OT - Tooth decay options

February 15, 2011

My son has 9 cavities in yesterday's dental checkup. The only answer the

dentist has is fluoride. I am anti-fluoride and asked her about rinsing the

mouth with hydrogen peroxide to help kill the bad bacteria that are contributing

to decay. She said it would not be a good idea because it would be killing good

bacteria.

Any suggestions on a natural alternative to fluoride? In 3 back to back dental

visits, he has a total of 20 cavities. This is getting very expensive. My

other son and I have been oil pulling, but not sure if this is also helpful for

cavities.

Thanks for any suggestions you may have.

Deborah

February 15, 2011

Maybe you should check him for one of the following things:

Hypothyroidism (Free T3 and Free T4)

Celiac Disease

Poor gut flora also contributes to bad gastrointestinal issues which flow to

poor teeth.

Diet - is he getting enough Vit A & D?

This is a book by a man who cured his daughters tooth decay with diet

http://www.amazon.com/Cure-Tooth-Decay-Cavities-Nutrition/dp/0982021305 I have

met him at the West A Price conferences.

Buist, ND

OT - Tooth decay options

My son has 9 cavities in yesterday's dental checkup. The only answer the

dentist has is fluoride. I am anti-fluoride and asked her about rinsing the

mouth with hydrogen peroxide to help kill the bad bacteria that are contributing

to decay. She said it would not be a good idea because it would be killing good

bacteria.

Any suggestions on a natural alternative to fluoride? In 3 back to back dental

visits, he has a total of 20 cavities. This is getting very expensive. My other

son and I have been oil pulling, but not sure if this is also helpful for

cavities.

Thanks for any suggestions you may have.

Deborah

February 15, 2011

baking soda as a toothpaste.

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:10:02 -0000, you wrote:

>My son has 9 cavities in yesterday's dental checkup. The only answer the

dentist has is fluoride. I am anti-fluoride and asked her about rinsing the

mouth with hydrogen peroxide to help kill the bad bacteria that are contributing

to decay. She said it would not be a good idea because it would be killing good

bacteria.

>

>Any suggestions on a natural alternative to fluoride? In 3 back to back dental

visits, he has a total of 20 cavities. This is getting very expensive. My

other son and I have been oil pulling, but not sure if this is also helpful for

cavities.

>

>Thanks for any suggestions you may have.

>

>Deborah

February 15, 2011

Acupuncture/Chinese herbology, scenar, colloidal silver.

Godzilla/germkiller. Just off the top of my head.

On 2/15/2011 2:10 PM, sierra7932000 wrote:

> My son has 9 cavities in yesterday's dental checkup. The only answer the

dentist has is fluoride. I am anti-fluoride and asked her about rinsing the

mouth with hydrogen peroxide to help kill the bad bacteria that are contributing

to decay. She said it would not be a good idea because it would be killing good

bacteria.

>

> Any suggestions on a natural alternative to fluoride? In 3 back to back

dental visits, he has a total of 20 cavities. This is getting very expensive.

My other son and I have been oil pulling, but not sure if this is also helpful

for cavities.

>

> Thanks for any suggestions you may have.

>

> Deborah

>

> ------------------------------------

>

February 15, 2011

Hi Deborah

I want to encourage you that YES, oil pulling will be good for him. I would try

to get him to do it more than once each day.

Coconut Oil is also beneficial. If you do not already use this, get some and

make it your primary oil. Cook with it. Put it on bread instead of butter. Put

it in everything. Get it into his body every day as often as you can think. In

his cereal, on his veggies, in smoothies, tea, yogurt. The oil is liquid above

74 degrees and it starts to get solid at cooler temps, making it spreadable.

I would even wonder if you should not get a second opinion. That number of

cavities sounds inflated and impossible. Do you notice pits all over his teeth?

________________________________

From: todd horton <thorton9@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 3:30:48 PM

Subject: Re: OT - Tooth decay options

baking soda as a toothpaste.

