Re: Swansons herbs = fillers....was: Protandim

[Guest guest]

Well IMHO, Swansons herbs are not anything I would purchase...or take if they

were given to me...the thing is an herbal product is only as good as the company

producing it and their own corporate culture of more or less integrity.   The

real battle is about what they can legally put on the  label.     There are

many different grades of herbs: commercial grade which is very cheap (= low

quality) and the source of many of these nicely priced herbal preparations in

places like CVS and Costco...

I have a good client that gets alot of herbal stuff from Swanson...

I got his empty bottles and reviewed them for him...

lots of nasty fillers, binders and such in them...

From the label of swanson green foods formula:

" Other ingredients:

calcium carbonate

microcrystalline cellulose ( when I searched this one it said finely ground wood

chips)

aka: plant fiber

stearic acid

magnesium stearate

croscarmellose sodium,

food glaze.

Are these good?...are they necessary?...I am of the opinion that they are not

good health inducing or helpful to anyone but swanson...

d

From: Lyn K <godisbest4me@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Protandim

Coconut Oil

Date: Thursday, March 10, 2011, 9:14 AM

 

I checked this out and if you buy strictly Swanson's brands, there are two

buy

one/get one sales on these herbs going on right now, so that helps quite a bit

with the price. It is only a few dollars more, otherwise, when it is all tallied

up.

I don't like dealing with MLM's either, even if the product might be good. I had

a bad experience with one that firmly established how I feel about MLMs. My

resulting assessment is that they are just wrong, wrong, wrong in the way their

businesses are set up. No consumer should have to pay up to 7 people in a

downline big bucks to make a purchase.

________________________________

From: Byron <byron.jacobson@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 9:02:06 AM

Subject: Re: Protandim

DEE, I would challenge you on that one.. there is no way you could buy those

herbs for $9 a month even if it was floor sweepings. Get real and try adding it

up even if you bought the poorest bulk product you can find it will be alot more

than $9 a month for one ingredient.

No I dont sell it but after adding it up its not a bad deal I just dont like

dealing with MLM's.

>

> Hi Helen,

>

> The ingredients in Protandim are the following:

>

> • Milk Thistle – Supports liver health.

> & #8232;• Turmeric – Provides a healthy response to inflammation.

> • Green Tea – Increaces metabolism, burns fat. & #8232;

> • Bacopa – Increases SOD and catalse production. & #8232;

> • Ashwagandha – Used for centuries in India for numerous applications.

>

> The ingredients are all good. I take them all. If you buy Protandim, however,

>you will be paying $40 to $50 per month, while you can purchase the same

>ingredients for a total of only $9 per month (Swanson's). Also, I'm pretty sure

>you will get more of the ingredients by taking them separately, rather than the

>amount that would fit into one capsule of Protandim. A quick check reveals that

>Protandim is being sold by MLM (multi-level marketing) distributors:

> http://matthewneer.com/mlm/protandimreview/

>

> Not my favorite way of purchasing supplements.

>

> All the Best,

> Dee

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Don,

I have Swanson's Green Foods Formulas Green Max Powder right in front of me and

there are NONE of the ingredients you claim are in it. Absolutely None. And here

is the complete list on their website:

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWR009/ItemDetail?n=0

Dee

>

> Well IMHO, Swansons herbs are not anything I would purchase...or take if they

were given to me...the thing is an herbal product is only as good as the company

producing it and their own corporate culture of more or less integrity.   The

real battle is about what they can legally put on the  label.     There are

many different grades of herbs: commercial grade which is very cheap (= low

quality) and the source of many of these nicely priced herbal preparations in

places like CVS and Costco...

> I have a good client that gets alot of herbal stuff from Swanson...

> I got his empty bottles and reviewed them for him...

> lots of nasty fillers, binders and such in them...

> From the label of swanson green foods formula:

> " Other ingredients:

> calcium carbonate

> microcrystalline cellulose ( when I searched this one it said finely ground

wood chips)

> aka: plant fiber

> stearic acid

> magnesium stearate

> croscarmellose sodium,

> food glaze.

>

> Are these good?...are they necessary?...I am of the opinion that they are not

good health inducing or helpful to anyone but swanson...

> d

>

[Guest guest]

The herbalists in my area absolutely swear by herb quality over quantity and

cost. They all use the Nature's Sunshine product line, much to the chagrin of

the local health shops. No doubt top-quality competition exists but it is not

coming from Swanson's or the other vitamin producers.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Well IMHO, Swansons herbs are not anything I would purchase...or take if they

were given to me...the thing is an herbal product is only as good as the company

producing it and their own corporate culture of more or less integrity.

[Guest guest]

Don

Thank you for your review. I have been questioning the quality of Swanson for

all the two years I have purchased from them. I know that their Signature Skin

pill stopped my hair loss. But I am not in the market to spend $25/mo to keep my

hair from falling out. So maybe their Signature Line is the line to buy. But

other than that, in the last year, I have phased out buying supplements from

them. I have just gone to buying certain things from them, like oils,

toothpaste, and food and a few other things related to these these. Although, I

was now considering trying herbs, which I had not tried before. But now I

hesitate to do that.

How do you research products and ingredients to find the true quality? I am very

surprised that you could find what exactly the microcrystalline cellulose is

made of. What are some good sources for researching these things?

________________________________

From: Don <hooty304@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 4:54:25 PM

Subject: Re: Swansons herbs = fillers....was: Protandim

Well IMHO, Swansons herbs are not anything I would purchase...or take if they

were given to me...the thing is an herbal product is only as good as the company

producing it and their own corporate culture of more or less integrity. The

real battle is about what they can legally put on the label. There are many

different grades of herbs: commercial grade which is very cheap (= low quality)

and the source of many of these nicely priced herbal preparations in places like

CVS and Costco...

I have a good client that gets alot of herbal stuff from Swanson...

I got his empty bottles and reviewed them for him...

lots of nasty fillers, binders and such in them...

