Re: Difference between VCO and commercial MCT oil

[Guest guest]

I agree that VCO and commercial MCT oil are too different:

1. VCO is a natural extract from fresh mature coconut fruit. Commercial MCT oil

is chemically synthesized from palm oil and/or coconut oil produced from copra.

2. VCO contains all the MCTs of our planet (caproin, caprin, capryllin and

laurin) and is more like a functional food. Commercial MCT oil contains only

caprin and capryllin and is more like a medicine.

3. VCO contains olein (about 5%) - the main oil of olive oil.

4. VCO contains myristin (about 18%) - also a strong anti-microbial.

5. VCO contain palmitin (about 8%) - the main oil of palm oil.

6. VCO contains just the right amount of essential linolein oil (about 2%) - the

main oil from soybean.

7. VCO contains just the satiating amount of stearin (about 2%) that helps

discourage excessive intake.

8. And finally, VCO, a natural product, has been used by people for good health

for hundreds of years.  Commercial MCT oil, an artificial product, is new.

I hope adequate studies on the safety of commercial MCToil is done soon enough,

if not yet.  Another artificial product - the trans fats, took some time to be

known that the chemical process of hydrogenation that the oil underwent

transferred the location of hydrogen atom to the opposite side of the carbon

atom - that small difference already made it toxic to the body all the while.

Tony

Pretending VCO is the same as MCT oil fosters myth-structures because lauric

acid does not have the same properties as MCT oil; the myth has obviously misled

casual readers in the general population.

Duncan

[Guest guest]

Thanks for all the good info Tony. I have been wondering about the long term

effects of the MCT oil myself. Because of the way it's made it does appear to be

more like a medicine than a food, and while it might be of help to people with

certain medical conditions, it seems to me that VCO is a better choice for

promoting and maintaining overall health.

Best,

Dee

>

> I agree that VCO and commercial MCT oil are too different:

>

>

> 1. VCO is a natural extract from fresh mature coconut fruit. Commercial MCT

oil is chemically synthesized from palm oil and/or coconut oil produced from

copra.

>

> 2. VCO contains all the MCTs of our planet (caproin, caprin, capryllin and

laurin) and is more like a functional food. Commercial MCT oil contains only

caprin and capryllin and is more like a medicine.

>

> 3. VCO contains olein (about 5%) - the main oil of olive oil.

>

> 4. VCO contains myristin (about 18%) - also a strong anti-microbial.

> 5. VCO contain palmitin (about 8%) - the main oil of palm oil.

> 6. VCO contains just the right amount of essential linolein oil (about 2%) -

the main oil from soybean.

> 7. VCO contains just the satiating amount of stearin (about 2%) that helps

discourage excessive intake.

> 8. And finally, VCO, a natural product, has been used by people for good

health for hundreds of years.  Commercial MCT oil, an artificial product, is

new.

>

> I hope adequate studies on the safety of commercial MCToil is done soon

enough, if not yet.  Another artificial product - the trans fats, took some

time to be known that the chemical process of hydrogenation that the oil

underwent transferred the location of hydrogen atom to the opposite side of the

carbon atom - that small difference already made it toxic to the body all the

while.

>

>

> Tony

>

>

[Guest guest]

MCT oil used for overall health in a bowel dysbiosis/candidaisis patient is

better than coconut oil in the same patient. Not so sure that's a " medical " use

because dysbiosis occurs in about 80% of the population so it's for maintaining

overall health in the majority. As you will note in the candida/bowel health

discussions, caprylic and capric acids are singled out as being more useful than

whole coconut oil for the purpose of cure and prevention.

For Alzheimer's treatment one might argue " medical use " , but since the damage of

beginning Alzheimer's can be detected in nearly everyone over 50, one could also

point out that MCT oil is useful for maintaining overall health particularly as

one matures.

I favour adding MCT oil and milk fat to a preventive diet to achieve therapeutic

levels, but having done so you wouldn't need the coconut oil at all as all the

bases would be covered.