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:10:02 -0000, you wrote:

>My son has 9 cavities in yesterday's dental checkup. The only answer the

>dentist has is fluoride. I am anti-fluoride and asked her about rinsing the

>mouth with hydrogen peroxide to help kill the bad bacteria that are

contributing

>to decay. She said it would not be a good idea because it would be killing

good

>bacteria.

>

>Any suggestions on a natural alternative to fluoride? In 3 back to back dental

>visits, he has a total of 20 cavities. This is getting very expensive. My

>other son and I have been oil pulling, but not sure if this is also helpful for

>cavities.

>

>Thanks for any suggestions you may have.

>

>Deborah

February 15, 2011

I know someone who went to the dentist and had something like 17 cavities, or so

she was told. This freaked her out, so she did not visit a dentist again for

several years. She did not have them filled. I found it interesting since she

is obsessive about brushing, etc.

Years later, she went to another dentist and she had 0 cavities.

Hmmm.... Wow. My confidence in dentists took a big hit. Where did all those

cavities go?

Don't think they would claim every little indention as a cavity and than drill

it out. Course, come to think about it - they get paid per cavity.

Now, I am second guessing the one filling I have. Did I really truly need it?

Was it really a cavity? What if I just left it alone?

I would advise finding a different dentist, one who was interested in

alternative thinking and not the standard allopathic drill baby drill...

There also seems to be a bit of evidence out there about cavities healing

themselves.

I would Google alternative or biological or natural dentistry and see what comes

up. Conventional dental thinking I suspect is suspect.

Good luck!

________________________________

From: Lyn K <godisbest4me@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 8:08:14 PM

Subject: Re: OT - Tooth decay options

Hi Deborah

I want to encourage you that YES, oil pulling will be good for him. I would try

to get him to do it more than once each day.

Coconut Oil is also beneficial. If you do not already use this, get some and

make it your primary oil. Cook with it. Put it on bread instead of butter. Put

it in everything. Get it into his body every day as often as you can think. In

his cereal, on his veggies, in smoothies, tea, yogurt. The oil is liquid above

74 degrees and it starts to get solid at cooler temps, making it spreadable.

I would even wonder if you should not get a second opinion. That number of

cavities sounds inflated and impossible. Do you notice pits all over his teeth?

________________________________

From: todd horton <thorton9@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 3:30:48 PM

Subject: Re: OT - Tooth decay options

baking soda as a toothpaste.

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:10:02 -0000, you wrote:

>My son has 9 cavities in yesterday's dental checkup. The only answer the

>dentist has is fluoride. I am anti-fluoride and asked her about rinsing the

>mouth with hydrogen peroxide to help kill the bad bacteria that are

contributing

>

>to decay. She said it would not be a good idea because it would be killing

good

>

>bacteria.

>

>Any suggestions on a natural alternative to fluoride? In 3 back to back dental

>visits, he has a total of 20 cavities. This is getting very expensive. My

>other son and I have been oil pulling, but not sure if this is also helpful for

>cavities.

>

>Thanks for any suggestions you may have.

>

>Deborah

February 15, 2011

Same thing happened to me. The dentist was just milking my insurance.

Fortunately I got a second opinion before I had many fillings done.

- Steve

From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Rule

Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 9:34 PM

Coconut Oil

Subject: EXT :Re: OT - Tooth decay options

I know someone who went to the dentist and had something like 17 cavities, or so

she was told. This freaked her out, so she did not visit a dentist again for

several years. She did not have them filled. I found it interesting since she

is obsessive about brushing, etc.

Years later, she went to another dentist and she had 0 cavities.

Hmmm.... Wow. My confidence in dentists took a big hit. Where did all those

cavities go?

February 15, 2011

Treat your teeth like your important organs. If you have a serious illness,

will you seek a second opinion or even a third opinion? Get a dentist that

you trust.

My wife works in a special dental clinic in the Department of Dentistry of a

major University. Some of the oral hygienists there told here many horror

stories about some private dental practices. You may suddenly need a root

canal when the dentist needs to make a payment for his yacht.

Try harmless natural remedies (such as oil pulling) first before seeking any

dental works.

Best,

Joe Ho

February 16, 2011

Hi, Spry Gum with xylitol is good for teeth. It kills the bacteria that

causes cavities. I buy it from the Vitamin Shoppe. Lowest price I've

found.

