Guest guest Posted November 23, 2000 Report Share Posted November 23, 2000 Ethleen, I take MSM and it has helped my knee problems. Probably the best source of information on MSM is Doug. He has posted a lot of information on it to moreoxygen. Just check the archives. ~Karmahttp://loaves-n-fishes.com Vitamins, Herbs, etc. at discount prices.View my current auctions at: http://showcase.auctiva.com/Karma"Spread love everywhere you go: first of all in your own house. Give love to your children, to your wife or husband, to the next door neighbor... Let no one ever come to you without leaving better and happier. Be the living expression of God's kindness; kindness in your face, kindness in your eyes, kindness in your smile, kindness in your warm greeting."~Mother MSM Iva-can you please elaborate a little more on MSM? Interesting that just this week I purchased some from the HealthFood Store and started taking it. The clerk/owner of the store said that she thought it was for those with joint problems or lung problems, of which I have neither, but I was so sure that somewhere I read it was for better cell assimilation of O2. She'd never heard of that but I took a risk and bought some anyway. I was especially intrigued that you said you are taking it. I did not know about the healthier nails from MSM but that will be worth everything if it helps my splitting and fragile nails. (How long til I could expect to see some results with the nails?) I'd love to hear more about this product. Ethleen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2000 Report Share Posted December 1, 2000 Hi , Great prices on the MSM. Do you buy it in bulk? I have a Cap-M-Quik that I purchased from Beyond a Century and gel capsules so the bulk would work out for me. How does the powder taste? Dotsie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2001 Report Share Posted April 30, 2001 I saw Coburn being interviewed recently. He went through a really tough patch in his life when he got arthritis (in his arms I think) and was in agony and couldn't work. He says that MSM fixed it. So now he can do most of the stuff he used to and he's fit and healthy again. <br><br>Having said that, the " glucosamine guru " (Dr Theo) says that there is no evidence that MSM does anything and recommends people keep off it. I've heard the odd good story about it though...<br><br>Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2001 Report Share Posted May 1, 2001 Dr. Theo may be on the mark as far as I know but I do keep hearing/reading about people who are really big on MSM. " Larry King, " a popular TV interview show here had three one-time big name celebrites on for an hour a few months ago. One, Kulp I believe, was singing MSM's praises (got relief after years of suffering after neck surgery, and a pentathalete and a ice skater talking up Vioxx, who also claimed relief.<br><br>All three are now paid spokespeople for the products they were hawking. Kulp, who was influenced by Coburn, was especially pushing a lotion form of MSM, Lignisul. Probably more profitable for his company than pill/powder form which so many competitors also sell. But he might be sincere. <br><br>I have also read/heard several believable success stories. Mentioned my knee to the rental agent of my apartment complex just yesterday. She said, " Have you tried MSM? " She said it really took care of her mother's arthritis.<br><br>And one Mayo-Clinic trained doctor of mine is a believer.<br><br>Who knows, Joe? There is no incentive for the pharmaceutical companies to do big " double-blind, placebo-controlled " studies that would prove whether some of these " natural " remedies work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2001 Report Share Posted May 2, 2001 Yeh Tom, I'm very suspicious when people who endorse a product get payed for doing so. My manager at work says her mother takes MSM and it helps her. Coburn seemed pretty sincere to me. But maybe he would have got better anyway! Dunno!<br><br>Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2002 Report Share Posted March 1, 2002 In a message dated 3/1/02 9:50:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, mgentry@... writes: MSM Does MSM have sulphur? I am allergic to sulpher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2002 Report Share Posted March 1, 2002 , I took MSM for awhile and it didn't help my headaches at all. It has something to do with the cysteine levels in your body and how you tolerate sulfur. For most people it is probably great. It is better to buy the pure powder because the capsules have fillers. Also, I'm not sure how well individuals do on MSM who have mercury in their system. I recently had all mercury, metals and root canals removed from my mouth (called dental cleanup in holistic dental circles) and still have to chelate the metal from my organs. After that, maybe I can try MSM again. Marsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2002 Report Share Posted March 1, 2002 MSM is basically sulfur, but it is a form that is good for most bodies. I can point you to some good websites if you want to read about it. It isn't the same form as sulfites or sulfates. It's a healthy form, but if you're really allergic to all sulfur, it certainly wouldn't benefit you. Marsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2002 Report Share Posted March 31, 2002 I debated about whether to backchannel this or not. Maybe it will be of interest to