There are sure to be many other examples of where " medicine " and " preventive

diet " , otherwise known as " maintaining overall health " , cross over.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Thanks for all the good info Tony. I have been wondering about the long term

effects of the MCT oil myself. Because of the way it's made it does appear to be

more like a medicine than a food, and while it might be of help to people with

certain medical conditions, it seems to me that VCO is a better choice for

promoting and maintaining overall health.

>

> Best,

> Dee

>

[Guest guest]

Since reading about MCT oil on this list, I now use both MCT and coconut

oil. My godfather had Alzheimer's. No way he could have cared for

himself. He saw his only function in life was to bounce babies on his

knee. I go thru about 1 jar of NOW MCT oil every 2 months. Coconut oil has

more flavor. I use it in frying (along with butter), I take coconut oil +

Carlson lemon flavor fish oil + Carlson Ddrops (for vitamin D3) when I

drink undenatured whey protein isolate (Duncan's revision of Budwig

formulation) along with daily dose of Selenium to slowly build up my

glutathione levels over the years. My goal remains to be able to live

alone, do all my own shopping, and still be working in semi-retirement past

age 120.

Alobar

On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

>

> MCT oil used for overall health in a bowel dysbiosis/candidaisis patient is

> better than coconut oil in the same patient. Not so sure that's a " medical "

> use because dysbiosis occurs in about 80% of the population so it's for

> maintaining overall health in the majority. As you will note in the

> candida/bowel health discussions, caprylic and capric acids are singled out

> as being more useful than whole coconut oil for the purpose of cure and

> prevention.

>

> For Alzheimer's treatment one might argue " medical use " , but since the

> damage of beginning Alzheimer's can be detected in nearly everyone over 50,

> one could also point out that MCT oil is useful for maintaining overall

> health particularly as one matures.

>

> I favour adding MCT oil and milk fat to a preventive diet to achieve

> therapeutic levels, but having done so you wouldn't need the coconut oil at

> all as all the bases would be covered.

>

> There are sure to be many other examples of where " medicine " and

> " preventive diet " , otherwise known as " maintaining overall health " , cross

> over.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

>

>

> >

> > Thanks for all the good info Tony. I have been wondering about the long

> term effects of the MCT oil myself. Because of the way it's made it does

> appear to be more like a medicine than a food, and while it might be of help

> to people with certain medical conditions, it seems to me that VCO is a

> better choice for promoting and maintaining overall health.

> >

> > Best,

> > Dee

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan, can you provide studies in which Coconut Oil is compared with caprylic

and capric

acids as a cure or prevention for candida/bowel health?

Dee

-- In Coconut Oil , " Duncan Crow " <duncancrow@...>

wrote:

>

As you will note in the candida/bowel health discussions, caprylic and capric

acids are singled out as being more useful than whole coconut oil for the

purpose of cure and prevention.

>

>

>

> >

> > Thanks for all the good info Tony. I have been wondering about the long term

effects of the MCT oil myself. Because of the way it's made it does appear to be

more like a medicine than a food, and while it might be of help to people with

certain medical conditions, it seems to me that VCO is a better choice for

promoting and maintaining overall health.

> >

> > Best,

> > Dee

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sounds like an excellent plan! : )

I just got MCT oil from NOW also and will start to incorporate it into my diet,

but also w/ coconut oil...I really believe there is a lot of benefit to take

them together so that they can work synergistically....there is so much we don't

understand about how these chemicals REALLY work in the cells, and the closer to

nature the better whenever possible.

Curumin is also an excellent anti-alzheimers and anti-cancer preventative. You

can mix it w/ the oils for better bioavailability.

Liz

> > >

> > > Thanks for all the good info Tony. I have been wondering about the long

> > term effects of the MCT oil myself. Because of the way it's made it does

> > appear to be more like a medicine than a food, and while it might be of help

> > to people with certain medical conditions, it seems to me that VCO is a

> > better choice for promoting and maintaining overall health.

