking evco,

in fact I'm on a break from it because it became way too intnse and intensified

that reaction..

> So I'm just over 3 weeks off the evco right now.

> Please elaborate or testimonials appreciated, I've been going nuts with this

for over a year and really bad after my last 1 month stint on the evco.

> Do you think it has anything to do with slow phase 2 liver detox?

> Thanks so much,

> Tina

September 25, 2011

-Yes Tina it was due to the aftereffects of having shingles on my face(left side

around the eye) I had been told by the specialist there was nothing that could

be done.I was constantly scratching an itch that wasnt there or trying to pull

my hair out to stop the sensation of some bugs crawling under my skin.

Iam taking over two tablespoons of msm a day and am increasing it just to see

what happens

i don know Cains background but it must be impressive,wish he would post

more(smile)

mike

September 25, 2011

Thanks Duncan, I am not sure but I know that since using evco to detox and heal

my body these reactions have worsened.. And I do have Gilberts which until now

I too thought was asymptomatic, but don't believe that anymore.. Also during

evco use and more Celtic salt and of course with a clean diet of only meat, good

fats and cooked vegetables, that those problems increased.. For the first time

in my life I have been getting abnormal kidney function tests,( though the sx

started before this) and I believe my bilirubin has been a bit higher (31) But

the itchy crawly title is what really caught my eye, as it sounds like the way I

feel all the time now!

I figured with the detoxing that my body was becoming way too overwhelmed, with

hives, picking and itching all over etc plus agitated itchy nerve feelings

internally.

Overwhelmed b/c of Gilberts I think one, causing a much slower release of

toxins..and therefore poisoning me in this way. - just my theory on how things

have gone with me.

But also Duncan I cannot find the start of this thread, it may have been in a

different post where the person described their itchy crawly problems, if you

know of it could you pass me the link - or better yet if those who were

discussing that topic could also add some comments to me please?

Thanks everyone, and Duncan for very sensitive individual with many allergies

now, could you recommend a good glutatione one to try? I believe I reacted with

lots of nervous agitation from glutamine, do you think it'll cause the same

distress? Now that you know I have Gilberts please advise all you like!

Appreciated very much,

Tina

> >

> > Wow, this got my attention..

> > Is this for creepy crawly nerve agitation and body itching in general?

> > (please say yes!). I have had a growing problem and get itchy antsy and feel

nuts after just about anything I eat now, before it was some foods, but now

almost every one. Much worse itches and all these symptoms since taking evco,

in fact I'm on a break from it because it became way too intnse and intensified

that reaction..

> > So I'm just over 3 weeks off the evco right now.

> > Please elaborate or testimonials appreciated, I've been going nuts with this

for over a year and really bad after my last 1 month stint on the evco.

> > Do you think it has anything to do with slow phase 2 liver detox?

> > Thanks so much,

> > Tina

>

September 25, 2011

Mike /Cain

Is it possible for you to elaborate on your type of itching situation, and even

lead me to the original conversation?

Did the itch erupt more from evco?

Is it all over the body etc?

I am trying to find answers and relief, cure.

Thanks,

Tina

>

> This thing works (smile)

>

> second day over ninety five percent of itching gone

>

> Week later comes in spurts or just every now and then but with a less

intensity .(great big smile)

>

> A big plus loss of appetite or food cravings.

>

> Lungs are able to breathe deeply again

>

> Cain you are a lifesaver

> thanks

> mike

>

September 25, 2011

Mike,

Do you also have the nerve pain of PHN? Is MSM helping with that too? Or have

you just had the itching that it's helped with? My Dad has had severe PHN for 5

years now..it's totally debilitating and the pain is nonstop excruciating...no

itching though. I'm glad this is helping you.

Liz

>

> -Yes Tina it was due to the aftereffects of having shingles on my face(left

side around the eye) I had been told by the specialist there was nothing that

could be done.I was constantly scratching an itch that wasnt there or trying to

pull my hair out to stop the sensation of some bugs crawling under my skin.

> Iam taking over two tablespoons of msm a day and am increasing it just to see

what happens

> i don know Cains background but it must be impressive,wish he would post

more(smile)

>

> mike

>

September 25, 2011

Tina, a diet of meat, fat and cooked vegetables is very low in glutathione

precursors, so it's no wonder you suspect that your phase II liver function,

which relies on glutathione, may be impaired.

I don't use salt at all in my diet except for casual exposure in processed food.

Yup, I snack a bit but I salt my food with potassium because it's very likely to

be deficient. Deficient potassium combined with high sodium salt is a

pre-disease condition; it's actually precancerous as well as being a

rhabdomyolysis risk.

I didn't follow the first part of the thread either. I appreciate a proper

diagnosis of symptoms because itchiness can be from a number of causes. But

since you mentioned " allegies " , consider that most peoples' sensitivites and

allergic responses that they weren't born with arise from bowel

dysbiosis/candida, a huge source of toxin load.

Toxin load, like any physical stressor, can make one agitated; this kind of

response is very common as one of the first indicators of physical stress.

