Re: regenerating cartilage

March 4, 2011

Frantz, out of 22 people in a trial I ran on osteoarthritis, 17 got results

using a cetyl-myristoleate blend from Integris Corp, and the other 4 got their

money back pursuant to their warranty. This mind you was money back on the Super

Starter pack, a four month program that cost us about $400 CAD. Save your empty

bottles.

Anyway, my sister was one of them. At 41, some days she could only crawl from

bed to couch, but she recovered and went from that to hiking up the mountain

with me in just three months, and she hasn't had to repeat the nutritional

program for more than ten years.

The difference is in the amount of CMO and whether it's natural or synthetic.

The Integris blend claims natural CMO in a 40% solution, several times higher

than Natren for example. It's guaranteed to work or your money back; whole food

can't touch a guarantee like that.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Huuman

>

> I am very, very new to supplementation . I had preferred " Whole Food " for a

long time until I finally understood how unpractical it was to find " whole

foods " and the systematic depletion of our soil (in the USA at least) thus that

our foods no longer are reliable a source of certain components/nutrients , e.g

Brazil Nuts analysis reveal the paucity of selenium from the Brazil Nuts

available on the market ... but I digress ..

>

> I am not sure it is arthritis but my knees have become quite painful

March 4, 2011

Correction, we had a late starter I didn't count earlier; 18 of 22 were

successful with Collastin blend CMO sold as Everlasting and Everlasting Support.

Results are guaranteed.

all good,

Duncan

March 4, 2011

Knox gelatin. One little packet, three times a day. Drink a glass of

water with it, then ANOTHER afterwards. Acupuncture is also great for

knee pain.

>

>> Huuman

>>

>> I am very, very new to supplementation . I had preferred " Whole Food " for a

long time until I finally understood how unpractical it was to find " whole

foods " and the systematic depletion of our soil (in the USA at least) thus that

our foods no longer are reliable a source of certain components/nutrients , e.g

Brazil Nuts analysis reveal the paucity of selenium from the Brazil Nuts

available on the market ... but I digress ..

>>

>> I am not sure it is arthritis but my knees have become quite painful

>

> ------------------------------------

>

March 4, 2011

I use fried pork rinds to help re-build cartilage. More fun to eat

than knox gelatin in water.

Alobar

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Mercurius Trismegistus

<magisterium_magnum@...> wrote:

> Knox gelatin. One little packet, three times a day. Drink a glass of

> water with it, then ANOTHER afterwards. Acupuncture is also great for

> knee pain.

>

March 4, 2011

Does that work? I'm just gonna try actually making jello out of it.

Stevia as flavor.

On 3/4/2011 6:05 PM, Alobar wrote:

> I use fried pork rinds to help re-build cartilage. More fun to eat

> than knox gelatin in water.

>

> Alobar

>

> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Mercurius Trismegistus

> <magisterium_magnum@...> wrote:

>> Knox gelatin. One little packet, three times a day. Drink a glass of

>> water with it, then ANOTHER afterwards. Acupuncture is also great for

>> knee pain.

>>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

March 4, 2011

I use diatomaceus earth.

> Knox gelatin. Â One little packet, three times a day. Â Drink a glass of

> water with it, then ANOTHER afterwards. Â Acupuncture is also great for

> knee pain.

>

March 4, 2011

Funny you mentioned pork rinds. Brought back memories of a tape heard years

ago. College did study on chicken gristle found out(according to tape the

cartilage was rebuilt.wife gets embarrassed whenever we go out to eat when I

chomp down on the end of chicken bone.

mike

March 4, 2011

Type II collagen is mentioned repeatedly in the research with regard to joint

cartilage and synovial fluid, while type III, Jello-type gelatin, came up mostly

for hair and nails.

So, I'd source type II collagen out as well. The stuff I used to buy years ago,

Calorad, is preserved with sodium benzoate, so if you want to avoid the benzene,

keep looking

all good,

Duncan

>

> Knox gelatin. One little packet, three times a day. Drink a glass of

> water with it, then ANOTHER afterwards. Acupuncture is also great for

> knee pain.

>

March 5, 2011

Can you post some studies? My info says the water is the most important

factor.

On 3/4/2011 9:33 PM, Duncan Crow wrote:

> Type II collagen is mentioned repeatedly in the research with regard to joint

cartilage and synovial fluid, while type III, Jello-type gelatin, came up mostly

for hair and nails.