> > >

> > > Best,

> > > Dee

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Liz,

Will u update on how you get on with the MCT? I have ordered some too same

brand, it is held up at customs & not sure when i receive it, but I'm hoping to

get a bit of energy from it when it does arrive. 

I dont tolerate fats very well, maybe can't digest them i'm not sure but MCT

appealed to me because it by-passes the digestive process (i think).  Hope it

works for you as it seems to for others on this list.

Val

________________________________

From: lizz7711 <lizz7711@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2011, 23:20

Subject: Re: Difference between VCO and commercial MCT

oil

 

Sounds like an excellent plan! : )

I just got MCT oil from NOW also and will start to incorporate it into my diet,

but also w/ coconut oil...I really believe there is a lot of benefit to take

them together so that they can work synergistically....there is so much we don't

understand about how these chemicals REALLY work in the cells, and the closer to

nature the better whenever possible.

Curumin is also an excellent anti-alzheimers and anti-cancer preventative. You

can mix it w/ the oils for better bioavailability.

Liz

> > >

> > > Thanks for all the good info Tony. I have been wondering about the long

> > term effects of the MCT oil myself. Because of the way it's made it does

> > appear to be more like a medicine than a food, and while it might be of help

> > to people with certain medical conditions, it seems to me that VCO is a

> > better choice for promoting and maintaining overall health.

> > >

> > > Best,

> > > Dee

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Caprylic and capric acids are practically legendary for reducing candida and

dysbiosis. I've been in touch with dozens of people over the years who swore by

it several years before I looked into it as a supplement or food oil. These were

all in effect single-case studies;

That said, I haven't kept any studies on coconut oil that aren't already mounted

in my coconut oil references, and the reference linkss are mainly to abstracts:

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/coconut-oil.html#references

As " In vitro killing of Candida albicans by fatty acids and monoglycerides "

points out, " the results show that capric acid, a 10-carbon saturated fatty

acid, causes the fastest and most effective killing of all three strains of C.

albicans tested " .

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11600381?dopt=Abstract

But that isn't what you asked for.

all good,

Duncan

> > >

> > > Thanks for all the good info Tony. I have been wondering about the long

term effects of the MCT oil myself. Because of the way it's made it does appear

to be more like a medicine than a food, and while it might be of help to people

with certain medical conditions, it seems to me that VCO is a better choice for

promoting and maintaining overall health.

> > >

> > > Best,

> > > Dee

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan,

I saw the photos of the link you provided below:

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/coconut-oil.html#references

Is this the way the VCO are traditionally processed where Virgin Oil De

Coco-Creme are sourced? I'm sorry, but I thought this is a mini cockpit arena. A

place in the barrios where they hold cock fighting.

Archie

From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Subject: Re: Difference between VCO and commercial MCT

oil

Coconut Oil

Date: Sunday, 25 September, 2011, 7:11 AM

 

Caprylic and capric acids are practically legendary for reducing candida

and dysbiosis. I've been in touch with dozens of people over the years who swore

by it several years before I looked into it as a supplement or food oil. These

were all in effect single-case studies;

That said, I haven't kept any studies on coconut oil that aren't already mounted

in my coconut oil references, and the reference linkss are mainly to abstracts:

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/coconut-oil.html#references

As " In vitro killing of Candida albicans by fatty acids and monoglycerides "

points out, " the results show that capric acid, a 10-carbon saturated fatty

acid, causes the fastest and most effective killing of all three strains of C.

albicans tested " .

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11600381?dopt=Abstract

But that isn't what you asked for.

all good,

Duncan

> > >

> > > Thanks for all the good info Tony. I have been wondering about the long

term effects of the MCT oil myself. Because of the way it's made it does appear

to be more like a medicine than a food, and while it might be of help to people

with certain medical conditions, it seems to me that VCO is a better choice for

promoting and maintaining overall health.

