Re: Re: OT - Tooth decay options - toothpaste choices

February 19, 2011

Hi Duncan

I am sure I have seen these that you suggest because I have always looked for an

alternative product that would allow me to give my regimen taste. But I am a

tight wad, and a die-hard peroxide person, so nothing is as cheap as a gallon of

35% peroxide or Basic H, which both are highly concentrated so you use just a

drop or two in an 8 oz jar of water.

If I can ever find these that you mention in the Dollar-type stores for less,

maybe then I will get one to give me a chance to switch off.

But I agree...

All IS Good

Lyn

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From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Sat, February 19, 2011 5:27:56 PM

Subject: Re: OT - Tooth decay options - toothpaste

choices

I rarely use toothpaste because it's not as " clean " as brushing with mouthwash.

Some mouthwash has germ killers in it. I just finished a bottle of Lavoris with

peroxide, which kills germs and shows plenty of peroxide reaction to prove your

mouth is being freshened at a microscopic level.

This next Lavoris flavour I got has sorbitol, which I guessed might kill germs,

but turns out when I got it home that it probably doesn't.

Switching next to a mouthwash with xylitol in it as an alternative to the

peroxide one. Xylitol mouthwashes are easy to find and xylitol is reknowned for

killing mouth germs.

Xylitol mouthwash is a real good germ killer and you can swish with it like you

would oil. It's from $4 a pint, and you don't need that much to do your mouth up

fresh. The best advice I have is to brush with some kind of mechanical

toothbrush and floss no matter what else you do. I own both kinds of SpinBrush.

all good,

Duncan

>> As for toothpaste, I have not found anything natural yet that comes in a

paste

>

> that will kill bacteria in my mouth. (I want to note here that I just don't

> believe those " baking soda & peroxide " claims on some toothpaste tubes. Plus I

> do not use fluoride and stay clear of ingredients I can't pronounce.

>

> I've been using this method for years and I still have people ask me what

> toothpaste I use because my teeth are so white.

>

> No one needs those whitening strips!

>

February 20, 2011

I have not entered the world of colloidal silver or ozone because the machines

are too expensive and the ads I've seen for bottles of colloidal silver have

been so competative as to what ppm (I believe that is it) is the right one that

I don't know who is right. So I just stick with peroxide.

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From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Sat, February 19, 2011 9:49:32 PM

Subject: Re: OT - Tooth decay options - toothpaste

choices

Lyn, you'll probably love that peroxide or ozone in water with colloidal silver

is 1000 times as potent as either component is alone, and even treating sewage

effluent in several big cities. You get a higher kill rate from a very low

concentration, it will taste about like brushing with straight water, and there

is no equal for the combination because both components were about the best germ

killers anyway. I make ozone and colloidal silver pretty cheap and I have

peroxide but I buy Lavoris peroxide at Dollar Giant for $1.25/500ml.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Hi Duncan

>

> I am sure I have seen these that you suggest because I have always looked for

>an

>

> alternative product that would allow me to give my regimen taste. But I am a

> tight wad, and a die-hard peroxide person, so nothing is as cheap as a gallon

>of

>

> 35% peroxide or Basic H, which both are highly concentrated so you use just a

> drop or two in an 8 oz jar of water.

>

> If I can ever find these that you mention in the Dollar-type stores for less,

> maybe then I will get one to give me a chance to switch off.

>

> But I agree...

> All IS Good

> Lyn

>

February 20, 2011

>>Just wanted to recommend a Waterpik over floss. This way you can get all the

>>gums. I have noticed greater gum health since I started <<

I have been wondering for a while whether I should look into a waterpik, but I

was afraid it would become an unused purchase. It seems like it would be awkward

to use and I didn't know if I would get used to it, and I do not know anyone who

has one. Tell me how you use yours and what it does for your overall dental

health.

<<

February 21, 2011

I do not have space between my teeth so the way I think is that I could not skip

flossing. I don't suppose the flow of water from a Waterpik is strong enough to

replace flossing between tight teeth. But I do have receded gums and ridges in

my teeth along my gum line. This started 40 years ago and I only started using

peroxide consistently in the last 2 when I decided to go totally off toothpaste.

My teeth no longer hurt, since I started drinking alkalized water two years ago,

but the damaged from the receding gums keeps progressing. The dentist gave me a

pick with a pointy rubber tip to use to clean under the gums, but I never used

it because I would think that would push the gums up more.

I know I have to make another move in some direction.

________________________________

From: Diane <dianetargovnik@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Mon, February 21, 2011 10:32:24 AM

Subject: Re: OT - Tooth decay options - toothpaste

choices

My dentist recommended a Waterpik. I now use it instead of dental floss. You go

up by the gun line - both front and back. And in between the teeth. My numbers

when it comes to how far my gums have receded are actually improving and I have

less bleeding by my gums.

