Re: Coconut Oil, Best Benefit (s)

[Guest guest]

LOL... Thanks ... And thanks Duncan for telling me about this

great group....

>Those are the very last people who should be taking statins.

> One thing is for sure, heart disease statistics are significant and

> need to be addressed.

And cholesterol has absolutely nothing to do with heart disease, so

it cannot be addressed with statins.

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[Guest guest]

Good idea !

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> My guess is that your tea is shot. Might I suggest: that you, next

> year, consider freezing it.

>

> >Interesting infos ! Thank you. I have some dandelion tea that has been

> sitting on my shelf for a year. I think I'll get it out<

>

[Guest guest]

Jim,

Thanks for the tip. I had no idea dried tea wouldn't last that long!

Dee

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> My guess is that your tea is shot. Might I suggest: that you, next

> year, consider freezing it.

>

> >Interesting infos ! Thank you. I have some dandelion tea that has been

> sitting on my shelf for a year. I think I'll get it out<

>

[Guest guest]

Maybe. I'm not an expert so I don't know.

When it comes to cholesterol and related issues I listen to Duane Graveline. I

like reading Duane's articles and books because he tells it like it is and gives

you " the good, the bad and the ugly " regardless. He follows current research and

his knowledge is based upon the most recent findings.

In one of his articles he talks about the LDL cholesterol lowering effect of

plant sterols and stanols. Apparently NASA is convinced enough so that stanol

esthers are routinely recommended when indicated during astronaut physicals. I

consume stanol esthers daily which I buy at Swansons ( they are inexpensive).

They have other health benefits as well.

A link to Duane Graveline's site:

http://www.spacedoc.net/index.php

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> LOL... Thanks ... And thanks Duncan for telling me about this

> great group....

>

>

> >Those are the very last people who should be taking statins.

>

> > One thing is for sure, heart disease statistics are significant and

> > need to be addressed.

>

> And cholesterol has absolutely nothing to do with heart disease, so

> it cannot be addressed with statins.

>

> <

>

[Guest guest]

, you'll see a correlation between high cholesterol and plaque formation

only in a population with enough oxidative stress to rancidify their dietary

polyunsaturated oils and/or eating pre-rancidified oils.

Early tests of primitive cultures that ate almost no seed oil but a lot of

saturated fat, so it's a given they also had high cholesterol, revealed no

evidence of heart disease at all. They also had a near-ideal body mass index.

Heart disease examples were exceedingly hard to find even in modern society

until the early 1950's, with the advent of margarine and corn oil.

The reason the seed oil manufacturers push seed oils as healthy is because mice

did well on them in early research and they still extrapolate that shabby flawed

work as if it applied in some way to humans. Unfortunately, non-seed eaters'

health fails on high dietary seed oil intake but the manufacturers now are in

the biz of selling seed oils now so they won't hear of it. The false advertising

problem is compounded by the medical mafia, and high-oxidative people eating

over-processed rancidifying polyunsaturated oils, which will certainly give a

plaque reading very quickly.

The plaque study published in Lancet in 1971 revealed a composition of 74%

polyunsaturated and unsaturated oil; cholesterol, saturated fat, cellular

debris, scar tissue, foam cells, calcium etc together formed the balance.

all good,

Duncan

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> Maybe. I'm not an expert so I don't know.

>

> When it comes to cholesterol and related issues I listen to Duane Graveline. I

like reading Duane's articles and books because he tells it like it is and gives

you " the good, the bad and the ugly " regardless. He follows current research and

his knowledge is based upon the most recent findings.

[Guest guest]

I'd love it Judy if you forwarded the posts; the statements are all as accurate

as I can word them and as the research that backs them up.

I might add, research has recently shown that as unsaturated content of the oils

rises in the body, all long lived mammals have reduced life expectancy. The

unsaturated content is the dietary plant oils, partucularly the polyunsaturates.

Fattening and thyroid-suppressive, the poly oils are the reason that grain or

soy-fed beef has a much higher inflammatory index than grass-fed beef, which

doesn't contain appreciable amounts of these oils.

