Re: Best Stabilized Rice Bran

[Guest guest]

I'm getting Stabilized Rice that is processed to human food standards at the

local feed store.

all good,

Duncan

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> I don't recall if this was covered recently - if so, my apologies, but...

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> Anyone got any good recommendations for high quality dirt cheap

> stabilized rice bran?

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[Guest guest]

Duncan,

 

    Do you concern possible high arsenic levels esp. if it was made from

China or GMO

 

http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Research/Rice-bran-contains-high-arsenic-lev\

els-study/?c=jOTwGb2UJ04RTxttAbi5VQ%3D%3D

From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Subject: Re: Best Stabilized Rice Bran

Coconut Oil

Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 3:21 PM

 

I'm getting Stabilized Rice that is processed to human food standards at the

local feed store.

all good,

Duncan

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> I don't recall if this was covered recently - if so, my apologies, but...

>

> Anyone got any good recommendations for high quality dirt cheap

> stabilized rice bran?

>

[Guest guest]

Helen, by the look of the article you'd avoid rice bran especially from the USA,

not China, which has lower allowances for arsenic than the USA. Much lower.

The article's title might say rice bran but the story is primarily reporting

arsenic levels in concentrated rice bran solubles. Big difference.

The article points out that, " ...Currently, China is the only country to have

modern levels of how much arsenic is permitted in food, and has set the limit at

0.15mg of inorganic arsenic per kg of food " , so China is far ahead of the US in

this respect.

The SRB we're investigating is primarily from the USA, so we have to be extra

diligent with regard to arsenic as well as GMO. US rice is also in the spotlight

off and on for GMO cross-contamination.

Arsenic is very prevalent in the ground water in North America. People who read

health columns will know that selenium is the antidote for arsenic, and many of

us use selenium and undenatured whey, which will eliminate arsenic and other

metals from the body.

all good,

Duncan

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> > I don't recall if this was covered recently - if so, my apologies, but...

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> > stabilized rice bran?

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[Guest guest]

I just realised there were arsenic figures for the bran there too. Those amounts

per dose are pretty low; the siolubles dose is just 30 grams and a bran serving

is about 60 grams, while a kilo is 1000 grams. That makes the absolute amount of

arsenic per serving or dose to be quite low. Of course there are variances.

all good,

Duncan

[Guest guest]

Does your BSRB indicate country of origin?  how can you tell it is not GMO?  I

figure horse feed so cheap must be made from questionable sources? 

From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Subject: Re: Best Stabilized Rice Bran

Coconut Oil

Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 11:06 AM

 

I just realised there were arsenic figures for the bran there too. Those amounts

per dose are pretty low; the siolubles dose is just 30 grams and a bran serving

is about 60 grams, while a kilo is 1000 grams. That makes the absolute amount of

arsenic per serving or dose to be quite low. Of course there are variances.

all good,

Duncan

[Guest guest]

Yup I found a couple of products, named near the beginning of the discussion

last week, that are grown and milled in the USA where no GMO rice has been

approved to date, and the US government seeks to maintain its non-GMO status on

rice so it can continue to export non-GMO rice.

Yes you can also get cheap horse feed from questionable sources but we're more

interested in the stabilised rice bran that is produced to human food standards.

As such, this discussion has been more about the " best " than the " questionable "

products. I think these discussed will be in the pack of the " best " horse feed,

but availability and shipping cost will come into play in selecting the absolute

winner for a specific market or region.

all good,

Duncan

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> From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

> Subject: Re: Best Stabilized Rice Bran

> Coconut Oil

> Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 11:06 AM

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> I just realised there were arsenic figures for the bran there too. Those

amounts per dose are pretty low; the siolubles dose is just 30 grams and a bran

serving is about 60 grams, while a kilo is 1000 grams. That makes the absolute

amount of arsenic per serving or dose to be quite low. Of course there are

variances.

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> Duncan

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[Guest guest]

What brand you brought.  Can I get in US?  interested.

om> wrote:

From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Subject: Re: Best Stabilized Rice Bran

Coconut Oil

Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 11:06 AM

 

I just realised there were arsenic figures for the bran there too. Those amounts

per dose are pretty low; the siolubles dose is just 30 grams and a bran serving

is about 60 grams, while a kilo is 1000 grams. That makes the absolute amount of

arsenic per serving or dose to be quite low. Of course there are variances.

all good,

Duncan

[Guest guest]

Healthy Glow, and

Custom Fit

....are two stabilised rice bran horse feeds that are processed to human

standards. There are probably several others. I checked into the Custom Fit and

it's available locally so that's my plan.

all good,

Duncan

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> From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

> Subject: Re: Best Stabilized Rice Bran

> Coconut Oil

> Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 11:06 AM

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> I just realised there were arsenic figures for the bran there too. Those

amounts per dose are pretty low; the siolubles dose is just 30 grams and a bran

serving is about 60 grams, while a kilo is 1000 grams. That makes the absolute

amount of arsenic per serving or dose to be quite low. Of course there are

variances.