I use the most powerful setting but I worked my way up to it. Got it on amazon

>

> >>Just wanted to recommend a Waterpik over floss. This way you can get all the

> >>gums. I have noticed greater gum health since I started <<

>

> I have been wondering for a while whether I should look into a waterpik, but I

> was afraid it would become an unused purchase. It seems like it would be

>awkward

>

> to use and I didn't know if I would get used to it, and I do not know anyone

>who

>

> has one. Tell me how you use yours and what it does for your overall dental

> health.

>

> <<

>

February 21, 2011

What brand and model pick do you have. I checked amazon for reviews and one lady

put three on over a few months and her review kept getting worse and worse. The

tips fall off easy because of the placement of the button, the tips are weak and

break in a couple months, the hose is too short and you have to lean over to use

it, the pressure is not near like her 30 year old Waterpik Brand waterpik and

the reservoir is too small. Among other bad reviews.

________________________________

From: Diane <dianetargovnik@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Mon, February 21, 2011 10:32:24 AM

Subject: Re: OT - Tooth decay options - toothpaste

choices

My dentist recommended a Waterpik. I now use it instead of dental floss. You go

up by the gun line - both front and back. And in between the teeth. My numbers

when it comes to how far my gums have receded are actually improving and I have

less bleeding by my gums.

I use the most powerful setting but I worked my way up to it. Got it on amazon

February 22, 2011

I'm looking for one now, too. But Amazon's bad reviews on the Ultra are really

bad. I don't look so much at good reviews. I look at the bad ones to see how bad

they are and how many there are.

The only other brand that I could find is Hydrofloss and they are around $100

and they do not rate out well, either, for that higher price.

I have decided if I get an ultra, I will get it for $62 at Kohl's because they

have a 1/year return policy. This way, if I do not get free care from Waterpik

Customer Service, I will just return it to the store. It does not appear they

last even a year. The Hydrofloss was the same.

________________________________

From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 12:20:37 PM

Subject: Re: OT - Tooth decay options - toothpaste

choices

Jim's right, colloidal silver and peroxide in a waterpik kills dozens of

viruses, bacteria, fungi, and parasites that the other tooth decay options

including oil swishing can't touch. The two are 1000 times as effective together

than either is alone. I'm just now adding CS to my peroxide mouthwash (thanks

Jim for the idea}

I'm glad we compared a water pik to oil swishing. I'm looking for a waterpik

this month; never owned one and they've been out for about 30 years.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Hi Diane:

>

> And a water pic combined with colloidal silver and ozone water or

> peroxide is even more effective in my experience.

>

> Regards,

> Jim

>

> >Just wanted to recommend a Waterpik over floss. This way you can get

> all the gums. I have noticed greater gum health since I started

>

February 22, 2011

Btw, the toothpaste I use is made of tea tree oil & neem which is also a good

disinfectant so it makes a good adjunct to the oil pulling. And it contains no

fluoride:

http://tinyurl.com/4uvmtrl

I've actually bought from Swanson for about two years and I had purchased a

couple tubes of a neem toothpaste that was on sale, but mine doesn't say tea

tree oil, too. I mix it up with my normally tasteless routine. So I am just

getting my feet wet by getting into a new world of tasty tooth care without

fluoride. I had never really studied up on tea tree oil. I just knew it smelled

like Vicks and cleared sinuses.

I have read much in my journey to be healthy and I agree that oil pulling is

helpful to many people. My response from the start of this dental care issue has

been in support of oil pulling. I tried it a couple times, but I already do so

many tasteless things that I just could not get myself to make that an

additional ten-minute, daily habit. My eyes were stuck on that clock after a few

minutes. It was bad.

Right here is a great example of the approach we should all learn to take: of

just taking advice and opinions for what they are worth. Because what works for

one won't work for everyone. So we all just have to find what works for our own

bodies. The beauty of being on a forum is that when we get stuck, and need some

help thinking through health issues, we can put our question out there and get

several responses back that help us move forward in our thinking.

I'm wondering, though, did the peroxide sting too much in your mouth? I'm

guessing that it did and that kept you from using it enough. It sounds to me

like it would have because of the picture of the condition you painted for us.

So I am thinking you were just grateful to find oil pulling to do the same thing

without the pain, so you could keep at it. Anyway, I'm glad you are better. I

know that had to be a horrible.

February 22, 2011

About a decade back, my teeth started getting really really bad.

Most of my life I have had a terrible diet, so I had lots of cavities.

But at about age 55, they went really downhill with swollen gums,

pustules, etc. I hate dentists. Dentists hurt me, and want more and

more of my $$. So I decided to let my teeth all fall out and looked

for home treatments to ease the pain.

