Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 Trudeau has a book out where he used injectable chorionic gonadatrophin to lose considerable weight not sure about it, but it is an idea and one would have to talk to a doc to have it prescribed for them... From: Penny on <goldenserenity7@...> Subject: Re: HGH Coconut Oil Date: Friday, February 4, 2011, 10:03 AM Â When I was doing what I could to lose weight and NOTHING worked, my doctor suggested HGH injections. He informed me that it is a way for the body to reset the metabolism. He said that sometimes when people yo yo diet like I had in the past... they need something like this to jump start the body back to where it should be. He was not promoting it just because he had nothing better to promote, but because all avenues we had tried were not working. ~Penny -- I question the wisdom of any of the isolated elements such as hormones. It would seem to me that this is a way to throw our bodies out of balance attempting a quick fix rather than working with nutrition and whole food supplements to bring our bodies into balance. There may be a situation in which HGH would be desirable, but to take it just because someone is selling it does not strike me as one of them. Deepak Chopra, the mind body genius, talks about it a lot on one of his tapes. He does not think taking it is safe or advisable. If our body pharmacy makes it, that's a different story....keeping our bodies balanced and functioning optimally is the way to create it naturally. Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 If the primary underlying issue is from a higher energy level - emotional or spiritual- there's *nothing* available to address this at the chemical/molecular level. .. The rule that governs the hierarchy in our Energy Field dictates it. That is way so many people cannot lose weight. The same goes for any serious disease. Our lack of success in treating Cancer, M.S. etc. is because we are trying to treat problems from higher energy levels (that manifest as physical illness), with lower energy level therapies. Blessings to all, Nick On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Don <hooty304@...> wrote: > > > Trudeau has a book out where he used > injectable chorionic gonadatrophin to lose considerable weight > not sure about it, but it is an idea and one would have to talk to a doc > to have it prescribed for them... > > > > From: Penny on <goldenserenity7@...<goldenserenity7%40gmail.com> > > > Subject: Re: HGH > To: Coconut Oil <Coconut Oil%40> > Date: Friday, February 4, 2011, 10:03 AM > > > > When I was doing what I could to lose weight and NOTHING worked, my doctor > > suggested HGH injections. He informed me that it is a way for the body to > > reset the metabolism. He said that sometimes when people yo yo diet like I > > had in the past... they need something like this to jump start the body > back > > to where it should be. He was not promoting it just because he had nothing > > better to promote, but because all avenues we had tried were not working. > > ~Penny > > -- > > I question the wisdom of any of the isolated elements such as hormones. > > It would seem to me that this is a way to throw our bodies out of balance > > attempting a quick fix rather than working with nutrition and whole food > > supplements to bring our bodies into balance. There may be a situation in > > which HGH would be desirable, but to take it just because someone is > selling > > it does not strike me as one of them. > > Deepak Chopra, the mind body genius, talks about it a lot on one of his > > tapes. He does not think taking it is safe or advisable. If our body > > pharmacy makes it, that's a different story....keeping our bodies balanced > > and functioning optimally is the way to create it naturally. > > Carol > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 Wait a minute Nick, -- in terms of the 800 elderly people in the HGH group who did not get cancer, while normal cancer was seen in the controls, there is a huge disparity. I doubt the spiritual health of the control group was that much worse than the HGH group, as both groups were blinded to the study. So, in this case it seems the HGH therapy is stronger than or independent of the higher energy level that may have thwarted their therapy? Or that the energies are corrected by the HGH therapy, which would seem on the face of it to contradict your statement that 'nothing' would work? all good, Duncan > > If the primary underlying issue is from a higher energy level - emotional or > spiritual- there's *nothing* available to address this at the > chemical/molecular level. > . > The rule that governs the hierarchy in our Energy Field dictates it. > That is way so many people cannot lose weight. > > The same goes for any serious disease. > Our lack of success in treating Cancer, M.S. etc. is because we are trying > to treat problems from higher energy levels (that manifest as physical > illness), with lower energy level therapies. > > Blessings to all, > Nick > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 While I don't dispute that there's a lot of positive info on HGH, the most questionable thing that I observed is that