>

> So, I'd source type II collagen out as well. The stuff I used to buy years

ago, Calorad, is preserved with sodium benzoate, so if you want to avoid the

benzene, keep looking

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

>> Knox gelatin. One little packet, three times a day. Drink a glass of

>> water with it, then ANOTHER afterwards. Acupuncture is also great for

>> knee pain.

>>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

March 5, 2011

" Type II collagen is one of the most important component in cartilage,

representing 15–25% of the wet weight, 50% of the dry weight and 90–95% of the

total "

There's no substitute for water either. Wet weight is important.

This google search nets many studies and gets you started in the right

direction:

<http://www.google.com/search?client=aff-cs-worldbrowser & forid=1 & ie=utf-8 & oe=UTF\

-8 & q=type+II+collagen+cartilage+OR+joints+OR+flexibility+OR+resiliency>

all good,

Duncan

>

> Can you post some studies? My info says the water is the most important

> factor.

>

March 5, 2011

Does anyone know about the capsules most supplements come encapsulated in? Will

that material do the same thing as, say, the Knox gelatin idea? It is easy for

people to get into taking quite a few supplements very easily and I am wondering

about the safety of those plastic-y things. For example, in the case of a hair

supplement I bought, the label listed the capsule as part of the supplement's

overall qualities, and when I called the company, they affirmed the truth of it.

>

>> Knox gelatin. One little packet, three times a day. Drink a glass of

>> water with it, then ANOTHER afterwards. Acupuncture is also great for

>> knee pain.

>>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

March 5, 2011

Mike wrote: >Funny you mentioned pork rinds. Brought back memories of a tape

heard years

ago. College did study on chicken gristle found out(according to tape the

cartilage was rebuilt.wife gets embarrassed whenever we go out to eat when I

chomp down on the end of chicken bone.<

Eat broiled/barbecued/Crockpot chicken on the bone, never fried (unless you

fry it yourself in good oils). Eschew breast meat and chew wings thighs and

legs.

Get organic free range non antibiotic/hormone whole chicken and a pressure

cooker. Learn to cook it that way with only about 2 cups pure water (not

municipal water!) Save all the original broth. Strip the carcass of all meat

and as much gristle as a human might be able to chew. Chill the meat.

Put the broth and all the carcass bones and skin in a stock pot and cover

with pure water and cook at low simmer for 2 hours. Now chill that broth-

or- go directly to making egg drop soup with it using organic free range

non-antibiotic non-hormone eggs. Just boil the broth and slowly drizzle

beaten eggs into it. I stop at 6 eggs per quart of broth. Works better if

the eggs sat out on the counter and warmed up.

Next day- put the chilled meat and chewable cartilage in a food processor.

Grind fine and make chicken salad.

You will get ALL of the good out of a chicken this way, and your joints will

love it.

Take CMO with any of this. CMO is better digested with food.

DB

March 5, 2011

Knox gellatin was what Dr. Wallach talked about years ago and obviously

it will work. However, you can be certain thatthe same amounts hold

true for gelatin as MSM If you are 60 yrs old and take three small

packets, you will be treading water, not getting well.

Jim

>Knox gelatin. One little packet, three times a day. Drink a glass of

>water with it, then ANOTHER afterwards. Acupuncture is also great for

>knee pain.

March 5, 2011

Gelcaps are usually gelatine, type II collagen, which is good for your hair and

nails, while type II collagen is good for the joints and cartilage.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Does anyone know about the capsules most supplements come encapsulated in?

Will

> that material do the same thing as, say, the Knox gelatin idea? It is easy for

> people to get into taking quite a few supplements very easily and I am

wondering

> about the safety of those plastic-y things. For example, in the case of a hair

> supplement I bought, the label listed the capsule as part of the supplement's

> overall qualities, and when I called the company, they affirmed the truth of

it.

>

March 5, 2011

An osteoarthritis info site I recently ran across mentioned how

extremely effective MSM, glucosamine and type II collagen are if taken

together; I'd add type III collagen and Integris' Everlasting for pretty

affirmative action.

Everlasting is the stuff my sister with the bad knees used for less than

four months and was cleared of osteoarthritis symptoms and able to hike

for about nine years. The story and research is summarized in the ebook

At Last Collastin; a fascinating read, my copy comes up #1 in Gooogle

Anyway, Integris Everlasting uses this particular cetylmyristoleate and

claim it's different from synthetic CMO.

