Re: Coconut Oil, Best Benefit (s)

[Guest guest]

On 3/18/2011 7:27 PM, wrote:

> I just got my cholesterol numbers back and my HDL, good cholesterol, is

> very good indeed. I attribute this to the coconut oil. Since my

> cholesterol is generally way below average from eating oat bran pancakes

> 3 times a day I'm not too concerned about it. However, my high HDL was

> like icing on the cake.

Monitoring these numbers is a waste of time, energy and money. All doing

so is good for is for the drug companies to make money off of

cholesterol lowering drugs that do nothing but make you more unhealthy.

[Guest guest]

On Mar 18, 2011, at 6:28 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:

> On 3/18/2011 7:27 PM, wrote:

>> I just got my cholesterol numbers back and my HDL, good

>> cholesterol, is

>> very good indeed. I attribute this to the coconut oil. Since my

>> cholesterol is generally way below average from eating oat bran

>> pancakes

>> 3 times a day I'm not too concerned about it. However, my high HDL

>> was

>> like icing on the cake.

>

> Monitoring these numbers is a waste of time, energy and money. All

> doing

> so is good for is for the drug companies to make money off of

> cholesterol lowering drugs that do nothing but make you more

> unhealthy.

>

It always amazes me how obsessed people are with these cholesterol

numbers, both freaking out when they are high and being pleased when

they are low. Low cholesterol is not a good thing, especially for

women, and particularly if it is forced to be that way by statins,

red yeast rice, etc.

[Guest guest]

A lack of vitamin D appears to be a prime factor in the rising incidence of

depression along with a lack of mega 3 fatty acids. Patients with Parkinson's

disease, multiple sclerosis, congestive heart failure, and Alzheimer's disease

have all been found to have significant deficits of vitamin D and 70% of

Americans lack vitamin D. A natural source of vitamin D is found in Dandelions.

Make a tea.

>

> I am increasing my intake of vitamin D 3 and coconut oil. As a coincidence I

have been playing some recordings of birds done on tropical islands. I am

beginning to feel " sunny " .

> I just got my cholesterol numbers back and my HDL, good cholesterol, is very

good indeed. I attribute this to the coconut oil. Since my cholesterol is

generally way below average from eating oat bran pancakes 3 times a day I'm not

too concerned about it. However, my high HDL was like icing on the cake.

>

> I have yet to discover more about CO.

>

> What is the most important plus you have recieved from coconut oil ?

>

> PS: In September, I have an appointment to get the rest of my mercury fillings

taken out. That will help too no doubt.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Monitoring these numbers is a waste of time, energy and money. All doing

> so is good for is for the drug companies to make money off of

> cholesterol lowering drugs that do nothing but make you more unhealthy.

>

Are not the ratios and total cholest. still important to compare?

[Guest guest]

I am not a fan of cholesterol numbers. They are part of what docs look at when

they do your bloods. It does amuse me that oat bran keeps mine in good shape. My

doc who is over 20 years younger than I shakes his head when he looks at my

bloods: he tells me mine are better than his. Statins aren't an option for me, I

would never take them. Thats me tho, and I don't deny they may be very good for

some people. By the same token I would never opt for chemo if I got cancer.

Nature has given us the healing foods and herbs.

> >> I just got my cholesterol numbers back and my HDL, good

> >> cholesterol, is

> >> very good indeed. I attribute this to the coconut oil. Since my

> >> cholesterol is generally way below average from eating oat bran

> >> pancakes

> >> 3 times a day I'm not too concerned about it. However, my high HDL

> >> was

> >> like icing on the cake.

> >

> > Monitoring these numbers is a waste of time, energy and money. All

> > doing

> > so is good for is for the drug companies to make money off of

> > cholesterol lowering drugs that do nothing but make you more

> > unhealthy.

> >

>

> It always amazes me how obsessed people are with these cholesterol

> numbers, both freaking out when they are high and being pleased when

> they are low. Low cholesterol is not a good thing, especially for

> women, and particularly if it is forced to be that way by statins,

> red yeast rice, etc.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting infos ! Thank you. I have some dandelion tea that has been sitting

on my shelf for a year. I think I'll get it out.