From the label of swanson green foods formula:

" Other ingredients:

calcium carbonate

microcrystalline cellulose ( when I searched this one it said finely ground wood

chips)

aka: plant fiber

stearic acid

magnesium stearate

croscarmellose sodium,

food glaze.

Are these good?...are they necessary?...I am of the opinion that they are not

good health inducing or helpful to anyone but swanson...

d

From: Lyn K <godisbest4me@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Protandim

Coconut Oil

Date: Thursday, March 10, 2011, 9:14 AM

I checked this out and if you buy strictly Swanson's brands, there are two buy

one/get one sales on these herbs going on right now, so that helps quite a bit

with the price. It is only a few dollars more, otherwise, when it is all tallied

up.

I don't like dealing with MLM's either, even if the product might be good. I had

a bad experience with one that firmly established how I feel about MLMs. My

resulting assessment is that they are just wrong, wrong, wrong in the way their

businesses are set up. No consumer should have to pay up to 7 people in a

downline big bucks to make a purchase.

________________________________

From: Byron <byron.jacobson@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 9:02:06 AM

Subject: Re: Protandim

DEE, I would challenge you on that one.. there is no way you could buy those

herbs for $9 a month even if it was floor sweepings. Get real and try adding it

up even if you bought the poorest bulk product you can find it will be alot more

than $9 a month for one ingredient.

No I dont sell it but after adding it up its not a bad deal I just dont like

dealing with MLM's.

>

> Hi Helen,

>

> The ingredients in Protandim are the following:

>

> • Milk Thistle – Supports liver health.

> & #8232;• Turmeric – Provides a healthy response to inflammation.

> • Green Tea – Increaces metabolism, burns fat. & #8232;

> • Bacopa – Increases SOD and catalse production. & #8232;

> • Ashwagandha – Used for centuries in India for numerous applications.

>

> The ingredients are all good. I take them all. If you buy Protandim, however,

>you will be paying $40 to $50 per month, while you can purchase the same

>ingredients for a total of only $9 per month (Swanson's). Also, I'm pretty sure

>you will get more of the ingredients by taking them separately, rather than the

>amount that would fit into one capsule of Protandim. A quick check reveals that

>Protandim is being sold by MLM (multi-level marketing) distributors:

> http://matthewneer.com/mlm/protandimreview/

>

> Not my favorite way of purchasing supplements.

>

> All the Best,

> Dee

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well it is here on their website: 

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWR006/ItemDetail?n=0

I just read it...

broken cell wall chlorella

= 'our best greens formula'

and every thing i said was there - is there...

d

From: Dolores <dgk@...>

Subject: Re: Swansons herbs = fillers....was: Protandim

Coconut Oil

Date: Thursday, March 10, 2011, 5:31 PM

 

Don,

I have Swanson's Green Foods Formulas Green Max Powder right in front of me and

there are NONE of the ingredients you claim are in it. Absolutely None. And here

is the complete list on their website:

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWR009/ItemDetail?n=0

Dee

>

> Well IMHO, Swansons herbs are not anything I would purchase...or take if they

were given to me...the thing is an herbal product is only as good as the company

producing it and their own corporate culture of more or less integrity.  

The real battle is about what they can legally put on the 

label.     There are many different grades of herbs: commercial

grade which is very cheap (= low quality) and the source of many of these nicely

priced herbal preparations in places like CVS and Costco...

> I have a good client that gets alot of herbal stuff from Swanson...

> I got his empty bottles and reviewed them for him...

> lots of nasty fillers, binders and such in them...

> From the label of swanson green foods formula:

> " Other ingredients:

> calcium carbonate

> microcrystalline cellulose ( when I searched this one it said finely ground

wood chips)

> aka: plant fiber

> stearic acid

> magnesium stearate

> croscarmellose sodium,

> food glaze.

>

> Are these good?...are they necessary?...I am of the opinion that they are not

good health inducing or helpful to anyone but swanson...

> d

>

[Guest guest]

I have it on good referral from one of their top distributors...

that Nature's sunshine has bitten into the bread of compromised integrity for

their herbs...

and last year switched away from them to the company I use...

d

From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Subject: Re: Swansons herbs = fillers....was: Protandim

Coconut Oil

Date: Thursday, March 10, 2011, 5:32 PM

 

The herbalists in my area absolutely swear by herb quality over quantity

and cost. They all use the Nature's Sunshine product line, much to the chagrin

of the local health shops. No doubt top-quality competition exists but it is not

coming from Swanson's or the other vitamin producers.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Well IMHO, Swansons herbs are not anything I would purchase...or take if they

were given to me...the thing is an herbal product is only as good as the company

producing it and their own corporate culture of more or less integrity.

[Guest guest]

Protandim has the same fillers:

http://www.protandim.com/all-natural-ingredients/

" Additional ingredients: Calcium, Croscarmellose sodium, magnesium stearate,

microcrystalline cellulose, modified cellulose, silica, stearic acid. "

>

> From: Lyn K <godisbest4me@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: Protandim

> Coconut Oil

> Date: Thursday, March 10, 2011, 9:14 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>  

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I checked this out and if you buy strictly Swanson's brands, there are

two buy

>

> one/get one sales on these herbs going on right now, so that helps quite a bit

>

> with the price. It is only a few dollars more, otherwise, when it is all

tallied

>

> up.

>

>

>

> I don't like dealing with MLM's either, even if the product might be good. I

had

>

> a bad experience with one that firmly established how I feel about MLMs. My

>

> resulting assessment is that they are just wrong, wrong, wrong in the way

their

>

> businesses are set up. No consumer should have to pay up to 7 people in a

>

> downline big bucks to make a purchase.

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> From: Byron <byron.jacobson@...>

>

> Coconut Oil

>

> Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 9:02:06 AM

>

> Subject: Re: Protandim

>

>

>

> DEE, I would challenge you on that one.. there is no way you could buy those

>

> herbs for $9 a month even if it was floor sweepings. Get real and try adding

it

>

> up even if you bought the poorest bulk product you can find it will be alot

more

>

> than $9 a month for one ingredient.

