Guest guest Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Stop after one dose? I think I would try it for a few days... and, as everyone says, drink lots of water. ________________________________ From: lizz7711 <lizz7711@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Sat, October 1, 2011 8:46:50 AM Subject: MSM headache Well, I had a 1/8 tsp of MSM last night, first time to try it, and this morning i've got a headache. I never get headaches unlesss it's food related, so i'm quite certain its the MSM. Not surprised, since i'm super-sensitive to things...and I know I do have a high level of mercury in my brain. Should I keep taking it, or am I just moving mercury around and causing more problems for myself? I'll check also w/ the frequent chelation group since they are super knowledgeable about heavy metal detox. Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Liz, There are a number of ways to chelate mercury and other metals out of the brain, but the safest and one of the most effective I've found is liquid zeolite. The dose is 10 drops three times daily for one month. Along with that I would consume a tablespoon full of chlorella daily as this helps remove mercury from the intestinal tract too. I used NCD (Natural Cellular Defense by Waiora) for my zeolite, but there are other brands that probably work as well. Good luck. Bob MSM headache > Well, I had a 1/8 tsp of MSM last night, first time to try it, and this > morning i've got a headache. I never get headaches unlesss it's food > related, so i'm quite certain its the MSM. Not surprised, since i'm > super-sensitive to things...and I know I do have a high level of mercury > in my brain. Should I keep taking it, or am I just moving mercury around > and causing more problems for myself? I'll check also w/ the frequent > chelation group since they are super knowledgeable about heavy metal > detox. > > Liz > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 This could also be part of a healing process where your body is dumping toxins... Perhaps i would suggest continuing - no soda / diet soda or coffee - but just good clean pure water - free of fluoride and chlorine to facilitate flushing out toxins...and make sure you are eliminating 2 ~ 3 times a day...or as we say - keep the bowel open and working. All the while going slowly - not increasing what you are taking, but listening to your body... I have access to a great probiotic that is not degraded by stomach acid...most are. That can heal a leaky gut issue as well. d ________________________________ From: Cody <lecody2001@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 8:56 AM Subject: Re: MSM headache  Stop after one dose? I think I would try it for a few days... and, as everyone says, drink lots of water. ________________________________ From: lizz7711 <lizz7711@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Sat, October 1, 2011 8:46:50 AM Subject: MSM headache Well, I had a 1/8 tsp of MSM last night, first time to try it, and this morning i've got a headache. I never get headaches unlesss it's food related, so i'm quite certain its the MSM. Not surprised, since i'm super-sensitive to things...and I know I do have a high level of mercury in my brain. Should I keep taking it, or am I just moving mercury around and causing more problems for myself? I'll check also w/ the frequent chelation group since they are super knowledgeable about heavy metal detox. Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Liz For what its worth Ive read that de is excellent in pulling mercury out. mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 What is the probiotic please? > > This could also be part of a healing process where your body is dumping toxins... > Perhaps i would suggest continuing - no soda / diet soda or coffee - but just good clean pure water - > > free of fluoride and chlorine to facilitate flushing out toxins...and make sure you are eliminating > > 2 ~ 3 times a day...or as we say - keep the bowel open and working. > All the while going slowly - not increasing what you are taking, but listening to your body... > I have access to a great probiotic that is not degraded by stomach acid...most are. > That can heal a leaky gut issue as well. > > d > > > > ________________________________ > From: Cody <lecody2001@...> > Coconut Oil > Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 8:56 AM > Subject: Re: MSM headache > > > Â > Stop after one dose? I think I would try it for a few days... and, as everyone > says, drink lots of water. > > > > ________________________________ > From: lizz7711 <lizz7711@...