I won't stop taking my Vitamin D3 in MCT oil tho. I am sure that I have to keep

my consumption high in order to reach my goal of saturation. It takes 2 months

to get the test results back from the labs here. I don't expect the results will

show that I am anywhere near what the Vitamin D scientists refer to as optimal.

Since I live in Canada, I get very little sun exposure for an entire season.

[Guest guest]

I'm no expert. If a person is incapable of exercise and doesn't want to make

dietary or lifestyle changes then I would surmise they would be helpful and

potentially life saving. Again, I am not a big fan of these options. I am not

aware of their potential and can only hypothesize. One thing is for sure, heart

disease statistics are significant and need to be addressed.

>

> > Statins aren't an option for me, I would never take them. Thats me

> > tho, and I don't deny they may be very good for some people.

>

> What people, exactly? They are pure poison.

>

[Guest guest]

I can't comment on what you just said. I don't know enough about heart

disease.It does seem like an inordinate amount of people are getting bypass

surgery(s). Something isn't working.

>

> > If a person is incapable of exercise and doesn't want to make

> > dietary or lifestyle changes then I would surmise they would be

> > helpful and potentially life saving.

>

> Those are the very last people who should be taking statins.

>

> > One thing is for sure, heart disease statistics are significant and

> > need to be addressed.

>

>

> And cholesterol has absolutely nothing to do with heart disease, so

> it cannot be addressed with statins.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have no idea what attributions you are talking about. If you said something,

good for you.

>

> Ummm... Please get your quote attributions right - did not say

> the below, I did.

>

> >> Monitoring these numbers is a waste of time, energy and money. All doing

> >> so is good for is for the drug companies to make money off of

> >> cholesterol lowering drugs that do nothing but make you more unhealthy.

>

> > Are not the ratios and total cholest. still important to compare?

>

> No, they are not important in the slightest - except to doctors fronting

> for pharmaceutical companies who want to make megabucks on people they

> can con into thinking they do matter.

>

[Guest guest]

I can comment on that. I am not an expert. Its my understanding they are a tool

used by Cardiologists.

> > I am not a fan of cholesterol numbers. They are part of what docs look

> > at when they do your bloods. It does amuse me that oat bran keeps mine

> > in good shape. My doc who is over 20 years younger than I shakes his

> > head when he looks at my bloods: he tells me mine are better than his.

> > Statins aren't an option for me, I would never take them. Thats me tho,

> > and I don't deny they may be very good for some people.

>

> I do (deny that they would be good for some people). Statins are pure

> poison.

>

[Guest guest]

,

I wouldn't fault for spreading the word about being able to raise his

HDL cholesterol with coconut oil. Doesn't that help to dispel the myth that

coconut oil is bad for the heart? Here is a reference that should please and

(validate) you both:

http://www.marlev.com/Cholesterol.htm

All the Best,

Dee

> >> I just got my cholesterol numbers back and my HDL, good

> >> cholesterol, is

> >> very good indeed. I attribute this to the coconut oil. Since my

> >> cholesterol is generally way below average from eating oat bran

> >> pancakes

> >> 3 times a day I'm not too concerned about it. However, my high HDL

> >> was

> >> like icing on the cake.

> >

> > Monitoring these numbers is a waste of time, energy and money. All

> > doing

> > so is good for is for the drug companies to make money off of

> > cholesterol lowering drugs that do nothing but make you more

> > unhealthy.

> >

>

> It always amazes me how obsessed people are with these cholesterol

> numbers, both freaking out when they are high and being pleased when

> they are low. Low cholesterol is not a good thing, especially for

> women, and particularly if it is forced to be that way by statins,

> red yeast rice, etc.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh ok I understand what you mean. Cool. Thank you for the explanation.

"

>

> That is called the quote attribution... it is how you can determine who

> said what in email list conversations that multiple people participate in.

>

> When crgstef replied, he had your quote attribution above my comment,

> which makes it look like you said what I said.

>

> I don't really care - it's just that people who cannot quote properly in

> mail list discussion is just one of my pet peeves.

>

[Guest guest]

Thats been an ongoing debate that seems never ending. I let the experts duke it

out on that issue. I just won't consume statins. But thats for me and its my

decision. I own the consequences.