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> Duncan

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[Guest guest]

Several SRBs that used the keyword " human " in the description come up in this

Gooogle query:

http://tinyurl.com/SRB-search

You have to determine if the the source and processing meet your needs.

HEALTHY GLO contains ground flax, which may or may not be of interest.

I asked the local feed store which SRB they had in powder (also comes pelletized

and granular) and looked it up.

all good,

Duncan

[Guest guest]

Here's a brief on rice bran, nutritional value, properties, who grows it etc.,

references included, from the USDA's stash:

><http://ddr.nal.usda.gov/bitstream/10113/33504/1/IND44258787.pdf>

This one's worth saving. Not sure of the year, 2008?

all good,

Duncan

[Guest guest]

So have we come to any conclusion yet about what sources are best, either

human or horse, and do we know for sure yet which horse brands are same as

human?

This has turned into an incredible boon for both of us, just using the

Max-E-Glo from Tractor Supply, but I want to know if there's better out

there or not and whether I will truly get a better human grade product or

just pay more money.

I mailed some to all my kids who will have no problem taking it since it

hasn't killed Mom and Dad yet. And I've vacuum packed the rest of my bag of

it.

DB

[Guest guest]

Hi DB; I'm getting a sack of Custom Fit rice bran tomorrow or Tuesday, and I'm

also dividing it up among family. Many companies promote human grade SRB, and it

seems they all seem to use the extrusion process. I think if I'm happy with a

locally-sold product I won't buy the sacks elsewhere and triple the freight

cost.

all good,

Duncan

>

> So have we come to any conclusion yet about what sources are best, either

> human or horse, and do we know for sure yet which horse brands are same as

> human?

>

> This has turned into an incredible boon for both of us, just using the

> Max-E-Glo from Tractor Supply, but I want to know if there's better out

> there or not and whether I will truly get a better human grade product or

> just pay more money.

>

> I mailed some to all my kids who will have no problem taking it since it

> hasn't killed Mom and Dad yet. And I've vacuum packed the rest of my bag of

> it.

>

> DB

>

[Guest guest]

>Hi DB; I'm getting a sack of Custom Fit rice bran...<

Hey Duncan-

As I look over the analysis of that product compared to the one I bought,

the single biggest difference is that yours has 4% FFA compared to .72% FFA

for the Max-E-Glo that I bought. That difference is made up with a higher

level of crude fat and ash in mine, especially ash. I'm sure I don't need

the ash.

Can you comment about the relative usefulness of the crude fat and Free

Fatty Acids?

DB

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that DB;

Free fatty acids are rancid and bitter; you will probably prefer the fiber

The crude fat is rich in the tocopherol and tocotrienol family of antioxidants,

and the phytosterols.

If you don't need that much bran you can buy " solubles " such as Risotriene,

which has most of the fiber removed. Just possibly you could do a hot water

extraction yourself and filter out the bran; there would be waste of course but

you'd keep soluble nutrients and some of the oil.

As an aside, when olive oil is much over 1% FFA you can just taste it in a

comparison with a better olive oil that is only .5%. I'd prefer a 1% FFA

concentration to 4% in my bran, and I think I should be able to smell and taste

4% FFA; it might even reek. We have 2 other local feed stores so I can check

their brands before I buy, and since 4% FFA is the legal limit, Custom Fit at 4%

is lower on my list (unless the FFA figure is a MAX figure and the company just

is not analysing what they have per-batch).

all good,

Duncan

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> >Hi DB; I'm getting a sack of Custom Fit rice bran...<

>

> Hey Duncan-

>

> As I look over the analysis of that product compared to the one I bought,

> the single biggest difference is that yours has 4% FFA compared to .72% FFA

> for the Max-E-Glo that I bought. That difference is made up with a higher

> level of crude fat and ash in mine, especially ash. I'm sure I don't need

> the ash.

>

> Can you comment about the relative usefulness of the crude fat and Free

> Fatty Acids?

>

> DB

>

[Guest guest]

On 2011-02-26 7:32 AM, ransley@... wrote:

> So have we come to any conclusion yet about what sources are best, either

> human or horse, and do we know for sure yet which horse brands are same as

> human?