> > Coconut Oil > Sent: Sat, October 1, 2011 8:46:50 AM > Subject: MSM headache > > Well, I had a 1/8 tsp of MSM last night, first time to try it, and this morning > i've got a headache. I never get headaches unlesss it's food related, so i'm > quite certain its the MSM. Not surprised, since i'm super-sensitive to > things...and I know I do have a high level of mercury in my brain. Should I > keep taking it, or am I just moving mercury around and causing more problems for > myself? I'll check also w/ the frequent chelation group since they are > super knowledgeable about heavy metal detox. > > Liz > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 I will respond off list to you... ________________________________ From: kairaepery <kairaepery@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 11:26 AM Subject: Re: MSM headache  What is the probiotic please? > > This could also be part of a healing process where your body is dumping toxins... > Perhaps i would suggest continuing - no soda / diet soda or coffee - but just good clean pure water - > > free of fluoride and chlorine to facilitate flushing out toxins...and make sure you are eliminating > > 2 ~ 3 times a day...or as we say - keep the bowel open and working. > All the while going slowly - not increasing what you are taking, but listening to your body... > I have access to a great probiotic that is not degraded by stomach acid...most are. > That can heal a leaky gut issue as well. > > d > > > > ________________________________ > From: Cody <lecody2001@...> > Coconut Oil > Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 8:56 AM > Subject: Re: MSM headache > > >  > Stop after one dose? I think I would try it for a few days... and, as everyone > says, drink lots of water. > > > > ________________________________ > From: lizz7711 <lizz7711@...> > Coconut Oil > Sent: Sat, October 1, 2011 8:46:50 AM > Subject: MSM headache > > Well, I had a 1/8 tsp of MSM last night, first time to try it, and this morning > i've got a headache. I never get headaches unlesss it's food related, so i'm > quite certain its the MSM. Not surprised, since i'm super-sensitive to > things...and I know I do have a high level of mercury in my brain. Should I > keep taking it, or am I just moving mercury around and causing more problems for > myself? I'll check also w/ the frequent chelation group since they are > super knowledgeable about heavy metal detox. > > Liz > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 On 2011-10-01 10:17 AM, Don <hooty304@...> wrote: > and make sure you are eliminating 2 ~ 3 times a day...or as we say - > keep the bowel open and working. Critical for health in any case... and best way to accomplish this I have found is Inulin+Whey+Selenium, and homemade raw milk kefir (4-8oz per day)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 On 2011-10-01 10:50 AM, michaelinde <michaelinde@...> wrote: > For what its worth Ive read that de is excellent in pulling mercury out. I would question that claim, but don't know for certain it is incorrect. I do know for certain that any of the quality healing clays will pull it out - one reason why I take activated charcoal/clay slurries daily (charcoal for chemicals like pesticides, etc, and clay for heavy metals)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 How do you make your slurry? ________________________________ From: Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Sat, October 1, 2011 3:04:09 PM Subject: Re: Re: MSM headache On 2011-10-01 10:50 AM, michaelinde <michaelinde@...> wrote: > For what its worth Ive read that de is excellent in pulling mercury out. I would question that claim, but don't know for certain it is incorrect. I do know for certain that any of the quality healing clays will pull it out - one reason why I take activated charcoal/clay slurries daily (charcoal for chemicals like pesticides, etc, and clay for heavy metals)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Most likely Jarisch-Herxheimer Reaction. Is the source verified reliable and safe? Can you take it in micro-doses throughout the day? I would muscle test for safety and dosage, just to be on the safe side. Cheers, Niko On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 8:46 AM, lizz7711 <lizz7711@...