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From: duncancrow <duncancrow@...>

Subject: Re: OT - Tooth decay options - toothpaste

choices

Coconut Oil

Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 1:18 PM

 

I understand your point Dee and I understand the others' too. However you

get there is good. Here's the summary on tooth decay options that I just posted

to the electroherbalism group:

Ink's still wet on our discussion of dental care at the coconut_oil_open forum;

(Feb 22, 2011 search: Tooth decay options)

What we arrived at was (oddly coconut oil swishing is not in the top three):

* waterpik with CS and peroxide or ozone; waterpik has better reach and much

stronger jet pressure than swishing oil in your mouth (some call it " oil

pulling " but it doesn't " pull " anything from the tissues); and kills viruses,

parasites and fungi that coconut oil does not.

* spin brush or sonicare brushing; manual brushing doesn't hold a candle to it

with regard to removing softer calculus and biofilm, and you can brush your

whole mouth with it.

* flossing gets the stuff caught between teeth that swishing and brushing do

not.

If you leave any of them out there is debris left behind.

* coconut oil swishing (AKA " oil pulling " ) is mentioned because some adherents

prefer it, but it only gets loose material from between the teeth and below the

gumline, using much less pressure than a waterpik.

One would waterpik, then brush, then floss. Some brush, then floss, then

waterpik. Where the gums bleed, go deep as possible and they will recover and

tighten up over a few weeks. One person swishes with oil, then brushes, then

flosses, but she's had no end of trouble for 30 years and I think the swishing

is inadequate below the gumline.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Duncan,

>

> I know what the term adjuvant means. In my case oil PULLING is my primary

practice because it is the only one that reversed my gum situation where

brushing and flossing did not. In fact I developed the condition despite

brushing & flossing - and many others do as well, though not usually at such a

young age - therefore I consider these procedures to be adjuvant to the oil

PULLING. And you can call it " swishing " if you like but I don't believe it to

be the better description because the procedure is obviously PULLING out puss

that can develop deep inside the gums. Btw, this condition was not apparent

visually. My gums and teeth looked fine. The only symptom was a sore lump that

developed on one side of my gums, after which an X-ray revealed large pockets of

puss on both sides.

>

> Dee

>

[Guest guest]

electroherbalism group:

electroherbalism

all good,

Duncan

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> > I know what the term adjuvant means. In my case oil PULLING is my primary

practice because it is the only one that reversed my gum situation where

brushing and flossing did not. In fact I developed the condition despite

brushing & flossing - and many others do as well, though not usually at such a

young age - therefore I consider these procedures to be adjuvant to the oil

PULLING. And you can call it " swishing " if you like but I don't believe it to

be the better description because the procedure is obviously PULLING out puss

that can develop deep inside the gums. Btw, this condition was not apparent

visually. My gums and teeth looked fine. The only symptom was a sore lump that

developed on one side of my gums, after which an X-ray revealed large pockets of

puss on both sides.

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[Guest guest]

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> swishing oil in your mouth (some call it " oil pulling " but it doesn't " pull "

anything from the tissues)

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>

Duncan,

Can you refer us to anything that would substantiate that opinion? And who is

the " we " who arrived at it?????

Dr. Fife - who wrote a book on it had this to say (including testimonials):

http://www.coconutresearchcenter.org/article%20oil%20pulling.htm

And then there are the tons of testimonials at earthclinic.com

http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/oil_pulling.html

So on what are you basing your opinion that " oil pulling doesn't pull anything

from the tissues " ?

Dee

p.s. I wouldn't keep up this conversation with you except for the fact there are

newbies here who might think - due to your techno-jargon paired with extreme

confidence in your own stated opinions - that you know what you are talking

about regarding all subjects.

Dee

>

>

> From: duncancrow <duncancrow@...>

> Subject: Re: OT - Tooth decay options - toothpaste

choices

> Coconut Oil

> Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 1:18 PM

>

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> What we arrived at was (oddly coconut oil swishing is not in the top three):

>

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> * waterpik with CS and peroxide or ozone; waterpik has better reach and much

stronger jet pressure than swishing oil in your mouth (some call it " oil

pulling " but it doesn't " pull " anything from the tissues); and kills viruses,

parasites and fungi that coconut oil does not.

