Guest guest Posted October 16, 2001 Report Share Posted October 16, 2001 Chuck & Listmates: The old fashioned pad type diathermy has been our choice treatment for plus 40 yrs. To apply: divide the chest into 4 quarters and place the pads A to P , adjust the machine to comfortable warm to the patient for 12 to 15 minutes. Repeat on each subsequent quarter. Total treatment time will be 48 to 60 monutes. CAUTION! If a little bit of warmth does a lot of good, MORE will burn the patient and may take a year to heal As core temp increases, may be necessary to decrease the intensity. Treat daily until acuteness in reduced, then treat every other day until lungs ascultate clear Nutritional support in primarily Pneumotrophin at 2 bid for 2 to 6 months. Questions?? 541.276.2550 DrBob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2001 Report Share Posted October 17, 2001 Chuck, This is just a stream of common sense stuff which I have come across. Take it with a grain of salt. I have a number of patients with inhalant allergies. I recommend they get a simple HEPA filter for the bedroom. Norelco makes them as does Panasonic. If they can afford it, a whole house filtration system can help. I also recommend that they take their bedding that isn't washed regularly (like the pillows, blankets and bespread) and toss it in the dryer on no heat for 1/2 hour 3 times per week to shake out the dust mites. Some people have pulled up the carpet in their bedrooms and gone back to hardwood floors. You have to vacuum more often but the dust is easier to control. Another filtration system which works is the ozone generators. As I understand it, ozone is toxic and irritating to mucous membranes so the generator should be on low most of the time. I have one in the clinic on a timer and it runs from 1-5 a.m. If the air is too dry, you can also make the air easier to breath with a humidifier with a spot to put stuff in such a menthol. A few years ago, I met up with a high school friend who has developed Lupus. She read a book by a neurologist Dr. Soll, called " MS- Something Can Be Done & You Can Do It " . His theory involves the inflammation of all autoimmune conditions (MS, Lupus, RA, Asthma). With any chronic inflammatory disease two primary aggravating factors appear to be food allergies and viral infections. Battle these and you battle the EFFECTS of the illness. She had food allergy testing done and while avoiding provoking foods, lived largely symptom free. We went to a pizza place one evening and the next day she was visibly swollen. She said she understands that she will occasionally pay a price if she cheats. I have IgG4 and IgE food allergy testing done by Great Smokies. Inhalants can be tested as well but if you test positive, how do you avoid dust mites? It appears that food testing is a better test. Anyone who is compromised usually produces poor digestive acid/enzymes. They don't absorb enough of anything especially protein. Fred Meyers has a good protein powder from soy reasonably priced. They guy certainly needs all the building blocks to keep making connective tissue and immune cells, etc. Broad spectrum digestive enzymes can come in handy. (Tyler makes a good one: Similase. Breaks down sugar, fat, and protein.) One reason is that sugars which get to the colon without breaking down can feed bad bugs. Their excretions have been suggested to pass through the gut wall and aggravate inflammatory processes. (Just to restate what you already know.) Dr. Abrahamson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2001 Report Share Posted October 17, 2001 After adjustment and other natural support it is VERY helpful to retrain the respiratory mechanics to reduce chronic hyperventilation, respiratory alkalosis, and secondary chronic autonomic arousal. Best way is with computerized oximetry, capnometry, heart rate, and respiratory biofeedback. Without the equipment you can change pattern with slow deliberate abdominal/diaphragmatic respiration training. Make sure they relax the accessory muscles of the upper thoracic spine while breathing to prevent recurrence of thoracic and cervical subluxations you have carefully adjusted. Get the rate right so as to avoid hypoxia and failure. Willard COPD Hello, Seeking help for COPD affected patient...you know the syndrome: Recurrent episodes of " bronchitis " dx-ed by the PCP, repeated rounds of antibiotics, periodic pneumonia. Now a consult with a lung " specialist " who isn't too specific about a dx, but is rx-ing inhaled steroids. Sounds like a downward spiral to me in this early 60's gentleman. Any ideas from my alternative medicine colleagues? Chuck Simpson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2001 Report Share Posted October 17, 2001 Chuck, This is a tough problem. Here's my general view. The most important thing is to improve the spinal and costovertebral dynamics. As you know they are losing lung surface area to exchange gases and to maximize tidal volumn is very helpful, that is of course the obstructive goop and bronchospasm is moderated. The MD's try to dilate the bronchiols and loosen the gunk with meds(often really important and a late-game strategy), but we can be very helpful by our physical approaches, adjusting, massage, and thoracic percussion/vibration. Identify stressors as these are often at the foundation of a crisis--keep the patient calm. Remove them from allergens and intolerances if possible. As an overall approach, if possible, evaluate the blood as balancing the overall health gives the body a leg-up on