Deb

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:10 PM, sierra7932000 <debnjohn93@...>wrote:

>

> My son has 9 cavities in yesterday's dental checkup. The only answer the

> dentist has is fluoride. I am anti-fluoride and asked her about rinsing the

> mouth with hydrogen peroxide to help kill the bad bacteria that are

> contributing to decay. She said it would not be a good idea because it would

> be killing good bacteria.

>

> Any suggestions on a natural alternative to fluoride? In 3 back to back

> dental visits, he has a total of 20 cavities. This is getting very

> expensive. My other son and I have been oil pulling, but not sure if this is

> also helpful for cavities.

>

> Thanks for any suggestions you may have.

>

> Deborah

>

February 16, 2011

I have heard good things about oil pulling with sesame oil or with coconut oil.

The important thing is to brush often and after eating - especially sweets.

Sipping sweet juices all day is not good.

there is an herbal tooth and gum herbal tincture formula that is good.

Itr doesn't taste so good, but works well to tighten teeth.

If you want more info, email me off list.

I believe xylitol is in many of our toothpastes and some of the mouthwashes

that are commercially prepared.

Salt water and peroxide seem good to me - have done that for years...

I am not sure there are many good bacteria in the mouth, usually the problem is

the imbalance and the bad overtaking the good.

d

>

> My son has 9 cavities in yesterday's dental checkup. The only answer the

> dentist has is fluoride. I am anti-fluoride and asked her about rinsing the

> mouth with hydrogen peroxide to help kill the bad bacteria that are

> contributing to decay. She said it would not be a good idea because it would

> be killing good bacteria.

>

> Any suggestions on a natural alternative to fluoride? In 3 back to back

> dental visits, he has a total of 20 cavities. This is getting very

> expensive. My other son and I have been oil pulling, but not sure if this is

> also helpful for cavities.

>

> Thanks for any suggestions you may have.

>

> Deborah

>

February 16, 2011

Deborah: If your son doesn't floss and gets things stuck between the teeth (even

if you can't feel them) the decay will just spread and spread (I have several

fillings thanks to that phenomenon) Also, I think some peoeple's teeth are more

pervious to decay (hoping that pervious is the opposite of " impervious " )

Laurie

________________________________

From: Deb Bowman <stubbiegirl@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Wed, February 16, 2011 6:21:16 AM

Subject: Re: OT - Tooth decay options

Hi, Spry Gum with xylitol is good for teeth. It kills the bacteria that

causes cavities. I buy it from the Vitamin Shoppe. Lowest price I've

found.

Deb

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:10 PM, sierra7932000 <debnjohn93@...>wrote:

>

> My son has 9 cavities in yesterday's dental checkup. The only answer the

> dentist has is fluoride. I am anti-fluoride and asked her about rinsing the

> mouth with hydrogen peroxide to help kill the bad bacteria that are

> contributing to decay. She said it would not be a good idea because it would

> be killing good bacteria.

>

> Any suggestions on a natural alternative to fluoride? In 3 back to back

> dental visits, he has a total of 20 cavities. This is getting very

> expensive. My other son and I have been oil pulling, but not sure if this is

> also helpful for cavities.

>

> Thanks for any suggestions you may have.

>

> Deborah

>

February 16, 2011

Yes, there are money-grubbing service providers out there. I have a story, too.

So that is why I suggested to you to get a second opinion. Especially at that

large number of cavities, you should notice pits all over his teeth if that was

a true diagnosis.

________________________________

From: Rule <rulewater@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Wed, February 16, 2011 12:33:39 AM

Subject: Re: OT - Tooth decay options

I know someone who went to the dentist and had something like 17 cavities, or so

she was told. This freaked her out, so she did not visit a dentist again for

several years. She did not have them filled. I found it interesting since she

is obsessive about brushing, etc.

Years later, she went to another dentist and she had 0 cavities.

Hmmm.... Wow. My confidence in dentists took a big hit. Where did all those

cavities go?

Don't think they would claim every little indention as a cavity and than drill

it out. Course, come to think about it - they get paid per cavity.