>

> > ,

> >

> > I wouldn't fault for spreading the word about being able to

> > raise his HDL cholesterol with coconut oil. Doesn't that help to

> > dispel the myth that coconut oil is bad for the heart? Here is a

> > reference that should please and (validate) you both:

> >

> > http://www.marlev.com/Cholesterol.htm

> >

> > All the Best,

> > Dee

>

[Guest guest]

> >>

> >> > No, they are not important in the slightest - except to doctors fronting

> for pharmaceutical companies who want to make megabucks on people they

> can con into thinking they do matter.

>

OK, I'm not sure so I'm asking. I go to doctors to get blood work done and then

make my own assessment after listening. If my total cholest. jumped from 225 to

385 or the LDL ratio jumped too high, wouldn't I want to look at my diet to see

what may be causing it or other internal problems that may be causing the

inflamation?

[Guest guest]

I have to go out for a bit. So quickly then... I consume coconut oil in

quantities that vary from 1 to 4 Tbs. I spread it on my pancakes so I don't have

any exact quantities. The fact remains that it does not appear to increase my

total cholesterol and it seems to increase my good cholesterol. Nothing wrong

with that.

>

> > ,

> >

> > I wouldn't fault for spreading the word about being able to

> > raise his HDL cholesterol with coconut oil. Doesn't that help to

> > dispel the myth that coconut oil is bad for the heart? Here is a

> > reference that should please and (validate) you both:

> >

> > http://www.marlev.com/Cholesterol.htm

> >

> > All the Best,

> > Dee

>

[Guest guest]

My cholesterol is high and I intend to keep it that way ...and I routinely

coach against statins.

My blood work otherwise turned out to be perfect again so we decided to get me

another PCR.

all good,

Duncan

>

> > Statins aren't an option for me, I would never take them. Thats me

> > tho, and I don't deny they may be very good for some people.

>

> What people, exactly? They are pure poison.

>

> People think cholesterol is " bad " just like they think fevers are

> " bad " during a routine illness. Both are there to HEAL the body.

> Taking statins is like setting your house on fire, and when the

> firefighters arrive, you shoot them.

>

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[Guest guest]

Last person I got off statins says his hair is starting to grow back in; it had

been falling out in clumps.

all good,

Duncan

>

> > If a person is incapable of exercise and doesn't want to make

> > dietary or lifestyle changes then I would surmise they would be

> > helpful and potentially life saving.

>

> Those are the very last people who should be taking statins.

>

> > One thing is for sure, heart disease statistics are significant and

> > need to be addressed.

>

>

> And cholesterol has absolutely nothing to do with heart disease, so

> it cannot be addressed with statins.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I really cannot comment on that issue Duncan.

In the world of heart disease prevention there are experts who agree with and

those who disagree with the use of statins. There are those who are pro

vegetarian low fat and those who are in favor of a much higher amount of fats

and select animal proteins. Then tnere are those who say, as my ret'd family

doctor did, that genetics determines your heart health and that even following a

diet and lifestyle as strict as a buddhist monk's won't gain you an extra

minute. As a population our average life expectancy has increased. There are

some who attribute this to better control of heart disease. The fact that

statins have demonstrated anti-inflammatory action in arteries is of great

interest to some health care pros.

http://www.spacedoc.net/anti_inflammatory_statins.html

I decided in favor of a more natural approach. I'm not saying its the best

approach. Many are those, even experts, who thought they were making the right

decisions and ended up ill, sometimes fatally so. Regardless, I accept

responsibility for my decisions.

> >

> > > If a person is incapable of exercise and doesn't want to make

> > > dietary or lifestyle changes then I would surmise they would be

> > > helpful and potentially life saving.

> >

> > Those are the very last people who should be taking statins.

> >

> > > One thing is for sure, heart disease statistics are significant and

> > > need to be addressed.

> >

> >

> > And cholesterol has absolutely nothing to do with heart disease, so

> > it cannot be addressed with statins.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

As long as they test statins in a population with rampant oxidative stress they

are going to produce some benefit, just like antioxidants do, but for different

reasons. Statins reduce the cholesterol that's up against all that oxidative

stress in the form of accompanying that long chain rancidifying oil, that's all

they do.