there are Hundreds of websites selling HGH, all quoting *word by word* the same information as follows: " All indications are there HGH supplements do not cause cancer. The best evidence for this comes from the work of Dr. Chen and Dr. Terry who run a clinic where they perform HGH injections. From 1994 - 1996 they treated over 800 patients with HGH injections. Amazingly there have not been any reports of cancer from any of the patients. As Dr. Terry stated in *Grow Young with HGH*, " With 800 people over the age of about 40, you would think that given normal incidence rate of cancer, some of these people would get cancer. It could be that there is some sort of protective effect from growth hormone replacement. " It just sounds like advertising. There are no independent opinions from anyone in these websites. They are using canned info, strictly for selling purposes. At least you make an elaborate presentation with facts and analysis , showing the health benefits of HGH. It would be interesting to get updated information on the status of the original 800 people in that HGH group, wouldn't it? My opinion still is that, if *the* *cause of cancer is rooted in the mental and emotional* *system* , the patient cannot get healed with just nutrients or drugs. Of course with any molecular level therapy, the cancer can potentially go into remission, the patient buys some time time and should the emotional issue get resolved, only then the cancer disappears. Otherwise it just comes back. And that has been oncology's biggest issue. " German New Medicine " is an intergrated cancer approach and most likely the one with the highest cure rates. -The originator, Dr. Hamer has studied and documented tens of thousands of cancer cases and cured thousands.- The interaction of the 3 levels that make up the human organism - The psyche, the brain and the organ- are used along with universal principals relating psychological with biological events are the basis for its diagnostic abilities and its therapeutic discipline. However, the success of GNM is perceived as a threat by the established profession, so who knows. So far the GNM seminars held in Canada and the U.S.A. every year are still on. And usually they sell out. Now they have added online seminars. Interesting to look into. All good for now, Blessings to all, Nick On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote: > > > Wait a minute Nick, -- in terms of the 800 elderly people in the HGH group > who did not get cancer, while normal cancer was seen in the controls, there > is a huge disparity. > > I doubt the spiritual health of the control group was that much worse than > the HGH group, as both groups were blinded to the study. > > So, in this case it seems the HGH therapy is stronger than or independent > of the higher energy level that may have thwarted their therapy? Or that the > energies are corrected by the HGH therapy, which would seem on the face of > it to contradict your statement that 'nothing' would work? > > all good, > > Duncan > > > > > > > If the primary underlying issue is from a higher energy level - emotional > or > > spiritual- there's *nothing* available to address this at the > > chemical/molecular level. > > . > > The rule that governs the hierarchy in our Energy Field dictates it. > > That is way so many people cannot lose weight. > > > > The same goes for any serious disease. > > Our lack of success in treating Cancer, M.S. etc. is because we are > trying > > to treat problems from higher energy levels (that manifest as physical > > illness), with lower energy level therapies. > > > > Blessings to all, > > Nick > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 In my not-so-humble-opinion, that is just a mess of misleading bull droppings. One is free to tap-into New Agey mental games if one chooses to do so, but in my observations over the past 35 years or so, folks who did not fuel their bio-chemical engines properly get sick and stay sick, no matter how much they meditate, pray, or go to expensive workshops to assist them to tune-into " higher energy levels " . I once knew a vegan who died of mouth cancer at age 40 who believed she could beat the cancer because she was a spiritual person. Someone once sent me a book which claimed that the reason people were sexually abused, got sick, or had severe money problems were all caused by their own negative attitudes. Hogwash! That is just a New-Agey version of victim blaming. http://www.crcvc.ca/docs/victim_blaming.pdf Now, in times of distress, I feel that centering myself and tapping into internal and higher energies assists me to make better decisions about my health needs, but that does not mean I should not spend many hours on-line looking for appropriate vitamins, minerals, herbs, etc., and more healthy lifestyle choices to lead me to recovery from the problem. Since this is a post about spiritual connections, let me write a bit about how I evaluate a new supplement. I read a lot. Then I pay attention to my dreams. If my dreams nudge me to give the new supplement a try, I buy a 1 month supply (assuming I can afford to do so), then pay more attention to my dreams. By the end of the month, I either re-order the supplement, or I don't -- based on both my rational evaluation of changes over the previous month as well as intimations I pick up from my dreams. Alobar On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Nickolas Schetakis <eftnow@...