On another list we were just discussing endothelial and sublayer

regeneration of the artery walls, heart, organs, bowel lining, ducts and

so on; this has traditionally been difficult after the fact of injury

during atherosclerosis, so it needed a closer look. While some research

showed some progress with diet, some research used specific endothelial

growth factors, and yet another research body supports HGH maintenance,

which restores natural growth factor secretion as well as IGF-1.

Significantly, the latter two groups of research did not use a dietary

approach.

Osteoarthritis is often seen as an " age-related " degenerative

condition although youngsters can ruin their health too. In older adults

the reduced amount of growth factors released must be more than doubled

to get them back to youthful regenerative ability. HGH is a requirement

for cartilage generation and cell generation generally, and even for

nutrient uptake and cell repair.

In the research, elderly adults improved with growth therapy in absence

of dietary change, meaning they were better able to utilize the

nutrients they were already taking. This indicates low growth hormone

(HGH) release was making them depreciate or in other words, unable to

regenerate effectively. It wasn't the absence of collagen, MSM and all

that, but impaired SYNTHESIS of collagen that resulted in net

depreciation. In older adults, HGH release as well as nutrition will

produce the best effect because the health effects are so pronounced and

general, and will usually include improvements at the.point of interest.

all good,

Duncan

March 5, 2011

Correction, I meant to write gelcaps are gelatine, collagen type III. Collagen

type II is in cartilage.

all good,

Duncan

> >

> > Does anyone know about the capsules most supplements come encapsulated in?

Will

> > that material do the same thing as, say, the Knox gelatin idea? It is easy

for

> > people to get into taking quite a few supplements very easily and I am

wondering

> > about the safety of those plastic-y things. For example, in the case of a

hair

> > supplement I bought, the label listed the capsule as part of the

supplement's

> > overall qualities, and when I called the company, they affirmed the truth of

it.

> >

>

March 5, 2011

Duncan,

I am assuming you meant to write that gelcaps are type I collagen. Or

am I missing something?

Alobar

On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

> Gelcaps are usually gelatine, type II collagen, which is good for your hair

and nails, while type II collagen is good for the joints and cartilage.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

March 6, 2011

Type II collagen (UC II) helped me tread water till I came across the

gross MSM protocol. However, it is simply not a total solution, in my

experience, just as Hyaluronic acid is not. Hyaluronic acid injections

have helped my friends, but they always regress. Both are a costly way

to avoid further deterioration but neither effect a total cure.

The UC II story has been published by Swanson Vitamins among others for

many years, plus Dr. Wallach has always preached about chicken cartilage

as the joint cure. It makes sense, but the problem with it is that, it,

like all other organic sulfur sources that I have tried is limited

because very much of it causes digestive distress. MSM does not, in my

experience, for the vast majority. You learn to get by the taste and

you get healed. It is that simple.

regards,

Jim

> " Type II collagen is one of the most important component in cartilage,

representing 15?25% of the wet weight, 50% of the dry weight and 90?95%

of the total "

There's no substitute for water either. Wet weight is important.

This google search nets many studies and gets you started in the right

direction:

<http://www.google.com/search?client=aff-cs-worldbrowser & forid=1 & ie=utf-8 & oe=UTF\

-8 & q=type+II+collagen+cartilage+OR+joints+OR+flexibility+OR+resiliency

<http://www.google.com/search?client=aff-cs-worldbrowser & forid=1 & ie=utf-8 & oe=UTF\

-8 & q=type+II+collagen+cartilage+OR+joints+OR+flexibility+OR+resiliency>>

all good,

Duncan<

March 6, 2011

Hi DB:

Really good advice. One of the reasons that we all get joint problems

today is that no one does this and years ago, everyone did. Soup made

from REAL chicken and beef stock is now a thing of the past and this

food is the joint medicine that we now lack.

Cheers,

Jim

>Mike wrote: >Funny you mentioned pork rinds. Brought back memories of

a tape

heard years

ago. College did study on chicken gristle found out(according to tape the

cartilage was rebuilt.wife gets embarrassed whenever we go out to eat when I

chomp down on the end of chicken bone.<

Eat broiled/barbecued/

Crockpot chicken on the bone, never fried (unless you