If oxidative stress is reduced with antioxidants and fresher, less processed

oils, the oil can't rancidify as much and neither can the accompanying LDL

cholesterol. The comparative lack of rancidifying dietary oil in the system is

the reason the old civilisations that ate the most saturated fat had the least

heart disease. Same holds true today, with the analysis of plaque in 1971 being

predominantly dietary rancidifying polyunsaturated oil, not saturated fat and

cholesterol as had been supposed.

all good,

> >

> > Last person I got off statins says his hair is starting to grow back in; it

had been falling out in clumps.

> >

> > all good,

> >

> > Duncan

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Crgstef:

Dr. Mercola thinks that there is some significance to this, but as you

can plainly see, most people here do not. My own favorite reference,

The Weston A. Price Foundation really does not agree with Mercola.

Personally, I am 69 and have not had a blood test in about twenty

years. I will not let a doctor probe my body cavities and stick needles

in me so that he can recommend a useless radioactive stress test (or

worse)... did that once. You can fool me once... you know how it goes.

Today, I have no clue what my LDLor HDL ratio is and like the others

here, I don't care to know. My emphasis is on avoiding disease, not

covering up the symptoms (markers) that lead to it. What I do know is

that I feel better than I can remember ever feeling. I have great long

term memory, better vision than I had in High School, hearing from 20

hz to 20 khz, and I take no drugs... ever.

As far as I am concerned today's allopaths are idiots that can't see

past the pharmaceutical recommendations that they are overwhelmed

with. But on the other hand, I have a few doctor friends who have come

around to our more realistic reality after reading my emails directed to

them over the years. Hey, this stuff works and theirs does not, with

the noted exception of trauma medicine.

Kind Regards,

Jim

>OK, I'm not sure so I'm asking. I go to doctors to get blood work done

and then make my own assessment after listening. If my total cholest.

jumped from 225 to 385 or the LDL ratio jumped too high, wouldn't I want

to look at my diet to see what may be causing it or other internal

problems that may be causing the inflamation?<

[Guest guest]

Hey, you know what there " Bernardo " ?... *ALL* of your posts seem to have an

Antagonistic, argumentative TONE to them. We don't need people with a crap

attitude, calling people out and making biting comments and sticking their nose

into every thread. GOT IT? If he had HALF a moderator I wouldn't have to write

this. In the meantime TONE IT DOWN or GO AWAY.

If this was my list: ANY discourtesy to another member, first time I would put

people on notice, 2nd suspension, 3rd Banned.

> > I'm no expert. If a person is incapable of exercise

>

> The only person incapable of exercise is someone who is totally paralyzed.

>

> > and doesn't want to make dietary or lifestyle changes

>

> I always get grief for saying this, but I have no sympathy fro anyone

> who is unwilling to make dietary or lifestyle changes... they get the

> exact amount of misery they deserve.

>

> > then I would surmise they would be helpful and potentially life

> > saving. Again, I am not a big fan of these options. I am not aware of

> > their potential and can only hypothesize.

>

> Sorry, what you are doing is not hypothesizing - that requires some

> amount of logical deduction based on some limited amount of scientific

> evidence.

>

> What you are doing is called guessing... and doing it badly I would say.

>

> > One thing is for sure, heart disease statistics are significant and

> > need to be addressed.

>

> Sure... stop eating garbage and start eating pure whole foods...

>

[Guest guest]

T,

Since you don't seem to know what constitutes verbal abuse, you can look up the

definitions of " antagonistic " , " belittling " , and " insulting " in the dictionary.

And since most of us know it when we see it, you might even consider this post

of mine to be belittling and insulting - although informative.

Dee

> > You are coming very close to getting me to put you back on moderated

> > status. Your " plain talk " is abusive and needs to change.

>

> Really...

>

> Ok, then please explain what, exactly about that last post was

> 'abusive'? I'm curious, because without a definition of what constitutes

> abusive, how is anyone to know?

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Judy:

On eye health,

zeaxanthin was the key to that one. I also take lutein, but when I

took that alone, I got no improvement>

Regards,

Jim

[Guest guest]

A couple of best benefits for those new to coconut oil. These are for the

ladies:

..

Coconut oil is the best make-up remover AND the best vaginal lubricant ever.

(Sorry, no resource pages or research data available for publication at this

time :-))

Best,

Dee

[Guest guest]

My guess is that your tea is shot. Might I suggest: that you, next

year, consider freezing it.

>Interesting infos ! Thank you. I have some dandelion tea that has been

sitting on my shelf for a year. I think I'll get it out<