Guest guest Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 , maybe the interest in raw milk is slow for good reason, such as being laced with radioactivity. This will always be a problem now. <http://www.popdecay.com/2011/09/12/high-radiation-levels-found-in-us-drinking-w\ ater-milk/9537> High Radiation Levels Found in US Drinking Water, Milk September 12, 2011 by Staff Radiation from Japan has been detected in drinking water in 13 more American cities, and cesium-137 has been found in American milk—in Montpelier, Vermont—for the first time since the Japan nuclear disaster began, according to data released by the Environmental Protection Agency late Friday. Milk samples from Phoenix and Los Angeles contained iodine-131 at levels roughly equal to the maximum contaminant level permitted by EPA in drinking water, the data shows. The Phoenix sample contained 3.2 picoCuries per liter of iodine-131. The Los Angeles sample contained 2.9. The EPA maximum contaminant level is 3.0, but this is a conservative standard designed to minimize exposure over a lifetime, so EPA does not consider these levels to pose a health threat. The FDA, not the EPA, regulates milk. <http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2011/04/09/radiation-detected-in-drinki\ ng-water-in-13-more-us-cities-cesium-137-in-vermont-milk/> <http://enenews.com/cesium-in-san-francisco-bay-area-milk-close-to-exceeding-epa\ s-maximum-contaminant-level> Amount of radiation in 3 gallons of milk from Hilo, Hawaii surpasses annual maximum contaminant level set by EPA April 11, 2011 Cesium-137 levels in Vermont milk at 66% of maximum contaminant level allowed by EPA April 9, 2011 EPA posts latest radiation data: Cesium-137 in Delaware drinking water above " Maximum Contaminant Level " June 2, 2011 Cesium and iodine both at least 600% above EPA's maximum contaminant level in Hawaii milk April 11, 2011 Arkansas milk 300% above EPA's maximum contaminant level for radioactive iodine-131… 11 days ago April 10, 2011 Yum, raw milk. Ah, well, maybe it won't spoil. Duncan > > The white house has a site for petitions. There's one for legalizing raw > milk nationally, and it started off well, but has slowed WAY down. We have > about a week left to get almost 1500 more signatures. Everyone go and sign > to help keep our food freedoms! http://tinyurl.com/3o9x8fw > > > > J. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 On 2011-10-17 12:30 PM, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote: > , maybe the interest in raw milk is slow for good reason, such as > being laced with radioactivity. This will always be a problem now. > <http://www.popdecay.com/2011/09/12/high-radiation-levels-found-in-us-drinking-w\ ater-milk/9537> The on has nothing to do with the other... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 The 9/29 Northern California milk sample contained more than 160% of the EPA's Maximum Contaminant Level. 0.181 Bq/L of radioactive cesium (4.9 picocuries per liter) <http://www.myweathertech.com/2011/09/29/cesium-levels-nearly-double-in-northern\ -california-milk/> > > > > The white house has a site for petitions. There's one for legalizing raw > > milk nationally, and it started off well, but has slowed WAY down. We have > > about a week left to get almost 1500 more signatures. Everyone go and sign > > to help keep our food freedoms! http://tinyurl.com/3o9x8fw > > > > > > > > J. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 Fukushima radiation taints US milk supplies at levels 2000 percent higher than EPA maximums http://www.naturalnews.com/032048_radiation_milk.html It's a good backgrounder; this stuff except for the radioiodine is still in the environment and in your system if you drank milk. As naturalnews.com points out, there is no safe level of radiation from nuclear fallout. all good, Duncan > > The 9/29 Northern California milk sample contained more than 160% of the EPA's Maximum Contaminant Level. 0.181 Bq/L of radioactive cesium (4.9 picocuries per liter) > <http://www.myweathertech.com/2011/09/29/cesium-levels-nearly-double-in-northern\ -california-milk/> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 Now you only need 1431... And Duncan, if there is radioactivity from Japan in the milk, then its everywhere. Prepare for our human made Armageddon..... ________________________________ From: <@...> ; RawDairy ; Alternative_Medicine_Forum@...; Army_of_Lifesavers ; Coconut Oil ; FatForHealth Sent: Mon, October 17, 2011 11:41:53 AM Subject: Raw Milk Petition The white house has a site for petitions. There's one for legalizing raw milk nationally, and it started off well, but has slowed WAY down. We have about a week left to get almost 1500 more signatures. Everyone go and sign to help keep our food freedoms! http://tinyurl.com/3o9x8fw J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 , speaking for myself, I'd be reluctant to champion a raw, radioactive food product. Same goes for the supposition of organic foods being clean. If the food is radioactive it doesn't matter much whether its raw or organic, I'm not having it. all good, Duncan > > , maybe the interest in raw milk is slow for good reason, such as > > being laced with radioactivity. This will always be a problem now. > > <http://www.popdecay.com/2011/09/12/high-radiation-levels-found-in-us-drinking-w\ ater-milk/9537> > > The on has nothing to do with the other... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 On 2011-10-18 12:37 PM, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote: > , speaking for myself, I'd be reluctant to champion a raw, > radioactive food product. Same goes for the supposition of organic foods > being clean. If the food is radioactive it doesn't matter much whether > its raw or organic, I'm not having it. I agree, but my point was, whether the milk is raw or not is irrelevant - it will *all* be contaminated... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Duncan, If the radioactivity from Japan has blanketed North America, by now it is everywhere and there is no food, plant or animal, including us, that hasn't been contaminated. So what are you eating? ________________________________ From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Tue, October 18, 2011 12:37:00 PM Subject: Re: Raw Milk Petition , speaking for myself, I'd be reluctant to champion a raw, radioactive food product. Same goes for the supposition of organic foods being clean. If the food is radioactive it doesn't matter much whether its raw or organic, I'm not having it. all good, Duncan > > , maybe the interest in raw milk is slow for good reason, such as > > being laced with radioactivity. This will always be a problem now. > > ><http://www.popdecay.com/2011/09/12/high-radiation-levels-found-in-us-drinking-\ water-milk/9537> > > > The on has nothing to do with the other... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 It also doesn't matter if it's raw or pasteurized. It's a completely different issue. Let's keep our issues separate. If there's radiation, and one is concerned about it, one should avoid milk all together. Signing a petition for raw milk has nothing to do with the radiation issue, as I believe T has mentioned. Let it go. --Leah > > , speaking for myself, I'd be reluctant to champion a raw, radioactive food product. Same goes for the supposition of organic foods being clean. If the food is radioactive it doesn't matter much whether its raw or organic, I'm not having it. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 I have been thinking of this for several months now. I am thankful for the aerogarden (hydropohnics) i have. I use distilled water together with the plant nutrient (don't know if it has radiation though). Maybe next time i will just hydrogen peroxide drops. Yeah, truly they make the plants grow, flower and fruit. > > , speaking for myself, I'd be reluctant to champion a raw, > > radioactive food product. Same goes for the supposition of organic foods > > being clean. If the food is radioactive it doesn't matter much whether > > its raw or organic, I'm not having it. > > I agree, but my point was, whether the milk is raw or not is irrelevant > - it will *all* be contaminated... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 , we minimise radioactive particle intake by selecting foods with less fallout on it, by washing radioactive dust off the produce with local well water or reverse osmosis from the local well water, and by eating mainly local vegetables to begin with because the fallout was considerably heavier on California than here on Vancouver Island. We source food that is less affected by the fallout but we're currently not drinking bottled or distilled water yet. Since not inhaling radioactive dust and smoke particles is probably even more important than not eating them, wearing a particle mask when I expose myself to higher dust levels such as when I pressure wash or change the air filter in the car. We take our coats off and leave them in the cloak room. We're not filtering the dust out of the air intake to the house though we probably should. We all get plenty of dust anyway because we walk a dog three times a day, but even so I figure I've reduced my exposure to radioactive dust by around 75%. Back to the thread topic, raw milk, which in many places in North America has radionuclides well in excess of the EPA limits, remains an issue. We use local cream but bought Kaizen Naturals New Zealand undenatured whey to avoid the concentration of cesium that occured in American milk. We also select more food from the southern hemisphere and consider " pre-radiation " food stores in case lots. Certain foods and supplements we know of help to reduce the radionuclide numbers that one does eat; we have kelp, zeolite, bentonite, that kind of thing. There's no getting away from this extinction-level event of rising radioactivity though so we're off to walk the trails and breathe some dust and try to live a " normal " lifespan despite that. all good, Duncan > > Duncan, > > If the radioactivity from Japan has blanketed North America, by now it is > everywhere and there is no food, plant or animal, including us, that hasn't been > contaminated. So what are you eating? