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Wow. Just found this article re: alzheimers and coconut oil; among other

things. My husbands' sister-in-law was diagnosed with dementia, and is

only in her 50's. That seems young to me, but the disease also seems more

prevalent today. Thoughts, anyone??

http://healthimpactnews.com/2011/is-the-misguided-low-fat-dietary-philosophy-pri\

marily-responsible-for-alzheimer%E2%80%99s-disease/

Judy

Hi Judy, I have to agree with this, though it is pretty new information for me,

too. I've done searches on vitamin sites for brain support and those searches

would invariably bring up fats. Most recently, I have been watching Doug

Kaufmann videos on his website knowthecause.com and on one he talks about how

the brain is mostly fat and needs fat to function. I had been consuming a lot of

fat in the last two years: coconut oil, sesame oil, olive oil, apricot kernel,

and now my newest is hemp and Barlean's olive leaf/peppermint complex. It has

been fun adding these to my diet. I have discovered that they all have their own

flavor to add to food. It's pretty neat. I pour one of these oils into a spoon

and empty out my supplement capsules into the oil and that is how I take my

supplements. I have been doing this almost a year. So right there I get about 2

tsps. I also take soy lecithin granules when I remember.

Might it be noted here, even with all this consumption of oil, I am only 110

lbs. The right oils will not make you fat.

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Oddly enough, I just n oticed today that I have Doug's site bookmarked, and

must have forgotten about it. Sheesh; lol.

The olive leaf peppermint oil must a good mix; I think I'll get some of

that, I do like Barleans. I do take my daily supplement with coconut oil

to get it down, as it is a large pill to swallow, so that does work!!

As for the soy lecithin, I wonder is soy good or bad....I've seen both

theories on that, and so have to wonder; tho lecithin is highly recommended

by some doctors.

I am really hoping the coconut oil might help my husbands' brothers wife.

She never smoked or drank alcohol, and she is one of the kindest people I

know. It just seems unfair that she should have to go through this, but I

guess we never know what is down the line.

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Lyn K <godisbest4me@...> wrote:

>

>

http://healthimpactnews.com/2011/is-the-misguided-low-fat-dietary-philosophy-pri\

marily-responsible-for-alzheimer%E2%80%99s-disease/

>

> Judy

>

> Hi Judy, I have to agree with this, though it is pretty new information for

> me,

> too. I've done searches on vitamin sites for brain support and those

> searches

> would invariably bring up fats. Most recently, I have been watching Doug

> Kaufmann videos on his website knowthecause.com and on one he talks about

> how

> the brain is mostly fat and needs fat to function. I had been consuming a

> lot of

> fat in the last two years: coconut oil, sesame oil, olive oil, apricot

> kernel,

> and now my newest is hemp and Barlean's olive leaf/peppermint complex. It

> has

> been fun adding these to my diet. I have discovered that they all have

> their own

> flavor to add to food. It's pretty neat. I pour one of these oils into a

> spoon

> and empty out my supplement capsules into the oil and that is how I take my

>

> supplements. I have been doing this almost a year. So right there I get

> about 2

> tsps. I also take soy lecithin granules when I remember.

>

> Might it be noted here, even with all this consumption of oil, I am only

> 110

> lbs. The right oils will not make you fat.

>

>

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You sure have company as you mention your first line. It's easy to forget all

the sites we have gone on.

About the soy, I have just started seeing info about it and all I have seen is

bad, but I got that before I started reading bad stuff about soy, so that is why

I only take it when I remember now. I do not prioritize it. This was the first

thing I got for my brain two years ago. A friend then told me to get it. So she

knew it was good for my brain, too. It was an absolute life saver for me at the

time. My brain was terribly foggy, and I'm only in my 40s so I knew that was not

right for me. Right at the start I was taking a Tbsp a day. This helped me

really quickly. After I used up the first jug of it, I bought a second. That is

when I started reading bad stuff about soy. The only thing I can hope is that it

is organic. It is Swanson Lecithin Granules. But I do know it helped me.

Share that article with your SIL. There's more help out there for her. You just

have to look for it.

________________________________

From: J Trettel <gnp222@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 9:11:40 PM

Subject: Re: alzheimers & dietary fats

Oddly enough, I just n oticed today that I have Doug's site bookmarked, and

must have forgotten about it. Sheesh; lol.

The olive leaf peppermint oil must a good mix; I think I'll get some of

that, I do like Barleans. I do take my daily supplement with coconut oil

to get it down, as it is a large pill to swallow, so that does work!!

As for the soy lecithin, I wonder is soy good or bad....I've seen both

theories on that, and so have to wonder; tho lecithin is highly recommended

by some doctors.

I am really hoping the coconut oil might help my husbands' brothers wife.

She never smoked or drank alcohol, and she is one of the kindest people I

know. It just seems unfair that she should have to go through this, but I

guess we never know what is down the line.