others? Please elaborate on the MSM " pulling out minerals " . This is a new one on me. Zippy =================================================================== > I am going to start MSM and would like to know if powder or tablets > is the best form. Does the powder taste yucky?? General instructions > say to take it with meals, but I had heard that it pulls out minerals > and therefore should be taken an hour before a meal. Thanks if you > answer! > > Martha> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2002 Report Share Posted April 22, 2002 Hi All, Could someone tell me what MSM (Stop Pain) is and does. Have not heard of it here in Australia and or is there an alternative. Many thanks Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2002 Report Share Posted April 23, 2002 I had lunch yesterday with a guy who works for the State of Wisconsin inspecting dairy farms for compliance with state health laws. He told me that MSM is the same stuff as DSMO. It is more " refined " and supposed to be purer. Dairy farmers use the stuff here for warts in the hoofs of cows. He doesn't recommend it for human usage, however. And thinks it a joke with it being a " cure all " for everything. Just thought I would put that into the ring. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2002 Report Share Posted April 23, 2002 Hi Raven, Thanks for your reply. I take it that it would be the same as glucosamine, which we do have here. Actually my father takes it religiously and seizes when he doesn't. Suppose one could use the tablets & just pound them into powder form. So, would they work on the outside of the body as they do when taken internally? Cheers Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2002 Report Share Posted April 23, 2002 StopPain was the name of a product that one of my coworkers had that releaved muscle pain. The active ingredients were Menthol (6%), eucalyptus oil, peppermint oil, and water. I don't have my list in front of me but that was about it. I think there was one more item but I can't for the life of me remember what it was. I've slept and my brain got reset. I'm only in my early 30's PLEASE tell me this doesn't get worse! ********************************************************************* Hi All, Could someone tell me what MSM (Stop Pain) is and does. Have not heard of it here in Australia and or is there an alternative. Many thanks Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2002 Report Share Posted April 23, 2002 Hi Jane; I don't think that powdering up the tablets and putting them in a cream would work. The molecules would be too big for it to absorb into the skin. Even mineral oil has too big of molucules to be absorbed into the skin, it sinks into the pores and does a very good job of clogging them. I take the MSM in capsule form I take 4 capsules a day. Raven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2002 Report Share Posted June 27, 2002 Is a nutritional supplement that works for pain and allergy suffrers....and really does work....for the whole story on it would suggest you go to the Library an check out the book " The Miracle of MSM..the natural solution of pain " by Drs. and Lawrence...they have pioneered this for better then 20 years. You can also buy the book in the nigborhood of 12 bucks... at least where I live....proubly for less on the net...that is what I have/am doing...also the Tony site has lots of good info plus TRUE stories of what it can do... Charlie! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2002 Report Share Posted June 27, 2002 Thanks Charlie for the help...........Holly On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:02:21 -0700 (PDT) quiltinggranny@... writes: Is a nutritional supplement that works for pain and allergy suffrers....and really does work....for the whole story on it would suggest you go to the Library an check out the book " The Miracle of MSM..the natural solution of pain " by Drs. and Lawrence...they have pioneered this for better then 20 years. You can also buy the book in the nigborhood of 12 bucks... at least where I live....proubly for less on the net...that is what I have/am doing...also the Tony site has lots of good info plus TRUE stories of what it can do... Charlie! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2002 Report Share Posted December 8, 2002 Why don't you join the MSM group at MSM-DIY It is the best and they will answer all your questions, Cyn is great at keeping informed. Chris MSM > How much MSM should I use when making a cream? Can anyone help me? Thanks > > Donna K. Blea > Mountain Comforts > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2003 Report Share Posted April 2, 2003 hi and all - > Has anyone tried MSM powder for CFIDS? I did a search and I think it's > o.k. for me to try. yeah, didn't do anything for me, NAC does a lot more and for me has replaced the whey proteins (considerably cheaper too!) Judith G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2003 Report Share Posted April 2, 2003 Hi Tracey- I have to be careful of MSM, ALA, etc. as they can be very powerful cheatlors. For myself, sulphur and other chelating type supplements can be tough on my detox pathways if I am unable to excrete what may get loosened up. My Phase II detox functioning appears to be impaired which could explain why past attempts at using such product have produced problems. That plus the fact that I am loaded with metals, primarily mercury and aluminum. I still have 5 amalgams left to go. My enviro doc suggests that anyone attempting to start using such powerful products as MSM start very low and build very slowly. And of course finding a product without fillers can be important for sensitive people like me. Kathy From: Tracey Kristal <teejkay@...