Re: Re: Coconut Oil, Best Benefit (s)

[Guest guest]

On Mar 19, 2011, at 6:06 AM, wrote:

> Statins aren't an option for me, I would never take them. Thats me

> tho, and I don't deny they may be very good for some people.

What people, exactly? They are pure poison.

People think cholesterol is " bad " just like they think fevers are

" bad " during a routine illness. Both are there to HEAL the body.

Taking statins is like setting your house on fire, and when the

firefighters arrive, you shoot them.

[Guest guest]

On Mar 19, 2011, at 6:42 AM, wrote:

> If a person is incapable of exercise and doesn't want to make

> dietary or lifestyle changes then I would surmise they would be

> helpful and potentially life saving.

Those are the very last people who should be taking statins.

> One thing is for sure, heart disease statistics are significant and

> need to be addressed.

And cholesterol has absolutely nothing to do with heart disease, so

it cannot be addressed with statins.

[Guest guest]

On 2011-03-19 12:47 AM, crgstef wrote:

> Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...> wrote:

>>

>> On 3/18/2011 7:27 PM, wrote:

Ummm... Please get your quote attributions right - did not say

the below, I did.

>> Monitoring these numbers is a waste of time, energy and money. All doing

>> so is good for is for the drug companies to make money off of

>> cholesterol lowering drugs that do nothing but make you more unhealthy.

> Are not the ratios and total cholest. still important to compare?

No, they are not important in the slightest - except to doctors fronting

for pharmaceutical companies who want to make megabucks on people they

can con into thinking they do matter.

[Guest guest]

On 2011-03-19 9:06 AM, wrote:

> I am not a fan of cholesterol numbers. They are part of what docs look

> at when they do your bloods. It does amuse me that oat bran keeps mine

> in good shape. My doc who is over 20 years younger than I shakes his

> head when he looks at my bloods: he tells me mine are better than his.

> Statins aren't an option for me, I would never take them. Thats me tho,

> and I don't deny they may be very good for some people.

I do (deny that they would be good for some people). Statins are pure

poison.

[Guest guest]

On 2011-03-18 11:30 PM, It is me wrote:

> A natural source of vitamin D is found in Dandelions. Make a tea.

Carlsons - which is what I take (the 10,000iu gelcaps) and many others

are sourced from lanolin, which is also a natural source.

[Guest guest]

First, , I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to crgstef.

And that is precisely why getting quote attributions right is important.

Of course, it's also why understanding *what* they are is just as

important, so:

On 2011-03-19 11:17 AM, wrote:

> I have no idea what attributions you are talking about.

Look above... see the line that says:

" On 2011-03-19 11:17 AM, wrote: "

That is called the quote attribution... it is how you can determine who

said what in email list conversations that multiple people participate in.

When crgstef replied, he had your quote attribution above my comment,

which makes it look like you said what I said.

I don't really care - it's just that people who cannot quote properly in

mail list discussion is just one of my pet peeves.

[Guest guest]

You're right, Dee, and that wasn't my intention, if that's how it

came across. I was mostly taking umbrage with the assertion that

cholesterol leads to heart disease and therefore statins are good.

Regards,

On Mar 19, 2011, at 8:27 AM, Dolores wrote:

> ,

>

> I wouldn't fault for spreading the word about being able to

> raise his HDL cholesterol with coconut oil. Doesn't that help to

> dispel the myth that coconut oil is bad for the heart? Here is a

> reference that should please and (validate) you both:

>

> http://www.marlev.com/Cholesterol.htm

>

> All the Best,

> Dee

[Guest guest]

The real truth is what you say, .

Either way...we own the consequences...if we do nothing,... if we take an

alternative way,... if we take the silver bullet from big pharma,... we are

still the owner of the consequences...

d

From: <r_long@...>

Subject: Re: Coconut Oil, Best Benefit (s)

Coconut Oil

Date: Saturday, March 19, 2011, 11:41 AM

 

Thats been an ongoing debate that seems never ending. I let the experts

duke it out on that issue. I just won't consume statins. But thats for me and

its my decision. I own the consequences.

>

> > ,

> >

> > I wouldn't fault for spreading the word about being able to

> > raise his HDL cholesterol with coconut oil. Doesn't that help to

> > dispel the myth that coconut oil is bad for the heart? Here is a

> > reference that should please and (validate) you both:

> >

> > http://www.marlev.com/Cholesterol.htm

> >

> > All the Best,

> > Dee

>

[Guest guest]

On 3/19/2011 9:42 AM, wrote:

> I'm no expert. If a person is incapable of exercise

The only person incapable of exercise is someone who is totally paralyzed.