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Lyn K <godisbest4me@...> wrote:

>

>http://healthimpactnews.com/2011/is-the-misguided-low-fat-dietary-philosophy-pr\

imarily-responsible-for-alzheimer%E2%80%99s-disease/

>/

>

> Judy

>

> Hi Judy, I have to agree with this, though it is pretty new information for

> me,

> too. I've done searches on vitamin sites for brain support and those

> searches

> would invariably bring up fats. Most recently, I have been watching Doug

> Kaufmann videos on his website knowthecause.com and on one he talks about

> how

> the brain is mostly fat and needs fat to function. I had been consuming a

> lot of

> fat in the last two years: coconut oil, sesame oil, olive oil, apricot

> kernel,

> and now my newest is hemp and Barlean's olive leaf/peppermint complex. It

> has

> been fun adding these to my diet. I have discovered that they all have

> their own

> flavor to add to food. It's pretty neat. I pour one of these oils into a

> spoon

> and empty out my supplement capsules into the oil and that is how I take my

>

> supplements. I have been doing this almost a year. So right there I get

> about 2

> tsps. I also take soy lecithin granules when I remember.

>

> Might it be noted here, even with all this consumption of oil, I am only

> 110

> lbs. The right oils will not make you fat.

>

>

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Hi, I told my mom about Prevagen. She was in the beginning stages of

Alzheimers. After two weeks, she couldn't believe the things she could

remember. She's 83 years old. She takes two a day. She's telling everyone who

will listen to her! :o) I use it myself at 56 years old. I take one a day. I

buy it from My Natural Market.com. Lowest price I've seen.

Deb

>

> Wow. Just found this article re: alzheimers and coconut oil; among other

> things. My husbands' sister-in-law was diagnosed with dementia, and is

> only in her 50's. That seems young to me, but the disease also seems more

> prevalent today. Thoughts, anyone??

>

>

http://healthimpactnews.com/2011/is-the-misguided-low-fat-dietary-philosophy-pri\

marily-responsible-for-alzheimer%E2%80%99s-disease/

>

> Judy

>

>

>

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For a Prevagen talk, copy and paste this link.

http://knowthecause.com/WatchourShow/tabid/80/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/\

447/categoryId/53/Wednesday--2nd-30-minutes--February-23rd-2011.aspx

________________________________

From: adrianamsler <stubbiegirl@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Wed, February 23, 2011 3:15:13 PM

Subject: Re: alzheimers & dietary fats

Hi, I told my mom about Prevagen. She was in the beginning stages of

Alzheimers. After two weeks, she couldn't believe the things she could

remember. She's 83 years old. She takes two a day. She's telling everyone who

will listen to her! :o) I use it myself at 56 years old. I take one a day. I

buy it from My Natural Market.com. Lowest price I've seen.

Deb

>

> Wow. Just found this article re: alzheimers and coconut oil; among other

> things. My husbands' sister-in-law was diagnosed with dementia, and is

> only in her 50's. That seems young to me, but the disease also seems more

> prevalent today. Thoughts, anyone??

>

>http://healthimpactnews.com/2011/is-the-misguided-low-fat-dietary-philosophy-pr\

imarily-responsible-for-alzheimer%E2%80%99s-disease/

>/

>

> Judy

>

>

>

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I know nothing of Prevagen but I think the review below from Amazon makes some

good points. If calcium is the issue, a sodium EDTA (disodium or tetrasodium

EDTA) might be a better and cheaper route to go. I would be careful regarding

removal of too much calcium.

- Steve

http://www.amazon.com/Prevagen-Apoaequorin-30-Count-Bottle/dp/B000V9O04W

81 of 92 people found the following review helpful:

1.0 out of 5 stars Don't be deceived, February 24, 2009

By

Beroe<http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A27ZZE6J49JR6N/ref=cm_cr_dp_pdp>

(California) - See all my

reviews<http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A27ZZE6J49JR6N/ref=cm_cr_dp_\

auth_rev?ie=UTF8 & sort_by=MostRecentReview>

This review is from: Prevagen Apoaequorin, 30-Count Bottle (Health and Beauty)

I do scientific (not medical) research on the proteins which are contained in

this supplement, and there is no reason that this product, a calcium-binding

protein, will help you.

As they are legally required to say on their own web site: " This product is not

intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. " Their " research "

consists of cells in a culture dish and has no relation to human mental acuity.

In the past, the creators have tried to mislead people into thinking that this

is the jellyfish protein that won the Nobel Prize in 2008 (it's not). The lies

do not end there: the " testimonials " on their site come from easily found stock

photos (unless the same people are also fluent in French and also concerned

about Italian osteopathy -- aah, the irony).

If you ingested EDTA or another calcium-binding chemical, it would be more

effective at pulling calcium from your bloodstream than this protein. Proteins

will not cross the blood-brain barrier, and they will largely be digested before

leaving your system, releasing any calcium they might have bound. Even if this

product *did* work to remove calcium, in the age groups that they are targeting,

you should probably be taking calcium *supplements* and not trying to leach it

out of your system. My grandfather died of complications from a broken hip, and

he is not the only one.

Please do not be fooled.

From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Lyn K

Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:41 PM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re: Re: alzheimers & dietary fats

For a Prevagen talk, copy and paste this link.

http://knowthecause.com/WatchourShow/tabid/80/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/\

447/categoryId/53/Wednesday--2nd-30-minutes--February-23rd-2011.aspx

________________________________

From: adrianamsler <stubbiegirl@...<mailto:stubbiegirl%40gmail.com>>

To:

Coconut Oil <mailto:Coconut Oil%40grou\

ps.com>

Sent: Wed, February 23, 2011 3:15:13 PM

Subject: Re: alzheimers & dietary fats

Hi, I told my mom about Prevagen. She was in the beginning stages of

Alzheimers. After two weeks, she couldn't believe the things she could

remember. She's 83 years old. She takes two a day. She's telling everyone who

will listen to her! :o) I use it myself at 56 years old. I take one a day. I

buy it from My Natural Market.com. Lowest price I've seen.