> wrote: > ** > > > Well, I had a 1/8 tsp of MSM last night, first time to try it, and this > morning i've got a headache. I never get headaches unlesss it's food > related, so i'm quite certain its the MSM. Not surprised, since i'm > super-sensitive to things...and I know I do have a high level of mercury in > my brain. Should I keep taking it, or am I just moving mercury around and > causing more problems for myself? I'll check also w/ the frequent chelation > group since they are super knowledgeable about heavy metal detox. > > Liz > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 thanks Bob, I actually have some zeolite leftover from stuff we tried on my Dad last year. Problem w/ chlorella is it's not a true chelator, and I've also got an amalgam tattoo still in my mouth...so they say you should not try to chelate until all mercury is out or you'll just be moving the mercury around and possibly causing more problems for yourself (or new ones anyway as the mercury moves and aggravates some other system). It's tricky business, getting these heavy metals out, and many different theories and experiences out there, but i'm leaning toward the more cautious/conservative side given how quickly I react to things - I know the mercury and other metal load in my system if pretty high. So, once I get the tattoo removed (it's where when they're putting in a filling, they slice your gum and mercury gets trapped underneath the flesh), I can look at using the zeolite or DMSA. I should probably back off the MSM until then...but I will give it a couple more tries, just to be sure it's the MSM and not a random occurence (not likely). Liz > > Liz, > > There are a number of ways to chelate mercury and other metals out of > the brain, but the safest and one of the most effective I've found is liquid > zeolite. The dose is 10 drops three times daily for one month. Along with > that I would consume a tablespoon full of chlorella daily as this helps > remove mercury from the intestinal tract too. I used NCD (Natural Cellular > Defense by Waiora) for my zeolite, but there are other brands that probably > work as well. Good luck. > > Bob > MSM headache > > > > Well, I had a 1/8 tsp of MSM last night, first time to try it, and this > > morning i've got a headache. I never get headaches unlesss it's food > > related, so i'm quite certain its the MSM. Not surprised, since i'm > > super-sensitive to things...and I know I do have a high level of mercury > > in my brain. Should I keep taking it, or am I just moving mercury around > > and causing more problems for myself? I'll check also w/ the frequent > > chelation group since they are super knowledgeable about heavy metal > > detox. > > > > Liz > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Hi Don, I do drink clean water, and am taking inulin and selenium (can't do the whey due to dairy issues)...can't say I " go " more than once a day though , at least at this time. I do need to increase my water intake...have cut back to 50/50 coffee, working on stopping it altogther. I just bought PB8 probiotic...which one do you use? Liz > > This could also be part of a healing process where your body is dumping toxins... > Perhaps i would suggest continuing - no soda / diet soda or coffee - but just good clean pure water - > > free of fluoride and chlorine to facilitate flushing out toxins...and make sure you are eliminating > > 2 ~ 3 times a day...or as we say - keep the bowel open and working. > All the while going slowly - not increasing what you are taking, but listening to your body... > I have access to a great probiotic that is not degraded by stomach acid...most are. > That can heal a leaky gut issue as well. > > d > > > > ________________________________ > From: Cody <lecody2001@...> > Coconut Oil > Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 8:56 AM > Subject: Re: MSM headache > > > Â > Stop after one dose? I think I would try it for a few days... and, as everyone > says, drink lots of water. > > > > ________________________________ > From: lizz7711 <lizz7711@...> > Coconut Oil > Sent: Sat, October 1, 2011 8:46:50 AM > Subject: MSM headache > > Well, I had a 1/8 tsp of MSM last night, first time to try it, and this morning > i've got a headache. I never get headaches unlesss it's food related, so i'm > quite certain its the MSM. Not surprised, since i'm super-sensitive to > things...and I know I do have a high level of mercury in my brain. Should I > keep taking it, or am I just moving mercury around and causing more problems for > myself? I'll check also w/ the frequent chelation group since they are > super knowledgeable about heavy metal detox. > > Liz > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Hi Niko, the one I got is made by Labs...pretty reliable source i'd say. I'm going to skip today, then take again tomorrow...maybe do as you said and just do an even smaller amount a couple times in the day. thanks, Liz > > > ** > > > > > > Well, I had a 1/8 tsp of MSM last night, first time to try it, and this > > morning i've got a headache. I never get headaches unlesss it's food > > related, so i'm quite certain its the MSM. Not surprised, since i'm > > super-sensitive to things...and I know I do have a high level of mercury in > > my brain. Should I keep taking it, or am I just moving mercury around and > > causing more problems for myself? I'll check also w/ the frequent