> > >

> > > Best,

> > > Dee

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Tony,

Thanks for sharing the info about MCT. Aside from its health benefits we use MCT

oil as additives

to our VCO skin care products and VCO soaps as dispersing agent. It also serves

well

with our VCO body oil because of its light texture. Yes, MCT is chemically

synthesized, that’s why we limit its use only to our topical products.

Archie

-- On Sat, 9/24/11, AGPacific Nutriceutical <agnutriceutical@...> wrote:

From: AGPacific Nutriceutical <agnutriceutical@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Difference between VCO and commercial

MCT oil

" Coconut Oil "

<Coconut Oil >

Date: Saturday, 24 September, 2011, 9:04 PM

 

I agree that VCO and commercial MCT oil are too different:

1. VCO is a natural extract from fresh mature coconut fruit. Commercial MCT oil

is chemically synthesized from palm oil and/or coconut oil produced from copra.

2. VCO contains all the MCTs of our planet (caproin, caprin, capryllin and

laurin) and is more like a functional food. Commercial MCT oil contains only

caprin and capryllin and is more like a medicine.

3. VCO contains olein (about 5%) - the main oil of olive oil.

4. VCO contains myristin (about 18%) - also a strong anti-microbial.

5. VCO contain palmitin (about 8%) - the main oil of palm oil.

6. VCO contains just the right amount of essential linolein oil (about 2%) - the

main oil from soybean.

7. VCO contains just the satiating amount of stearin (about 2%) that helps

discourage excessive intake.

8. And finally, VCO, a natural product, has been used by people for good health

for hundreds of years.  Commercial MCT oil, an artificial product, is new.

I hope adequate studies on the safety of commercial MCToil is done soon enough,

if not yet.  Another artificial product - the trans fats, took some time to be

known that the chemical process of hydrogenation that the oil underwent

transferred the location of hydrogen atom to the opposite side of the carbon

atom - that small difference already made it toxic to the body all the while.

Tony

Pretending VCO is the same as MCT oil fosters myth-structures because lauric

acid does not have the same properties as MCT oil; the myth has obviously misled

casual readers in the general population.

Duncan

[Guest guest]

>

> As " In vitro killing of Candida albicans by fatty acids and monoglycerides "

points out, " the results show that capric acid, a 10-carbon saturated fatty

acid, causes the fastest and most effective killing of all three strains of C.

albicans tested " .

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11600381?dopt=Abstract

>

> But that isn't what you asked for.

>

Duncan, I have to wonder why you failed to quote the following in the above

pubmed abstract:

" Lauric acid, a 12-carbon saturated fatty acid, was the most active at lower

concentrations and after a longer incubation time. "

Combined with the part you quoted, what that says to me is that VCO would be the

best choice for long term control and prevention. Also, we have to keep in mind

that ALL of the studies on MCT oil were short term studies so no long term

results are available. In addition, this manufactured oil has only been on the

market for a short time so any long term detrimental effects are yet unknown -

whereas VCO has been consumed by native cultures for centuries with no ill

effects. I would, therefore, not use MCT oil long term (unless, perhaps, I had

Atzheimer's); and if I did use it, I would be sure to combine it with VCO for

the synergistic effect.

Dee

[Guest guest]

Hi Archie, as the text indicates the picture on my site is of one of a

traditionally-run coconut oil extraction plant. I haven't seen a cock-fighting

arena but I can understand your point, that such a factory is about as primitive

as it gets. This represents one of the sources that most traditional virgin

coconut oil is from.

Where Virgin Oil de Coco Creme is sourced there probably are some plants of that

type nearby, still producing the traditionally-made product.

The factory that extracts the gourmet Virgin Oil de Coco Creme conforms to

modern hygeine standards and has much higher output and a patented modern

machine doing the extraction. People working in the condition of the first photo

can't afford such a machine unless they start a company in co-operation with the

patent holder who buys all the output.