>

> No I dont sell it but after adding it up its not a bad deal I just dont like

>

> dealing with MLM's.

>

> >

>

> > Hi Helen,

>

> >

>

> > The ingredients in Protandim are the following:

>

> >

>

> > • Milk Thistle †" Supports liver health.

>

> > & #8232;• Turmeric †" Provides a healthy response to inflammation.

>

> > • Green Tea †" Increaces metabolism, burns fat. & #8232;

>

> > • Bacopa †" Increases SOD and catalse production. & #8232;

>

> > • Ashwagandha †" Used for centuries in India for numerous applications.

>

> >

>

> > The ingredients are all good. I take them all. If you buy Protandim,

however,

>

> >you will be paying $40 to $50 per month, while you can purchase the same

>

> >ingredients for a total of only $9 per month (Swanson's). Also, I'm pretty

sure

>

> >you will get more of the ingredients by taking them separately, rather than

the

>

> >amount that would fit into one capsule of Protandim. A quick check reveals

that

>

> >Protandim is being sold by MLM (multi-level marketing) distributors:

>

> > http://matthewneer.com/mlm/protandimreview/

>

> >

>

> > Not my favorite way of purchasing supplements.

>

> >

>

> > All the Best,

>

> > Dee

>

> > >

>

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lyn,

I just used google to search it...

and read a number of the responses I got...

d

From: Lyn K <godisbest4me@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Protandim

Coconut Oil

Date: Thursday, March 10, 2011, 9:14 AM

I checked this out and if you buy strictly Swanson's brands, there are two buy

one/get one sales on these herbs going on right now, so that helps quite a bit

with the price. It is only a few dollars more, otherwise, when it is all tallied

up.

I don't like dealing with MLM's either, even if the product might be good. I had

a bad experience with one that firmly established how I feel about MLMs. My

resulting assessment is that they are just wrong, wrong, wrong in the way their

businesses are set up. No consumer should have to pay up to 7 people in a

downline big bucks to make a purchase.

________________________________

From: Byron <byron.jacobson@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 9:02:06 AM

Subject: Re: Protandim

DEE, I would challenge you on that one.. there is no way you could buy those

herbs for $9 a month even if it was floor sweepings. Get real and try adding it

up even if you bought the poorest bulk product you can find it will be alot more

than $9 a month for one ingredient.

No I dont sell it but after adding it up its not a bad deal I just dont like

dealing with MLM's.

>

> Hi Helen,

>

> The ingredients in Protandim are the following:

>

> • Milk Thistle – Supports liver health.

> & #8232;• Turmeric – Provides a healthy response to inflammation.

> • Green Tea – Increaces metabolism, burns fat. & #8232;

> • Bacopa – Increases SOD and catalse production. & #8232;

> • Ashwagandha – Used for centuries in India for numerous applications.

>

> The ingredients are all good. I take them all. If you buy Protandim, however,

>you will be paying $40 to $50 per month, while you can purchase the same

>ingredients for a total of only $9 per month (Swanson's). Also, I'm pretty sure

>you will get more of the ingredients by taking them separately, rather than the

>amount that would fit into one capsule of Protandim. A quick check reveals that

>Protandim is being sold by MLM (multi-level marketing) distributors:

> http://matthewneer.com/mlm/protandimreview/

>

> Not my favorite way of purchasing supplements.

>

> All the Best,

> Dee

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Don,

You specifically mentioned the Green Foods Formula, not the broken cell wall

chlorella. The chlorella is in capsule form and most capsules do have additives.

So if you can find the ingredients in Prostandim without these additives please

let us know. And it is entirely possible that Prostandim has them as well, but

I can't vouch for that.

Dee

>

snip

>

> > lots of nasty fillers, binders and such in them...

>

> > From the label of swanson green foods formula:

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

I suspected as much.

Best,

Dee

>

> Protandim has the same fillers:

>

> http://www.protandim.com/all-natural-ingredients/

>

> " Additional ingredients: Calcium, Croscarmellose sodium, magnesium stearate,

microcrystalline cellulose, modified cellulose, silica, stearic acid. "

[Guest guest]

Dee,

Sorry for any confusion: the label says Green Foods formulas at the top...

then below it says broken cell wall chlorella - our best greens fromula

it is tablets according to the

label before me now...360 count and 500 mg...

d

From: Dolores <dgk@...>

Subject: Re: Swansons herbs = fillers....was: Protandim

Coconut Oil

Date: Thursday, March 10, 2011, 6:37 PM

 

Don,

You specifically mentioned the Green Foods Formula, not the broken cell wall

chlorella. The chlorella is in capsule form and most capsules do have additives.

So if you can find the ingredients in Prostandim without these additives please

let us know. And it is entirely possible that Prostandim has them as well, but

I can't vouch for that.

Dee

>

snip

>

> > lots of nasty fillers, binders and such in them...

>

> > From the label of swanson green foods formula:

[Guest guest]

Does anyone know how harmful those fillers are?  When comes to supplements

regardless Swansons, iherbs and other companies, most have fillers unless trash

the supplements and go for quality foods.   Then the question is do we get

all what our body needs from foods? 

From: Dolores <dgk@...>

Subject: Re: Swansons herbs = fillers....was: Protandim

Coconut Oil

Date: Thursday, March 10, 2011, 6:37 PM

 

Don,

You specifically mentioned the Green Foods Formula, not the broken cell wall

chlorella. The chlorella is in capsule form and most capsules do have additives.

So if you can find the ingredients in Prostandim without these additives please

let us know. And it is entirely possible that Prostandim has them as well, but I

can't vouch for that.

Dee

>

snip

>

> > lots of nasty fillers, binders and such in them...