> and doesn't want to make dietary or lifestyle changes

I always get grief for saying this, but I have no sympathy fro anyone

who is unwilling to make dietary or lifestyle changes... they get the

exact amount of misery they deserve.

> then I would surmise they would be helpful and potentially life

> saving. Again, I am not a big fan of these options. I am not aware of

> their potential and can only hypothesize.

Sorry, what you are doing is not hypothesizing - that requires some

amount of logical deduction based on some limited amount of scientific

evidence.

What you are doing is called guessing... and doing it badly I would say.

> One thing is for sure, heart disease statistics are significant and

> need to be addressed.

Sure... stop eating garbage and start eating pure whole foods...

[Guest guest]

Wow. Good for you, Jim. But better vision; how did you accomplish that??

Judy

On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 11:29 PM, jim <huuman60@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi Crgstef:

>

> Dr. Mercola thinks that there is some significance to this, but as you

> can plainly see, most people here do not. My own favorite reference,

> The Weston A. Price Foundation really does not agree with Mercola.

>

> Personally, I am 69 and have not had a blood test in about twenty

> years. I will not let a doctor probe my body cavities and stick needles

> in me so that he can recommend a useless radioactive stress test (or

> worse)... did that once. You can fool me once... you know how it goes.

>

> Today, I have no clue what my LDLor HDL ratio is and like the others

> here, I don't care to know. My emphasis is on avoiding disease, not

> covering up the symptoms (markers) that lead to it. What I do know is

> that I feel better than I can remember ever feeling. I have great long

> term memory, better vision than I had in High School, hearing from 20

> hz to 20 khz, and I take no drugs... ever.

>

> As far as I am concerned today's allopaths are idiots that can't see

> past the pharmaceutical recommendations that they are overwhelmed

> with. But on the other hand, I have a few doctor friends who have come

> around to our more realistic reality after reading my emails directed to

> them over the years. Hey, this stuff works and theirs does not, with

> the noted exception of trauma medicine.

>

> Kind Regards,

> Jim

>

> >OK, I'm not sure so I'm asking. I go to doctors to get blood work done

> and then make my own assessment after listening. If my total cholest.

> jumped from 225 to 385 or the LDL ratio jumped too high, wouldn't I want

> to look at my diet to see what may be causing it or other internal

> problems that may be causing the inflamation?<

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am doing the best I can. I am not the list owner. She has minimal

internet access these days. I am glad you have spoken up. I am not

yet willing to moderate him, but it is good that you & hopefully other

list members feel the way you do. Peer group pressure can sometimes

work to quell someone who is ever zealous with biting commentaries.

Or it can make them worse, which gives me clearer reason to moderate.

Alobar

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 9:16 AM, skpounds14 <skpounds14@...> wrote:

> Hey, you know what there " Bernardo " ?... *ALL* of your posts seem to have an

Antagonistic, argumentative TONE to them. We don't need people with a crap

attitude, calling people out and making biting comments and sticking their nose

into every thread. GOT IT? If he had HALF a moderator I wouldn't have to write

this. In the meantime TONE IT DOWN or GO AWAY.

>

> If this was my list: ANY discourtesy to another member, first time I would put

people on notice, 2nd suspension, 3rd Banned.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>> > I'm no expert. If a person is incapable of exercise

>>

>> The only person incapable of exercise is someone who is totally paralyzed.

>>

>> > and doesn't want to make dietary or lifestyle changes

>>

>> I always get grief for saying this, but I have no sympathy fro anyone

>> who is unwilling to make dietary or lifestyle changes... they get the

>> exact amount of misery they deserve.

>>

>> > then I would surmise they would be helpful and potentially life

>> > saving. Again, I am not a big fan of these options. I am not aware of

>> > their potential and can only hypothesize.

>>

>> Sorry, what you are doing is not hypothesizing - that requires some

>> amount of logical deduction based on some limited amount of scientific

>> evidence.

>>

>> What you are doing is called guessing... and doing it badly I would say.

>>

>> > One thing is for sure, heart disease statistics are significant and

>> > need to be addressed.

>>

>> Sure... stop eating garbage and start eating pure whole foods...