Deb

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Also this from Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aequorin

" Commercial quantities available for oral supplementation in humans are

available under the name

Prevagen[8]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aequorin#cite_note-7>. However, given

that most proteins<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proteins> (including protein

drugs like insulin<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin> and

erythropoietin<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erythropoietin>) have little to no

bioavailability<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioavailability> when given orally

to animals including humans, it is unlikely that orally provided, supplemental

apoaequorin ever reaches the brain to have the effects it is claimed to have. "

- Steve

From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Norton,

(ES)

Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:55 PM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re: Re: alzheimers & dietary fats

I know nothing of Prevagen but I think the review below from Amazon makes some

good points. If calcium is the issue, a sodium EDTA (disodium or tetrasodium

EDTA) might be a better and cheaper route to go. I would be careful regarding

removal of too much calcium.

- Steve

http://www.amazon.com/Prevagen-Apoaequorin-30-Count-Bottle/dp/B000V9O04W

81 of 92 people found the following review helpful:

1.0 out of 5 stars Don't be deceived, February 24, 2009

By

Beroe<http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A27ZZE6J49JR6N/ref=cm_cr_dp_pdp>

(California) - See all my

reviews<http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A27ZZE6J49JR6N/ref=cm_cr_dp_\

auth_rev?ie=UTF8 & sort_by=MostRecentReview>

This review is from: Prevagen Apoaequorin, 30-Count Bottle (Health and Beauty)

I do scientific (not medical) research on the proteins which are contained in

this supplement, and there is no reason that this product, a calcium-binding

protein, will help you.

As they are legally required to say on their own web site: " This product is not

intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. " Their " research "

consists of cells in a culture dish and has no relation to human mental acuity.

In the past, the creators have tried to mislead people into thinking that this

is the jellyfish protein that won the Nobel Prize in 2008 (it's not). The lies

do not end there: the " testimonials " on their site come from easily found stock

photos (unless the same people are also fluent in French and also concerned

about Italian osteopathy -- aah, the irony).

If you ingested EDTA or another calcium-binding chemical, it would be more

effective at pulling calcium from your bloodstream than this protein. Proteins

will not cross the blood-brain barrier, and they will largely be digested before

leaving your system, releasing any calcium they might have bound. Even if this

product *did* work to remove calcium, in the age groups that they are targeting,

you should probably be taking calcium *supplements* and not trying to leach it

out of your system. My grandfather died of complications from a broken hip, and

he is not the only one.

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Deb, If you look up " oxidative stress " alzheimer's you'll find a lot of

information that points to aggravated free radical damage in the

neurodegenerative disorders. Reactive oxygen species they're called, are they

are quenched with glutathione. Undenatured whey and selenium build glutathione.

References:

http://tinyurl.com/glutathione-references

Undenatured whey and selenium combined are the top anti-aging and wellness tool

in my opinion. Glutathione prevents rancidification of dietary and membrane

oils, called lipid peroxidation.

all good,

Duncan

> >

> > Wow. Just found this article re: alzheimers and coconut oil; among other

> > things. My husbands' sister-in-law was diagnosed with dementia, and is

> > only in her 50's. That seems young to me, but the disease also seems more

> > prevalent today. Thoughts, anyone??

> >

> >

http://healthimpactnews.com/2011/is-the-misguided-low-fat-dietary-philosophy-pri\

marily-responsible-for-alzheimer%E2%80%99s-disease/

> >

> > Judy

> >

> >

> >

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Wikipedia is really screwed up on entries for vitamins. I would never

trust Wikipedia for any health supplemet.

Alobar

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Norton, (ES)

<stephen.norton@...> wrote:

> Also this from Wikipedia:

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aequorin

> " Commercial quantities available for oral supplementation in humans are

available under the name

Prevagen[8]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aequorin#cite_note-7>. However, given

that most proteins<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proteins> (including protein

drugs like insulin<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin> and

erythropoietin<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erythropoietin>) have little to no

bioavailability<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioavailability> when given orally

to animals including humans, it is unlikely that orally provided, supplemental

apoaequorin ever reaches the brain to have the effects it is claimed to have. "

>

> -          Steve

>

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I disagree. I find Wikipedia surprisingly informative on many things and they

provide references at the end to assist those who wish to investigate further.

That said, I do not use them an only source of information.

- Steve

From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Alobar

Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 6:39 AM

Coconut Oil

Subject: EXT :Re: Re: alzheimers & dietary fats

Wikipedia is really screwed up on entries for vitamins. I would never

trust Wikipedia for any health supplemet.

Alobar

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I never trust wiki when it comes to vitamins and supplements.

Wikipedia Doesn't Like Me ...

Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

http://www.bolenreport.com/feature_articles/feature_article088.htm

Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, May 3, 2010

Widespread Condemnation of Wikipedia Bias

Readers Report Suppression of Nutritional Medicine

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v06n16.shtml

Alobar

On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Norton, (ES)

<stephen.norton@...> wrote:

> I disagree. I find Wikipedia surprisingly informative on many things and they

provide references at the end to assist those who wish to investigate further.