After a year or two of using various home treatments (grapefruit seed

extract, various rinses, etc.) I began to experiment with high dose

Iodine for reasons not associated with tooth rotting. I quickly

discovered that one dropperful of 10% Lugols Iodine in 4 ounces of

water daily, with a tiny bit of Sodium Ascorbate to convert most of

the Iodine to Iodide, made the Lugol's not burn my mouth and throat,

and did wonders for my teeth/gums.

Alobar

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

> Dee, your experience differs with several others who found flossing, brushing

or using a waterpik was still necessary to get their mouths clean.

>

> Choosing oil swishing to replace rather than complement the other cleaning

approaches leaves a less clean mouth, so, adjuvant is still a better term for it

than calling it the primary dental therapy.

>

> We're not buying the story, even after trying it out.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

February 22, 2011

LOL

Well. ) Alobar, All I can say is, you've gotta have some chemistry in your

background. Cuz so far, we all are talking about oil and peroxide and waterpiks.

YOU come up with things that have chemical abbreviations. I would not have

thought this way if someone tried to force me to with a gun to my head. )

Did you find the cures in time to save your teeth?

Lyn

________________________________

From: Alobar <Alobar@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 7:25:16 PM

Subject: Re: Re: OT - Tooth decay options - toothpaste

choices

About a decade back, my teeth started getting really really bad.

Most of my life I have had a terrible diet, so I had lots of cavities.

But at about age 55, they went really downhill with swollen gums,

pustules, etc. I hate dentists. Dentists hurt me, and want more and

more of my $$. So I decided to let my teeth all fall out and looked

for home treatments to ease the pain.

After a year or two of using various home treatments (grapefruit seed

extract, various rinses, etc.) I began to experiment with high dose

Iodine for reasons not associated with tooth rotting. I quickly

discovered that one dropperful of 10% Lugols Iodine in 4 ounces of

water daily, with a tiny bit of Sodium Ascorbate to convert most of

the Iodine to Iodide, made the Lugol's not burn my mouth and throat,

and did wonders for my teeth/gums.

Alobar

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

> Dee, your experience differs with several others who found flossing, brushing

>or using a waterpik was still necessary to get their mouths clean.

>

> Choosing oil swishing to replace rather than complement the other cleaning

>approaches leaves a less clean mouth, so, adjuvant is still a better term for

it

>than calling it the primary dental therapy.

>

> We're not buying the story, even after trying it out.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

February 22, 2011

No more gum infections. No pain when the weather gets cold. I have

one matching pair of molars so I can chew. But I much rather have

salad smoothies than try to eat a salad.

Alobar

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Lyn K <godisbest4me@...> wrote:

> LOL

>

> Well. ) Alobar, All I can say is, you've gotta have some chemistry in your

> background. Cuz so far, we all are talking about oil and peroxide and

waterpiks.

> YOU come up with things that have chemical abbreviations. I would not have

> thought this way if someone tried to force me to with a gun to my head. )

>

> Did you find the cures in time to save your teeth?

>

> Lyn

>

February 22, 2011

Subject: Re: Re: OT - Tooth decay options - toothpaste

choices

No more gum infections. No pain when the weather gets cold. I have

one matching pair of molars so I can chew. But I much rather have

salad smoothies than try to eat a salad.

Alobar

I gottcha. I know someone in your same condition who has progressed the wrong

way and he won't put the effort into helping himself. He is down to 2 upper

teeth and 3 lower teeth and that's it. I praise you for having the fortitude

and discipline to pursue what you knew was right for you, even if it might have

been more work on your part. Keep the choppers you have as long as you can.

Also, my dad has worn dentures since I was a kid. He started losing them in his

20's I think. He does good with them, tho. He keeps them in his pocket like a

pen and takes them out when he eats! It's the smoothest motion from the shirt

pocket into his mouth, he doesn't even click, so you almost don't even notice!

) I have to be choosy what I feed him, tho. He doesn't want chewy food that

might break them, like certain cuts of beef or flat bread.

Lyn.

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Lyn K <godisbest4me@...> wrote:

> LOL

>

> Well. ) Alobar, All I can say is, you've gotta have some chemistry in your

> background. Cuz so far, we all are talking about oil and peroxide and

>waterpiks.

> YOU come up with things that have chemical abbreviations. I would not have

> thought this way if someone tried to force me to with a gun to my head. )

>

> Did you find the cures in time to save your teeth?

>

> Lyn

February 22, 2011

Hi Tita_mel

I have done some more work into making a decision and I found out Kohl's

department store will take it back within a year if I have any problems. That's

a pretty generous return policy. I will head out there tomorrow. I think the

problems so many people have with them is because Waterpik really only has

Hydrofloss as competition. So there really is no competition and no standard

they have to beat because Hydrofloss is $100 and does not have that great of

reviews either, for the higher price. So there's sloppiness in the field of oral

hydraters.