>>

>

[Guest guest]

On 2011-03-19 11:55 AM, crgstef wrote:

> OK, I'm not sure so I'm asking. I go to doctors to get blood work done

> and then make my own assessment after listening. If my total cholest.

> jumped from 225 to 385 or the LDL ratio jumped too high, wouldn't I want

> to look at my diet to see what may be causing it or other internal

> problems that may be causing the inflamation?

Don't eat junk food, eat lots of good fats (raw butter/cream/meats from

organic grass fed/finished animals), organic coconuts/cream/oil, high

quality organically grown deep green leafy veggies, etc, and just don't

worry about it.

I haven't been to a doctor in almost 20 years, and have no intention of

going - with one exception...

The only thing modern medicine excels at is treating trauma victims, and

there's nowhere else I'd rather be than in a modern emergency room after

a bad accident... but own the long term recovery and health stuff yourself.

[Guest guest]

On 2011-03-20 10:16 AM, skpounds14 wrote:

> Hey, you know what there " Bernardo " ?...

What, " pounds " ?

> *ALL* of your posts seem to have an Antagonistic, argumentative TONE

> to them.

Yes, I often get accused of that. Most people just can't tell the

difference between 'plain talk' and 'sweet talk'. My only 'problem' -

*as perceived by you and some others* - is my simple, matter of fact

posting style. I call a spade a spade, and I don't pull any punches or

couch my posts in lovey dovey tones. If you don't like it, then feel

free to 'moderate' me - you can either use a mail filter to delete my

posts without ever seeing them, or just use your will power and don't

read them.

> and sticking their nose into every thread. GOT IT?

It is called an open discussion list. That means that anyone and

everyone is free to participate in any thread... GOT IT?

> If he had HALF a moderator I wouldn't have to write this. In the

> meantime TONE IT DOWN or GO AWAY.

Back at ya, mate.

[Guest guest]

You are coming very close to getting me to put you back on moderated

status. Your " plain talk " is abusive and needs to change.

Alobar

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...> wrote:

> On 2011-03-20 10:16 AM, skpounds14 wrote:

>> Hey, you know what there " Bernardo " ?...

>

> What, " pounds " ?

>

>> *ALL* of your posts seem to have an Antagonistic, argumentative TONE

>> to them.

>

> Yes, I often get accused of that. Most people just can't tell the

> difference between 'plain talk' and 'sweet talk'. My only 'problem' -

> *as perceived by you and some others* - is my simple, matter of fact

> posting style. I call a spade a spade, and I don't pull any punches or

> couch my posts in lovey dovey tones. If you don't like it, then feel

> free to 'moderate' me - you can either use a mail filter to delete my

> posts without ever seeing them, or just use your will power and don't

> read them.

>

>> and sticking their nose into every thread. GOT IT?

>

> It is called an open discussion list. That means that anyone and

> everyone is free to participate in any thread... GOT IT?

>

>> If he had HALF a moderator I wouldn't have to write this. In the

>> meantime TONE IT DOWN or GO AWAY.

>

> Back at ya, mate.

>

>

[Guest guest]

On 2011-03-20 11:57 AM, Alobar wrote:

> You are coming very close to getting me to put you back on moderated

> status. Your " plain talk " is abusive and needs to change.

Really...

Ok, then please explain what, exactly about that last post was

'abusive'? I'm curious, because without a definition of what constitutes

abusive, how is anyone to know?

[Guest guest]

Hi ,  I agree.  I was asked to back off when I was not being

condescending, sarcastic nor mean-spirited.  And yet others are allowed to

say anything their little hearts desires in the most discourteous of tones. 

 

Go figure.

 

Theta - sure she will be asked to back off again

From: skpounds14 <skpounds14@...>

Subject: Re: Coconut Oil, Best Benefit (s)

Coconut Oil

Date: Sunday, March 20, 2011, 7:16 AM

 

Hey, you know what there " Bernardo " ?... *ALL* of your posts seem to have an

Antagonistic, argumentative TONE to them. We don't need people with a crap

attitude, calling people out and making biting comments and sticking their nose

into every thread. GOT IT? If he had HALF a moderator I wouldn't have to write

this. In the meantime TONE IT DOWN or GO AWAY.

If this was my list: ANY discourtesy to another member, first time I would put

people on notice, 2nd suspension, 3rd Banned.

> > I'm no expert. If a person is incapable of exercise

>

> The only person incapable of exercise is someone who is totally paralyzed.

