Re: Weight Gain with Coconut Oil

[Guest guest]

Whatever would I eat with my many curries without my rice and roti bread? Most

of Asia eats rice daily, and to me, they seem a lot healthier than the average

American, though that may be due to the fact that they exercise portion control.

I never feel better than when I'm in India eating the native foods, and every

meal there contains grain. Nothing is served without breads and rice.

When I went down to under 80 carbs a day, I was losing too much weight, too

quickly, and I was terribly unhappy with the limitations, despite being a

gourmet cook. I will admit, however, that I did feel good, though not better

than when I was still eating rice, beans and simple, flat breads.

M

> Whole rice is bad carb.

[Guest guest]

On 2011-02-22 11:17 PM, Byron wrote:

> That is more media hype than reality, don't believe the whole grains

> myth that they are good for you.

I'm very aware of that... but not all grains are created equal either.

To lump Teff or Amaranth in the same category as corn or wheat is just

as ignorant as your last comment (below)...

> Vegetables are good carbs, fruit in small amounts and cut out the

> rest. Just focus on the 72 number or less. If your trying to lose

> weight down to 20 carbs a day. You need to pick up a book about low

> carb so you'll understand and follow it better.

I'm very aware of what many books say about low carb, I just don't know

which parts of which to believe.

> Brown rice is just as bad as white sugar or potatoes so measure it and

> figure out how many grams of carbs your getting.

The ignorance of that one comment right there pretty much makes me tend

to want to dismiss anything else you have to say.

White sugar? Really? Bullcrap. You really need to pick your comparisons

better.

[Guest guest]

On 2011-02-23 12:14 AM, Duncan Crow wrote:

> Jim funny He's right, there are no " good carbs " unless they are

> so locked up in the food that they are extremely difficult to pry out

> and assimilate.

>

> Even our new superfood, stabilised rice bran, could be considered

> high-carb, after 80% or more of the carb value has been taken off.

>

> Whole rice is bad carb. Bad carbs force immune response low and fat

> storage high. Nix all grains, even the exotic ones, all starches,

> many of the sugars, most fruit and even sweet potatoes and yams, and

> you ight be very close to a balanced diet that will maintain your

> ideal body mass index naturally. If you eat meat and/or whey and get

> some exercise.

Your comment about the SRB sounds contradictory to me... if its 'high

carb', then by your other arguments, it is bad, regardless of its

nutritional value.

I do understand the argument, especially when it comes to certain goals

like weight loss, etc, but how do you account for entire civilizations

being extremely healthy on brown rice and/or certain other grains like

quinoa, teff, amaranth, etc (pre-modern Japanese and Chinese,

Aztecs/Incas, certain native American tribes, among others)?

[Guest guest]

One can account for other diets by pointing out that all are subsistence diets

by their nature, not optimised without specific effort.

I'm extremely healthy, healthier than I was in my 30's I'm sure, and I could be

tested for that in a physical contest, but I'm still not on an optimal diet or

supplement program by a long shot so will likely make further gains as I improve

it.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Your comment about the SRB sounds contradictory to me... if its 'high

> carb', then by your other arguments, it is bad, regardless of its

> nutritional value.

>

> I do understand the argument, especially when it comes to certain goals

> like weight loss, etc, but how do you account for entire civilizations

> being extremely healthy on brown rice and/or certain other grains like

> quinoa, teff, amaranth, etc (pre-modern Japanese and Chinese,

> Aztecs/Incas, certain native American tribes, among others)?

>

[Guest guest]

Hi :

Asians may be more healthy than the average American, but on a scale of

one to ten, Americans merit a nine at best. Let's face it, they love

junk and sweets and that is what they get, because they can afford it,

at least for now. My intention is to beat everyone in the world (why

not) and score a one while the Asians are puttering along at maybe five

with their rice and pork. Fortunately, curries and rice don't do a

thing for me, really, so it does not affect my scale. But I have to say

that I love whey... hey, that has a nice ring to it!

Appears to me that _if_ your diet is correct (and you get proper

exercise), your weight should be also... Does that make sense? Works

for me.

Cheers,

Jim

>Whatever would I eat with my many curries without my rice and roti

bread? Most of Asia eats rice daily, and to me, they seem a lot

healthier than the average American, though that may be due to the fact

that they exercise portion control. I never feel better than when I'm in

India eating the native foods, and every meal there contains grain.

Nothing is served without breads and rice.

When I went down to under 80 carbs a day, I was losing too much weight,

too quickly, and I was terribly unhappy with the limitations, despite

being a gourmet cook. I will admit, however, that I did feel good,

though not better than when I was still eating rice, beans and simple,

flat breads.

M<

[Guest guest]

> > That is more media hype than reality, don't believe the whole grains

> > myth that they are good for you.

>

> I'm very aware of that... but not all grains are created equal either.

> To lump Teff or Amaranth in the same category as corn or wheat is just

I didnt say anything about exotic gtrains, we were talking about carbs in

general not the nutritional values or pro or cons. But high carb is high carb

with or without or nutritional values.

> as ignorant as your last comment (below)...

>

> > Vegetables are good carbs, fruit in small amounts and cut out the

> > rest. Just focus on the 72 number or less. If your trying to lose

> > weight down to 20 carbs a day. You need to pick up a book about low

> > carb so you'll understand and follow it better.

>

> I'm very aware of what many books say about low carb, I just don't know

> which parts of which to believe.

These are not belief systems...pick up a book on the glycemic index of foods. It

is the food industry that produces grain products that is trying to confuse you.

There is a lot of money at stake.

>

> > Brown rice is just as bad as white sugar or potatoes so measure it and

> > figure out how many grams of carbs your getting.

>

> The ignorance of that one comment right there pretty much makes me tend

> to want to dismiss anything else you have to say.

>

> White sugar? Really? Bullcrap. You really need to pick your comparisons

> better.

>

Brown rice has the same glycemic index as a snicker bar. look it up.

[Guest guest]

On 2011-02-24 9:09 AM, Byron wrote:

> Tanstaafl wrote:

>> On 2011-02-22 11:17 PM, Byron wrote:

>>> That is more media hype than reality, don't believe the whole grains

>>> myth that they are good for you.

>> I'm very aware of that... but not all grains are created equal either.

>> To lump Teff or Amaranth in the same category as corn or wheat is just

> I didn't say anything about exotic grains,

No, you didn't, you simply made a blanket statement that gets one into

trouble.

> we were talking about carbs in general

My comment was in response to your comment about whole grains

*specifically* (not carbs in general)... see above.

> not the nutritional values or pro or cons. But high carb is

> high carb with or without or nutritional values.

Yes, but high carb foods that are packed with nutrition are *not* 'as

bad as white sugar', regardless of what you think you know about high

carb vs low carb eating.

> Brown rice has the same glycemic index as a snicker bar. look it up.

Ahh... excellent argument in support of your comment that brown rice is

as bad as white sugar... NOT...

*Lots* of things that are healthy foods have the same glycemic index as

a snickers bar... some even much higher...

I think we can drop this conversation now...