That said, I do not use them an only source of information.

>

> -          Steve

>

> From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Alobar

> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 6:39 AM

> Coconut Oil

> Subject: EXT :Re: Re: alzheimers & dietary fats

>

>

>

> Wikipedia is really screwed up on entries for vitamins. I would never

> trust Wikipedia for any health supplemet.

>

> Alobar

>

>

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On 2011-02-24 9:45 AM, Norton, (ES) wrote:

> Alobar said:

>> Wikipedia is really screwed up on entries for vitamins. I would never

>> trust Wikipedia for any health supplemet.

> I disagree. I find Wikipedia surprisingly informative on many things and

> they provide references at the end to assist those who wish to

> investigate further. That said, I do not use them an only source of

> information.

It is common knowledge that wikipedia is a very unreliable source of

information on many subjects that the powers that be want to control,

natural health being one of them.

Yes, there is good info on there... but there is a ton of bad info

too... hence the term 'unreliable'...

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IMO, it is fine that you personally do not trust Wikipedia. That is your

personal choice and I respect that. But I consider it irresponsible to reject

information in a post based on that alone and provide no information countering

the Wikipedia information. I often find people rejecting information out of hand

because it is from the FDA, NIH or " mainstream medicine " (i.e. doctors). While I

agree that all the above have and do provide biased and wrong information, there

is still MUCH information they provide that is accurate and valuable. You can

choose to remain ignorant of such information but you do no good trying to

influence or misinform others simply based on your personal biases. I actually

find MORE misinformation being provided by well known alternative medicine

sources that repeat unsubstantiated or known incorrect claims. You need to

verify information from Mercola, Health Ranger and the others just as you should

Wikipedia. They are often influenced by their desire to sell you a product.

Relative to your references below, did you actually read them? The first one by

the Bolen Report complains that Wikipedia is wrong to allow a voice to anyone.

Let's look at his complaints:

" 1) People work hard in their lives to accomplish things. They don't need to

have some homeless, muttering, schizophrenic wander into a public library, plop

their reeking selves down in front of the public internet, and log onto

Wikipedia with a " private " name, to take out their resentments against their

betters, by re-writing articles with so-called facts that were born in their

drug-soaked, in-and-out of consciousness, mind. Nobody needs that.

But that's one of the opportunities you provide. You call it " privacy, " and you

actually think it is a good thing. Grow up.

The other opportunity you provide is for the victim of the library-using-crazy

to, after spending twelve hours at their profession every day, they get to come

home, log onto Wikipedia, and change back to the real information. Just what

everybody needs to do after a long day (sarcasm intended). "

God forbid that you or I be afforded a chance to input into Wikipedia! That

should only be allowed to " recognized experts " , presumably such as Mr. Bolen.

(sarcasm intended). While I hardly think that homeless people spend their time

in libraries contaminating Wikipedia, that " homeless " person just might be the

world expert on the subject. But of course his homelessness renders him

" unsuitable " . Bolen's next complaint:

" (2) Larry , from the National Post, in his article titled " How

Wikipedia's green doctor rewrote 5,428 climate articles " says it like this:

The Climategate Emails describe how a small band of climatologists cooked the

books to make the last century seem dangerously warm.

The emails also describe how the band plotted to rewrite history as well as

science, particularly by eliminating the Medieval Warm Period, a 400 year period

that began around 1000 AD.

The Climategate Emails reveal something else, too: the enlistment of the most

widely read source of information in the world - Wikipedia - in the wholesale

rewriting of this history.

The Climategate Emails describe how a small band of climatologists cooked the

books to make the last century seem dangerously warm.

The emails also describe how the band plotted to rewrite history as well as

science, particularly by eliminating the Medieval Warm Period, a 400 year period

that began around 1000 AD.

The Climategate Emails reveal something else, too: the enlistment of the most

widely read source of information in the world - Wikipedia - in the wholesale

rewriting of this history.

The Climategate Emails describe how a small band of climatologists cooked the

books to make the last century seem dangerously warm.

The emails also describe how the band plotted to rewrite history as well as

science, particularly by eliminating the Medieval Warm Period, a 400 year period

that began around 1000 AD.

The Climategate Emails reveal something else, too: the enlistment of the most

widely read source of information in the world - Wikipedia - in the wholesale

rewriting of this history.

goes on to describe, in detail, what happened next.

One person in the nine-member Realclimate.org team - U.K. scientist and Green

Party activist Connolley - would take on particularly crucial duties.

Connolley took control of all things climate in the most used information source

the world has ever known - Wikipedia. Starting in February 2003, just when

opposition to the claims of the band members were beginning to gel, Connolley

set to work on the Wikipedia site. He rewrote Wikipedia's articles on global

warming, on the greenhouse effect, on the instrumental temperature record, on

the urban heat island, on climate models, on global cooling. On Feb. 14, he

began to erase the Little Ice Age; on Aug.11, the Medieval Warm Period. In

October, he turned his attention to the hockey stick graph. He rewrote articles

on the politics of global warming and on the scientists who were skeptical of

the band. Lindzen and Fred Singer, two of the world's most distinguished

climate scientists, were among his early targets, followed by others that the

band especially hated, such as Willie Soon and Sallie Baliunas of the

Harvard-sonian Center for Astrophysics, authorities on the Medieval Warm

Period.

