Re: Unfair to Swansons herbs

[Guest guest]

Yes...I agree, it would be unfair if I had said they are the only company that

does things this way.

I am merely sharing my limited experience and my research with this particular

company's products.   I am sure in the past I too have ordered from them as I

have taken vitamins and supplements most of my life.  The thing is, the longer

we journey on this path seeking wellness and health, we become more attuned to

subtle differences.   Fillers are something I personally have decided I do not

want to have in my supplements, if I have that option.   I seek greater

purity.  A product - no matter whose it is, that has 6 additives that do not

help me become more healthy seem (imho) to just be taking up

unnecessary space and diluting potency.    I also do not put much stock in the

FDA

looking out for our welfare.   I look at the things they have allowed and then

had to recall (pharmaceuticals that have killed many).   I see that much of our

food is polluted with unnecessary chemicals - especially foods that children

like to eat.   The FDA still allows aspartame while it is banned in Europe.  

What does that tell you?    I see that Whole Foods said they were selling

frozen veggies from China...3rd and 4th party 'certified organic'...(the veggies

were tested and found to contain pesticides...duh!).   The business climate in

our country is corrupt.   The thing is, you almost have to know the person at

the top to know their level of integrity.  Often this is made more difficult

due to the many layers of management that isolate and insulate the person at the

top. 

d

From: skpounds14 <skpounds14@...>

Subject: Re: Swansons herbs = fillers....was: Protandim

Coconut Oil

Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 12:00 PM

 

I think its unfair to single out only Swanson's products. Many other

brands by Major companies have lots of fillers in them too. One great thing

about Swanson is they have a Money Back Guarantee on all products. As far as

Swanson own brand products, I'm sure they are out-sourced to Major

manufacturers, just like Vitaminshoppe does. Each company must oversee and

ensure the quality of their products, which I feel confident Swanson's does.

Swanson's 7-Leaf Guarantee

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> >

> > Dee,

> > Sorry for any confusion: the label says Green Foods formulas at the top...

> > then below it says broken cell wall chlorella - our best greens fromula

> > it is tablets according to the

> > label before me now...360 count and 500 mg...

> > d>

[Guest guest]

Don - I agree with most of what you say. After years of shopping, I would say

MOST companies products contain fillers & additives. Just have to check each

product before buying it, and like groceries the order of fillers listed is by

weight (most first, least last). I think there's probably a good reason for some

fillers in tablets, don't know about capsules.

To take up a bit for Swanson's, here's 3 of their branded products and

additives. Not too bad.

Biotin - (Rice Flour, gelatin)

Quercetin & Bromelain - (Rice Flour, gelatin)

Vitamin E Mixed Tocopherols - (Soybean Oil, gelatin, glycerin, purified water)

>

> Yes...I agree, it would be unfair if I had said they are the only company that

does things this way.

> I am merely sharing my limited experience and my research with this particular

company's products.   I am sure in the past I too have ordered from them as I

have taken vitamins and supplements most of my life.  The thing is, the longer

we journey on this path seeking wellness and health, we become more attuned to

subtle differences.  Fillers are something I personally have decided I do not

want to have in my supplements, if I have that option. I seek greater purity.

product - no matter whose it is, that has 6 additives that do not help me become

more healthy seem (imho) to just be taking up

> unnecessary space and diluting potency. I also do not put much stock in the

FDA looking out for our welfare. I look at the things they have allowed and then

had to recall (pharmaceuticals that have killed many). I see that much of our

food is polluted with unnecessary chemicals - especially foods that children

like to eat. The FDA still allows aspartame while it is banned in Europe. What

does that tell you?  I see that Whole Foods said they were selling frozen

veggies from China...3rd and 4th party 'certified organic'...(the veggies were

tested and found to contain pesticides...duh!).  The business climate in our

country is corrupt. The thing is, you almost have to know the person at the top

to know their level of integrity.  Often this is made more difficult due to the

many layers of management that isolate and insulate the person at the top. 