Thanks for your help.

Lyn

________________________________

From: <@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 4:06:04 PM

Subject: Re: OT - Tooth decay options - toothpaste

choices

I've been using waterpiks for quite sometime. I realized dental floss still

cleans better than the water pik even at highest settings specially in tight

areas.

>

> What brand and model pick do you have. I checked amazon for reviews and one

>lady

>

> put three on over a few months and her review kept getting worse and worse.

>The

>

> tips fall off easy because of the placement of the button, the tips are weak

>and

>

> break in a couple months, the hose is too short and you have to lean over to

>use

>

> it, the pressure is not near like her 30 year old Waterpik Brand waterpik and

> the reservoir is too small. Among other bad reviews.

>

> ________________________________

> From: Diane <dianetargovnik@...>

> Coconut Oil

> Sent: Mon, February 21, 2011 10:32:24 AM

> Subject: Re: OT - Tooth decay options - toothpaste

> choices

>

> My dentist recommended a Waterpik. I now use it instead of dental floss. You

>go

>

> up by the gun line - both front and back. And in between the teeth. My numbers

> when it comes to how far my gums have receded are actually improving and I

have

>

> less bleeding by my gums.

>

> I use the most powerful setting but I worked my way up to it. Got it on amazon

>

February 23, 2011

I have had badly receded gums from my teens. I have always needed to use a

sensitive tooth toothpaste and hated getting cleanings done because removing the

plaque and stain re-exposed the sensitive roots. Then I started using clay and

zeolite by holding a solution of one or both of them in my mouth for about 10 to

20 minutes daily. Surprisingly, the clay/zeolite removed much of the stain from

my teeth and eliminated my teeth sensitivity, even after a cleaning. I have not

needed a sensitive tooth toothpaste for years now. I do not depend on the

clay/zeolite alone, I use hydrogen peroxide as a rinse several times a day and

the clay/zeolite periodically. I cannot be sure but my guess is that the

clay/zeolite has helped by providing calcium to the teeth and by removing

fluoride deposited by the local drinking water. I have seen no signs of the

hydrogen peroxide damaging the tooth enamel.

- Steve

From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of

Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 4:57 PM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re: OT - Tooth decay options - toothpaste

choices

I have deep receding gums but no gingivitis. My doc told me not to point the

waterpik down or up on the gumline but rather direct it sideways. This way the

gums are not pushed lower/higher and receding does not go deeper. Also to not

use too much force. Low to below medium level only. For toothpaste i use 100%

botancal oils of almond, spearmint and peppermint. I buy this mix in a 1/2 oz

bottle from oramed.

February 23, 2011

Hello Steve,

Where do you get this clay/zeolite formula??

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 7:18 PM, Norton, (ES) <

stephen.norton@...> wrote:

>

> I have had badly receded gums from my teens. I have always needed to use a

> sensitive tooth toothpaste and hated getting cleanings done because removing

> the plaque and stain re-exposed the sensitive roots. Then I started using

> clay and zeolite by holding a solution of one or both of them in my mouth

> for about 10 to 20 minutes daily. Surprisingly, the clay/zeolite removed

> much of the stain from my teeth and eliminated my teeth sensitivity, even

> after a cleaning. I have not needed a sensitive tooth toothpaste for years

> now. I do not depend on the clay/zeolite alone, I use hydrogen peroxide as a

> rinse several times a day and the clay/zeolite periodically. I cannot be

> sure but my guess is that the clay/zeolite has helped by providing calcium

> to the teeth and by removing fluoride deposited by the local drinking water.

> I have seen no signs of the hydrogen peroxide damaging the tooth enamel.

>

> - Steve

>

> From: Coconut Oil [mailto:

> Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of

> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 4:57 PM

> Coconut Oil

> Subject: Re: OT - Tooth decay options - toothpaste

> choices

>

> I have deep receding gums but no gingivitis. My doc told me not to point

> the waterpik down or up on the gumline but rather direct it sideways. This

> way the gums are not pushed lower/higher and receding does not go deeper.

> Also to not use too much force. Low to below medium level only. For

> toothpaste i use 100% botancal oils of almond, spearmint and peppermint. I

> buy this mix in a 1/2 oz bottle from oramed.

>

February 23, 2011

I bought calcium bentonite clay and powdered zeolite on eBay. I just mixed one

or both with water to get a solution just short of being a mud. When you try it

you will definitely notice the action of the solution. While it is in your

mouth, your teeth will feel rough to your tongue but afterward the teeth will

feel very clean and smooth.

- Steve

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