> wrote: > If the primary underlying issue is from a higher energy level - emotional > or > spiritual- there's *nothing* available to address this at the > chemical/molecular level. > . > The rule that governs the hierarchy in our Energy Field dictates it. > That is way so many people cannot lose weight. > > The same goes for any serious disease. > Our lack of success in treating Cancer, M.S. etc. is because we are trying > to treat problems from higher energy levels (that manifest as physical > illness), with lower energy level therapies. > > Blessings to all, > Nick > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 Nick: Less than 1 in 800 people with mental issues driving their illness seems to be a kind of low figure in our society, wouldn't you agree? Just perhaps the treatment group's increased well being, known to be associated with HGH therapy, may have had a lot to do with their lack of mental issues? If so, HGH therapy would seem to be a real good approach to restore someone's well being in addition to preventing cancer, before we even get to mental therapy. That is, 100% effectiveness as a well being increaser and cancer preventer on 800 people seems good enough to merit a closer look even on its own. Independent opinions on HGH therapy are found in the research in addition to the marketing websites. Marketing websites always add sparkle and shine, but the research data is the same for everyone. all good, Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 Hi Nick, you said: > . . . . . My opinion still is that, if *the* *cause of cancer is rooted in > the mental and emotional* *system* , the patient cannot get healed with > just nutrients or drugs. Of course with any molecular . . . . . . > patient buys some time and should the emotional issue get resolved, only > then the cancer disappears. Otherwise it just comes back. And that has > been oncology's biggest issue. COMMENT: The physics of energy prove that you are absolutely correct. 'Dis'ease begins in the mental and/or emotionsl body(ies) before it manifests in the physical body. The physical body is the most dense of our four main bodies (spiritual, mental, emotional, physical) and imbalances will get stuck there and present as symptoms of a disease. To get to the root cause of any disease, one needs to address the mental and/or emotional bodies. However, in most cases, complete healing needs to take a two-pronged approach. One needs to heal the physical body in order to preserve it, in order to remain on the earthplane, in order to do whatever it is the individual is here to do. The mental/emotional issues can be addressed at the same time, or at a future date when the physical body can maintain a relative state of homeostasis while dealing with the root cause (in the mental/emotional body). If the mental/emotional issues are left 'undone', 'dis'ease will surface again . . . . sometimes, as the same symptoms; sometimes, as something else. So, someone can keep getting sick - but, in different ways - if the root cause is not addressed. What seems to be unknown to those who are focused on physical healing is that the root cause issue originates in another body of the being. So, while there may be effective physical healing, the total being is not (yet) healed . . . and, the physical body will suffer again (and again, and again) as a result. On the flip side of that, one can address and heal the root cause, and still the patient dies. The physical body may be too far gone to bring it back into balance even though the mental/emotional bodies are now in good/better/great shape. you said: > " German New Medicine " is an intergrated cancer approach and most likely > the > one with the highest cure rates. . . . . . of the 3 levels that make > up the human organism - The > psyche, the brain and the organ- are used > along with universal principals relating psychological with biological events are the basis for its diagnostic . . . . the GNM seminars held in Canada and the U.S.A. every year are still > on. And usually they sell out. Now they have added online seminars. COMMENT: I know only enough about GNM to believe that Dr. Hamer is on the right track. How do I find out more about online GNM seminars? AHZ > On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote: >> >> Wait a minute Nick, -- in terms of the 800 elderly people in the HGH >> group >> who did not get cancer, while normal cancer was seen in the controls, >> there >> is a huge disparity. >> >> I doubt the spiritual health of the control group was that much worse >> than >> the HGH group, as both groups were blinded to the study. >> >> So, in this case it seems the HGH therapy is stronger than or independent >> of the higher energy level that may have thwarted their therapy? Or that >> the >> energies are corrected by the HGH therapy, which would seem on the face >> of >> it to contradict your statement that 'nothing' would work? >> >> all