Looks like Custom Fit is best so far, the others I've looked at

(including Max-E-Glo) have added flax, that I want to avoid...

But, it also has added calcium carbonate, which I'd also like to avoid...

Its looking like buying from a feed store may not be ideal, but

definitely an option for anyone who is cash strapped...

[Guest guest]

Duncan-

If I'm reading you right, it sounds like you're saying that I hit on a

pretty good product at first swing.

You're giving me some good ideas about extraction. What about a warm oil

extraction, and what oil would you suggest, I'm of course assuming VCO but

what about using RBO?

DB

Thanks for that DB;

Free fatty acids are rancid and bitter; you will probably prefer the fiber

The crude fat is rich in the tocopherol and tocotrienol family of

antioxidants, and the phytosterols.

If you don't need that much bran you can buy " solubles " such as Risotriene,

which has most of the fiber removed. Just possibly you could do a hot water

extraction yourself and filter out the bran; there would be waste of course

but you'd keep soluble nutrients and some of the oil.

As an aside, when olive oil is much over 1% FFA you can just taste it in a

comparison with a better olive oil that is only .5%. I'd prefer a 1% FFA

concentration to 4% in my bran, and I think I should be able to smell and

taste 4% FFA; it might even reek. We have 2 other local feed stores so I can

check their brands before I buy, and since 4% FFA is the legal limit, Custom

Fit at 4% is lower on my list (unless the FFA figure is a MAX figure and the

company just is not analysing what they have per-batch).

all good,

Duncan

[Guest guest]

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Max-E-Glo has 3 versions; the one with the blue bag that is " Meal " is

straight RBO. Yeah, the calcium carbonate is a disappointment but most of

that passes through anyway, I think. In any case magnesium bicarbonate will

clean it right out of your body and I add a small amount of mag bicarb to

all our drinking water now.

DB

>Looks like Custom Fit is best so far, the others I've looked at

(including Max-E-Glo) have added flax, that I want to avoid...

But, it also has added calcium carbonate, which I'd also like to avoid...

Its looking like buying from a feed store may not be ideal, but

definitely an option for anyone who is cash strapped...<

[Guest guest]

DB:

With regard to water-based nutrient extraction, yup, I think the keyword

" solubles " that the companies use explains much, and you could catch the

solubles with a drip coffemaker in small batches.

With regard to oil-based nutrient extraction, solvents are used and then

evaporated; they are fairly specific and it seems the thinner solvents pick up

more than the thicker ones. I don't think VCO will work very well at picking up

the much lighter plant oils, but its thin components might. As a guess, MCT oil

would be better than VCO. With the longer chains removed it is much thinner, and

the MCT oils are noted to be the healthiest fraction of coocnut oil anyway so

would be a good choice of solvent if they get out enough oil-solubles.

Acetic acid, a 2-carbon fatty acid, would probably pick up the oils; most likely

shaking or blending the SRB with warm distilled pickling vinegar (7% acetic

acid) and lecithin will produce a white emulsified liquid with most of the

nutrients in it. Filtering and neutralising the liquid with potassium hydroxide

would leave you with emulsified water and oil solubles.

all good,

Duncan

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> Duncan-

>

> If I'm reading you right, it sounds like you're saying that I hit on a

> pretty good product at first swing.

>

> You're giving me some good ideas about extraction. What about a warm oil

> extraction, and what oil would you suggest, I'm of course assuming VCO but

> what about using RBO?

>

> DB

>

>

>

> Thanks for that DB;

>

> Free fatty acids are rancid and bitter; you will probably prefer the fiber

> The crude fat is rich in the tocopherol and tocotrienol family of

> antioxidants, and the phytosterols.

>

> If you don't need that much bran you can buy " solubles " such as Risotriene,

> which has most of the fiber removed. Just possibly you could do a hot water

> extraction yourself and filter out the bran; there would be waste of course

> but you'd keep soluble nutrients and some of the oil.

>

> As an aside, when olive oil is much over 1% FFA you can just taste it in a

> comparison with a better olive oil that is only .5%. I'd prefer a 1% FFA

> concentration to 4% in my bran, and I think I should be able to smell and

> taste 4% FFA; it might even reek. We have 2 other local feed stores so I can

> check their brands before I buy, and since 4% FFA is the legal limit, Custom

> Fit at 4% is lower on my list (unless the FFA figure is a MAX figure and the

> company just is not analysing what they have per-batch).

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>