maintaining homeostastis, it is a tough road for a weak and sleep deprived individual, so high quality food and vits given according to the blood picture. Physiotherapy and protomorphogens as Dr. Bob recommends are all a part of the management of COPD. There are some botannicals that may be of help. I am sure that you can see a book should be written on the conservative management of this condition. It truly is an issue of nursing, good and minimal medications, and a well rounded chiropractic approach. If you can do some of these things, this person's quality of life will improve. Unfortunately, this is not a " this for that " kind of deal, its an ongoing management kind of case. Steve Lumsden COPD > Hello, > Seeking help for COPD affected patient...you know the syndrome: Recurrent > episodes of " bronchitis " dx-ed by the PCP, repeated rounds of antibiotics, > periodic pneumonia. Now a consult with a lung " specialist " who isn't too > specific about a dx, but is rx-ing inhaled steroids. Sounds like a downward > spiral to me in this early 60's gentleman. > Any ideas from my alternative medicine colleagues? > Chuck Simpson > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2001 Report Share Posted October 18, 2001 Chuck et al; Another alternative is to fire the patient. When our paradigm is so removed from their expectations and/or willingness, we probably serve them better by discharging the patient. I appreciate how difficult this is for us chiropractors, but we have to consider the cost to us as practitioners by trying to "fix" the unfixable. Art ======================================= Date sent: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:38:52 EDT From: simpsondcaol drmikerealkiro, Subject: Re: COPD [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] Thanks Mike, Your ideas make sense and are consistent with what I have been trying to do, however... This particular patient is a "biomechanical nightmare"...arthritic (60 y. o.), flat T kyphosis, compression fx at T11, genu varum, and not particularly motivated tp exercise, make dietary changes or buck the trend from his PCP, i.e. more antibiotics. I like theoretical clinical discussion, but translating it into terms that meet the patient's world-view, preferences and expectations is a challenge. chuck Simpson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2001 Report Share Posted October 18, 2001 Thanks Mike, Your ideas make sense and are consistent with what I have been trying to do, however... This particular patient is a " biomechanical nightmare " ...arthritic (60 y. o.), flat T kyphosis, compression fx at T11, genu varum, and not particularly motivated tp exercise, make dietary changes or buck the trend from his PCP, i.e. more antibiotics. I like theoretical clinical discussion, but translating it into terms that meet the patient's world-view, preferences and expectations is a challenge. chuck Simpson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2001 Report Share Posted October 18, 2001 Got it, Chuck. All too often that is where we find ourselves at the crux of no really good alternative. What you've outlined, clearly, is his best alternative. Wishing you reasonable success, Art ======================================== Date sent: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 19:08:53 EDT From: simpsondcaol spineuswest (DOT) net, Subject: Re: COPD [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] Hi Art, You know, I considered "firing" this fellow...but I've treated him for years, treat the whole family, etc, etc. I just can't do it. How I've decided to manage the situation is to be as explicit as possible about what I can and cannot do. I CAN effectively manage his subluxations, encourage exercise and healthful behaviors. I can translate what his medical docs are telling him and his wife. I can help steer him through the maze of treatment alternatives by supplying information (or guiding him to it) so he can make informed choices. I'm also clear about what I CAN'T fix (eg. change the fact that he's 60-something, osteoporotic, etc.). It's frustrating when there are no clear "best" alternatives. Chuck Simpson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2001 Report Share Posted October 18, 2001 Hi Art, You know, I considered " firing " this fellow...but I've treated him for years, treat the whole family, etc, etc. I just can't do it. How I've decided to manage the situation is to be as explicit as possible about what I can and cannot do. I CAN effectively manage his subluxations, encourage exercise and healthful behaviors. I can translate what his medical docs are telling him and his wife. I can help steer him through the maze of treatment alternatives by supplying information (or guiding him to it) so he can make informed choices. I'm also clear about what I CAN'T fix (eg. change the fact that he's 60-something, osteoporotic, etc.). It's frustrating when there are no clear " best " alternatives. Chuck Simpson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2001 Report Share Posted October 18, 2001 Listmates If your patient is allergic to soy protein, Doctors Pride has a lactose free whey protein powder that is very good DrBob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2011 Report Share Posted August 14, 2011 Advice on fats; diet, Weston Price Foundation. Hope this helps. http://www.westonaprice.org/ask-the-doctor/chronic-obstructive-pulmonary-disease\ -copd Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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