Now, I am second guessing the one filling I have. Did I really truly need it?

Was it really a cavity? What if I just left it alone?

I would advise finding a different dentist, one who was interested in

alternative thinking and not the standard allopathic drill baby drill...

There also seems to be a bit of evidence out there about cavities healing

themselves.

I would Google alternative or biological or natural dentistry and see what comes

up. Conventional dental thinking I suspect is suspect.

Good luck!

________________________________

From: Lyn K <godisbest4me@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 8:08:14 PM

Subject: Re: OT - Tooth decay options

Hi Deborah

I want to encourage you that YES, oil pulling will be good for him. I would try

to get him to do it more than once each day.

Coconut Oil is also beneficial. If you do not already use this, get some and

make it your primary oil. Cook with it. Put it on bread instead of butter. Put

it in everything. Get it into his body every day as often as you can think. In

his cereal, on his veggies, in smoothies, tea, yogurt. The oil is liquid above

74 degrees and it starts to get solid at cooler temps, making it spreadable.

I would even wonder if you should not get a second opinion. That number of

cavities sounds inflated and impossible. Do you notice pits all over his teeth?

________________________________

From: todd horton <thorton9@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 3:30:48 PM

Subject: Re: OT - Tooth decay options

baking soda as a toothpaste.

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:10:02 -0000, you wrote:

>My son has 9 cavities in yesterday's dental checkup. The only answer the

>dentist has is fluoride. I am anti-fluoride and asked her about rinsing the

>mouth with hydrogen peroxide to help kill the bad bacteria that are

contributing

>

>to decay. She said it would not be a good idea because it would be killing

good

>

>bacteria.

>

>Any suggestions on a natural alternative to fluoride? In 3 back to back dental

>visits, he has a total of 20 cavities. This is getting very expensive. My

>other son and I have been oil pulling, but not sure if this is also helpful for

>cavities.

>

>Thanks for any suggestions you may have.

>

>Deborah

February 16, 2011

Here's 3 things I've run across in learning about Tooth Decay & Health.

1) Saltwater & Teeth - I had a long booklet (on old Hard Drive) by a Dentist who

advised using Saltwater to brush teeth with. He had been using it for 30 years!

and hadn't seen a cavity in patients in that time. He was very confident about

it. He said to make a very salty solution and warm the saltwater before

brushing. I saved some files and may still have the book. I brush this way

everyday now. I swish between teeth and let the Saltwater sit in my mouth 2

minutes before brushing. Here's another testimony, not exactly the same method

but he got very good results.

http://www.healingteethnaturally.com/testimonial-salt-water-brushing-reverses-ca\

vities.html

2) A site with videos and free information by Ramiel Nagel, author of the book

" Cure Tooth Decay " . The 3rd video is called " Cure Tooth Decay & Cavities " .

http://www.yourreturn.org/Treatments/Teeth/index.htm

3) PHYTIC ACID & Reversing Tooth Decay

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/03/reversing-tooth-decay.html

They divided 62 children with cavities into three different diet groups for 6

months.

Group 1 ate their normal diet plus oatmeal (rich in phytic acid).

Group 2 ate their normal diet plus vitamin D.

Group 3 ate a grain-free diet and took vitamin D.

Groups 2 & 3 dramatically healed over Group 1 with forming cavities.

> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:10 PM, sierra7932000 <debnjohn93@...>wrote:

>

> >

> > My son has 9 cavities in yesterday's dental checkup. The only answer the

dentist has is fluoride. I am anti-fluoride and asked her about rinsing the

mouth with hydrogen peroxide to help kill the bad bacteria that are contributing

to decay. She said it would not be a good idea because it would be killing good

bacteria.

> >

> > Any suggestions on a natural alternative to fluoride? In 3 back to back

dental visits, he has a total of 20 cavities. This is getting very expensive. My

other son and I have been oil pulling, but not sure if this is also helpful for

cavities.

> >

> > Thanks for any suggestions you may have.