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Duncan, Interestingly I watched a special on Nature last night about wolves and other animals surviving and thriving around the Chernobyl Nuclear Plant. Apparently their lifespans have not been shortened, nor have their offspring been born abnormally even with the elevated radioactivty. Birds same thing... in short many threatened species are now thriving on the land and in the forests surrounding Chernobyl even though the area is off limits to humans. Bob Re: Raw Milk Petition > , we minimise radioactive particle intake by selecting foods with > less fallout on it, by washing radioactive dust off the produce with local > well water or reverse osmosis from the local well water, and by eating > mainly local vegetables to begin with because the fallout was considerably > heavier on California than here on Vancouver Island. We source food that > is less affected by the fallout but we're currently not drinking bottled > or distilled water yet. > > Since not inhaling radioactive dust and smoke particles is probably even > more important than not eating them, wearing a particle mask when I expose > myself to higher dust levels such as when I pressure wash or change the > air filter in the car. We take our coats off and leave them in the cloak > room. We're not filtering the dust out of the air intake to the house > though we probably should. We all get plenty of dust anyway because we > walk a dog three times a day, but even so I figure I've reduced my > exposure to radioactive dust by around 75%. > > Back to the thread topic, raw milk, which in many places in North America > has radionuclides well in excess of the EPA limits, remains an issue. We > use local cream but bought Kaizen Naturals New Zealand undenatured whey to > avoid the concentration of cesium that occured in American milk. We also > select more food from the southern hemisphere and consider " pre-radiation " > food stores in case lots. Certain foods and supplements we know of help to > reduce the radionuclide numbers that one does eat; we have kelp, zeolite, > bentonite, that kind of thing. > > There's no getting away from this extinction-level event of rising > radioactivity though so we're off to walk the trails and breathe some dust > and try to live a " normal " lifespan despite that. > > all good, > > Duncan > > >> >> Duncan, >> >> If the radioactivity from Japan has blanketed North America, by now it is >> everywhere and there is no food, plant or animal, including us, that >> hasn't been >> contaminated. So what are you eating? >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Bob, I saw that show too, and there are also people that have returned to that area, freely drinking the water, growing food...all healthy as can be. On Oct 20, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Bob Banever wrote: > Duncan, > > Interestingly I watched a special on Nature last night about wolves > and other animals surviving and thriving around the Chernobyl Nuclear Plant. > Apparently their lifespans have not been shortened, nor have their offspring > been born abnormally even with the elevated radioactivty. Birds same > thing... in short many threatened species are now thriving on the land and > in the forests surrounding Chernobyl even though the area is off limits to > humans. > > Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Humans who live in radioactive areas have long histories of illness, mutations, shortened lifespans and death from radiation-related illnesses, and 2/3 or 3/4 die of cancer. There are several example populations being studied around the world. Disease rates from radiation and particulate exposure are going up in Japan already and these people are being studied too. I'm happy that animals are more resistant. all good, Duncan > > Duncan, > > Interestingly I watched a special on Nature last night about wolves > and other animals surviving and thriving around the Chernobyl Nuclear Plant. > Apparently their lifespans have not been shortened, nor have their offspring > been born abnormally even with the elevated radioactivty. Birds same > thing... in short many threatened species are now thriving on the land and > in the forests surrounding Chernobyl even though the area is off limits to > humans. > > Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 You'd think the radioactive land could be bought up for a pretty low price now all good, Duncan > > > Duncan, > > > > Interestingly I watched a special on Nature last night about wolves > > and other animals surviving