good, >> >> Duncan >> >> >> >> > >> > If the primary underlying issue is from a higher energy level - >> > emotional >> or >> > spiritual- there's *nothing* available to address this at the >> > chemical/molecular level. >> > . >> > The rule that governs the hierarchy in our Energy Field dictates it. >> > That is way so many people cannot lose weight. >> > >> > The same goes for any serious disease. >> > Our lack of success in treating Cancer, M.S. etc. is because we are >> trying >> > to treat problems from higher energy levels (that manifest as physical >> > illness), with lower energy level therapies. >> > >> > Blessings to all, >> > Nick >> > >> >> >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 Hi Anne. The Toronto Level 1 was Jan.31st. The U.S. locations and dates are T.B.A. For information on location of all the seminars and dates please contact: seminar@... Hope this helps, Nick On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Anne Zipkes <acutez@...> wrote: > > > Hi Nick, > > you said: > > . . . . . My opinion still is that, if *the* *cause of cancer is rooted > in > > the mental and emotional* *system* , the patient cannot get healed with > > just nutrients or drugs. Of course with any molecular . . . . . . > > patient buys some time and should the emotional issue get resolved, only > > then the cancer disappears. Otherwise it just comes back. And that has > > been oncology's biggest issue. > > COMMENT: > The physics of energy prove that you are absolutely correct. 'Dis'ease > begins in the mental and/or emotionsl body(ies) before it manifests in the > physical body. The physical body is the most dense of our four main bodies > (spiritual, mental, emotional, physical) and imbalances will get stuck > there > and present as symptoms of a disease. To get to the root cause of any > disease, one needs to address the mental and/or emotional bodies. However, > in most cases, complete healing needs to take a two-pronged approach. One > needs to heal the physical body in order to preserve it, in order to remain > > on the earthplane, in order to do whatever it is the individual is here to > do. The mental/emotional issues can be addressed at the same time, or at a > future date when the physical body can maintain a relative state of > homeostasis while dealing with the root cause (in the mental/emotional > body). > > If the mental/emotional issues are left 'undone', 'dis'ease will surface > again . . . . sometimes, as the same symptoms; sometimes, as something > else. > So, someone can keep getting sick - but, in different ways - if the root > cause is not addressed. What seems to be unknown to those who are focused > on physical healing is that the root cause issue originates in another body > > of the being. So, while there may be effective physical healing, the total > being is not (yet) healed . . . and, the physical body will suffer again > (and again, and again) as a result. > > On the flip side of that, one can address and heal the root cause, and > still > the patient dies. The physical body may be too far gone to bring it back > into balance even though the mental/emotional bodies are now in > good/better/great shape. > > > you said: > > " German New Medicine " is an intergrated cancer approach and most likely > > the > one with the highest cure rates. . . . . . of the 3 levels that > make > > up the human organism - The > psyche, the brain and the organ- are used > > along with universal principals > relating psychological with biological events are the basis for its > diagnostic . . . . the GNM seminars held in Canada and the U.S.A. every > year are still > on. And usually they sell out. Now they have added online > seminars. > > COMMENT: > I know only enough about GNM to believe that Dr. Hamer is on the right > track. How do I find out more about online GNM seminars? > > AHZ > > > > On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...<duncancrow%40>> > wrote: > >> > >> Wait a minute Nick, -- in terms of the 800 elderly people in the HGH > >> group > >> who did not get cancer, while normal cancer was seen in the controls, > >> there > >> is a huge disparity. > >> > >> I doubt the spiritual health of the control group was that much worse > >> than > >> the HGH group, as both groups were blinded to the study. > >> > >> So, in this case it seems the HGH therapy is stronger than or > independent > >> of the higher energy level that may have thwarted their therapy? Or that > > >> the > >> energies are corrected by the HGH therapy, which would seem on the face > >> of > >> it to contradict your statement that 'nothing' would work? > >> > >> all good, > >> > >> Duncan > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > If the primary underlying issue is from a higher energy level - > >> > emotional > >> or > >> > spiritual- there's *nothing* available to address this at the > >> > chemical/molecular level. > >> > . > >> > The rule that governs the hierarchy in our Energy Field dictates it. > >> > That is way so many people cannot lose weight. > >> > > >> > The same goes for any serious disease. > >> > Our lack of success in treating Cancer, M.S. etc. is because we are > >> trying > >> > to treat problems from higher energy levels (that manifest as physical > >> > illness), with lower energy level therapies. > >> > > >> > Blessings to all, > >> > Nick > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Have you ever studied Physics in college? I studied physics. And what you wrote below makes absolutely no sense to me pertaining to Physics. Alobar On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Anne Zipkes <acutez@...