All told, Connolley created or rewrote 5,428 unique Wikipedia articles. His

control over Wikipedia was greater still, however, through the role he obtained

at Wikipedia as a website administrator, which allowed him to act with virtual

impunity. When Connolley didn't like the subject of a certain article, he

removed it - more than 500 articles of various descriptions disappeared at his

hand. When he disapproved of the arguments that others were making, he often had

them barred - over 2,000 Wikipedia contributors who ran afoul of him found

themselves blocked from making further contributions. Acolytes whose writing

conformed to Connolley's global warming views, in contrast, were rewarded with

Wikipedia's blessings. In these ways, Connolley turned Wikipedia into the

missionary wing of the global warming movement.

OMG!!! WE CANNOT allow the truth of global warming be written about in

Wikipedia! Or children might learn of such things and realize how we are

destroying their future! Science based fact must be suppressed when we don't

like it.

Next complaint:

" (3) Everybody in advanced health care knows that Wikipedia articles about

health are manipulated by a secret group with an agenda designed to keep the

health care status quo. No studies have yet been conducted to determine how

much death and damage this group has caused to Earth's population. But I'd

guess that it is considerable. "

Of course. Everyone knows about the cabal that wants economic domination of the

world, suppresses knowledge, is releasing plagues to kill off the common people

and fill our skies with contrails. WE KNOW WHO THEY ARE. And they are using

Wikipedia to destroy humanity.

Your second reference is actually not too bad. But it appears to be a

compilation of people complaining that their edits to Wikipedia were not

accepted. There is no way of knowing if their contributions were rightly or

wrongly rejected. Wikipedia does mostly insist that claims put in Wikipedia have

references provided that support the claims. This can be a problem in

alternative medicine where scientific supporting studies are often not in

existence.

Wikipedia is not perfect but it is not crap either. Even in the area of vitamins

and alternative and complementary medicine.

- Steve

From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Alobar

Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 7:20 AM

Coconut Oil

Subject: EXT :Re: Re: alzheimers & dietary fats

I never trust wiki when it comes to vitamins and supplements.

Wikipedia Doesn't Like Me ...

Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

http://www.bolenreport.com/feature_articles/feature_article088.htm

Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, May 3, 2010

Widespread Condemnation of Wikipedia Bias

Readers Report Suppression of Nutritional Medicine

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v06n16.shtml

Alobar

On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Norton, (ES)

<stephen.norton@...<mailto:stephen.norton%40ngc.com>> wrote:

> I disagree. I find Wikipedia surprisingly informative on many things and they

provide references at the end to assist those who wish to investigate further.

That said, I do not use them an only source of information.

>

> - Steve

>

> From:

Coconut Oil <mailto:Coconut Oil%40grou\

ps.com>

[mailto:Coconut Oil <mailto:Coconut Oil%40y\

ahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Alobar

> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 6:39 AM

> To:

Coconut Oil <mailto:Coconut Oil%40grou\

ps.com>

> Subject: EXT :Re: Re: alzheimers & dietary fats

>

>

>

> Wikipedia is really screwed up on entries for vitamins. I would never

> trust Wikipedia for any health supplemet.

>

> Alobar

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THANK YOU Steve, you made my day! I'm sick and tired of Wikipedia being

dismissed out of hand each and every time someone references it. And I agree

with your assessment. It may not be perfect (is anything?) but there is plenty

of good reference material there.

All the Best,

Dee

>

> IMO, it is fine that you personally do not trust Wikipedia. That is your

personal choice and I respect that. But I consider it irresponsible to reject

information in a post based on that alone and provide no information countering

the Wikipedia information. I often find people rejecting information out of hand

because it is from the FDA, NIH or " mainstream medicine " (i.e. doctors). While I

agree that all the above have and do provide biased and wrong information, there

is still MUCH information they provide that is accurate and valuable. You can

choose to remain ignorant of such information but you do no good trying to

influence or misinform others simply based on your personal biases. I actually

find MORE misinformation being provided by well known alternative medicine

sources that repeat unsubstantiated or known incorrect claims. You need to

verify information from Mercola, Health Ranger and the others just as you should

Wikipedia. They are often influenced by their desire to sell you a product.

>

> Relative to your references below, did you actually read them? The first one

by the Bolen Report complains that Wikipedia is wrong to allow a voice to

anyone. Let's look at his complaints:

>

> " 1) People work hard in their lives to accomplish things. They don't need to

have some homeless, muttering, schizophrenic wander into a public library, plop

their reeking selves down in front of the public internet, and log onto

Wikipedia with a " private " name, to take out their resentments against their

betters, by re-writing articles with so-called facts that were born in their

drug-soaked, in-and-out of consciousness, mind. Nobody needs that.

> But that's one of the opportunities you provide. You call it " privacy, " and

you actually think it is a good thing. Grow up.

> The other opportunity you provide is for the victim of the library-using-crazy

to, after spending twelve hours at their profession every day, they get to come

home, log onto Wikipedia, and change back to the real information. Just what

everybody needs to do after a long day (sarcasm intended). "

>

> God forbid that you or I be afforded a chance to input into Wikipedia! That

should only be allowed to " recognized experts " , presumably such as Mr. Bolen.