And, momma cow isn't wrong, look at the fat profile of milk fat listed here in

Greg 's Oils analysis; very little polyunsaturate present because it would

be bad for the calf and long lived mammals live shorter lifespans on this oil:

http://tinyurl.com/oil-references

all good,

Duncan

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> Duncan, can I have your permission to copy posts of your explaining this??

> Some of my relatives would be very interested in this. otoh, I guess I

> could just refer them to your website.....

> Judy

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan,

What you are saying makes sense.

Unfortunately, we are so exposed to toxins of all kinds that oxidative stress

is almost a given. One can easily be fooled into thinking that they are making

the right decisions: inflammation is known as a " silent killer " . For that reason

LDL and VLDL are on my radar and I try to avoid increasing their existence in my

system in order to reduce the potential for high amounts of oxidized fats. HDL

can increase to whatever level my system deems fit: that would not bother me a

bit. I get C Reactive Protein (CRP)levels checked: that information, to me, is

more critical than cholesterol levels. In addition, I do think high cholesterol

should not be the result of a diet that lacks a reasonable and appropriate

amount of fiber.

As a final thought, I think quality saturated fats like those found in coconut

oil have an important role to play in health maintenance. They have been given a

bad rap in the past.

In today's society we are called upon to live as aware and vigilant

consumers. Unfortunately its not easy to find the correct information.

Information is often tainted by electoral or monetary motivations. Although

rare, there are those who provide unbiased and relevant information. On that

note, I highly recommend reading Duane Graveline if cardiac health is an area of

interest. I gained valuable insights from his writings. He confirmed my decision

to never take statins and to seek other more natural solutions to inflammation

and LDL. Again tho Duncan, its because oxidative stress, and stress are a part

of modern life. I view cardiac health from that perspective.

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> > Maybe. I'm not an expert so I don't know.

> >

> > When it comes to cholesterol and related issues I listen to Duane Graveline.

I like reading Duane's articles and books because he tells it like it is and

gives you " the good, the bad and the ugly " regardless. He follows current

research and his knowledge is based upon the most recent findings.

>

[Guest guest]

About CO benefits,

Has anyone noticed more flexible joints or more flexibility overall ?

What about mental benefits ? I find a Tbs of Coconut oil helps me to finish

a day long project with adequate lucidity. So it helps with concentration then ?

Less mental fog ? Dispels fatigue ?

It seems to have shortened my recovery time from physical exertion and

exercise.

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> > > Maybe. I'm not an expert so I don't know.

> > >

> > > When it comes to cholesterol and related issues I listen to Duane

Graveline. I like reading Duane's articles and books because he tells it like it

is and gives you " the good, the bad and the ugly " regardless. He follows current

research and his knowledge is based upon the most recent findings.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I agree that one can hardly avoid some inflammation; unfortunately the

medical machine advocates reducing cholesterol, which is unconnected with the

cause, not reducing oxidative stress and inflammation.

By your statement, " In addition, I do think high cholesterol should not be the

result of a diet that lacks a reasonable and appropriate amount of fiber " , I see

either a mistaken negative or that you need to see some research that indicates

inulin reduces LDL cholesterol. This review from the British Journal of

Nutrition contains cites; although added inulin didn't do much in healthy

controls, it had an effect on the hyperlipidemia subjects and type II diabetics:

><http://www.praeventia.ca/pdf/beylot-2005.pdf>

Here's a study on reducing cholesterol level with psyllium or a reduced amount

of methylcellulose, insoluble fiber:

><http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0887/is_n10_v10/ai_11459594/>

There's certainly more.

all good,

Duncan

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> > > Maybe. I'm not an expert so I don't know.

> > >

> > > When it comes to cholesterol and related issues I listen to Duane

Graveline. I like reading Duane's articles and books because he tells it like it

is and gives you " the good, the bad and the ugly " regardless. He follows current

research and his knowledge is based upon the most recent findings.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan, My english may be weak because I live and work in a mainly french

speaking province (Quebec). Sorry about that. What I meant was I believe it is

not reasonable to have high cholesterol as a consequence of a diet lacking in

fiber. In other words, one should consume an appropriate amount of fiber.