> Hi All, Has anyone tried MSM powder for CFIDS? I did a search and I think it's o.k. for me to try. Tracey --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.465 / Virus Database: 263 - Release Date: 3/25/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2003 Report Share Posted April 10, 2003 Hi Kathy, I'm supposed to have a test for my detox pathways soon. I took an 1/8 of a tsp. of MSM today and I very soon developed a bad headache and all of my sinuses filled up. It seems to be abating now, an hour later. Tracey polkadot wrote: >Hi Tracey- > >I have to be careful of MSM, ALA, etc. as they can be very powerful >cheatlors. For myself, sulphur and other chelating type supplements can be >tough on my detox pathways if I am unable to excrete what may get loosened >up. My Phase II detox functioning appears to be impaired which could >explain why past attempts at using such product have produced problems. >That plus the fact that I am loaded with metals, primarily mercury and >aluminum. I still have 5 amalgams left to go. > >My enviro doc suggests that anyone attempting to start using such powerful >products as MSM start very low and build very slowly. And of course finding >a product without fillers can be important for sensitive people like me. > >Kathy > > >From: Tracey Kristal <teejkay@...> >Hi All, >Has anyone tried MSM powder for CFIDS? I did a search and I think it's >o.k. for me to try. >Tracey > > > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.465 / Virus Database: 263 - Release Date: 3/25/2003 > > > >This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2003 Report Share Posted November 10, 2003 Hi Barbie, I'm not Rashelle, but I can answer that for you. I have a page that tells all about it. http://www.loaves-n-fishes.com/msm.htm I have a lot of brands listed. The brand I personally take each morning is the Rich's brand. I have used the granules and torpedo capsules. I am currently using the torpedo capsules. The reason I went with this particular brand is that this is the only product they manufacture. They were also the ones who pretty much started people being aware of the importance of MSN Hope this helps, Karma Tucker http://www.CatalogShoppingBusiness.com MSM > Hi Rashelle - > > In one of your posts you mentioned supplements you take... you mentioned MSM... can you tell me what that is? I've never heard of it before and wondered what that is for/how it is beneficial.... Thanks! > > Barbie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2003 Report Share Posted November 10, 2003 Thanks Karma, MSM has many purposes. It can help improve your skin and it is highly recommended for muscle and joint health. I saw my podiatrist the other day and asked him about a product Darlene had suggested to help with the feet and he suggested MSM. He said he tells all of his patients who have arthritis to use it. Take care, Rashelle The Body You Have Always Wanted is Coming Soon! What can changing the way you breathe do for you? Everything! Remember that it is oxygen that burns fat, tones muscle, reduces stress and increases strength and endurance. Want to find the fountain of youth? Then learn to breathe in the most efficient way possible with Life Lift! Click here to see why tens of thousands agree, Life Lift is the best! http://www.oxygenlift.net Life Lift is the Original Aerobic Breathing. MSM > Hi Rashelle - > > In one of your posts you mentioned supplements you take... you mentioned MSM... can you tell me what that is? I've never heard of it before and wondered what that is for/how it is beneficial.... Thanks! > > Barbie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2003 Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 It works well for dh and me, sure helps with those creeking joints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Some of MSM's essential functions in the body include maintaining the structure of the proteins in the body, helping the formation of keratin which is essential for hair and nail growth, aiding in the production of immunoglobulin which maintains the immune system, and catalyzing the chemical reactions which change food into energy. These functions often result in the following occurrences: a.. Inhibition of pain impulses along nerve fibers (analgesia) b.. Lessening of inflammation c.. Increase in blood supply d.. Reduction of muscle spasm e.. Softening of scar tissue Re: Re: emu oil > > >> >> >> >> You should make a cream out of it and MSM. This might make a difference >> in >> you fibromyalgia. I use it a lot for my shoulders. If you use a little >> IPM >> and Dimethicone you will find that the feel of it is greatly improved. >> It >> makes a wonderful cream or lotion. >> Chris >> >> >> Hi, >> >> I have some emu oil here that my Mum bought for me to help the pain >> in my hands due to fibromyalgia. I don't know exactly how much it >> cost her, but I think it was around $25 for 100ml. The woman who >> suggested it gave Mum the impression that it would make a huge >> difference for me and would practically heal me. >> >> I used it regularly for about a month, and there was no real >> improvement. I now only use it occasionally, when I have a >> particularly bad day. It doesn't stop the pain, but I feel better >> for having put it on and at least tried something. >> >> However, I have found one situation where it is fabulous. You know >> how your feet feel when you've been on them all day in uncomfortable >> shoes. Rub in a bit of emu oil and within about 10 minutes they >> feel better. >> >> It's not a particularly nice oil to use. It doesn't smell nice, and >> it's very greasy on your skin. I wont be using it in anything I >> make. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 I hope this answers your question. MSM is a naturally-occurring nutrient, a sulfur compound, found in normal human diets and the diet of all other vertebrates. Sulfur is an element present in all living organisms. It belongs in the same chemical family which includes oxygen. For organisms living in environments where there is no oxygen, sulfur often replaces oxygen as the source of chemical energy that drives life. It is not a pharmaceutical drug but a dietary supplement. Sulfur, the eighth most abundant element in the human body, has a long history as a healing agent. For centuries mankind has soaked in sulfur-rich, mineral hot springs to help heal a variety of ailments. While sulfur’s natural anti-inflammatory properties have shown benefits for a range of health problems, including arthritis, muscle and joint pain, much is still unknown about precisely how it works in the body. Without sulfur, life as we know it would not exist. Some of the essential functions that make sulfur possible for us to live include maintaining the structure of the proteins of the body, helping in the formation of keratin, which is essential for hair and nail growth, aiding in the production of immunoglobulin, which maintains the normal immune system, catalyzing the chemical reactions which change food into energy and neutralizing or eliminating toxins from the body. (Sulfur is needed to create/hold the molecular structure, particularly the sulfur amino acids: methionine, cysteine, taurine.) MSM and its related compounds provide the source of 85 percent of the sulfur found in all living organisms. The cycle of these naturally-occurring sulfur compounds begins in the ocean where microscopic plants called plankton release sulfur compounds. These salts are transformed in the ocean water into the very volatile compound dimethyl sulfide (DMS), which escapes from the ocean water as a gas. It then rises into the upper atmosphere where in the presence of ozone and high energy ultraviolet light, the DMS is converted into its cousins DMSO and MSM. Unlike the DMS, both DMSO (dimethyl sulfoxide) and MSM are soluble in water and when they return to the surface of the earth it is as rain. Plants take MSM rapidly into their root systems and concentrate it a hundredfold. MSM, and the sulfur it contains, is incorporated into the plant’s structure. Through plant metabolism the MSM, along with other sulfur compounds that it has spawned, is ultimately mineralized and transported back to the sea. Then the sulfur cycle begins again. Almost everyone in our modern society is deficient in MSM but with age the deficiency grows even more pronounced. What’s happening in our lives today is that we’re processing too many foods. The highest concentration of MSM is found in milk. MSM is a natural component of many fresh fruits, vegetables, seafood and meat. However, heat and processing reduce the MSM in foods. Onions, garlic, asparagus, cabbage, broccoli and Brussels sprouts are sulfur-rich foods, but not as rich as eggs and red peppers. Food preparation, like washing and steaming, also reduces the levels of MSM. The most efficient way to assure sufficient levels of MSM in the body, or to benefit from the therapeutic benefits, is to include it as a staple of one’s daily nutritional supplement program. MSM is available in capsules that can be taken with meals or in crystal form for mixing with drinks. It can also be purchased as a cream, lotion or gel and applied directly to the skin for additional relief from pain and inflammation. Although MSM is commonly characterized as a breakthrough remedy for people with osteoarthritis, its benefits extend beyond the treatment of chronic illnesses. In fact, in recent years athletes and fitness enthusiasts have begun to rely on MSM to reduce the pain, soreness and inflammation associated with injuries, strained or cramped muscles and over-extended joints. Many use MSM in ointment form to alleviate the pain of sprained ankles, elbows and shoulders, strained muscles and ligaments and tendon injuries. Experience shows that MSM is often so effective for pain relief that doctors are able to lower the dosage of medication they prescribe for patients. The end result is relief with fewer or no side effects that are frequently caused by prescription pain medications. It is also important to understand in that MSM is a naturally-occurring sulfur compound found in the body, it is not similar to inorganic sulfides, sulfites and sulfates to which many individuals are allergic. Another major natural health property of MSM is that it is excellent for preventing allergies. I would say that it is probably the most important substance we have had for the prevention of allergies since the advent of the antihistaminic agents, and that was over four decades ago. People taking MSM orally, or sometimes supplementing that with