> d

[Guest guest]

I think the tablets have to have some type of " tabletizing agent " added, or

otherwise they wouldn't stay together, they would just fall apart into

powder/crumbs.

I also might want to point out that if a person is a vegetarian, they would not

take a capsule made from gelatin, as gelatin is made from horse/cow hooves, or a

byproduct of their skin/bones.

Carol

>

> Don - I agree with most of what you say. After years of shopping, I would say

MOST companies products contain fillers & additives. Just have to check each

product before buying it, and like groceries the order of fillers listed is by

weight (most first, least last). I think there's probably a good reason for some

fillers in tablets, don't know about capsules.

>

> To take up a bit for Swanson's, here's 3 of their branded products and

additives. Not too bad.

>

> Biotin - (Rice Flour, gelatin)

> Quercetin & Bromelain - (Rice Flour, gelatin)

> Vitamin E Mixed Tocopherols - (Soybean Oil, gelatin, glycerin, purified water)

>

>

[Guest guest]

On 2011-03-12 11:26 AM, algaelady1 wrote:

> I also might want to point out that if a person is a vegetarian, they

> would not take a capsule made from gelatin, as gelatin is made from

> horse/cow hooves, or a byproduct of their skin/bones.

If a person is a vegetarian, they have much bigger health problems than

worrying about a little gelatin in a gelatin capsule.

[Guest guest]

I agree. The first thing I tell vegetarian and especially vegan clients is the

biological danger their belief system imposes. Second thing I tell them is that

I and many health professionals won't treat vegans or " other unconsciously

motivated death-wishers " to quote Dr. Bob Beck.

all good,

Duncan

> > I also might want to point out that if a person is a vegetarian, they

> > would not take a capsule made from gelatin, as gelatin is made from

> > horse/cow hooves, or a byproduct of their skin/bones.

>

> If a person is a vegetarian, they have much bigger health problems than

> worrying about a little gelatin in a gelatin capsule.

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting comment. How many years does it take for " bigger health problems "

to show up once you become a vegetarian?

Carol

> If a person is a vegetarian, they have much bigger health problems than

worrying about a little gelatin in a gelatin capsule.

>

[Guest guest]

Heh...

Here we go...

Chuck

All of us should treasure his ( Dillinger) Oriental wisdom and

his preaching of a Zen-like detachment, as exemplified by his constant

reminder to clerks, tellers, or others who grew excited by his

presence in their banks: " Just lie down on the floor and keep calm. "

On 3/12/2011 6:03:06 PM, algaelady1 (carol@...) wrote:

> Interesting comment. How many years does it take for

> " bigger health problems " to show up once you become a vegetarian?

>

> Carol

>

>

>

> > If a person is a vegetarian, they have much bigger health problems

> than worrying about a little gelatin in a gelatin capsule.

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was wondering the same thing Carol. I was thinking of Dr. Johanna Budwig who

was a vegetarian and through her potocol healed over a 1,000 cancer and other

patients with a vegetarian diet; and by the way, she died at 92.

Regards,

Craig

>

> > If a person is a vegetarian, they have much bigger health problems than

worrying about a little gelatin in a gelatin capsule.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

On 2011-03-12 6:03 PM, algaelady1 wrote:

> Interesting comment. How many years does it take for " bigger health

> problems " to show up once you become a vegetarian?

Obviously it differs from person to person, and depends on the quality

of the vegetarian diet, and how said person defines vegetarian (ie, do

they eat fish? eggs? etc)...

But in general, anywhere from a year to 5 or even 10 years...

[Guest guest]

On 2011-03-12 9:36 PM, crgstef wrote:

> I was wondering the same thing Carol. I was thinking of Dr. Johanna

> Budwig who was a vegetarian and through her potocol healed over a 1,000

> cancer and other patients with a vegetarian diet; and by the way, she

> died at 92.

There are exceptions to every rule, but...

The main dietary changes that probably had the largest positive effect

for people following her protocol was simply the elimination of

refined/processed junk food, especially sugar and margarines... just

that one thing will have a dramatic impact on most people who do it.