>

> > and doesn't want to make dietary or lifestyle changes

>

> I always get grief for saying this, but I have no sympathy fro anyone

> who is unwilling to make dietary or lifestyle changes... they get the

> exact amount of misery they deserve.

>

> > then I would surmise they would be helpful and potentially life

> > saving. Again, I am not a big fan of these options. I am not aware of

> > their potential and can only hypothesize.

>

> Sorry, what you are doing is not hypothesizing - that requires some

> amount of logical deduction based on some limited amount of scientific

> evidence.

>

> What you are doing is called guessing... and doing it badly I would say.

>

> > One thing is for sure, heart disease statistics are significant and

> > need to be addressed.

>

> Sure... stop eating garbage and start eating pure whole foods...

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

It is at time wise to just drop an issue that advances no causes except those of

ego. Can we just move along.. I am learning alot from this list on which I have

been for almost 3 years and frankly until recently never paid much attention to

the non-coconut oil related posts and threads .. I realize now it was a big

mistake ... Back to the subject of my posts...Let's drop those antagonistic

attitudes,not the issues, let's try to stop the ad hominem attacks... Let's

rather try to substantiate our positions, statements or claims. Let's try to be

civil, trying to not hurt the others feelings while correcting them when needs

be and when corrected let's be of good faith and will .. Let's at least try to

correct our mental attitudes as we are trying to be healthier .. A

serene environment is part of a healthy state I would think ...Let's just try

.... bu PLEASE !! Keep the discussions and debates  .. I am all for them

> You are coming very close to getting me to put you back on moderated

> status. Your " plain talk " is abusive and needs to change.

Really...

Ok, then please explain what, exactly about that last post was

'abusive'? I'm curious, because without a definition of what constitutes

abusive, how is anyone to know?

[Guest guest]

Heh...

is ...

Either filter his posts, or deal with it...he never changes.

Chuck

I got a new stick deodorant today.

The instructions said: Remove cap and push up bottom.

I can barely walk, but whenever I fart the room smells lovely...

On 3/20/2011 10:29:48 AM, alobar@... wrote:

> I am doing the best I can. I am not the list owner. She has minimal

> internet access these days. I am glad you have spoken up. I am not

> yet willing to moderate him, but it is good that you & hopefully other

> list members feel the way you do. Peer group pressure can sometimes

> work to quell someone who is ever zealous with biting commentaries.

> Or it can make them worse, which gives me clearer reason to moderate.

>

> Alobar

>

> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 9:16 AM, skpounds14 <skpounds14@...> wrote:

> > Hey, you know what there " Bernardo " ?... *ALL* of your posts seem to have

> an Antagonistic, argumentative TONE to them. We

> don't need people with a crap attitude, calling people out and making biting

comments and sticking their nose into every thread. GOT IT? If he had HALF a

moderator I wouldn't

> have to write this. In the meantime TONE IT DOWN or GO AWAY.

> >

> > If this was my list: ANY discourtesy to another member, first time I

> would put people on notice, 2nd suspension, 3rd Banned.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >>

> >> On 3/19/2011 9:42 AM,

[Guest guest]

Chuck

>>I got a new stick deodorant today.

The instructions said: Remove cap and push up bottom.

I can barely walk, but whenever I fart the room smells lovely...<<

I can't imagine where you are getting these, but keep the laughs coming. )

Lyn

[Guest guest]

That's one I need to check out, too. Did you have problems with your sight

before?? I have a problem with night vision, for one, and was told that may

be cateracts.

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 9:10 PM, jim <huuman60@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi Judy:

>

> On eye health,

> zeaxanthin was the key to that one. I also take lutein, but when I

> took that alone, I got no improvement>

>

> Regards,

> Jim

>

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan, can I have your permission to copy posts of your explaining this??

Some of my relatives would be very interested in this. otoh, I guess I

could just refer them to your website.....

Judy

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

>

>

> , you'll see a correlation between high cholesterol and plaque

> formation only in a population with enough oxidative stress to rancidify

> their dietary polyunsaturated oils and/or eating pre-rancidified oils.

>

> Early tests of primitive cultures that ate almost no seed oil but a lot of

> saturated fat, so it's a given they also had high cholesterol, revealed no

> evidence of heart disease at all. They also had a near-ideal body mass

> index.