I didn't suggest glutathione, I suggested glutathione precursors. A precursor is

a raw material that can be made into something else. The glutathione precursors

are plentiful in cold-processed whey and in 6 hour colostrum. You don't need

extra glutamine with undenatured whey as it contains a lot of it.

Inhibitors of Phase I Detoxification

http://www.gilbertssyndrome.com/detoxification.php

" Note: In general, inhibition of detoxification is not desired. In the case of

Gilbert's Syndrome, there is an exception to Phase 1 inhibitors, as at a certain

level it can allow Phase II detox to keep up with it. "

http://tuberose.com/Liver_Detoxification.html

Then I refer you again to the liver function chapter, which tells you which

foods can suppress phase I function and which can improve phase II to keep up

with it.

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/liver_function.html

all good,

Duncan

> > >

> > > Wow, this got my attention..

> > > Is this for creepy crawly nerve agitation and body itching in general?

> > > (please say yes!). I have had a growing problem and get itchy antsy and

feel nuts after just about anything I eat now, before it was some foods, but now

almost every one. Much worse itches and all these symptoms since taking evco,

in fact I'm on a break from it because it became way too intnse and intensified

that reaction..

> > > So I'm just over 3 weeks off the evco right now.

> > > Please elaborate or testimonials appreciated, I've been going nuts with

this for over a year and really bad after my last 1 month stint on the evco.

> > > Do you think it has anything to do with slow phase 2 liver detox?

> > > Thanks so much,

> > > Tina

> >

>

September 25, 2011

Liz

According to wiki

======================================================================

Postherpetic neuralgia (PHN) is a neuralgia caused by the varicella zoster

virus. Typically, the neuralgia is confined to a dermatomic area of the skin and

follows an outbreak of herpes zoster (HZ, commonly known as shingles) in that

same dermatomic area. The neuralgia typically begins when the HZ vesicles have

crusted over and begun to heal, but it can begin in the absence of HZ, in which

case zoster sine herpete is presumed (see Herpes zoster).

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Good news .

The method I used was to use a product called Monolaurin(which is extracted fro

vco

here is the description

-------------------------------------------------------------------

WHAT IS MONOLAURIN

Monolaurin is an anti-microbial agent that may protect the immune system from a

range of infectious agents. Monolaurin is a glyceride ester derivative of lauric

acid, a fatty acid found naturally in breast milk and certain vegetable oils.

This fatty acid has been used as a germicidal agent for centuries. Lauric acid

was originally discovered when microbiologists studied human breast milk to

determine the antiviral substances which protected infants from microbial

infections. It has been shown to protect newborns, whose immune systems are

underdeveloped, from Respiratory Syncytial Virus (RSV) and other respiratory

tract viruses (1, 2, 18). Monolaurin was found to have even greater viral

activity than lauric acid. Studies show that Monolaurin disintegrates the viral

envelope, killing the virus (3).

In studies performed at the Respiratory Virology Branch, Centers for Disease

Control, Atlanta, Georgia, Monolaurin was found effective against 14 human RNA

and DNA enveloped viruses in cell culture (3). These included influenza, RSV,

Rubeola, Newcastle's, Coronavirus, Herpes Simplex types 1 & 2, Epstein-Barr

Virus (EBV) and cytomegalovirus. (Monolaurin has no effect on naked viruses,

such as polio, encephalitis virus, coxsachie, or pox viruses.). Monolaurin

removed all measurable infectivity by disintegrating the virus envelope.

IS MONOLAURIN AN ANTIBIOTIC

No. Antibiotics kill unwanted micro-organisms, but they also kill many friendly

micro-organisms. Monolaurin, on the other hand, does not appear to have an

adverse effect on desirable digestive bacteria, but rather only on unwanted

microorganisms.

------------------------------------------------------------

I also used vit c every half hour according to the below link

http://www.orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v01n05.shtml

It took a couple of days to set in but the pain subsided so much so that within

a week I was off pain meds and three days later when back to work.

Duncan gave a very good explanation on the why it surfaced and I believe

monolaurin destroyed the virus cells.

long post hope it helps

mike

ps

my local health food store had the monolaurin

I was off pain meds

September 25, 2011

Btw My heart goes out to your dad that pain is something awful

mike

September 25, 2011

Hey Duncan thanks, do those precursors come in non dairy form? So many things I

cannot have, but yes most of my problems with foods now only came on in past

years, not from birth, Im 42 now. Would taking glutathione itself not help? I

can't even take b vits, they make me so wired and racing heart etc, which most

meds also do now, such as the claritin I used to take occasionally, but havent

now for a year bc of the heart racing and skipping that lasted two days starting

fifteen minutes after taking it the last time....very intolerant to so much now

and I need to fix this. I only suspect phase 2 bc I have been told for years I

have Gilberts and phase two is apparently the problem in those cases. Is there

also a second, third important. Nutrient or supplement you might recommend for

this? You say I'd see a difference in a couple of days, meaning with taking a

supplement for phase two help? Id love to see a difference in those tight wired

tense seize like and itchy feelings after eating.. Never been able to figure

out what is really doing it to me, but its gotten worse and got much worse after

every attempt with evco. Id take small daily amounts but never lasting more

than a month up to 1/4 tsp 2x a day the last time. Thanks again,

Tina

> > > >

> > > > Wow, this got my attention..