(sarcasm intended). While I hardly think that homeless people spend their time

in libraries contaminating Wikipedia, that " homeless " person just might be the

world expert on the subject. But of course his homelessness renders him

" unsuitable " . Bolen's next complaint:

>

>

> " (2) Larry , from the National Post, in his article titled " How

Wikipedia's green doctor rewrote 5,428 climate articles " says it like this:

> The Climategate Emails describe how a small band of climatologists cooked the

books to make the last century seem dangerously warm.

>

> The emails also describe how the band plotted to rewrite history as well as

science, particularly by eliminating the Medieval Warm Period, a 400 year period

that began around 1000 AD.

>

> The Climategate Emails reveal something else, too: the enlistment of the most

widely read source of information in the world - Wikipedia - in the wholesale

rewriting of this history.

>

>

> The Climategate Emails describe how a small band of climatologists cooked the

books to make the last century seem dangerously warm.

>

> The emails also describe how the band plotted to rewrite history as well as

science, particularly by eliminating the Medieval Warm Period, a 400 year period

that began around 1000 AD.

>

> The Climategate Emails reveal something else, too: the enlistment of the most

widely read source of information in the world - Wikipedia - in the wholesale

rewriting of this history.

>

> The Climategate Emails describe how a small band of climatologists cooked the

books to make the last century seem dangerously warm.

>

> The emails also describe how the band plotted to rewrite history as well as

science, particularly by eliminating the Medieval Warm Period, a 400 year period

that began around 1000 AD.

>

> The Climategate Emails reveal something else, too: the enlistment of the most

widely read source of information in the world - Wikipedia - in the wholesale

rewriting of this history.

> goes on to describe, in detail, what happened next.

> One person in the nine-member Realclimate.org team - U.K. scientist and Green

Party activist Connolley - would take on particularly crucial duties.

>

> Connolley took control of all things climate in the most used information

source the world has ever known - Wikipedia. Starting in February 2003, just

when opposition to the claims of the band members were beginning to gel,

Connolley set to work on the Wikipedia site. He rewrote Wikipedia's articles on

global warming, on the greenhouse effect, on the instrumental temperature

record, on the urban heat island, on climate models, on global cooling. On Feb.

14, he began to erase the Little Ice Age; on Aug.11, the Medieval Warm Period.

In October, he turned his attention to the hockey stick graph. He rewrote

articles on the politics of global warming and on the scientists who were

skeptical of the band. Lindzen and Fred Singer, two of the world's most

distinguished climate scientists, were among his early targets, followed by

others that the band especially hated, such as Willie Soon and Sallie Baliunas

of the Harvard-sonian Center for Astrophysics, authorities on the Medieval

Warm Period.

>

> All told, Connolley created or rewrote 5,428 unique Wikipedia articles. His

control over Wikipedia was greater still, however, through the role he obtained

at Wikipedia as a website administrator, which allowed him to act with virtual

impunity. When Connolley didn't like the subject of a certain article, he

removed it - more than 500 articles of various descriptions disappeared at his

hand. When he disapproved of the arguments that others were making, he often had

them barred - over 2,000 Wikipedia contributors who ran afoul of him found

themselves blocked from making further contributions. Acolytes whose writing

conformed to Connolley's global warming views, in contrast, were rewarded with

Wikipedia's blessings. In these ways, Connolley turned Wikipedia into the

missionary wing of the global warming movement.

>

>

> OMG!!! WE CANNOT allow the truth of global warming be written about in

Wikipedia! Or children might learn of such things and realize how we are

destroying their future! Science based fact must be suppressed when we don't

like it.

> Next complaint:

>

> " (3) Everybody in advanced health care knows that Wikipedia articles about

health are manipulated by a secret group with an agenda designed to keep the

health care status quo. No studies have yet been conducted to determine how

much death and damage this group has caused to Earth's population. But I'd

guess that it is considerable. "

>

> Of course. Everyone knows about the cabal that wants economic domination of

the world, suppresses knowledge, is releasing plagues to kill off the common

people and fill our skies with contrails. WE KNOW WHO THEY ARE. And they are

using Wikipedia to destroy humanity.

>

>

> Your second reference is actually not too bad. But it appears to be a

compilation of people complaining that their edits to Wikipedia were not

accepted. There is no way of knowing if their contributions were rightly or

wrongly rejected. Wikipedia does mostly insist that claims put in Wikipedia have

references provided that support the claims. This can be a problem in

alternative medicine where scientific supporting studies are often not in

existence.

>

> Wikipedia is not perfect but it is not crap either. Even in the area of

vitamins and alternative and complementary medicine.

>

>

> - Steve

>

>

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i would like to tell you not to generalize all alternative medicines, because

V.C.O. belongs to such. i dare you to try to drink a diabetic person and check

the level of sugar, you will see the effect.

Stop that generalizaton.

________________________________

From: Dolores <dgk@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 1:37:32 PM

Subject: Re: alzheimers & dietary fats

THANK YOU Steve, you made my day! I'm sick and tired of Wikipedia being

dismissed out of hand each and every time someone references it. And I agree

with your assessment. It may not be perfect (is anything?) but there is plenty

of good reference material there.