Perhaps Quality First International will have some photos of their Virgin Oil de

Coco Creme plant on their new information site when they launch it next month.

all good,

Duncan

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> > > > Thanks for all the good info Tony. I have been wondering about the long

term effects of the MCT oil myself. Because of the way it's made it does appear

to be more like a medicine than a food, and while it might be of help to people

with certain medical conditions, it seems to me that VCO is a better choice for

promoting and maintaining overall health.

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> > > > Best,

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[Guest guest]

Dee, I reported on candida patients who had positive experiences with MCT oil,

which is legendary for that purpose. They didn't get good results with coconut

oil. Pure lauric acid was found by research to kill candida with a longer

incubation/contact time; however because it is quickly absorbed it may present

too short an incubation/contact time to the individual using it. You can readily

find lauric acid and try it but it's usually made into soap:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauric_acid.

all good,

Duncan

> >

> > As " In vitro killing of Candida albicans by fatty acids and monoglycerides "

points out, " the results show that capric acid, a 10-carbon saturated fatty

acid, causes the fastest and most effective killing of all three strains of C.

albicans tested " .

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11600381?dopt=Abstract

> >

> > But that isn't what you asked for.

> >

>

> Duncan, I have to wonder why you failed to quote the following in the above

pubmed abstract:

>

> " Lauric acid, a 12-carbon saturated fatty acid, was the most active at lower

concentrations and after a longer incubation time. "

>

[Guest guest]

Hmmm. Did I say I was interested in Lauric Acid? No. As for the candida patients

who had positive experience with MCT oil - fine. That it is " legendary " for that

purpose, however, is disputable, as it hasn't been around long enough to create

a " legend " :-)

My point, however, is that I wouldn't take it long term for the reasons I

already mentioned. And btw, I don't have candida so please refrain from

suggestions unless I ask for them.

And btw, if Lauric acid is too quickly absorbed (as you claim) then why does the

research say that it was the most active at lower concentrations and after a

longer incubation time. " Dr. Newport's experience with MCT oil was that it was

used up too quickly. The addition of VCO (which contains Lauric acid) to the mix

allowed the effect to last much longer.

Dee

> > >

> > > As " In vitro killing of Candida albicans by fatty acids and

monoglycerides " points out, " the results show that capric acid, a 10-carbon

saturated fatty acid, causes the fastest and most effective killing of all three

strains of C. albicans tested " .

> > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11600381?dopt=Abstract

> > >

> > > But that isn't what you asked for.

> > >

> >

> > Duncan, I have to wonder why you failed to quote the following in the above

pubmed abstract:

> >

> > " Lauric acid, a 12-carbon saturated fatty acid, was the most active at

lower concentrations and after a longer incubation time. "

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Your personal preference Dee reflects fear-bias, an emotion that does not seem

to encumber the majority of steady MCT users, the body builders, many thousands

of whom have been using MCT oil for several years now. We all have at least that

amount of cumulative experience from which to draw and there's no indication at

all of a downside or risk.

The test tube experiment you're puzzling over soaked candida in lauric acid for

as long as the researcher wanted to in order to ascertain any result. This is

not an option in the gut, in which absorption takes the lauric acid away from

the proximity of the infection. Read and comprehend.

That ketone levels rise for a longer time using VCO with MCT compared to MCT

alone, which shows a more pronounced effect but shorter duration, can be due to

blocking or uptake competition. I don't see this kind of effect as being

necessarily positive when you can simply dose with MCT more frequently or simply

cook with it more.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Hmmm. Did I say I was interested in Lauric Acid? No. As for the candida

patients who had positive experience with MCT oil - fine. That it is " legendary "

for that purpose, however, is disputable, as it hasn't been around long enough

to create a " legend " :-)

>

> My point, however, is that I wouldn't take it long term for the reasons I

already mentioned. And btw, I don't have candida so please refrain from

suggestions unless I ask for them.