>

> > From the label of swanson green foods formula:

[Guest guest]

Helen, most of the additives and fillers are actually healthy when they are not

inert. I'd be more careful with the preservatives.

You can clip each one into a google search to find out what they do.

all good,

Duncan

>

> >

>

> snip

>

> >

>

> > > lots of nasty fillers, binders and such in them...

>

> >

>

> > > From the label of swanson green foods formula:

>

>

[Guest guest]

yes...you need to search out each one...

Magnesium stearate is one that I had heard is not so good...it is controversial

to some.

I researched it and decided I would not like it...

it is an additive that seems to make the powder put in herbal capsules flow

better thru the machinery...and has saturated fat in it...

the point is why?...

why not take half as many capsules per day if they were full of just herb?...

when there are 6 additives...I am left to wonder why?...and wonder who benefits

from these...   I decide I wish to spend my nutrition dollar on high quality

herbs...

it seems to me that they are fluffing up the powder to seem more than it is and

all I want is undiluted herb...everyone is free to make their own choices...

I also prefer tinctures as they have a better and more complete impact on my

system as they bypass the 'gut' where up to 70% of the vitamin / supplement /

herbal capsule is lost...

d ~ certified herbal tincture specialist

From: Dolores <dgk@...>

Subject: Re: Swansons herbs = fillers....was: Protandim

Coconut Oil

Date: Thursday, March 10, 2011, 6:37 PM

 

Don,

You specifically mentioned the Green Foods Formula, not the broken cell wall

chlorella. The chlorella is in capsule form and most capsules do have additives.

So if you can find the ingredients in Prostandim without these additives please

let us know. And it is entirely possible that Prostandim has them as well, but I

can't vouch for that.

Dee

>

snip

>

> > lots of nasty fillers, binders and such in them...

>

> > From the label of swanson green foods formula:

[Guest guest]

I have always read the ingredients before purchasing any supplement and

I buy a lot from Swanson after going through many other suppliers over

the past thirty years. To buy a dietary supplement and not read and

research the labels, when necessary, boarders on insanity to my way of

thinking.

Regards,

Jim

>Don,

I have Swanson's Green Foods Formulas Green Max Powder right in front of

me and there are NONE of the ingredients you claim are in it. Absolutely

None. And here is the complete list on their website:

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWR009/ItemDetail?n=0

<http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWR009/ItemDetail?n=0>

Dee<

[Guest guest]

Dear Lyn,

What exactly stopped your hair from falling out. What is the product called?

Thank You,

Margo

On Mar 10, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Lyn K wrote:

> Don

>

> Thank you for your review. I have been questioning the quality of Swanson for

> all the two years I have purchased from them. I know that their Signature Skin

> pill stopped my hair loss. But I am not in the market to spend $25/mo to keep

my

> hair from falling out. So maybe their Signature Line is the line to buy. But

> other than that, in the last year, I have phased out buying supplements from

> them. I have just gone to buying certain things from them, like oils,

> toothpaste, and food and a few other things related to these these. Although,

I

> was now considering trying herbs, which I had not tried before. But now I

> hesitate to do that.

>

> How do you research products and ingredients to find the true quality? I am

very

> surprised that you could find what exactly the microcrystalline cellulose is

> made of. What are some good sources for researching these things?

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Don <hooty304@...>

> Coconut Oil

> Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 4:54:25 PM

> Subject: Re: Swansons herbs = fillers....was:

Protandim

>

>

> Well IMHO, Swansons herbs are not anything I would purchase...or take if they

> were given to me...the thing is an herbal product is only as good as the

company

> producing it and their own corporate culture of more or less integrity. The

> real battle is about what they can legally put on the label. There are

many

> different grades of herbs: commercial grade which is very cheap (= low

quality)

> and the source of many of these nicely priced herbal preparations in places

like

> CVS and Costco...

> I have a good client that gets alot of herbal stuff from Swanson...

> I got his empty bottles and reviewed them for him...

> lots of nasty fillers, binders and such in them...

> From the label of swanson green foods formula:

> " Other ingredients:

> calcium carbonate

> microcrystalline cellulose ( when I searched this one it said finely ground

wood

> chips)

> aka: plant fiber

> stearic acid

> magnesium stearate

> croscarmellose sodium,

> food glaze.

>

> Are these good?...are they necessary?...I am of the opinion that they are not

> good health inducing or helpful to anyone but swanson...

> d

>

>

>

> From: Lyn K <godisbest4me@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: Protandim

> Coconut Oil

> Date: Thursday, March 10, 2011, 9:14 AM

>

>

>

> I checked this out and if you buy strictly Swanson's brands, there are two buy

>

> one/get one sales on these herbs going on right now, so that helps quite a bit

>

> with the price. It is only a few dollars more, otherwise, when it is all

tallied

>

>

> up.

>

> I don't like dealing with MLM's either, even if the product might be good. I

had

>

>

> a bad experience with one that firmly established how I feel about MLMs. My

>

> resulting assessment is that they are just wrong, wrong, wrong in the way

their

>

> businesses are set up. No consumer should have to pay up to 7 people in a

>

> downline big bucks to make a purchase.

>

> ________________________________

>

> From: Byron <byron.jacobson@...>

>

> Coconut Oil

>

> Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 9:02:06 AM

>

> Subject: Re: Protandim

>

> DEE, I would challenge you on that one.. there is no way you could buy those

>

> herbs for $9 a month even if it was floor sweepings. Get real and try adding

it

>

> up even if you bought the poorest bulk product you can find it will be alot

more

>

>

> than $9 a month for one ingredient.

>

> No I dont sell it but after adding it up its not a bad deal I just dont like

>

> dealing with MLM's.

>

>>

>

>> Hi Helen,

>

>>

>

>> The ingredients in Protandim are the following:

>

>>

>

>> • Milk Thistle – Supports liver health.

>

>> & #8232;• Turmeric – Provides a healthy response to inflammation.