> >

> > Deborah

February 16, 2011

Magnesium (Mg) deficiency triggers or causes the following condition and taking

magnesium can either eliminate or help eliminate these conditions

22. Tooth decay- Mg deficiency causes an unhealthy balance of phosphorus and

calcium in saliva, which damages teeth.

>My son has 9 cavities in yesterday's dental checkup. The only answer the

dentist has is fluoride. I am anti-fluoride and asked her about rinsing the

mouth with hydrogen peroxide to help kill the bad bacteria that are contributing

to decay. She said it would not be a good idea because it would be killing good

bacteria.

>

>Any suggestions on a natural alternative to fluoride? In 3 back to back dental

visits, he has a total of 20 cavities. This is getting very expensive. My

other son and I have been oil pulling, but not sure if this is also helpful for

cavities.

>

>Thanks for any suggestions you may have.

>

>Deborah

------------------------------------

February 16, 2011

oh also oil pulling with coconut oil-fantastic

>My son has 9 cavities in yesterday's dental checkup. The only answer the

dentist has is fluoride. I am anti-fluoride and asked her about rinsing the

mouth with hydrogen peroxide to help kill the bad bacteria that are contributing

to decay. She said it would not be a good idea because it would be killing good

bacteria.

>

>Any suggestions on a natural alternative to fluoride? In 3 back to back dental

visits, he has a total of 20 cavities. This is getting very expensive. My

other son and I have been oil pulling, but not sure if this is also helpful for

cavities.

>

>Thanks for any suggestions you may have.

>

>Deborah

------------------------------------

February 16, 2011

Agreed, and xylitol gum is do-able for children.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Hi, Spry Gum with xylitol is good for teeth. It kills the bacteria that

> causes cavities. I buy it from the Vitamin Shoppe. Lowest price I've

> found.

> Deb

>

February 18, 2011

Posted by: " Lyn K " on Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:08 pm (PST)

> I want to encourage you that YES, oil pulling will be good for him. I

> would try to get him to do it more than once each day.

I'm curious... I recall reading somewhere that oil-pulling was most

beneficial if only certain oils were used... and specifically coconut

oil was not one of the recommended oils... I think sesame, and maybe

sunflower oils were the ones most recommended...

Comments?

February 18, 2011

Hi ,

I don't oil pull, but I have seen many good things about it. There were

recommended oils in one article and then another said there were good results

from other oils, too. I would just make it a healthy oil for oil pulling and

anything dealing with health and the body. Coconut oil has caprylic acid and

that kills bad bacteria and parasites, this I know from personal experience. So

I just recommended that as a healthy oil for both oil pulling and diet.

________________________________

From: <libertytrek@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Fri, February 18, 2011 10:48:19 AM

Subject: Re: OT - Tooth decay options

Posted by: " Lyn K " on Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:08 pm (PST)

> I want to encourage you that YES, oil pulling will be good for him. I

> would try to get him to do it more than once each day.

I'm curious... I recall reading somewhere that oil-pulling was most

beneficial if only certain oils were used... and specifically coconut

oil was not one of the recommended oils... I think sesame, and maybe

sunflower oils were the ones most recommended...

Comments?

February 18, 2011

When pressed, the " oil pulling " guru Bruce Fife, agreed on this list that that

oil pulling is really a misnomer as it doesn't " pull " anything out of the body

or gums at all, and the cleansing effect is obtained by mechanical swishing

action.

To that I could add if you need oil pulling, you're probably an excellent

candidate for brushing and flossing too. I think there's no comparison to

flossing.

So, all of the oils will be equal in that respect; all contain some fatty acids

that kill germs. I'm glad to help beat down another emerging myth

all good,

Duncan

>

> Posted by: " Lyn K " on Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:08 pm (PST)

> > I want to encourage you that YES, oil pulling will be good for him. I

> > would try to get him to do it more than once each day.

>

> I'm curious... I recall reading somewhere that oil-pulling was most

> beneficial if only certain oils were used... and specifically coconut

> oil was not one of the recommended oils... I think sesame, and maybe

> sunflower oils were the ones most recommended...

>

> Comments?