All the Best,

Dee

>

> IMO, it is fine that you personally do not trust Wikipedia. That is your

>personal choice and I respect that. But I consider it irresponsible to reject

>information in a post based on that alone and provide no information countering

>the Wikipedia information. I often find people rejecting information out of

hand

>because it is from the FDA, NIH or " mainstream medicine " (i.e. doctors). While

I

>agree that all the above have and do provide biased and wrong information,

there

>is still MUCH information they provide that is accurate and valuable. You can

>choose to remain ignorant of such information but you do no good trying to

>influence or misinform others simply based on your personal biases. I actually

>find MORE misinformation being provided by well known alternative medicine

>sources that repeat unsubstantiated or known incorrect claims. You need to

>verify information from Mercola, Health Ranger and the others just as you

should

>Wikipedia. They are often influenced by their desire to sell you a product.

>

> Relative to your references below, did you actually read them? The first one

by

>the Bolen Report complains that Wikipedia is wrong to allow a voice to anyone.

>Let's look at his complaints:

>

> " 1) People work hard in their lives to accomplish things. They don't need to

>have some homeless, muttering, schizophrenic wander into a public library, plop

>their reeking selves down in front of the public internet, and log onto

>Wikipedia with a " private " name, to take out their resentments against their

>betters, by re-writing articles with so-called facts that were born in their

>drug-soaked, in-and-out of consciousness, mind. Nobody needs that.

> But that's one of the opportunities you provide. You call it " privacy, " and

>you actually think it is a good thing. Grow up.

> The other opportunity you provide is for the victim of the library-using-crazy

>to, after spending twelve hours at their profession every day, they get to come

>home, log onto Wikipedia, and change back to the real information. Just what

>everybody needs to do after a long day (sarcasm intended). "

>

> God forbid that you or I be afforded a chance to input into Wikipedia! That

>should only be allowed to " recognized experts " , presumably such as Mr. Bolen.

>(sarcasm intended). While I hardly think that homeless people spend their time

>in libraries contaminating Wikipedia, that " homeless " person just might be the

>world expert on the subject. But of course his homelessness renders him

> " unsuitable " . Bolen's next complaint:

>

>

> " (2) Larry , from the National Post, in his article titled " How

>Wikipedia's green doctor rewrote 5,428 climate articles " says it like this:

> The Climategate Emails describe how a small band of climatologists cooked the

>books to make the last century seem dangerously warm.

>

> The emails also describe how the band plotted to rewrite history as well as

>science, particularly by eliminating the Medieval Warm Period, a 400 year

period

>that began around 1000 AD.

>

> The Climategate Emails reveal something else, too: the enlistment of the most

>widely read source of information in the world - Wikipedia - in the wholesale

>rewriting of this history.

>

>

> The Climategate Emails describe how a small band of climatologists cooked the

>books to make the last century seem dangerously warm.

>

> The emails also describe how the band plotted to rewrite history as well as

>science, particularly by eliminating the Medieval Warm Period, a 400 year

period

>that began around 1000 AD.

>

> The Climategate Emails reveal something else, too: the enlistment of the most

>widely read source of information in the world - Wikipedia - in the wholesale

>rewriting of this history.

>

> The Climategate Emails describe how a small band of climatologists cooked the

>books to make the last century seem dangerously warm.

>

> The emails also describe how the band plotted to rewrite history as well as

>science, particularly by eliminating the Medieval Warm Period, a 400 year

period

>that began around 1000 AD.

>

> The Climategate Emails reveal something else, too: the enlistment of the most

>widely read source of information in the world - Wikipedia - in the wholesale

>rewriting of this history.

> goes on to describe, in detail, what happened next.

> One person in the nine-member Realclimate.org team - U.K. scientist and Green

>Party activist Connolley - would take on particularly crucial duties.

>

> Connolley took control of all things climate in the most used information

>source the world has ever known - Wikipedia. Starting in February 2003, just

>when opposition to the claims of the band members were beginning to gel,

>Connolley set to work on the Wikipedia site. He rewrote Wikipedia's articles on

>global warming, on the greenhouse effect, on the instrumental temperature

>record, on the urban heat island, on climate models, on global cooling. On Feb.

>14, he began to erase the Little Ice Age; on Aug.11, the Medieval Warm Period.

>In October, he turned his attention to the hockey stick graph. He rewrote

>articles on the politics of global warming and on the scientists who were

>skeptical of the band. Lindzen and Fred Singer, two of the world's most

>distinguished climate scientists, were among his early targets, followed by

>others that the band especially hated, such as Willie Soon and Sallie Baliunas

>of the Harvard-sonian Center for Astrophysics, authorities on the Medieval

>Warm Period.

>

> All told, Connolley created or rewrote 5,428 unique Wikipedia articles. His

>control over Wikipedia was greater still, however, through the role he obtained

>at Wikipedia as a website administrator, which allowed him to act with virtual

>impunity. When Connolley didn't like the subject of a certain article, he

>removed it - more than 500 articles of various descriptions disappeared at his

>hand. When he disapproved of the arguments that others were making, he often

had

>them barred - over 2,000 Wikipedia contributors who ran afoul of him found

>themselves blocked from making further contributions. Acolytes whose writing

>conformed to Connolley's global warming views, in contrast, were rewarded with

>Wikipedia's blessings. In these ways, Connolley turned Wikipedia into the

>missionary wing of the global warming movement.