>

>> • Green Tea – Increaces metabolism, burns fat. & #8232;

>

>> • Bacopa – Increases SOD and catalse production. & #8232;

>

>> • Ashwagandha – Used for centuries in India for numerous applications.

>

>>

>

>> The ingredients are all good. I take them all. If you buy Protandim, however,

>

>> you will be paying $40 to $50 per month, while you can purchase the same

>

>> ingredients for a total of only $9 per month (Swanson's). Also, I'm pretty

sure

>

>

>> you will get more of the ingredients by taking them separately, rather than

the

>

>

>> amount that would fit into one capsule of Protandim. A quick check reveals

that

>

>

>> Protandim is being sold by MLM (multi-level marketing) distributors:

>

>> http://matthewneer.com/mlm/protandimreview/

>

>>

>

>> Not my favorite way of purchasing supplements.

>

>>

>

>> All the Best,

>

>> Dee

>

>>>

>

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Go on Swansonvitamins.com and just look for Swanson's Signature Line of products

and then narrow it down to The Skin Pill. The Signature Line all come in blue

bottles with blue labels. Don't bother with any of Swanson's other skin pill,

that is in a green bottle.

________________________________

From: Margarita Koufopoulos <margomix@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:18:49 PM

Subject: Re: Swansons herbs = fillers....was: Protandim

Dear Lyn,

What exactly stopped your hair from falling out. What is the product called?

Thank You,

Margo

On Mar 10, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Lyn K wrote:

> Don

>

> Thank you for your review. I have been questioning the quality of Swanson for

> all the two years I have purchased from them. I know that their Signature Skin

> pill stopped my hair loss. But I am not in the market to spend $25/mo to keep

>my

>

> hair from falling out. So maybe their Signature Line is the line to buy. But

> other than that, in the last year, I have phased out buying supplements from

> them. I have just gone to buying certain things from them, like oils,

> toothpaste, and food and a few other things related to these these. Although,

>I

>

> was now considering trying herbs, which I had not tried before. But now I

> hesitate to do that.

>

> How do you research products and ingredients to find the true quality? I am

>very

>

> surprised that you could find what exactly the microcrystalline cellulose is

> made of. What are some good sources for researching these things?

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Don <hooty304@...>

> Coconut Oil

> Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 4:54:25 PM

> Subject: Re: Swansons herbs = fillers....was:

>Protandim

>

>

> Well IMHO, Swansons herbs are not anything I would purchase...or take if they

> were given to me...the thing is an herbal product is only as good as the

>company

>

> producing it and their own corporate culture of more or less integrity. The

> real battle is about what they can legally put on the label. There are

>many

>

> different grades of herbs: commercial grade which is very cheap (= low

quality)

>

> and the source of many of these nicely priced herbal preparations in places

>like

>

> CVS and Costco...

> I have a good client that gets alot of herbal stuff from Swanson...

> I got his empty bottles and reviewed them for him...

> lots of nasty fillers, binders and such in them...

> From the label of swanson green foods formula:

> " Other ingredients:

> calcium carbonate

> microcrystalline cellulose ( when I searched this one it said finely ground

>wood

>

> chips)

> aka: plant fiber

> stearic acid

> magnesium stearate

> croscarmellose sodium,

> food glaze.

>

> Are these good?...are they necessary?...I am of the opinion that they are not

> good health inducing or helpful to anyone but swanson...

> d

>

>

>

> From: Lyn K <godisbest4me@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: Protandim

> Coconut Oil

> Date: Thursday, March 10, 2011, 9:14 AM

>

>

>

> I checked this out and if you buy strictly Swanson's brands, there are two buy

>

> one/get one sales on these herbs going on right now, so that helps quite a bit

>

> with the price. It is only a few dollars more, otherwise, when it is all

>tallied

>

>

>

> up.

>

> I don't like dealing with MLM's either, even if the product might be good. I

>had

>

>

>

> a bad experience with one that firmly established how I feel about MLMs. My

>

> resulting assessment is that they are just wrong, wrong, wrong in the way

their

>

>

> businesses are set up. No consumer should have to pay up to 7 people in a

>

> downline big bucks to make a purchase.

>

> ________________________________

>

> From: Byron <byron.jacobson@...>

>

> Coconut Oil

>

> Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 9:02:06 AM

>

> Subject: Re: Protandim

>

> DEE, I would challenge you on that one.. there is no way you could buy those

>

> herbs for $9 a month even if it was floor sweepings. Get real and try adding

it

>

>

> up even if you bought the poorest bulk product you can find it will be alot

>more

>

>

>

> than $9 a month for one ingredient.

>

> No I dont sell it but after adding it up its not a bad deal I just dont like

>

> dealing with MLM's.

>

>>

>

>> Hi Helen,

>

>>

>

>> The ingredients in Protandim are the following:

>

>>

>

>> • Milk Thistle – Supports liver health.

>

>> 
• Turmeric – Provides a healthy response to inflammation.

>

>> • Green Tea – Increaces metabolism, burns fat.


>

>> • Bacopa – Increases SOD and catalse production.


>

>> • Ashwagandha – Used for centuries in India for numerous applications.

>

>>

>

>> The ingredients are all good. I take them all. If you buy Protandim, however,

>

>> you will be paying $40 to $50 per month, while you can purchase the same

>

>> ingredients for a total of only $9 per month (Swanson's). Also, I'm pretty

sure

>>

>

>

>> you will get more of the ingredients by taking them separately, rather than

the

>>

>

>

>> amount that would fit into one capsule of Protandim. A quick check reveals

that

>>

>

>

>> Protandim is being sold by MLM (multi-level marketing) distributors:

>

>> http://matthewneer.com/mlm/protandimreview/

>

>>

>

>> Not my favorite way of purchasing supplements.

>

>>

>

>> All the Best,

>

>> Dee

>

>>>

>

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That's ok Don. I can see how that would be confusing. The Green Max Powder is

really good though. It's made from all natural ingredients and no fillers. You

might want to recommend that one to your friend. It's easily mixed in apple

sauce (my favorite), V-8, or smoothies. I wish him well.