nose drops, will not have the conventional burning of the eyes or the running nose or the hoarseness associated with allergies to pollens, dust and molds. MSM also has anti-parasitic properties. We have studied the two most common parasites in the gastrointestinal tract. The giardia is a parasitic infection of the small intestine which causes poor absorption of nutrition in humans. It is the most frequent cause of water-carried diarrhea in the U.S. MSM is quite effective when taken orally in controlling the symptoms and fighting the invading organism. Many women complain of yeast infections, which are caused by a parasite called trichomonas. The symptoms include increased itching and discharge which may be malodorous and discolored. Both the topical and oral supplements are effective therapy. MSM helps to control hyperacidity/heartburn naturally. Patients who have used antacids and products like TagametÔ and ZantacÔ make themselves worse by becoming dependent upon them. MSM is a nutritional supplement that has been shown to be more effective in stabilizing the digestive process and environment in doses of 3000 mg per day. Researchers at Oregon Health Sciences University studied a strain of mice that were prone to the spontaneous development of joint lesions similar to those in rheumatoid arthritis. They found that animals that were fed a diet that included a three percent solution of MSM as drinking water, from two months to five months of age, suffered no degeneration of articular cartilage. In a control group of mice receiving only tap water, 50 percent of the animals were found to have a focal degeneration of articular cartilage. Of the 16 patents granted to MSM, one is for relief from snoring. Research at Oregon Health Sciences University on 35 subjects suffering from chronic snoring has shown that MSM, as a 16 percent water solution administered to each nostril 15 minutes before sleep, provided significant reduction in 80 percent of the subjects after one to four days of use. As a control, in eight patients showing relief with MSM, saline solution was substituted for MSM without their knowledge. Seven of eight patients resumed loud snoring. The change occurred within 24 hours of the substitution. After the MSM treatment was restored, these eight again showed a significant reduction of snoring. Many years of clinical use at Oregon Health Sciences University has demonstrated that MSM provides the following pain relief and anti-inflammatory benefits without serious side effects: Inhibition of pain impulses along nerve fibers (analgesia) Lessening of inflammation Increase in blood supply Reduction of muscle spasm Softening of scar tissue To date more than 12,000 patients have been treated at the university with Lignisul MSM at levels above two grams daily with no serious toxicity. About as toxic as water, even common table salt can be more toxic than MSM, which is a crystalline solid that is odorless, tasteless and readily dissolves in water. We recently completed a double-blind, placebo-controlled, pilot trial showing that 100 percent of the subjects on Lignisul MSM (methyl-sulfonyl-methane) increased hair growth, compared to the group on placebo. Only one subject on placebo showed an increase in hair length. In addition, 30 percent of the subjects on Lignisul showed improvement in hair brilliance, while none of the subjects on placebo showed such an improvement. A second double-blind, placebo-controlled, pilot trial, conducted simultaneously, showed that 50 percent of the subjects on Lignisul MSM showed increased nail length and nail thickness growth compared to the group on placebo. Approximately 10 percent of those on placebo showed increased nail length growth. None of the subjects on placebo showed an increase in nail thickness. Based on the results of the two trials, we concluded that oral supplementation with Lignisul MSM is a valuable addition to hair and nail growth. Hair and nail health was significantly improved in a short term of six weeks. The hair trial involved a total of 21 patients – five women and 16 men. Data was collected by certified cosmetologists under my direction. The trial parameters included hair length, brilliance and diameter of the individual hair shafts using industry standard measurement scales. The nail trial involved a total of 11 subjects – 10 women and one man. Again data was collected by certified cosmetologists. Trial parameters included nail length, thickness, luster and general appearance using industry standard measurement scales. All subjects supplemented with Lignisul MSM were duly impressed with the changes in the health and appearance of their hair. The cosmetologists literally could differentiate which participants were on MSM by the appearance of the hair alone after six weeks. _____ While researchers make no claim for cures, as a food supplement or dietary ingredient the following conditions seen in the clinic have responded to oral Lignisul MSM. Allergies Arthritis Acne Cancer: breast, colon Hyperacidity/heartburn Constipation Burns (thermal) Brittle/soft nails Diabetes Eye health Hypersensitivity to drugs Insect bites Lung disease Lupus Mental acuity Muscle soreness/pain Oral dental health Parasites Rheumatoid arthritis Scar tissue Snoring Skin, hair and nails Stress Sunburn Joint health – MSM combined with glucosamine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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