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> > I know what the term adjuvant means. In my case oil PULLING is my primary

practice because it is the only one that reversed my gum situation where

brushing and flossing did not. In fact I developed the condition despite

brushing & flossing - and many others do as well, though not usually at such a

young age - therefore I consider these procedures to be adjuvant to the oil

PULLING. And you can call it " swishing " if you like but I don't believe it to

be the better description because the procedure is obviously PULLING out puss

that can develop deep inside the gums. Btw, this condition was not apparent

visually. My gums and teeth looked fine. The only symptom was a sore lump that

developed on one side of my gums, after which an X-ray revealed large pockets of

puss on both sides.

>

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[Guest guest]

But when you're 'swishing', you are 'pulling' food bits from between your

teeth, right???

Judy

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Dolores <dgk@...> wrote:

>

>

> >

> > swishing oil in your mouth (some call it " oil pulling " but it doesn't

> " pull " anything from the tissues)

> >

> >

> Duncan,

>

> Can you refer us to anything that would substantiate that opinion? And who

> is the " we " who arrived at it?????

>

> Dr. Fife - who wrote a book on it had this to say (including testimonials):

>

> http://www.coconutresearchcenter.org/article%20oil%20pulling.htm

>

> And then there are the tons of testimonials at earthclinic.com

>

> http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/oil_pulling.html

>

> So on what are you basing your opinion that " oil pulling doesn't pull

> anything from the tissues " ?

>

> Dee

>

> p.s. I wouldn't keep up this conversation with you except for the fact

> there are newbies here who might think - due to your techno-jargon paired

> with extreme confidence in your own stated opinions - that you know what you

> are talking about regarding all subjects.

>

> Dee

>

> >

> >

> > From: duncancrow <duncancrow@...>

> > Subject: Re: OT - Tooth decay options -

> toothpaste choices

> > Coconut Oil

> > Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 1:18 PM

> >

>

> >snip>

> >

> >

> > What we arrived at was (oddly coconut oil swishing is not in the top

> three):

> >

> >

> >

> > * waterpik with CS and peroxide or ozone; waterpik has better reach and

> much stronger jet pressure than swishing oil in your mouth (some call it

> " oil pulling " but it doesn't " pull " anything from the tissues); and kills

> viruses, parasites and fungi that coconut oil does not.

> >

> >

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> >

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> >

> > > Duncan,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > I know what the term adjuvant means. In my case oil PULLING is my

> primary practice because it is the only one that reversed my gum situation

> where brushing and flossing did not. In fact I developed the condition

> despite brushing & flossing - and many others do as well, though not usually

> at such a young age - therefore I consider these procedures to be adjuvant

> to the oil PULLING. And you can call it " swishing " if you like but I don't

> believe it to be the better description because the procedure is obviously

> PULLING out puss that can develop deep inside the gums. Btw, this condition

> was not apparent visually. My gums and teeth looked fine. The only symptom

> was a sore lump that developed on one side of my gums, after which an X-ray

> revealed large pockets of puss on both sides.

> >

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[Guest guest]

Dee, Dr. Fife came on-list a couple of times to clazrify the point that " oil

pulling " doesn't pull anything from the tissues but it does from between the

gums and teeth.

My opinion is that the term " oil pulling " is misleading people, and thank you

for verifying that.

Have a nice day ...you noobs have a nice day too, y'hear?

all good,

Duncan

>

> >

> > swishing oil in your mouth (some call it " oil pulling " but it doesn't

" pull " anything from the tissues)

> >

> >

> Duncan,

>

> Can you refer us to anything that would substantiate that opinion? And who is

the " we " who arrived at it?????

>

> Dr. Fife - who wrote a book on it had this to say (including testimonials):

>

> http://www.coconutresearchcenter.org/article%20oil%20pulling.htm

>

> And then there are the tons of testimonials at earthclinic.com

>

> http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/oil_pulling.html

>

> So on what are you basing your opinion that " oil pulling doesn't pull anything

from the tissues " ?