>

>

> OMG!!! WE CANNOT allow the truth of global warming be written about in

>Wikipedia! Or children might learn of such things and realize how we are

>destroying their future! Science based fact must be suppressed when we don't

>like it.

> Next complaint:

>

> " (3) Everybody in advanced health care knows that Wikipedia articles about

>health are manipulated by a secret group with an agenda designed to keep the

>health care status quo. No studies have yet been conducted to determine how

>much death and damage this group has caused to Earth's population. But I'd

>guess that it is considerable. "

>

> Of course. Everyone knows about the cabal that wants economic domination of

the

>world, suppresses knowledge, is releasing plagues to kill off the common people

>and fill our skies with contrails. WE KNOW WHO THEY ARE. And they are using

>Wikipedia to destroy humanity.

>

>

> Your second reference is actually not too bad. But it appears to be a

>compilation of people complaining that their edits to Wikipedia were not

>accepted. There is no way of knowing if their contributions were rightly or

>wrongly rejected. Wikipedia does mostly insist that claims put in Wikipedia

have

>references provided that support the claims. This can be a problem in

>alternative medicine where scientific supporting studies are often not in

>existence.

>

> Wikipedia is not perfect but it is not crap either. Even in the area of

>vitamins and alternative and complementary medicine.

>

>

> - Steve

>

>

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I think as long as you use WIKIpedia knowing it is providing tainted

information, and then go ahead follow up by checking the information against

actual data, you shouldn't go too far wrong.

The problem is, a lot of people see WIKIpedia as authoritative. This is

counterproductive in health discussions given WIKIpedia's manipulation and known

propagation of health disinformation.

The people who don't verify WIKIpedia information are part of the garbage in,

garbage out movement, and as such their own pool of knowledge is in question.

I think dismissal of WIKIpedia isn't as much out-of-hand as some people think it

is.

all good,

Duncan

>

> THANK YOU Steve, you made my day! I'm sick and tired of Wikipedia being

dismissed out of hand each and every time someone references it. And I agree

with your assessment. It may not be perfect (is anything?) but there is plenty

of good reference material there.

> All the Best,

> Dee

>

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I do a lot of research and I try to back up information with studies as much as

possible because of the bad information put out by both sides of the spectrum.

Especially anything remotely related to an MLM product. While I can make

mistakes, I also think I am more familiar than most regarding the accuracy of

Wikipedia since I have researched information from Wikipedia so many rimes. I

hate to tell the skeptics but Wikipedia is generally a good reference. But if

you dismiss all Wikipedia info automatically you will only continue your

nescience of Wikipedia. And that is ok as long as you only apply it to you. But

when someone replies to another's post simply that " I don't believe anything

from Wikipedia " and does not provide any counter information, that person is

trying to influence others opinions without any apparent basis and could cause

harm to another. Now, if that person is a senior and respected person on the

list it is even worse. Plus if someone wants to take issue with something then

they should be willing to do more than just say " I don't believe anything from

Wikipedia " and reference some worthless blog posting that doesn't like

Wikipedia.

As for tainted information Google " liquid zeolite " or " colloidal silver " and

try and find accurate information. Even on well respected sites. I can give you

numerous other examples. Google alternative cancer cure. Try and sort the bad

from the good. At least Wikipedia isn't trying to sell you something AND they

usually provide citations on the data they do provide.

I think dismissal of Wikipedia is as out of hand in most cases.

- Steve

From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Duncan Crow

Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 10:03 AM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re: alzheimers & dietary fats

I think as long as you use WIKIpedia knowing it is providing tainted

information, and then go ahead follow up by checking the information against

actual data, you shouldn't go too far wrong.

The problem is, a lot of people see WIKIpedia as authoritative. This is

counterproductive in health discussions given WIKIpedia's manipulation and known

propagation of health disinformation.

The people who don't verify WIKIpedia information are part of the garbage in,

garbage out movement, and as such their own pool of knowledge is in question.

I think dismissal of WIKIpedia isn't as much out-of-hand as some people think it

is.

all good,

Duncan

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During our discussion of ketone bodies and Alzheimer's a few weeks ago I found

butyric acid is the main fatty acid; it's plentiful in butter and made also by

healthy probiotic bacteria in the gut. Butyric acid was also given in thje

research to " cure " IBD.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Do a search on youtube for DR MARY NEWPORT.

> She reversed her husbands alzheimers with coconut oil.

>

>

> Coconut Bob

>

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Hi Duncan,

Do you think ghee preserves the butyric acid from butter? It is a traditional

belief that ghee is good for the brain.

> >

> > Do a search on youtube for DR MARY NEWPORT.

> > She reversed her husbands alzheimers with coconut oil.

> >

> >

> > Coconut Bob

> >

>

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Hi Suren; yes, butyric acid is present in ghee. Ghee is the oily component of

butter; everything but the milk proteins and water is still in there, including

the short chain fatty acids.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Hi Duncan,

>

> Do you think ghee preserves the butyric acid from butter? It is a traditional

belief that ghee is good for the brain.

>

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Thank you Duncan.

> >

> > Hi Duncan,

> >

> > Do you think ghee preserves the butyric acid from butter? It is a

traditional belief that ghee is good for the brain.

> >

>

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