chelation > > group since they are super knowledgeable about heavy metal detox. > > > > Liz > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 Hi Bob: I agree Bob... zeolites work very well for this in my experience. However, Waiora has to be the most expensive form out there, plus, it was not a part of the test done several years ago in which they used natural dried zeolites with such good results. Jim >Liz, There are a number of ways to chelate mercury and other metals out of the brain, but the safest and one of the most effective I've found is liquid zeolite. The dose is 10 drops three times daily for one month. Along with that I would consume a tablespoon full of chlorella daily as this helps remove mercury from the intestinal tract too. I used NCD (Natural Cellular Defense by Waiora) for my zeolite, but there are other brands that probably work as well. Good luck. Bob< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 Natural dried bentonite clay adsorbed considerably more radioactive cesium then zeolite in this research: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ep.10452/pdf I think Jim is on to something also with bulk dry zeolite. Both clays are primarily aluminum silicate. (quote) " Natural " Powdered Clinoptilolite Zeolite ETS Zeolite is the best way to reverse heavy metal toxicity! It is the single most effective means of removing radiation from the body. ETSZeolite has an Unmatched Cation Exchange Capacity Rating of 180 meq per 100g. and is the most cost effective zeolite available today. http://www.etszeolite.com/?gclid=CNTOlJmby6sCFRdTgwodXgHn0g all good, Duncan > > Hi Bob: > > I agree Bob... zeolites work very well for this in my experience. > However, Waiora has to be the most expensive form out there, plus, it > was not a part of the test done several years ago in which they used > natural dried zeolites with such good results. > > Jim > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 On 2011-10-02 4:27 PM, Huuman <huuman60@...> wrote: > I agree Bob... zeolites work very well for this in my experience. > However, Waiora has to be the most expensive form out there, plus, it > was not a part of the test done several years ago in which they used > natural dried zeolites with such good results. Interesting... zeolite is something else I've been curious about, but always considered it overhyped (maybe because most of the ones I've looked at were very expensive)... Which one do you recommend Jim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 I found this at amazon.. http://www.amazon.com/Zeolite-100%25-Natural-Powder-16oz/dp/B0055OSVTI/ref=sr_1_\ 16?ie=UTF8 & qid=1317641081 & sr=8-16 way better price than the premixed stuff. ________________________________ From: Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Mon, October 3, 2011 7:02:44 AM Subject: Re: Re: MSM headache On 2011-10-02 4:27 PM, Huuman <huuman60@...> wrote: > I agree Bob... zeolites work very well for this in my experience. > However, Waiora has to be the most expensive form out there, plus, it > was not a part of the test done several years ago in which they used > natural dried zeolites with such good results. Interesting... zeolite is something else I've been curious about, but always considered it overhyped (maybe because most of the ones I've looked at were very expensive)... Which one do you recommend Jim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 On 2011-10-01 5:06 PM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote: > On 10/1/11 at 3:04PM, Tanstaaflwrote >> On 2011-10-01 10:50 AM, michaelinde wrote: >>> For what its worth Ive read that de is excellent in pulling mercury out. >> I would question that claim, but don't know for certain it is incorrect. >> >> I do know for certain that any of the quality healing clays will pull it >> out - one reason why I take activated charcoal/clay slurries daily >> (charcoal for chemicals like pesticides, etc, and clay for heavy metals)... > How do you make your slurry? Sorry , I almost missed your question... I use anywhere from 2 to 4 Tablespoons of pre-hydrated clay, one heaping Tablespoon of activated charcoal, and one heaping teaspoon of pure apple pectin, mixed in with 8-10 oz of pure water, and drink it down in about a 5 minute period. I'll generally follow it up with another glass of water over the next half hour. For the activated charcoal, I used to use plain charcoal from willow bark, but I now buy two different kinds - from coconut shells, and from bamboo - and mix them 50/50, and then use that for my slurries: Charcoal: http://www.buyactivatedcharcoal.com/bulk The best site I know of for learning all about clays and how/why they are so beneficial - and some sources for ordering it - is: www.eytonsearth.org And here is