and thriving around the Chernobyl Nuclear Plant. > > Apparently their lifespans have not been shortened, nor have their offspring > > been born abnormally even with the elevated radioactivty. Birds same > > thing... in short many threatened species are now thriving on the land and > > in the forests surrounding Chernobyl even though the area is off limits to > > humans. > > > > Bob > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 , I missed a small segment of the show, perhaps that was the part talking about humans living there. From what I witnessed, the area was pretty much a ghost town. Bob Re: Re: Raw Milk Petition > Bob, > > I saw that show too, and there are also people that have returned to that > area, freely drinking the water, growing food...all healthy as can be. > > > > On Oct 20, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Bob Banever wrote: > >> Duncan, >> >> Interestingly I watched a special on Nature last night about wolves >> and other animals surviving and thriving around the Chernobyl Nuclear >> Plant. >> Apparently their lifespans have not been shortened, nor have their >> offspring >> been born abnormally even with the elevated radioactivty. Birds same >> thing... in short many threatened species are now thriving on the land >> and >> in the forests surrounding Chernobyl even though the area is off limits >> to >> humans. >> >> Bob > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Bob, Yes, it's pretty much a ghost town, but about 1200 people moved back there, and about 80% are women in their 70's and 80's. In addition to the wolves, there are falcons, moose, wild boar and many other species thriving in the forests around Chernobyl. The women there have said that leaving their homes was like leaving their soul behind, so they chose to return. On Oct 20, 2011, at 6:26 PM, Bob Banever wrote: > , > > I missed a small segment of the show, perhaps that was the part > talking about humans living there. From what I witnessed, the area was > pretty much a ghost town. > > Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Link to petition might be nice... laura ________________________________ From: <@...> ; Alternative_Medicine_Forum@...; Army_of_Lifesavers ; Coconut Oil ; FatForHealth Sent: Fri, October 21, 2011 1:09:15 AM Subject: Raw Milk Petition Even though we made it past the 5.000 point (congratulations, everyone!), we can't slow down now-we have to push even harder, and show that Dr. Hamburg at the FDA that we're a force to contend with. New petitions require 25,000 signatures in 30 days, and we surely don't want to get " lost in the shuffle " . Let's push for as many as we can get. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Sorry, http://tinyurl.com/3o9x8fw From: Coconut Oil [mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Cody Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 4:11 AM Coconut Oil Subject: Re: Raw Milk Petition Link to petition might be nice... laura ________________________________ From: <@... <mailto:%40AffiliateDreams.com> > <mailto: %40> ; Alternative_Medicine_Forum@... <mailto:Alternative_Medicine_Forum%40goups.com> ; Army_of_Lifesavers <mailto:Army_of_Lifesavers%40> ; Coconut Oil <mailto:Coconut Oil%40> ; FatForHealth <mailto:FatForHealth%40> Sent: Fri, October 21, 2011 1:09:15 AM Subject: Raw Milk Petition Even though we made it past the 5.000 point (congratulations, everyone!), we can't slow down now-we have to push even harder, and show that Dr. Hamburg at the FDA that we're a force to contend with. New petitions require 25,000 signatures in 30 days, and we surely don't want to get " lost in the shuffle " . Let's push for as many as we can get. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Hi Duncan: I agree.... isn't it amazing what you hear on the mainstream news? You can make just about anything sound good or bad to suite your agenda. Cheers, Jim Humans who live in radioactive areas have long histories of illness, mutations, shortened lifespans and death from radiation-related illnesses, and 2/3 or 3/4 die of cancer. There are several example populations being studied around the world. Disease rates from radiation and particulate exposure are going up in Japan already and these people are being studied too. I'm happy that animals are more resistant. all good, Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 I'm new to the group and clearly adding to this topic late but after reading everyone's responses I wanted to say I agree - if you're being honest and objective about it - radiation has nothing to do with the right to obtain and consume raw milk. It's in all milk; all water (at least in the cities where it's been tested and proven). If it's a concern, don't drink raw or pasteurised milk. As a small farmer constantly battling my rights with my milk I appreciate petitions like this one to help small farms like mine and many of my friend's operate within reasonable and