>

> Heart disease examples were exceedingly hard to find even in modern society

> until the early 1950's, with the advent of margarine and corn oil.

>

> The reason the seed oil manufacturers push seed oils as healthy is because

> mice did well on them in early research and they still extrapolate that

> shabby flawed work as if it applied in some way to humans. Unfortunately,

> non-seed eaters' health fails on high dietary seed oil intake but the

> manufacturers now are in the biz of selling seed oils now so they won't hear

> of it. The false advertising problem is compounded by the medical mafia, and

> high-oxidative people eating over-processed rancidifying polyunsaturated

> oils, which will certainly give a plaque reading very quickly.

>

> The plaque study published in Lancet in 1971 revealed a composition of 74%

> polyunsaturated and unsaturated oil; cholesterol, saturated fat, cellular

> debris, scar tissue, foam cells, calcium etc together formed the balance.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

>

> >

> > Maybe. I'm not an expert so I don't know.

> >

> > When it comes to cholesterol and related issues I listen to Duane

> Graveline. I like reading Duane's articles and books because he tells it

> like it is and gives you " the good, the bad and the ugly " regardless. He

> follows current research and his knowledge is based upon the most recent

> findings.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Duncan. I have a sister who was a nurse, and any reference I

make to alternative treatments/theories are mostly quackery, according to

her....only Web MD has correct info. Also two in hubby's family who are

nurses; but a bit more open to other things, so they would be interested in

this.

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

>

>

> I'd love it Judy if you forwarded the posts; the statements are all as

> accurate as I can word them and as the research that backs them up.

>

> I might add, research has recently shown that as unsaturated content of the

> oils rises in the body, all long lived mammals have reduced life expectancy.

> The unsaturated content is the dietary plant oils, partucularly the

> polyunsaturates. Fattening and thyroid-suppressive, the poly oils are the

> reason that grain or soy-fed beef has a much higher inflammatory index than

> grass-fed beef, which doesn't contain appreciable amounts of these oils.

>

> And, momma cow isn't wrong, look at the fat profile of milk fat listed here

> in Greg 's Oils analysis; very little polyunsaturate present because

> it would be bad for the calf and long lived mammals live shorter lifespans

> on this oil:

> http://tinyurl.com/oil-references

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

>

>

> >

> > Duncan, can I have your permission to copy posts of your explaining

> this??

> > Some of my relatives would be very interested in this. otoh, I guess I

> > could just refer them to your website.....

> > Judy

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On 2011-03-21 5:49 PM, wrote:

> Unfortunately, we are so exposed to toxins of all kinds that

> oxidative stress is almost a given. One can easily be fooled into

> thinking that they are making the right decisions: inflammation is

> known as a " silent killer " . For that reason LDL and VLDL are on my

> radar and I try to avoid increasing their existence in my system in

> order to reduce the potential for high amounts of oxidized fats. HDL

> can increase to whatever level my system deems fit: that would not

> bother me a bit. I get C Reactive Protein (CRP)levels checked: that

> information, to me, is more critical than cholesterol levels. In

> addition, I do think high cholesterol should not be the result of a

> diet that lacks a reasonable and appropriate amount of fiber.

>

> As a final thought, I think quality saturated fats like those found

> in coconut oil have an important role to play in health maintenance.

> They have been given a bad rap in the past.

As have the saturated fats from naturally raised animals (butter, cream,

meats, etc)... all very healthy, in fact even *necessary* for good health.

Again - even admitting all of the stress related to modern living, you

simply don't need to micro manage things (like monitoring, and

especially 'worrying about' cholesterol levels regardless of which

'kind' they are) if you do your best to live a healthy lifestyle. You

would be *much* better off spending any money/time you are currently

investing in tests and doctors monitoring such things on more halth

books, and high quality foods...

The biggest challenge for all of us is learning what actually

constitutes a healthy lifestyle, and separating the wheat from the

chaff, because there is so much mis/dis-information out there. It is

especially difficult for anyone just starting out...

[Guest guest]

I have dandelions all over my yard. All stages of growth. What parts would I

need to pick and store? At what stage of growth? Would fresh be better than

going to the healthfood store? Thanks, Sylvia

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Huuman <huuman60@...> wrote:

> My guess is that your tea is shot. Might I suggest: that you, next

> year, consider freezing it.

>

> >Interesting infos ! Thank you. I have some dandelion tea that has been

> sitting on my shelf for a year. I think I'll get it out<

>

>

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>

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