>

February 18, 2011

That's true. My eldest had chocolate and things with sugar between the

ages of about 18 months and three years, before I became very diet

conscious, and he still has no decay at the age of 14. The 10 year old

had virtually no sugar until he was about 7, and he has just a little bit of

decay. The youngest also had almost no sugar at all, e.g. just very

occasionally in food such as organic ice cream, that sort of thing, but had

lots of decay by the time she was 2 years old. They all had a good diet

with lots of vegetables, organic meats, organic dairy and absolutely no junk

food and no lollies.

The two year old, who is now six, experienced a dramatic improvement in her

teeth taking good quality cod liver oil and Butter X factor. Some

cavities almost disappeared, but she's still the one most vulnerable to

decay.

> I think some peoeple's teeth are more pervious to decay (hoping that

> pervious is the opposite of " impervious " )

>

> Laurie

>

February 19, 2011

I would like to clear up some confusion about oil pulling. The name " oil

pulling " is actually very descriptive of what is going on. While swishing

oil in the mouth, the oil is actually pulling germs, mucus, and pus from the

mouth-cleaning the teeth and gums better than flossing or brushing, although

they are important too. It does not, however, pull toxins out of the

bloodstream and into the mouth. That would be impossible. But the fact that

it does pull disease-causing bacteria and viruses from the mouth has

far-reaching health consequences. These germs are constantly seeping into

the bloodstream and cause a lot of health problems. By removing the source

of the problem, the body is able to detox better and healing results. I go

into detail on this process in my book " Oil Pulling Therapy " and back it up

with references to literally hundreds of published studies. Many of the

early studies were performed by Dr. Weston A. Price. His research on this

topic was incredible.

Bruce

From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Duncan Crow

Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 6:45 PM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re: OT - Tooth decay options

When pressed, the " oil pulling " guru Bruce Fife, agreed on this list that

that oil pulling is really a misnomer as it doesn't " pull " anything out of

the body or gums at all, and the cleansing effect is obtained by mechanical

swishing action.

To that I could add if you need oil pulling, you're probably an excellent

candidate for brushing and flossing too. I think there's no comparison to

flossing.

So, all of the oils will be equal in that respect; all contain some fatty

acids that kill germs. I'm glad to help beat down another emerging myth

all good,

Duncan

>

> Posted by: " Lyn K " on Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:08 pm (PST)

> > I want to encourage you that YES, oil pulling will be good for him. I

> > would try to get him to do it more than once each day.

>

> I'm curious... I recall reading somewhere that oil-pulling was most

> beneficial if only certain oils were used... and specifically coconut

> oil was not one of the recommended oils... I think sesame, and maybe

> sunflower oils were the ones most recommended...

>

> Comments?

>

February 19, 2011

My method of brushing is in using a bacterial fighter like peroxide or Basic H

from Shaklee. I have also acquired two mechanical toothbrushes over a few years.

First was Sonicare and then, last year, Crest Spinbrush. Then my method is to

brush twice. Brush and rinse. Then, put peroxide or Basic H into the mouth and

floss. Then with peroxide/BH in the mouth, brush again. I brush the entire

inside of my mouth, not " just teeth. " That includes teeth, roof of mouth,

tongue, under tongue, as far back the throat as I can go, cheeks, lips. In the

first years I was doing this, I could not go back the throat without gagging.

But it has gotten easier with practice. Also, at first I was using a manual

brush to brush my mouth because of the larger surface of bristles. But now that

I have the spinbrush, I've been spoiled!

I really liked my Sonicare, which was my first purchase. My dentist even noticed

that my teeth were cleaner and there was less picking and scraping for her to

do.

As for toothpaste, I have not found anything natural yet that comes in a paste

that will kill bacteria in my mouth. (I want to note here that I just don't

believe those " baking soda & peroxide " claims on some toothpaste tubes. Plus I

do not use fluoride and stay clear of ingredients I can't pronounce.

I've been using this method for years and I still have people ask me what

toothpaste I use because my teeth are so white.

No one needs those whitening strips!

________________________________

From: Bruce Fife <bruce@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Sat, February 19, 2011 2:36:58 PM

Subject: RE: Re: OT - Tooth decay options