>

> Dee

>

> p.s. I wouldn't keep up this conversation with you except for the fact there

are newbies here who might think - due to your techno-jargon paired with extreme

confidence in your own stated opinions - that you know what you are talking

about regarding all subjects.

>

> Dee

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan,

So are you saying that Dr. Fife's posts are what you are basing your opinion on

- despite the fact he recently posted a refutation to you personally? To refresh

your memory, here is what he said:

>

> I would like to clear up some confusion about oil pulling. The name " oil

> pulling " is actually very descriptive of what is going on. While swishing

> oil in the mouth, the oil is actually pulling germs, mucus, and pus from

the

> mouth-cleaning the teeth and gums better than flossing or brushing,

although

> they are important too. It does not, however, pull toxins out of the

> bloodstream and into the mouth. That would be impossible. But the fact

that

> it does pull disease-causing bacteria and viruses from the mouth has

> far-reaching health consequences. These germs are constantly seeping into

> the bloodstream and cause a lot of health problems. By removing the source

> of the problem, the body is able to detox better and healing results. I go

> into detail on this process in my book " Oil Pulling Therapy " and back it

up

> with references to literally hundreds of published studies. Many of the

> early studies were performed by Dr. Weston A. Price. His research on this

> topic was incredible.

>

> Bruce

So can you please explain to me Duncan how this statement verifies your

position? What he is saying is that it doesn't pull anything from the BLOOD (as

some thought) but certainly it is pulling it from the tissues inside the mouth.

If that were not so it would not have reversed my condition as no other process

had. And it certainly would not have the far reaching consequences (such as

effects on the sinuses, asthma, allergies, chronic fatigue, diabetes, migraine

headaches, PMS, and chronic skin problems that many report if it merely had

surface cleansing abilities as do brushing, flossing, or a water pik - not that

they aren't helpful as well.

Dee

>

> Dee, Dr. Fife came on-list a couple of times to clazrify the point that " oil

pulling " doesn't pull anything from the tissues but it does from between the

gums and teeth.

>

> My opinion is that the term " oil pulling " is misleading people, and thank you

for verifying that.

>

> Have a nice day ...you noobs have a nice day too, y'hear?

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

[Guest guest]

Dee, [oil pulling] " ...does not, however, pull toxins out of the

bloodstream and into the mouth. That would be impossible. "

Bruce's words verify my position just fine. Nothing is pulled out of the

tissues, just the area between teeth and gums.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Duncan,

> > So can you please explain to me Duncan how this statement verifies your

position?

[Guest guest]

Hi Judy,

Yes, but most who do it do so before eating. However, if there is food remaining

from the brushing you did the night before it will remove that too. The main

point of oil pulling is to pull out toxins, bacteria, and viruses that have

accumulated inside the gums. This is not the same thing as " food stuffs " which

are much larger. You definitely don't want to swallow the stuff and it's best to

spit it in the garbage rather than in the sink so as not to contaminate that

surface. You can verify that you have indeed pulled out toxins and bacteria by

the color as you will notice that the clear oil has turned white. After pulling

one also rinses thoroughly and then brushes in order to remove all the oil that

contains the toxins, etc.

Dee

>

> But when you're 'swishing', you are 'pulling' food bits from between your

> teeth, right???

> Judy

[Guest guest]

That makes perfect sense, Dee. I haven't done this much yet, but intend to

start again; I'm noticing a toothache the last couple days, and maybe this

would help a little. I knew you wouldn't swallow it, and I think it best

to spit it in the garbage too - another reason being that perhaps it might

go back to a more solid state (cooler pipes), and end up on the pipes, or

clog the sink (eventually).

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Dolores <dgk@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi Judy,

>

> Yes, but most who do it do so before eating. However, if there is food

> remaining from the brushing you did the night before it will remove that

> too. The main point of oil pulling is to pull out toxins, bacteria, and

> viruses that have accumulated inside the gums. This is not the same thing as

> " food stuffs " which are much larger. You definitely don't want to swallow

> the stuff and it's best to spit it in the garbage rather than in the sink so

> as not to contaminate that surface. You can verify that you have indeed

> pulled out toxins and bacteria by the color as you will notice that the

> clear oil has turned white. After pulling one also rinses thoroughly and

> then brushes in order to remove all the oil that contains the toxins, etc.