In addition to fiber, new (ish) probiotics can really mop up anything left in

the intestines that should not be there. I've been told that a new generation of

probiotics is being developed. They have capabilities that are not typically

associated with probiotics and are exponentially more powerful. In one

embodiment you have proteolytic, anti-viral, anti-retroviral, anti microbial,

anti tumoral and anti bacterial characteristics. Interestingly, they can

complete the work of dietary fiber with much efficiency.

> > > >

> > > > Maybe. I'm not an expert so I don't know.

> > > >

> > > > When it comes to cholesterol and related issues I listen to Duane

Graveline. I like reading Duane's articles and books because he tells it like it

is and gives you " the good, the bad and the ugly " regardless. He follows current

research and his knowledge is based upon the most recent findings.

> > >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Oh, I see, ; the research supports fiber as you meant; some fiber given

to people who have cholesterol issues often reduces LDL cholesterol.

Other research points out those who eat fiber seem to be healthier in many

other respects as well; this is especially true with soluble prebiotic fiber,

which carries a lot of research.

I'm with you; you make for good discussion.

I'm not sure I want to eat a bottle of patented GMO " probiotic " bacteria, but if

it's any good it's sure to come down the pike on its own soon enough; it will be

part of the road dust on farm roads like the rest and we'll all have it,

willingly or otherwise.

all good,

>

> Duncan, My english may be weak because I live and work in a mainly french

speaking province (Quebec). Sorry about that. What I meant was I believe it is

not reasonable to have high cholesterol as a consequence of a diet lacking in

fiber. In other words, one should consume an appropriate amount of fiber.

>

> In addition to fiber, new (ish) probiotics can really mop up anything left in

the intestines that should not be there. I've been told that a new generation of

probiotics is being developed. They have capabilities that are not typically

associated with probiotics and are exponentially more powerful. In one

embodiment you have proteolytic, anti-viral, anti-retroviral, anti microbial,

anti tumoral and anti bacterial characteristics. Interestingly, they can

complete the work of dietary fiber with much efficiency.

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> > The plaque study published in Lancet in 1971 revealed a composition of 74%

polyunsaturated and unsaturated oil; cholesterol, saturated fat, cellular

debris, scar tissue, foam cells, calcium etc together formed the balance.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

If memory serves, the 74% was made up of hyd. veg. oil and oxidized cholest. I

couldn't find where I read it, so someone please correct if you have access to

the report.

Craig

[Guest guest]

Duncan,

I should hope the new probiotics are not GMO based. I really doubt it though.

Good probiotics are a welcome addition. They are needed to defend against the

super bugs that have grown in hospitols as a result of the over prescription of

antibiotics. And they act systemically ! Which means if you have a tumor on your

foot they will do what they have been designed to do: they have anti-tumoral

characteristics as well. And their action is not restricted to the GI system.

I am looking at texts online that would give you possible insights into the

Budwig FOCC mix. An interview with Dr Budwig by a cancer researcher covers a lot

of the background and touches on the FOCC. Maybe this page:

http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/lothar-hirneise-johanna-budwig.html

Please let me know if this helps,

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> > Duncan, My english may be weak because I live and work in a mainly french

speaking province (Quebec). Sorry about that. What I meant was I believe it is

not reasonable to have high cholesterol as a consequence of a diet lacking in

fiber. In other words, one should consume an appropriate amount of fiber.

> >

> > In addition to fiber, new (ish) probiotics can really mop up anything left

in the intestines that should not be there. I've been told that a new generation

of probiotics is being developed. They have capabilities that are not typically

associated with probiotics and are exponentially more powerful. In one

embodiment you have proteolytic, anti-viral, anti-retroviral, anti microbial,

anti tumoral and anti bacterial characteristics. Interestingly, they can

complete the work of dietary fiber with much efficiency.

> >

> >

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