Dee

>

> Dee,

> Sorry for any confusion: the label says Green Foods formulas at the top...

> then below it says broken cell wall chlorella - our best greens fromula

> it is tablets according to the

> label before me now...360 count and 500 mg...

> d>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Lyn!

On Mar 10, 2011, at 11:28 PM, Lyn K wrote:

> Go on Swansonvitamins.com and just look for Swanson's Signature Line of

products

> and then narrow it down to The Skin Pill. The Signature Line all come in blue

> bottles with blue labels. Don't bother with any of Swanson's other skin pill,

> that is in a green bottle.

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Margarita Koufopoulos <margomix@...>

> Coconut Oil

> Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:18:49 PM

> Subject: Re: Swansons herbs = fillers....was:

Protandim

>

> Dear Lyn,

>

> What exactly stopped your hair from falling out. What is the product called?

>

> Thank You,

>

> Margo

>

> On Mar 10, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Lyn K wrote:

>

>> Don

>>

>> Thank you for your review. I have been questioning the quality of Swanson for

>> all the two years I have purchased from them. I know that their Signature

Skin

>

>> pill stopped my hair loss. But I am not in the market to spend $25/mo to keep

>> my

>>

>> hair from falling out. So maybe their Signature Line is the line to buy. But

>> other than that, in the last year, I have phased out buying supplements from

>> them. I have just gone to buying certain things from them, like oils,

>> toothpaste, and food and a few other things related to these these.

Although,

>> I

>>

>> was now considering trying herbs, which I had not tried before. But now I

>> hesitate to do that.

>>

>> How do you research products and ingredients to find the true quality? I am

>> very

>>

>> surprised that you could find what exactly the microcrystalline cellulose is

>> made of. What are some good sources for researching these things?

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> ________________________________

>> From: Don <hooty304@...>

>> Coconut Oil

>> Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 4:54:25 PM

>> Subject: Re: Swansons herbs = fillers....was:

>> Protandim

>>

>>

>> Well IMHO, Swansons herbs are not anything I would purchase...or take if they

>> were given to me...the thing is an herbal product is only as good as the

>> company

>>

>> producing it and their own corporate culture of more or less integrity. The

>> real battle is about what they can legally put on the label. There are

>> many

>>

>> different grades of herbs: commercial grade which is very cheap (= low

quality)

>>

>> and the source of many of these nicely priced herbal preparations in places

>> like

>>

>> CVS and Costco...

>> I have a good client that gets alot of herbal stuff from Swanson...

>> I got his empty bottles and reviewed them for him...

>> lots of nasty fillers, binders and such in them...

>> From the label of swanson green foods formula:

>> " Other ingredients:

>> calcium carbonate

>> microcrystalline cellulose ( when I searched this one it said finely ground

>> wood

>>

>> chips)

>> aka: plant fiber

>> stearic acid

>> magnesium stearate

>> croscarmellose sodium,

>> food glaze.

>>

>> Are these good?...are they necessary?...I am of the opinion that they are not

>> good health inducing or helpful to anyone but swanson...

>> d

>>

>>

>>

>> From: Lyn K <godisbest4me@...>

>> Subject: Re: Re: Protandim

>> Coconut Oil

>> Date: Thursday, March 10, 2011, 9:14 AM

>>

>>

>>

>> I checked this out and if you buy strictly Swanson's brands, there are two

buy

>

>>

>> one/get one sales on these herbs going on right now, so that helps quite a

bit

>

>>

>> with the price. It is only a few dollars more, otherwise, when it is all

>> tallied

>>

>>

>>

>> up.

>>

>> I don't like dealing with MLM's either, even if the product might be good. I

>> had

>>

>>

>>

>> a bad experience with one that firmly established how I feel about MLMs. My

>>

>> resulting assessment is that they are just wrong, wrong, wrong in the way

their

>>

>>

>> businesses are set up. No consumer should have to pay up to 7 people in a

>>

>> downline big bucks to make a purchase.

>>

>> ________________________________

>>

>> From: Byron <byron.jacobson@...>

>>

>> Coconut Oil

>>

>> Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 9:02:06 AM

>>

>> Subject: Re: Protandim

>>

>> DEE, I would challenge you on that one.. there is no way you could buy those

>>

>> herbs for $9 a month even if it was floor sweepings. Get real and try adding

it

>>

>>

>> up even if you bought the poorest bulk product you can find it will be alot

>> more

>>

>>

>>

>> than $9 a month for one ingredient.

>>

>> No I dont sell it but after adding it up its not a bad deal I just dont like

>>

>> dealing with MLM's.

>>

>>>

>>

>>> Hi Helen,

>>

>>>

>>

>>> The ingredients in Protandim are the following:

>>

>>>

>>

>>> • Milk Thistle – Supports liver health.

>>

>>>

> • Turmeric – Provides a healthy response to inflammation.

>>

>>> • Green Tea – Increaces metabolism, burns fat.

>

>>

>>> • Bacopa – Increases SOD and catalse production.

>

>>

>>> • Ashwagandha – Used for centuries in India for numerous applications.

>>

>>>

>>

>>> The ingredients are all good. I take them all. If you buy Protandim,

however,

>

>>

>>> you will be paying $40 to $50 per month, while you can purchase the same

>>

>>> ingredients for a total of only $9 per month (Swanson's). Also, I'm pretty

sure

>>>

>>

>>

>>> you will get more of the ingredients by taking them separately, rather than

the

>>>

>>

>>

>>> amount that would fit into one capsule of Protandim. A quick check reveals

that

>>>

>>

>>

>>> Protandim is being sold by MLM (multi-level marketing) distributors:

>>

>>> http://matthewneer.com/mlm/protandimreview/

>>

>>>

>>

>>> Not my favorite way of purchasing supplements.