>

> Dee

>

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Duncan,

Blood fluid and tissue fluid are not one and the same thing. Blood contains

erythrocytes, thrombocytes and leukocytes whereas tissue fluid does not:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_difference_between_blood_and_tissue_fluid

In addition, pockets of gum infection in periodontal disease are not just

" between the teeth and gum " where flossing or water piks can reach. They are way

up inside the gum surrounding the roots where they destroy the bone. I have seen

this on my x-rays. Oil pulling seems to have the ability to pull the infective

material out of these deep pockets.

Dee

> >

> > Duncan,

> > > So can you please explain to me Duncan how this statement verifies your

position?

>

[Guest guest]

On 2011-02-23 11:53 PM, Duncan Crow wrote:

> Bruce's words verify my position just fine. Nothing is pulled out of

> the tissues, just the area between teeth and gums.

Tissues != blood.

I can see how it could have a tendency to 'pull', just by virtue of

mechanical action - and who knows, maybe some 'magnetic/body-electric'

action going on there too - toxins from within the tissues that are

immediately inside the mouth, ie the gums, the tongue, and the cheeks...

On 2011-02-24 12:34 AM, Dolores wrote:

> You can verify that you have indeed pulled out toxins and bacteria by

> the color as you will notice that the clear oil has turned white.

How exactly does the color white prove that you've pulled out toxins?

While I'm not saying oil-pulling doesn't pull out toxins from the mouth,

the resulting white color hardly proves anything.

It would be interesting to see some lab testing done on a group of test

subjects...

[Guest guest]

>

>

> How exactly does the color white prove that you've pulled out toxins?

>

Think puss, pimples, vaginal yeast infections, sputum. . . .need I go on or are

you sufficiently grossed out by now :-). I'm not sure about toxins but bacteria

generally manifests as white and it's the bacteria that causes periodontal gum

infection.

Dee

[Guest guest]

On 2011-02-24 10:09 AM, Dolores wrote:

>> How exactly does the color white prove that you've pulled out toxins?

> Think puss, pimples, vaginal yeast infections, sputum. . . .need I go on

> or are you sufficiently grossed out by now :-). I'm not sure about

> toxins but bacteria generally manifests as white and it's the bacteria

> that causes periodontal gum infection.

Right, as I said, it doesn't prove anything...

[Guest guest]

Do you have a better (or alternate) explanation?

Dee

> >> How exactly does the color white prove that you've pulled out toxins?

>

> > Think puss, pimples, vaginal yeast infections, sputum. . . .need I go on

> > or are you sufficiently grossed out by now :-). I'm not sure about

> > toxins but bacteria generally manifests as white and it's the bacteria

> > that causes periodontal gum infection.

>

> Right, as I said, it doesn't prove anything...

>

[Guest guest]

On 2011-02-24 11:10 AM, Dolores wrote:

> Tanstaafl wrote:

>> On 2011-02-24 10:09 AM, Dolores wrote:

>>>> How exactly does the color white prove that you've pulled out toxins?

>>> Think puss, pimples, vaginal yeast infections, sputum. . . .need I go on

>>> or are you sufficiently grossed out by now :-). I'm not sure about

>>> toxins but bacteria generally manifests as white and it's the bacteria

>>> that causes periodontal gum infection.

>> Right, as I said, it doesn't prove anything...

> Do you have a better (or alternate) explanation?

Sure, I can come up with alternate explanations, but they wouldn't be

any more provable...

Again, all I'm saying is that the fact that the color turns white

doesn't *prove* anything.

I'll wager that someone with a perfectly healthy mouth would have the

same result (the oil would turn white after swishing for x minutes)...

[Guest guest]

Hmmm. Well, you could always perform the experiment yourself. But how then will

you determine you have a perfectly healthy mouth? You could have a lab test I

guess. On the other hand when someone is excreting a white substance from

somewhere in/on the body it is generally taken to be an indication of bacterial

infection of some kind, is it not? But don't let me stop you from being a

skeptic. Skepticism is good.