fair legal restrictions - not the outrageous ones we find here in CA and many other states. I think the point of signing the petition is about your right to purchase and consume the milk - not whether or not you would - but that you have the right to choose what you and your family consume. If it were any other natural and raw food that competed with big-business-agriculture it would still be the same concept - it's your choice to use it or not. It only becomes a " right " when someone tries to take it away from you. > > It also doesn't matter if it's raw or pasteurized. It's a completely different issue. Let's keep our issues separate. If there's radiation, and one is concerned about it, one should avoid milk all together. Signing a petition for raw milk has nothing to do with the radiation issue, as I believe T has mentioned. Let it go. > > --Leah > > > > > > , speaking for myself, I'd be reluctant to champion a raw, radioactive food product. Same goes for the supposition of organic foods being clean. If the food is radioactive it doesn't matter much whether its raw or organic, I'm not having it. > > Quaking Canopy Soap Company Natural, gentle Goat Milk Soaps, Lotions and Hair Products Buy Local, Support Small Farm and Business quakingcanopy.com 775-342-9966 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Maybe my point was not well put; it would seem to be a conflict of interest selling raw milk to an unsuspecting public as a health food when it's laced with toxins. Do you test your milk for radioactivity , do you just sell it without testing it or even sell it after testing finds it to be radioactive like the Japanese do? Any mention at all from the dairy farmers of mitigating radioactivity in this health food? I think that no mention at all would be misleading, in fact a lie by omission. all good, Duncan > > I'm new to the group and clearly adding to this topic late but after reading everyone's responses I wanted to say I agree - if you're being honest and objective about it - radiation has nothing to do with the right to obtain and consume raw milk. It's in all milk; all water (at least in the cities where it's been tested and proven). If it's a concern, don't drink raw or pasteurised milk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Duncan, I would agree that milk and other dairy products should be tested for radioactivity with the results known by the public, but I don't think the testing should be limited to raw milk. Let's be fair... ALL dairy food is subject to potential radioactive fallout from Japan, thus ALL should be tested equally. Bob Re: Raw Milk Petition > Maybe my point was not well put; it would seem to be a conflict of > interest selling raw milk to an unsuspecting public as a health food when > it's laced with toxins. Do you test your milk for radioactivity , do > you just sell it without testing it or even sell it after testing finds it > to be radioactive like the Japanese do? Any mention at all from the dairy > farmers of mitigating radioactivity in this health food? I think that no > mention at all would be misleading, in fact a lie by omission. > > all good, > > Duncan > > >> >> I'm new to the group and clearly adding to this topic late but after >> reading everyone's responses I wanted to say I agree - if you're being >> honest and objective about it - radiation has nothing to do with the >> right to obtain and consume raw milk. It's in all milk; all water (at >> least in the cities where it's been tested and proven). If it's a >> concern, don't drink raw or pasteurised milk. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 My reasoning at the time was not about comparing raw milk to cooked milk, but followed an observation that since the stuff is known to be quite tainted, few people will bother to petition to make it more readily available. This response to the comment that only a few signed up so far works for me all good, Duncan > > Duncan, > > I would agree that milk and other dairy products should be tested for > radioactivity with the results known by the public, but I don't think the > testing should be limited to raw milk. Let's be fair... ALL dairy food is > subject to potential radioactive fallout from Japan, thus ALL should be > tested equally. > > Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 On 2011-10-22 2:25 PM, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote: > Maybe my point was not well put; it would seem to be a conflict of > interest selling raw milk to an unsuspecting public as a health food > when it's laced with toxins. Duncan, it wasn't about 'selling contaminated raw milk', it ws a petition to force the federal government to pass a law preventing States from outlawing the sale of raw milk. PERIOD. Whether or not the milk is contaminated by radiation is an entirely separate matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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