>

> And btw, if Lauric acid is too quickly absorbed (as you claim) then why does

the research say that it was the most active at lower concentrations and after a

longer incubation time. " Dr. Newport's experience with MCT oil was that it was

used up too quickly. The addition of VCO (which contains Lauric acid) to the mix

allowed the effect to last much longer.

>

> Dee

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan, caution does not equal " fear bias " . As Tony has said:

" Another artificial product - the trans fats, took some time to be

known that the chemical process of hydrogenation that the oil underwent

transferred the location of hydrogen atom to the opposite side of the carbon

atom - that small difference already made it toxic to the body all the while. "

And speaking of bias - I think most recognize by now that your own bias is one

of taste. You (and your wife) simply don't like the taste of VCO. And despite

your copies of VCO and MCT research on your website (which anyone can do) you

are most certainly not an authority on either oil. Your confusion over the way

in which MCT oil is manufactured is a case in point.

Dee

>

> Your personal preference Dee reflects fear-bias, an emotion that does not seem

to encumber the majority of steady MCT users, the body builders, many thousands

of whom have been using MCT oil for several years now.

[Guest guest]

Dee

Carpic and capryllic acids are in the coconut oil also. Together with lauric

acid, they are potent antibacterial, antifungalsand antiprotozoals. To me, they

were all put there together by the Creator as balanced as it should be, so why

should i be taking more of each?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for all the good info Tony. I have been wondering about the long

term effects of the MCT oil myself. Because of the way it's made it does appear

to be more like a medicine than a food, and while it might be of help to people

with certain medical conditions, it seems to me that VCO is a better choice for

promoting and maintaining overall health.

> > > >

> > > > Best,

> > > > Dee

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I totally agree .

Dee

> >

> > Caprylic and capric acids are practically legendary for reducing candida and

dysbiosis. I've been in touch with dozens of people over the years who swore by

it several years before I looked into it as a supplement or food oil. These were

all in effect single-case studies;

> >

> > That said, I haven't kept any studies on coconut oil that aren't already

mounted in my coconut oil references, and the reference linkss are mainly to

abstracts:

> > http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/coconut-oil.html#references

> >

> > As " In vitro killing of Candida albicans by fatty acids and monoglycerides "

points out, " the results show that capric acid, a 10-carbon saturated fatty

acid, causes the fastest and most effective killing of all three strains of C.

albicans tested " .

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11600381?dopt=Abstract

> >

> > But that isn't what you asked for.

> >

> > all good,

> >

> > Duncan

> >

[Guest guest]

The difference between caution and fear bias is only a point of semantics Dee. I

follow people who now have experience and are no longer cautious, because first

hand accounts from many people is reasonably valid input. You may feel better by

cautiously waiting years for a longer-term study, but I don't let such fears

paralyse my own initiative.

Read and comprehend. I and my wife take MCT oil for the ketones. I wrote that

she doesn't like the flavour of VCO but I absolutely love Virgin Oil de Coco

Creme and have recommended it as the most intact, least processed coconut oil to

be found. It didn't fly in our house, that's all.

The rest of your crabbiness does not deserve a reply today Dee. You can wallow

in it yourself.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Duncan, caution does not equal " fear bias " . As Tony has said:

>

> " Another artificial product - the trans fats, took some time to be

> known that the chemical process of hydrogenation that the oil underwent

> transferred the location of hydrogen atom to the opposite side of the carbon

> atom - that small difference already made it toxic to the body all the while. "

>

> And speaking of bias - I think most recognize by now that your own bias is

one of taste. You (and your wife) simply don't like the taste of VCO. And

despite your copies of VCO and MCT research on your website (which anyone can

do) you are most certainly not an authority on either oil. Your confusion over

the way in which MCT oil is manufactured is a case in point.

>

> Dee

>