Dee

>

> I'll wager that someone with a perfectly healthy mouth would have the

> same result (the oil would turn white after swishing for x minutes)...

>

[Guest guest]

On 2011-02-24 11:45 AM, Dolores wrote:

> On the other hand when someone is excreting a

> white substance from somewhere in/on the body

That is my point - having the oil turn watery and white does *not* mean

that the white is something that was *excreted* from anywhere in the

mouth... it is likely just what happens to the oil as it is swished and

combined with the saliva in the mouth.

[Guest guest]

On 2011-02-24 11:45 AM, Dolores wrote:

> On the other hand when someone is excreting a white substance from

> somewhere in/on the body

That is my point - having the oil turn watery and white does *not* mean

that the white is something that was *excreted* from anywhere in the

mouth... it is likely just what happens to the oil as it is swished and

combined with the saliva in the mouth.

[Guest guest]

Sorry for the dupe...

[Guest guest]

Oil and water emulsify to form a white liquid. This is the method used to make

salad dressing, some whipped margarines, and face creams.

all good,

Duncan

> > >> How exactly does the color white prove that you've pulled out toxins?

> >

> > > Think puss, pimples, vaginal yeast infections, sputum. . . .need I go on

> > > or are you sufficiently grossed out by now :-). I'm not sure about

> > > toxins but bacteria generally manifests as white and it's the bacteria

> > > that causes periodontal gum infection.

> >

> > Right, as I said, it doesn't prove anything...

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Again just so you don't miss it Dee, emulsified water and oil are white.

all good,

Duncan

> >

>

> > I'll wager that someone with a perfectly healthy mouth would have the

> > same result (the oil would turn white after swishing for x minutes)...

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan, You seem to be requesting a reply since this is the second time you

mentioned it. Trouble is, the emulsified theory doesn't explain the fact that it

isn't ALWAYS white and is sometimes whiter than others - for example if I am

unable to do the pulling for a day or two the next day it will be very white.

And quite often it is BARELY white. Because of that it seemed reasonable to

assume it was because I have been doing this for quite some time so there would

be less bacteria. Perhaps the answer is that there is more than one process

going on at the same time: emulsifying plus bacterial exudate, which would

account for the variation in whiteness.

At any rate this is hardly the important issue. The fact that the oil pulling

reversed my condition is proof enough that it has pulled disease causing

bacteria from where it once resided deep within my gums. Enough said.

Over and Out,

Dee

> > >

> >

> > > I'll wager that someone with a perfectly healthy mouth would have the

> > > same result (the oil would turn white after swishing for x minutes)...

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dee, varying the oil:water, actual emuslification, or whipping action varies the

whiteness and opacity of the liquid. It will generally go more opaque and

thicker the more the product is whipped, to whatever final consistency the ratio

of oil:water dictates. Miracle whip for example forms peaks and is entirely

opaque.

all good,

Duncan

> >

> > Again just so you don't miss it Dee, emulsified water and oil are white.

> >

> > all good,

> >

> > Duncan

> >

> > --- In

[Guest guest]

Add a small amount of lecithin when oil pulling. That will really

enhance the emulsification of oil and water!

I do oil pulling rarely these days. Too boring and too time

consuming. My mind does not like me doing 2 tasks at once. I like to

focus on the task-at-hand. Be here now! If I oil pull while reading

e-mail, I wind up dribbling oil all over, or choking on the oil. Some

with oil pulling while making breakfast. But when I do use il

pulling, the more vigorously squish the oil around, the whiter and

frothier it becomes.

Alobar

On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

> Dee, varying the oil:water, actual emuslification, or whipping action varies

the whiteness and opacity of the liquid. It will generally go more opaque and

thicker the more the product is whipped, to whatever final consistency the ratio

of oil:water dictates. Miracle whip for example forms peaks and is entirely

opaque.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

>

>>

>> Duncan, You seem to be requesting a reply since this is the second time  you

mentioned it. Trouble is, the emulsified theory doesn't explain the fact that it

isn't ALWAYS white and is sometimes whiter than others - for example if I am

unable to do the pulling for a day or two the next day it will be very white.