where I buy my clay: http://www.greenclays.com/clay-supplements.php I do pre-hydrate the clay, it makes it easier to mix, and more importantly, the dry clay will absorb a *lot* more water and so is much more likely to cause constipation problems: http://www.eytonsearth.org/preparing-powdered-clay.php Last, for the Apple Pectin: http://tiny.pl/hxcld (The only place I've been able to find organic apple pectin is ebay...) Just adjust the ratios/amounts as desired. If I'm doing a serious cleanse, I'll drink 4-6 of these a day, one every two hours, and a chomper/herbal nutrition (from the Arise-N-Shine folks) slurry in between. If you are taking a lot of these it is very important to listen to your body and drink plenty of extra water if you feel the slightest bit constipated. Some people get constipated real quick with clay when they first start cleansing and quit because of it, but what they should do is simply slow down, be sure to drink a lot of extra water, and slowly increase the amount of clay... If you have any issues with constipation, I also strongly urge you to keep some homozon on hand, as taking it will relieve the constipation in a hurry if you get too uncomfortable. The goal, of course is to: 1. Keep the bowels moving, and 2. Keep them semi-solid (not watery, but not too solid either)... Again, you'll have to adjust dosages yourself according to your own situation/needs. Hope this helps... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 Tanstaafl, That is one serious drink... Thanks.... I have some of the stuff on hand so I will make up one with that and see out it goes... Oh yea, I stopped the plaquenil... the only prescription drug I am using is at the moment is levoxyl... we will see how it goes. ..... ________________________________ From: Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Wed, October 5, 2011 1:03:34 PM Subject: Re: Re: MSM headache On 2011-10-01 5:06 PM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote: > On 10/1/11 at 3:04PM, Tanstaaflwrote >> On 2011-10-01 10:50 AM, michaelinde wrote: >>> For what its worth Ive read that de is excellent in pulling mercury out. >> I would question that claim, but don't know for certain it is incorrect. >> >> I do know for certain that any of the quality healing clays will pull it >> out - one reason why I take activated charcoal/clay slurries daily >> (charcoal for chemicals like pesticides, etc, and clay for heavy metals)... > How do you make your slurry? Sorry , I almost missed your question... I use anywhere from 2 to 4 Tablespoons of pre-hydrated clay, one heaping Tablespoon of activated charcoal, and one heaping teaspoon of pure apple pectin, mixed in with 8-10 oz of pure water, and drink it down in about a 5 minute period. I'll generally follow it up with another glass of water over the next half hour. For the activated charcoal, I used to use plain charcoal from willow bark, but I now buy two different kinds - from coconut shells, and from bamboo - and mix them 50/50, and then use that for my slurries: Charcoal: http://www.buyactivatedcharcoal.com/bulk The best site I know of for learning all about clays and how/why they are so beneficial - and some sources for ordering it - is: www.eytonsearth.org And here is where I buy my clay: http://www.greenclays.com/clay-supplements.php I do pre-hydrate the clay, it makes it easier to mix, and more importantly, the dry clay will absorb a *lot* more water and so is much more likely to cause constipation problems: http://www.eytonsearth.org/preparing-powdered-clay.php Last, for the Apple Pectin: http://tiny.pl/hxcld (The only place I've been able to find organic apple pectin is ebay...) Just adjust the ratios/amounts as desired. If I'm doing a serious cleanse, I'll drink 4-6 of these a day, one every two hours, and a chomper/herbal nutrition (from the Arise-N-Shine folks) slurry in between. If you are taking a lot of these it is very important to listen to your body and drink plenty of extra water if you feel the slightest bit constipated. Some people get constipated real quick with clay when they first start cleansing and quit because of it, but what they should do is simply slow down, be sure to drink a lot of extra water, and slowly increase the amount of clay... If you have any issues with constipation, I also strongly urge you to keep some homozon on hand, as taking it will relieve the constipation in a hurry if you get too uncomfortable. The goal, of course is to: 1. Keep the bowels moving, and 2. Keep them semi-solid (not watery, but not too solid either)... Again, you'll have to adjust dosages yourself according to your own situation/needs. Hope this helps... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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