>>

>>>

>>

>>> All the Best,

>>

>>> Dee

>>

>>>>

>>

>>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

You might want to look into something else, too. Since I could not continue with

the Skin Pill because of the price, I stopped using it a year ago. I used it for

three months and it stopped my hair loss in the first week, that is how good it

was for me. But the price was formidable and I had to stop.

So, needless to say, my hair started falling out again. But I have started to do

something now and surprisingly it has made it stop falling out again. I will

share that with you. It is called The Sal-C Protocol. You can type Salt-C into

the youtube site and find videos about this. Then if you are even more curious

about this, I can give you more information. You can email me again.

________________________________

From: Margarita Koufopoulos <margomix@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:31:09 PM

Subject: Re: Swansons herbs = fillers....was: Protandim

Thank you Lyn!

On Mar 10, 2011, at 11:28 PM, Lyn K wrote:

> Go on Swansonvitamins.com and just look for Swanson's Signature Line of

>products

>

> and then narrow it down to The Skin Pill. The Signature Line all come in blue

> bottles with blue labels. Don't bother with any of Swanson's other skin pill,

> that is in a green bottle.

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Margarita Koufopoulos <margomix@...>

> Coconut Oil

> Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:18:49 PM

> Subject: Re: Swansons herbs = fillers....was:

>Protandim

>

> Dear Lyn,

>

> What exactly stopped your hair from falling out. What is the product called?

>

> Thank You,

>

> Margo

>

> On Mar 10, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Lyn K wrote:

>

>> Don

>>

>> Thank you for your review. I have been questioning the quality of Swanson for

>> all the two years I have purchased from them. I know that their Signature

Skin

>

>

>> pill stopped my hair loss. But I am not in the market to spend $25/mo to keep

>> my

>>

>> hair from falling out. So maybe their Signature Line is the line to buy. But

>> other than that, in the last year, I have phased out buying supplements from

>> them. I have just gone to buying certain things from them, like oils,

>> toothpaste, and food and a few other things related to these these.

Although,

>

>> I

>>

>> was now considering trying herbs, which I had not tried before. But now I

>> hesitate to do that.

>>

>> How do you research products and ingredients to find the true quality? I am

>> very

>>

>> surprised that you could find what exactly the microcrystalline cellulose is

>> made of. What are some good sources for researching these things?

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> ________________________________

>> From: Don <hooty304@...>

>> Coconut Oil

>> Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 4:54:25 PM

>> Subject: Re: Swansons herbs = fillers....was:

>> Protandim

>>

>>

>> Well IMHO, Swansons herbs are not anything I would purchase...or take if they

>> were given to me...the thing is an herbal product is only as good as the

>> company

>>

>> producing it and their own corporate culture of more or less integrity. The

>> real battle is about what they can legally put on the label. There are

>> many

>>

>> different grades of herbs: commercial grade which is very cheap (= low

quality)

>>

>>

>> and the source of many of these nicely priced herbal preparations in places

>> like

>>

>> CVS and Costco...

>> I have a good client that gets alot of herbal stuff from Swanson...

>> I got his empty bottles and reviewed them for him...

>> lots of nasty fillers, binders and such in them...

>> From the label of swanson green foods formula:

>> " Other ingredients:

>> calcium carbonate

>> microcrystalline cellulose ( when I searched this one it said finely ground

>> wood

>>

>> chips)

>> aka: plant fiber

>> stearic acid

>> magnesium stearate

>> croscarmellose sodium,

>> food glaze.

>>

>> Are these good?...are they necessary?...I am of the opinion that they are not

>> good health inducing or helpful to anyone but swanson...

>> d

>>

>>

>>

>> From: Lyn K <godisbest4me@...>

>> Subject: Re: Re: Protandim

>> Coconut Oil

>> Date: Thursday, March 10, 2011, 9:14 AM

>>

>>

>>

>> I checked this out and if you buy strictly Swanson's brands, there are two

buy

>

>

>>

>> one/get one sales on these herbs going on right now, so that helps quite a

bit

>

>

>>

>> with the price. It is only a few dollars more, otherwise, when it is all

>> tallied

>>

>>

>>

>> up.

>>

>> I don't like dealing with MLM's either, even if the product might be good. I

>> had

>>

>>

>>

>> a bad experience with one that firmly established how I feel about MLMs. My

>>

>> resulting assessment is that they are just wrong, wrong, wrong in the way

their

>>

>>

>>

>> businesses are set up. No consumer should have to pay up to 7 people in a

>>

>> downline big bucks to make a purchase.

>>

>> ________________________________

>>

>> From: Byron <byron.jacobson@...>

>>

>> Coconut Oil

>>

>> Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 9:02:06 AM

>>

>> Subject: Re: Protandim

>>

>> DEE, I would challenge you on that one.. there is no way you could buy those

>>

>> herbs for $9 a month even if it was floor sweepings. Get real and try adding

it

>>

>>

>>

>> up even if you bought the poorest bulk product you can find it will be alot

>> more

>>

>>

>>

>> than $9 a month for one ingredient.

>>

>> No I dont sell it but after adding it up its not a bad deal I just dont like

>>

>> dealing with MLM's.

>>

>>>

>>

>>> Hi Helen,

>>

>>>

>>

>>> The ingredients in Protandim are the following:

>>

>>>

>>

>>> • Milk Thistle – Supports liver health.

>>

>>>

> • Turmeric – Provides a healthy response to inflammation.

>>

>>> • Green Tea – Increaces metabolism, burns fat.

>

>>

>>> • Bacopa – Increases SOD and catalse production.

>

>>

>>> • Ashwagandha – Used for centuries in India for numerous applications.

>>

>>>

>>

>>> The ingredients are all good. I take them all. If you buy Protandim,

however,

>

>

>>

>>> you will be paying $40 to $50 per month, while you can purchase the same

>>

>>> ingredients for a total of only $9 per month (Swanson's). Also, I'm pretty

sure

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>> you will get more of the ingredients by taking them separately, rather than

the

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>> amount that would fit into one capsule of Protandim. A quick check reveals

that

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>> Protandim is being sold by MLM (multi-level marketing) distributors:

>>

>>> http://matthewneer.com/mlm/protandimreview/

>>

>>>

>>

>>> Not my favorite way of purchasing supplements.