And quite often it is BARELY white. Because of that it seemed reasonable to

assume it was because I have been doing this for quite some time so there would

be less bacteria. Perhaps the answer is that there is more than one process

going on at the same time: emulsifying plus bacterial exudate,  which would

account for the variation in whiteness.

>>

>> At any rate this is hardly the important issue. The fact that the oil pulling

reversed my condition is proof enough that it has pulled disease causing

bacteria from where it once resided deep within my gums. Enough said.

>>

>> Over and Out,

>> Dee

>>

[Guest guest]

Duncan,

You are grasping at straws here if you think this proves that what is spit out

does not contain bacteria and viruses and is therefore of little value for oral

(and overall) health - when the overwhelming amount of testimonials plus

scientific evidence says that it is. Here is a website that presents both:

http://www.quantumplus.us/OilPulling.html

In addition it confirms what I surmised in my previous post to be true:

" Perhaps the answer is that there is more than one process going on at the same

time: emulsifying plus bacterial exudate . . . "

Yes, the emulsifying effect of the saliva and oil does affect the color - BUT:

" When Dr Karsch examined the gargled milk-white oil under a microscope with 600

magnification, he saw live organisms swimming in it. It's poisonous, so never

swallow it, he warns. These poisons are bacteria-embryos, which, if not

eliminated, cause diseases. Apparently, Dr Karsch cured his own chronic blood

disease and 15-year-old arthritis. "

More studies:

" Antibacterial activity of linoleic and oleic acids isolated from Helichrysum

pedunculatum: a plant used during circumcision rites. Dilika F, Bremner PD,

Meyer JJ.

Department of Botany, University of Pretoria, Pretoria 0002, South Africa.

The antibacterial activity-guided fractionation of the dichloromethane extract

of leaves of Helichrysum pedunculatum resulted in the isolation of linoleic and

oleic acids. Linoleic acid inhibited the growth of all the Gram-positive

bacterial species tested with the minimum inhibitory concentration (MIC) varying

between 0.01 and 1.0 mg/ml. Oleic acid was active against three of the five

Gram-positive bacteria at a MIC of 1.0 mg/ml. Both compounds were inactive

against the Gram-negative species tested. A synergistic effect between the two

fatty acids was observed against Staphylococcus aureus and Micrococcus

kristinae.

PMID: 10925024 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

As for the testimonials on this site alone - well they are too numerous to copy

and paste here so I hope you and others with an interest in oral care will take

the time to read them all. There is a ton of info there - more than enough to

validate Bruce Fife's contention that he posted here:

" > I would like to clear up some confusion about oil pulling. The name " oil

pulling " is actually very descriptive of what is going on. While swishing oil in

the mouth, the oil is actually pulling germs, mucus, and pus from the

mouth-cleaning the teeth and gums better than flossing or brushing, although

they are important too. . . . .the fact

that it does pull disease-causing bacteria and viruses from the mouth has

far-reaching health consequences. These germs are constantly seeping into the

bloodstream and cause a lot of health problems. By removing the source of the

problem, the body is able to detox better and healing results. I go into detail

on this process in my book " Oil Pulling Therapy " and back it up with references

to literally hundreds of published studies. >Many of the early studies were

performed by Dr. Weston A. Price. His research on this >topic was incredible. "

And yes I left out the part where he said that it doesn't pull it from the blood

stream because that is the one sentence that you latched onto as your " proof " .

But what does that actually prove? Whatever you swallow eventually ends up in

your blood stream, does it not? And whatever ends up in our blood stream affects

our health.

The site also discusses the various types of oil - which ones are best for

viruses, which for bacteria, and how to deal with heavy metals. I learned a lot

here:

http://www.quantumplus.us/OilPulling.html

Dee

>

> Dee, varying the oil:water, actual emuslification, or whipping action varies

the whiteness and opacity of the liquid. It will generally go more opaque and

thicker the more the product is whipped, to whatever final consistency the ratio

of oil:water dictates. Miracle whip for example forms peaks and is entirely

opaque.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>