And who among us knows precisely what her daily diet consisted of,

and/or how long she was a 'practicing' vegetarian? From the pictures

I've seen, she was overweight and did not look very healthy, and it is a

well known fact that someone with a very healthy genetic makeup can do

all kinds of harmful things and not notice the effects much,m but over 2

or 3 generations, the damage is done...

[Guest guest]

On Mar 13, 2011, at 8:06 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:

>

>

> The main dietary changes that probably had the largest positive effect

> for people following her protocol was simply the elimination of

> refined/processed junk food, especially sugar and margarines... just

> that one thing will have a dramatic impact on most people who do it.

Very true....vegetarianism in and of itself does not equate to

health. I have a strict vegan friend who got breast cancer in her

20's and is overweight and absolutely the opposite of healthy in

almost every way. Clearly, many lifestyle choices come into play. She

looks at me like I have 3 heads as I am eating butter, cream, eggs,

grass-fed beef, and yet I am vibrantly healthy. She says I'm just

" lucky " , you know " good genes " and all that. Nope, sorry.

[Guest guest]

And, because undenatured whey has shrunk cancer on its own in a high-animal

protein approach, and cod-liver oil has done it witth pretty much normal dosing,

one does not need to be a vegetarian to clear or prevent cancer.

So the first premise falls.

all good,

Duncan

> > I was wondering the same thing Carol. I was thinking of Dr. Johanna

> > Budwig who was a vegetarian and through her potocol healed over a 1,000

> > cancer and other patients with a vegetarian diet; and by the way, she

> > died at 92.

>

> There are exceptions to every rule, but...

>

> The main dietary changes that probably had the largest positive effect

> for people following her protocol was simply the elimination of

> refined/processed junk food, especially sugar and margarines... just

> that one thing will have a dramatic impact on most people who do it.

>

> And who among us knows precisely what her daily diet consisted of,

> and/or how long she was a 'practicing' vegetarian? From the pictures

> I've seen, she was overweight and did not look very healthy, and it is a

> well known fact that someone with a very healthy genetic makeup can do

> all kinds of harmful things and not notice the effects much,m but over 2

> or 3 generations, the damage is done...

>

[Guest guest]

Of course you can be an unhealthy vegetarian. I worked with a girl who ate a

pickle/mustard sandwich for lunch every day on white bread. She thought she was

doing her body good. Some vegetarians also consume cakes, pies, donuts, and

pastries, etc. They just have no clue. A vegetarian who eats healthy

fruits/veggies/beans/grains will be healthy and thrive. I know many.

Carol

> Very true....vegetarianism in and of itself does not equate to

> health. I have a strict vegan friend who got breast cancer in her

> 20's and is overweight and absolutely the opposite of healthy in

> almost every way. Clearly, many lifestyle choices come into play. She > looks

at me like I have 3 heads as I am eating butter, cream, eggs, > grass-fed beef,

and yet I am vibrantly healthy. She says I'm just > " lucky " , you know " good

genes " and all that. Nope, sorry.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Using mankinds worst examples is unproductive except to prove a conceptual point

that people kill themselves by not attending to diet. Of course some people can

get worse than we thought but that's not the point, is it?

Indications are that MOST vegans have emaciated muscles under that fat.

So because veganism is tricky for omnivores, even to people who have studied it,

I gave a book on healthy vegan diet last year to a young fella who was

attempting veganism. It was as much a service to his family as to him, as they

will bear the brunt of having a sickly individual in the family.

The book tells you how to supplement to overcome the shortfalls and

psychological and real traps of veganism. How did the vegan author do? He is one

of the few vegans worldwide to win any physical events, so his book and its

recipes may be noteworthy.

all good,

all good,

Duncan

>

> Of course you can be an unhealthy vegetarian. I worked with a girl who ate a

pickle/mustard sandwich for lunch every day on white bread. She thought she was

doing her body good. Some vegetarians also consume cakes, pies, donuts, and

pastries, etc. They just have no clue. A vegetarian who eats healthy

fruits/veggies/beans/grains will be healthy and thrive. I know many.

>

> Carol

>