> wrote: > The physics of energy prove that you are absolutely correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Perhaps she was speaking about quantum physics rather than Newtonian physics. On Feb 6, 2011, at 3:50 AM, Alobar wrote: > Have you ever studied Physics in college? I studied physics. And > what you wrote below makes absolutely no sense to me pertaining to > Physics. > > Alobar > > On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Anne Zipkes <acutez@...> > wrote: > >> The physics of energy prove that you are absolutely correct. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Quantum physics still pertains to the physical universe, not metaphysical realms. Energy is measurable with lab equipment. To say something is " proven " when there is no proof means not much of anything. Alobar On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 7:15 AM, cathylynn2 <cathybuckley@...> wrote: > Perhaps she was speaking about quantum physics rather than Newtonian > physics. > > > > On Feb 6, 2011, at 3:50 AM, Alobar wrote: > >> Have you ever studied Physics in college? I studied physics. And >> what you wrote below makes absolutely no sense to me pertaining to >> Physics. >> >> Alobar >> >> On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Anne Zipkes <acutez@...> >> wrote: >> >>> The physics of energy prove that you are absolutely correct. >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Quantum physics is the physics of possibility and potential. I think that was the point she was making in relation to the healing process. On Feb 6, 2011, at 5:41 AM, Alobar wrote: > Quantum physics still pertains to the physical universe, not > metaphysical realms. Energy is measurable with lab equipment. To say > something is " proven " when there is no proof means not much of > anything. > > Alobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Hi Alobar, No I've never studied physics. I'm referring to quantum physics . . . . with respect to working with archetypal energy. I'm sorry I don't have references or source materials. Many of those details have been forgotten over the years. AHZ > > > The physics of energy prove that you are absolutely correct. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Alobar, Do a google for Bruce Lipton for an understanding of what Ann is talking about. Not being a physicist I can't say whether I believe it or not but much of the Tapping enthusiasts swear by it. Dr. Mercola is one but there are many others. Lipton has an interesting video on it's realationship to quantum physics here: http://oneminuteshift.com/videos/bruce_lipton/healing_perceptions Lipton is a cellular biologist. Best, Dee > > Hi Alobar, > > No I've never studied physics. I'm referring to quantum physics . . . . with respect to working with archetypal energy. I'm sorry I don't have references or source materials. Many of those details have been forgotten over the years. > > AHZ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Actually, the following link is a much better (and longer) explanation than the very short one I gave below. It's free but you have to sign your first name and email address in order to have access to it. Dee > > > > Hi Alobar, > > > > No I've never studied physics. I'm referring to quantum physics . . . . with respect to working with archetypal energy. I'm sorry I don't have references or source materials. Many of those details have been forgotten over the years. > > > > AHZ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Oops - I forgot to give you the link: http://www.2011tappingworldsummit.com/tws/BruceLipton_n.php Dee > > > > > > Hi Alobar, > > > > > > No I've never studied physics. I'm referring to quantum physics . . . . with respect to working with archetypal energy. I'm sorry I don't have references or source materials. Many of those details have been forgotten over the years. > > > > > > AHZ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Making an anogy is *NOT* proof of anything. I am used to such analogies. I even make them myself. But they do not *prove* anything. They are just an attempt to make a concept more accessible to folks who are not on the same metaphysical wavelength (which is, in itself, an analogy). But when someone uses an analogy as though it were a proven fact, such analogies can be very misleading. For an analogy does not prove anything. Alobar On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 10:01 AM, cathylynn2 <cathybuckley@...> wrote: > Quantum physics is the physics of possibility and potential. I think > that was the point she was making in relation to the healing process. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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