> > > > Is this for creepy crawly nerve agitation and body itching in general?

> > > > (please say yes!). I have had a growing problem and get itchy antsy and

feel nuts after just about anything I eat now, before it was some foods, but now

almost every one. Much worse itches and all these symptoms since taking evco,

in fact I'm on a break from it because it became way too intnse and intensified

that reaction..

> > > > So I'm just over 3 weeks off the evco right now.

> > > > Please elaborate or testimonials appreciated, I've been going nuts with

this for over a year and really bad after my last 1 month stint on the evco.

> > > > Do you think it has anything to do with slow phase 2 liver detox?

> > > > Thanks so much,

> > > > Tina

> > >

> >

>

September 26, 2011

thanks Mike, so glad it worked so well for you! I will look into it, but it

seems to be more for when the virus is active still...this is now 5 years later

so he just has scars from the shingles, and the never ending neuralgia. Still,

worth checking into, so thanks much!

Liz

>

> Liz

> According to wiki

> ======================================================================

> Postherpetic neuralgia (PHN) is a neuralgia caused by the varicella zoster

virus. Typically, the neuralgia is confined to a dermatomic area of the skin and

follows an outbreak of herpes zoster (HZ, commonly known as shingles) in that

same dermatomic area. The neuralgia typically begins when the HZ vesicles have

crusted over and begun to heal, but it can begin in the absence of HZ, in which

case zoster sine herpete is presumed (see Herpes zoster).

> -------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Good news .

> The method I used was to use a product called Monolaurin(which is extracted

fro vco

> here is the description

> -------------------------------------------------------------------

> WHAT IS MONOLAURIN

> Monolaurin is an anti-microbial agent that may protect the immune system from

a range of infectious agents. Monolaurin is a glyceride ester derivative of

lauric acid, a fatty acid found naturally in breast milk and certain vegetable

oils. This fatty acid has been used as a germicidal agent for centuries.

Lauric acid was originally discovered when microbiologists studied human breast

milk to determine the antiviral substances which protected infants from

microbial infections. It has been shown to protect newborns, whose immune

systems are underdeveloped, from Respiratory Syncytial Virus (RSV) and other

respiratory tract viruses (1, 2, 18). Monolaurin was found to have even greater

viral activity than lauric acid. Studies show that Monolaurin disintegrates the

viral envelope, killing the virus (3).

>

> In studies performed at the Respiratory Virology Branch, Centers for Disease

Control, Atlanta, Georgia, Monolaurin was found effective against 14 human RNA

and DNA enveloped viruses in cell culture (3). These included influenza, RSV,

Rubeola, Newcastle's, Coronavirus, Herpes Simplex types 1 & 2, Epstein-Barr

Virus (EBV) and cytomegalovirus. (Monolaurin has no effect on naked viruses,

such as polio, encephalitis virus, coxsachie, or pox viruses.). Monolaurin

removed all measurable infectivity by disintegrating the virus envelope.

>

> IS MONOLAURIN AN ANTIBIOTIC

> No. Antibiotics kill unwanted micro-organisms, but they also kill many

friendly micro-organisms. Monolaurin, on the other hand, does not appear to

have an adverse effect on desirable digestive bacteria, but rather only on

unwanted microorganisms.

> ------------------------------------------------------------

> I also used vit c every half hour according to the below link

>

> http://www.orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v01n05.shtml

>

> It took a couple of days to set in but the pain subsided so much so that

within a week I was off pain meds and three days later when back to work.

> Duncan gave a very good explanation on the why it surfaced and I believe

monolaurin destroyed the virus cells.

> long post hope it helps

> mike

> ps

> my local health food store had the monolaurin

> I was off pain meds

>

September 26, 2011

The glutathione precursors are bonded cysteine, or an amino acid cysteine bonded

to another amino acid as opposed to free form, which is toxic. Raw egg whites

are a good source but the dose would be roughly a kilo wet, perhaps 75 grams or

so dry if it's 13% solids, not unlike whey powder. For the glutathione increase

alone cystine is an option; it's cysteine bound to another cysteine. There are

foods listed in the liver function article that support or tweak glutathione

production; precursors must also be available for that production. SAM-e is a

precursor. Alpha-lipoic acid helps to more quickly recycle glutathione used by

the body so that can increase activity if not amount. N-acetylcysteine is a

toxin but even so, part of the dose creates glutathione.

Glutathione is broken down into its components in the digestive tract but if you

use enteric coated your bowel lining cells will get some of it, while liposomal

glutathione is said to enter the bloodstream and a couple of cell types can use

it directly if it does.

Acquired intolerances are usually diet-related and dysbioisis-related, and the

inulin, selenium and glutathione precursors will be core therapies.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Hey Duncan thanks, do those precursors come in non dairy form? So many things

I cannot have, but yes most of my problems with foods now only came on in past