>>

>>>

>>

>>> All the Best,

>>

>>> Dee

>>

>>>>

>>

>>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Lyn, low potassium with high salt is one of the causes of a wasting disorder

called rhabdomyolysis, which a couple of people were running into. The main side

effect besides high-energy tissue such as muscle and brain wasting, is sudden

death due to heart attack. Luckily, nobody died.

So, a little precaution. I hope you use extra potassium to balance your

electrolytes while using high salt.

all good,

Duncan

> >>

> >> From: Lyn K <godisbest4me@...>

> >> Subject: Re: Re: Protandim

> >> Coconut Oil

> >> Date: Thursday, March 10, 2011, 9:14 AM

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> I checked this out and if you buy strictly Swanson's brands, there are two

buy

> >

> >

> >>

> >> one/get one sales on these herbs going on right now, so that helps quite a

bit

> >

> >

> >>

> >> with the price. It is only a few dollars more, otherwise, when it is all

> >> tallied

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> up.

> >>

> >> I don't like dealing with MLM's either, even if the product might be good.

I

> >> had

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> a bad experience with one that firmly established how I feel about MLMs. My

> >>

> >> resulting assessment is that they are just wrong, wrong, wrong in the way

their

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> businesses are set up. No consumer should have to pay up to 7 people in a

> >>

> >> downline big bucks to make a purchase.

> >>

> >> ________________________________

> >>

> >> From: Byron <byron.jacobson@...>

> >>

> >> Coconut Oil

> >>

> >> Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 9:02:06 AM

> >>

> >> Subject: Re: Protandim

> >>

> >> DEE, I would challenge you on that one.. there is no way you could buy

those

> >>

> >> herbs for $9 a month even if it was floor sweepings. Get real and try

adding it

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> up even if you bought the poorest bulk product you can find it will be alot

> >> more

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> than $9 a month for one ingredient.

> >>

> >> No I dont sell it but after adding it up its not a bad deal I just dont

like

> >>

> >> dealing with MLM's.

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>> Hi Helen,

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>> The ingredients in Protandim are the following:

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>> • Milk Thistle †" Supports liver health.

> >>

> >>>

> > • Turmeric †" Provides a healthy response to inflammation.

> >>

> >>> • Green Tea †" Increaces metabolism, burns fat.

> >

> >>

> >>> • Bacopa †" Increases SOD and catalse production.

> >

> >>

> >>> • Ashwagandha †" Used for centuries in India for numerous applications.

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>> The ingredients are all good. I take them all. If you buy Protandim,

however,

> >

> >

> >>

> >>> you will be paying $40 to $50 per month, while you can purchase the same

> >>

> >>> ingredients for a total of only $9 per month (Swanson's). Also, I'm pretty

sure

> >>>

> >>>

> >>

> >>

> >>> you will get more of the ingredients by taking them separately, rather

than the

> >>>

> >>>

> >>

> >>

> >>> amount that would fit into one capsule of Protandim. A quick check reveals

that

> >>>

> >>>

> >>

> >>

> >>> Protandim is being sold by MLM (multi-level marketing) distributors:

> >>

> >>> http://matthewneer.com/mlm/protandimreview/

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>> Not my favorite way of purchasing supplements.

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>> All the Best,

> >>

> >>> Dee

> >>

> >>>>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

I’m not any sort of expert but my dh worked in the manufacturing part of a

relatively large supplement company. He did everything from the lowest job on

the totem pole to some management. Now he works for a small business that

bottles supplements. There is a difference in the quality of supplements. A

lot has to do with testing to make sure that adequate amounts of each supplement

are actually in the product. When a vitamin or herb is encapsulated, there

often does have to be something to help with flow. It doesn’t necessarily

mean that the product isn’t a good one just because of a flow ingredient. On

the other hand, an herb or vitamin isn’t going to be much good if it’s

mainly filler. There is certification (can’t remember the name of it right

now) that if a company has this – it means they really are turning out a good

quality product. The company dh works for now (and the one before) have this

and it’s not easy to get. Anyway, often it is true that you get what you pay

for. Certain ingredients are really expensive and if a product claims to have

them but are selling for really cheap, you have to wonder how much of that

ingredient is actually in it. Jen

[Guest guest]

one good thing is they carry the cheapest willard water in the country

mike

[Guest guest]

Ignoring that Stearate is a healthy fat found in our bodies, I suspect

I get more saturated fat from eating one chicken wing than I get from

several weeks worth of supplements containing Magnesium Stearate.

Alobar

On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Don <hooty304@...> wrote:

> yes...you need to search out each one...

> Magnesium stearate is one that I had heard is not so good...it is

controversial to some.

> I researched it and decided I would not like it...

> it is an additive that seems to make the powder put in herbal capsules flow

better thru the machinery...and has saturated fat in it...

> the point is why?...

> why not take half as many capsules per day if they were full of just herb?...

> when there are 6 additives...I am left to wonder why?...and wonder who

benefits from these...   I decide I wish to spend my nutrition dollar on high

quality herbs...

> it seems to me that they are fluffing up the powder to seem more than it is

and all I want is undiluted herb...everyone is free to make their own choices...

> I also prefer tinctures as they have a better and more complete impact on my

system as they bypass the 'gut' where up to 70% of the vitamin / supplement /

herbal capsule is lost...

> d ~ certified herbal tincture specialist

>

[Guest guest]

I saw that in a search once. What is Willard Water?

________________________________

From: michaelinde <michaelinde@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Fri, March 11, 2011 5:57:43 AM

Subject: Re: Swansons herbs = fillers....was: Protandim

one good thing is they carry the cheapest willard water in the country

mike